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Meet Pac Mayne, one of San Antonio’s hardest-working and most authentic voices in hip-hop. In this video, we dive into his story — from his early days on the Southwest side to making a name for himself in Texas’ underground rap scene. Pac Mayne talks about his journey, the grind, and what it means to represent the city of San Antonio through his music.
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so this is the third coast podcast episode one it's your boy q san antonio we got my boy pac-man in the building how you doing brother what up what up though i'm doing all right represents paranoid records so paranoid records all day every day no records yeah keep another blind so i just want to say bro first and foremost i've been a fan of your music uh just started this year bro i ain't gonna lie i ain't gonna sound like i've been jamming to you i've been knowing who you was for a minute uh just because I've been around the music scene and stuff in San Antonio. I'm familiar with Paranoid Records, but it's just a few months ago, I think it was where I hung out, popped up on my YouTube. I just kept seeing it, kept seeing it, kept popping up, kept popping up. So I'm like, man, it keep popping up, bro. I got to click on it. And I was like, I know he from San Antonio. Let me click. Let me see what's up. I clicked on it, bro, instantly, bro. The beat, hook, while I hung out. Everywhere you go, it's a drug house. yeah i'm like man like this right here this is it the only other artist who gave me that feeling was uh rp yonzo oh um yeah bro yonzo um it's just something about artists like y'all bro like there's a lot of rappers right now in san antonio who doing their thing shout out to everybody i'm not doing no diss or nothing like that but when it comes to like the real like authentic like you watch the video just chopping it up with you you could tell you a real and there's not a lot of real in the game i appreciate it and before i met you just listening to your music and putting other people onto your music chilling with the homies and who this is oh it's pac-man he from san antonio will go hard you know what i'm saying like everybody else feels it too um so i guess we could start off the interview bro like who Who influenced you? What got you into the music game? Was it artists from San Antonio, artists from Houston or outside? Who was your influences? What got you into rapping?
For sure, artists from San Antonio. My brother, he was rapping back in 2000, 1999. And my uncle, Rudy DeLuna, we call him Uncle Frank nowadays. But long story short, he's deep in the game too. He used to manage for Amanda Pettis. A lot of people, like you know a lot of big names so I got a taste of both sides. But yeah people from San Antonio bro sweet pea from back in the day. You do? You sweet pea?
Yeah because I got family who is in the game. My older brother Chase. I think you know Chase. We'll get to that later in the interview. But yeah my brother been in the game too and so a lot of San Antonio like I'm familiar with a lot of names in San Antonio and a lot of like people who connected with people and stuff like that.
Yeah, but definitely San Antonio, bro, influenced me big time and shit before outside.
Okay. Hell yeah. That's what's up. That's what's up. So what was like... Because a lot of people who not from San Antonio... Because the majority of the people I chill with born and raised from the city, but I do got friends who I've met from Houston. You know, I got homies from Florida, homies from New York. A lot of people don't really know San Antonio like that. How would you describe your upbringing in San Antonio? Let us know the hood you grew up in. What was your upbringing like? What made you become Pac-Man? What were some of the obstacles you had to overcome?
Shit, really, San Antonio was just like everybody else, man. Except what I learned is we're too diverse as far as racial and views and shit. We're too diverse for it. There's not enough unity. That's what I believe. And everywhere else, yeah, you have... a majority race somewhere you know i'm saying either black white or mexican they're gonna be majority even more than that facts but i mean it comes down to really i'm from the southwest any creek anybody don't know yeah paranormal records you know what it is yeah yeah but look um i moved around a lot all the way to the west that's why we say yarns like we know a lot of same people we're locked in with the same people free vick and It just comes down to, bro, I moved around a lot. Bad family, you know what I'm saying? I'm not going to call it bad family, but unstable family. You can move around, you know what I'm saying? I think if you can stay in your hood for all your life, then you have a stable family. That's my upbringing. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But shit, yeah, we're just like everywhere else. We're just like everywhere else except we haven't had that unity yet.
Yeah, I mess with San Antonio, bro. The way I... Because a lot of people be like, "Ah man, Santonio boring." or san sony ain't lit like where i'm from i'll be like nah bro me growing up here i'm like bro san sony lit san sony a city where you gonna get what you're looking for like if you just want to work and go home and live a normal life you can do that but like if you're looking for like you want to turn up and party and look somebody at you there's somebody don't do that you want to be in some street stuff that's there too like i always tell people not san sony a city where like a lot of stuff it might not be like it's talk about or is in your face like other cities but like I mean it's poppin here Santa from for me my upbringing the sants on your lid like I got good memories bad memories but you know but uh so like when do you start rapping like I know who was talking about your influences and stuff but like when like how long was you rapping like did it start at a young age or was it something just recent that you jumped into or is it something you've been doing for like forever forever man forever like like
I said my older brother he was eight years When he was a teenager, I was eight, nine, on the bike with him, in the hood, doing all the shit that they're doing. They teenagers. You know what I mean? Yeah, I was already on the mic by the time- Your little brother tagging along wanting to- Oh yeah, literally tagging along. Whatever. Everything you can think of, bro. But yeah, I influenced Young by the time I was 10, 11. I was already on the mic playing around and shit. Yeah.
Was you riding at 10, 11? Were you riding, freestyling, or both?
Both, really. Both. Yeah, both. It depends. Yeah, it depends on everything. But yeah, both. And I started writing and getting locked up a lot. I started writing more and more.
That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. So you got more, I guess you said got more familiar with your pen and writing rhymes behind the wall and stuff like that?
Yeah.
Okay, okay. That's what's up. That's what's up. One thing about you, bro, is like, and I don't hate on the new style because I made music too and I play with it. And the way to go is like you find a fire beat, right? And then you just say whatever on there. Like that's how and that's how a lot of artists record music. One thing I noticed about you that's dope and you could tell like you come from like you listen to like old school music and stuff. Like you have like a fire hook. It's new but like when I say it's like oldest because it has the fire hook and then your verses you're always talking about something. Like everything you say like every rhyme is about something. Like, you're not just talking. You know? Like, you're not just talking about, I got a bad bitch. No, like, you telling the story. Like, you know what I mean?
Can't help it.
Like, you telling stories. So, like, have you always been, like, that deep when it comes to your rhymes? Or did that start more when you was getting locked up and going through life experiences?
I guess probably the first song I wrote that I ever wrote, it was about what I had going on at the time. And I was a teenager, and I was on monitor in the free world and shit. But I do both, man. I do both, really. I do get it talking about, you know what I'm saying? What you said? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do every now and then got to show your ass.
But you've been painting the picture, though. You know how to paint a picture. Like, every lyric that you always talk, or like you say something in a song, where I'll be like... who he talking about like you were doing that around when you started acting funny and because i really listened and i'm like i know exactly what i'm talking about then i like when you thought i got the bad telling me they love me man he'd cheat on you she'd be mad at you for cheating but do the same thing like you'd be saying stuff and i'm like yo this spitting like and then yeah and i'll be listening i'm like bro like a lot of rappers don't do that where you listen like they might say something about some money and like "Okay, that's cool," or say something about hitting a chick. It's a lot of detail in your raps. I think that's really dope, bro.
I try to pay attention to detail and not say too much detail at the same time. I don't like to say names. I don't like to disrespect no victims. I don't like to do none of that shit because it's deep. You know what I'm saying? But on another note, it's like an artist separating an artist from their own art. It's kind of hard. So I'm just putting myself in there because I know it's going to outlive me. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, one day, if you know about it, you know about it. If you don't, you don't. Yeah, yeah.
Whoever going to catch it, going to catch it. They're going to be like, oh. They're going to laugh. The homies. Yeah, the inside circle. They're going to laugh. Like, nah, he said that. Like.
Not everybody knows everything. You know what I'm saying? But that's what it is.
That's a good way to keep it, bro. Nowadays, I feel like we're living in a time where everybody want to see everything, want to hear it, like, want to know everything about you. you know do your thing with the music have your fan base whatever and put it in your music but you don't gotta be all up you know like you you be working hard i see just your whole is just straight music anything i see on your profile is it's all it's music it's the video uh then like any other year because i ain't gonna lie you was doing your thing you would pop up on my but like i feel like this year you really been what's the reason be is there a reason behind you going so hard or who put a battery in your back or what happened it's kind of a sad thing i try to stay positive because this is the year man this is the year where i might not come back okay
that's the same okay you know what i'm saying long story short this is a year where i might not come back okay and god forbid that happen but it is what it is even got some bad news today but You know what I'm saying? We here trying to keep pushing P.
Always.
Yeah, but it's going to outlive me. as long as the internet's there, I'm there. My music's there. Even my boy Izzy locked up. He caught some of my songs that wasn't on. You know what I'm saying? People start coming to advice. When they start hitting the systems, they be coming to advice like, how'd you get your music on here? Because even in the feds, there's nobody from San Antonio in there. I am now. It cost me about $400 or $500. I lost about $400 or $500 already on it, but I'm in there now. oh so that's on so whenever they get like the the computer and they could be like jamming out yeah you can buy my stuff oh they got your stuff yeah and i looked up everybody bro blake everybody our question our kylie i looked up everybody i could think of man and i couldn't find nobody for samsung but pac-man is on there yeah there's somebody locked up somebody from san antonio like hey bro check out pac yeah they could listen to you doing that yeah i still talk Yeah, man. It's going to outlive me. As long as the internet's there, my music's there, that's why I keep pushing. I spend a lot of my free time. Most of my free time. Hey,
brother. I wish the best for you, bro. I really do, bro. And you real talented. And one thing I will say is like that, the time we living in right now, that internet will keep you live. And you know, like people like me who are supporters, we're going to keep that alive. Man, I appreciate it. Nah, bro. Like that's real nigga shit, bro. Like yeah, Boy, shit. Y'all show me. on some real on some real stuff though because the time we're living in like you mentioned izzy bro and i know y'all got a track together that uh that tracks fire i forget the name of it but um that we got a few we got a few no but there's that there's one that uh who who did the ones who didn't get caught still ain't got caught yeah that one's fire but um uh you and izzy are because y'all from the are y'all from the same neighborhood same area cover street's over type okay okay so did you been knowing him for like a good minute i've been watching him
him and him and his other age group like i was keeping contact with the youngsters okay when you started making a name for yourself i was out before i went to yeah before i went to state no before i went to the feds when i started you know he dropped his first video and it was a free easy video it's funny freezy i remember one yeah yeah yeah yeah but that one was like that one was like kind of like a hood yeah some hood stuff i remember when i three came out it was different you know what i'm saying i guess 93 was my little partner this and I understood. Everybody know any Cree I see. And you know what I'm saying? He was just part of them. I never...
You never really... Yeah, yeah. But that's his generation. Yeah. Like, you just kind of seen him coming up.
My little partner, yeah. Bing, Sir, John, everybody that stay in the age group and shit.
Yeah. That's what's up. Yeah, bro. I ain't gonna lie. Like, it seem like a lot of the fire that comes out of San Antonio come from the Cree. Like, or from like the South. Like, West. It's like, y'all... Man. So, like, it's like you... So, you like, you got Izzy, Lil A, and all them.
Yeah.
and they be doing they thing then you got you yeah and then you you be doing your thing but you you say you move around a lot but i know you represent like in your music and stuff you shout out the creek so and then it's a lot of people bro like are they either from the creek or the south side really he's outside that's outside though so you know like that whole area right now is like
on fire bro how do you feel seeing like all the san antonio artists getting shine bro i love it bro i love it especially because i you know back i'm 33 years old right now yeah so when i was growing up like teenagers going hit juvenile oh i'm from the southwest black man what they look at you like bro he's from the south of the west southwest not the same time yeah yeah but now you know they know about us you know what i'm saying they know about us it's beautiful it makes me happy to see that bro because it's like we're kind of far away from from west and south type
Yeah.
But it's good to see everybody shining.
Nah, yeah. It's fire, bro. To me, when I see Hoodlum and R&B 4 Mob on those jumpers and stuff like that, I'm like, bro. It's so dope to me, bro. And then I'm a big hip hop artist. Then my mom too, the reason why I love hip hop so much is my family, my parents' hip hop heads. My older brother was in the hip hop game. So my whole generation, I share stuff with my mom, bro. My mom in her 60s. But I'll send her a video like, hey, check this interview out. Real kick it out. Yeah, yeah. He from like when I dropped this one, I showed her your stuff and I'm going to show her this interview too. And she supports. She's like, I like him. He real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mom's a writer for real. But yeah, bro. It makes me excited, dog, when I see like a lot of the fools from San Antonio doing their thing. Because I remember there used to be a time when I used to look at San Antonio like, why we don't get no shine, bro? Like everybody look at Houston. Everybody look at Dallas. Why they don't look at us? For a long time, bro, they didn't look at us. Why you think that was?
Yeah, because the unity, we don't got the numbers. We got numbers, but we're all separated by so many different views and races and factions. Like I was saying a little while ago, that's why. Because we don't have the support for each other to start in order to gain. There's power in numbers. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
My bad. Go ahead. Go ahead.
And I'll say we can do what we can, but it's the culture here.
Yeah.
And it's the diversity. It's our culture here full of hate.
Yeah, it is. do you feel like like because this is how i felt and this is like just me seeing it it's like a few it's like a lot of people who humble but like one thing i did notice like whenever somebody there would always be because like right now it's popping and i feel like how you said the unity you know what i mean like like the i'm seeing more unity but for a minute it seemed like a rapper would get big in san antonio and it would just be that one rapper one every now and then just one and that one he do his thing but he wouldn't really like mess with the people like that who we talking about i'm not gonna put no you're telling me i'm confused that's all i know but but like i seen like for a minute before like all like with the izzy's and all y'all like it seems like it's more unity people collabing together but for a minute there was no rappers from san antonio like popping and then like and he have a name for himself oh he never for the people then for the beginning with i'm not gonna say no names so he really not popping up he's really not on the he not on the map but for many he got a buzz and it wasn't really like showing it was just all like i'm the the top dog and everybody else is just you know what i'm saying now you feel like a lot of that but you you feel like a lot of that would go on too like in the city or like did you ever like see any of that
seen that yeah yeah like they try to call them gatekeepers and all kinds of right that's yeah yeah yeah yeah popping it it's just like this is the guy for santonio and then it'd be like ah but there's other guys for san antonio and like you know what i mean don't like he don't really show love or like if you in order to do it like he not reachable he's scared
he probably just scared really really honest yeah don't be scared like you reach your people you could talk And like I seen artists who kind of like they get a buzz in the city and they kind of like...
Hit their chin up. Yeah, yeah.
They just feel like they the... And I won't say no names but I just seen it and I'm just all like, "Man why you gotta be like that bro?" You know what I'm saying? Like we got love for you, we support you but um...
Who knows what they got going on though. But that's true too, yeah. What's going on because like I probably been like that with some people not intentionally but it was because you had no idea what the fuck I had going on. Facts. You know what I'm saying? you know react but no for real i have seen some like that i think i've low-key probably been done like that too right yeah up and coming the guy's a little higher than you trying to show something look you're not understanding how the game works yes i'm over here thinking you know it's free yeah yeah yeah yeah so
uh one of my favorite songs from you is i can't tell yeah that Flippin' Black and I Can't Tell. I'm going to go Flippin' Black though. We'll get to Flippin' Black. But I Can't Tell and Where I Hung Out, they got Liveola on there. Oh,
they do. Yeah, both of them do.
What's your relationship with Liveola? Because that's a legend.
I know he's a legend. Shout out to Liveola, man. He's live. That's Barbara Johnson.
Liveola.
Yeah, man. I love you, boy. Shit, I looked up to him young. He knows me since I was a little, little kid. He just didn't realize it.
Oh, okay, okay. Yeah,
he didn't realize it. I used to look up to him, you know what I'm saying? We knew the same people. I'd see him constantly. But, you know, I was a kid. They didn't realize the type of shit I was into already. But once we locked in and his people knew, you know, bring me gifts, whatever. He stopped charging me for anything. He got me for a feature. You know what I'm saying? It was just, he didn't realize how locked in we really was. But that's a big bro, man. Me and him, I had a situation in the city one time with another rapper. And we talked on the phone for like two hours.
about it because he's just like me i'm just you know what i'm saying we just we just like each other and yeah he's a mentor too bro that's a good dude that's what's up yeah it's a good yeah la vola was somebody that i know everybody like i mess with kylie i mess with a lot of the legends third degree all that uh that's my boda yeah mark g it's marco boda and i'm programmed to rick and i gratitude that i was bumping the crunch time when i was in high school that's So that's what I was jamming to too Like growing up Those were the legends Yeah yeah But really it was La Vola La Vola was really dope That was everybody I mean really That's all the streets That's really like the streets Yeah Yeah The college in them was cool But like La Vola was like The hood That's what like It was bumping I was kicking it with fools Who was older than me
Doing stuff I ain't supposed to And that's what they listening to Yeah yeah yeah Mark G too though That's a good That's a good one too
So Flippin' Black, bro. What got you to get in that booth and just start chanting that? What else you think, man?
Shout out Bruce Wayne. Yeah, my nigga Bruce Wayne. Bro,
when I first heard that, hey bro, I played that song religiously. I still play it, but like when I first heard it, I was playing it overs and overs. And then when we did the show, and I was singing, I was chanting that, bro, because like I bump it in the car. my girl be like you jamming to this again i said yeah we jamming to this again like we're gonna jam it again and i'm like i'm gonna keep jamming it but it's because bro like i don't know i was jamming to you and then um it just came on it's not a song that i picked it just came on because i can't so you know how the youtube does the algorithm it just plays the next song and i'm happy for that so it's playing the songs and it's playing all the songs that i've been listening to i'm hearing i can't tell where i hung out whatever then the beat just kicks in and i just hear flipping black flipping flipping flipping black and i said what i said no he didn't and i said okay bro now that song right there one of the five songs when you make that song where was you at and like do you did you know that like that song was gonna be like when you make songs do you know it's gonna be fire man are you just messing around having fun and then
Man, if I could be honest with you, my process, bro, is a pain in the ass, man. This song I got called Mission Abort that's been doing some numbers recently. That's like the second or third beat that I do that song to. Like, I did the first verse. Yeah. And even SGB Money and KD hop on that song. Shit, I ended up taking them out because I used that beat. I found that beat instead. And I like the way that one sounded. I hit him up and said, hey, I'm going to do it on this beat.
Okay. You're a more complicated artist. Yeah, man. You go back and listen to something and be like, nah, I want to do this on this beat.
Then I try it on this beat. Different chant, different tone, different speed. Man, I just, you know what I'm saying? It's the words that will switch too. It's just, you know what I mean? Throwing a bunch of paint on the wall trying to figure something out.
I know artists like that. Yeah. My cousin does music like that. See, that's a real artist, I think. Yeah.
He make it to where he can't make it no better. Not to where you make it as good as you can, no. Until you can't see no way better.
That's how he is. And I tell him like, because it's good. Because, nah, I don't know. I'm just going to leave it alone. And then he'll be sitting on so much music. And I'll be like, bro, you need a drop. You got a drop song? He'll be like, nah, well, I think this verse right here, I'm going to put it over here. And I'm like, what are we doing? My cousin's like that. And I'll be getting mad because I'm the type who whenever I would do music, record and I'm like, "Alright it's done. Now let's shoot a video." My cousin he like that though. He real like, "Nah bro we gotta..." I think this would sound better on this beat. I think this hook would sound better over here. And I'm like, "Bruh this is crazy though." But when it comes out, it's like, "Man okay you knew what you was talking about." Like it's crazy how...
Yeah that's how I am too man. That Flippin' Black, I was at Paranormal Records shit up in there. I said something in that song too. I had help too. Nothing I had to deal with myself. I record myself, engineer myself over there all the time.
Oh yeah?
Yeah, yeah. I be in the booth, yeah. Doing everything from there. But my boy Bank, Bank of Valley was there and shit. He knew what Leave it to Beaver was. I didn't. Yeah.
I knew I wanted to use it. So you don't want to poke y'all with that line?
Yeah, I was like, who is it? He was like, Leave it to Beaver and shit. He was like, that's cool and shit. Then I was like, what is that? Tell me about it. Off of his idea, that's how I went off on how to use it.
That's your boy Bank, bro. Leave it to Beaver. He got one of my favorite lines. What? I can't tell.
The RCO1?
The RCO1 line. That's not just my favorite verse, that's like, even when I'm kicking it with the homies, we drinking, we're doing what we do. Well, I couldn't wait till the day to come, they called the RCO1. So when I seen him at your show that one time, I seen him, he was at the bar doing his thing, I went up to him. It was before you got there, he was dope, bruh. And he's there. I go up to him. He looking at me like, who are you? I said, I just got to tell you one thing. And he like, what? And I spit the verse to him. He started laughing. Where he go? He's telling the bartender. He like, that's me right there. That's me. You heard what he said? He was trying to give me money and stuff.
he he was like hey they call me big bank and he started i was like now you good i just want to show you love be like nah i'm big bank bro i appreciate i'm gonna pay you that i'm like no you're good yeah everybody has a love language like touch or gifts you know what i'm saying that boy he's trying to get because he loved that's just him telling you he loves you man i could imagine what it means to him because i know him i know him really well yeah you know that's my brother right there man yeah he appreciate that from here
where we at hey so sarky because y'all was on a little run for a minute it seems like a lot of y'all songs that y'all did y'all did together and like y'all had y'all y'all together y'all three bro like y'all like a dream team bro like y'all be making some bangers bro i'm not gonna lie but i can't tell dead or in prison like y'all got a few that like smack bro like it's like i feel like all three y'all like was that like gonna be like a thing y'all were going for like a group thing or was it
y'all just for every boy like i said i talked to sharky a couple times today already bang i caught him right before we put another yeah talking about it yeah because i seen the area i'm like oh i know where we at we we by the air boy yeah yeah that's the neighborhood you know like i was happy yeah my voice be cracking when i get excited i don't give yeah yeah anyway um but yeah we we just boys you know what i mean we're just boys and we all folk the music
and we just jump in there sometimes one of us gets to shine on yeah i mean yeah y'all do your sting bro y'all be killing it like and every song is one of y'all that it's like he had the like you know like bank at the rc on one verse yeah there's something in the end of it and then then you you got like so like uh so like i'm a fan of yours but like And then I've checked out Melo too, some of his stuff by himself too. Because he got like a few- Oh, Malo. Malo's shirt, yeah, my bad. But Malo, I don't really listen to his music like that. I should check him out more, but I've heard some of his stuff.
That boy put money behind his- Yeah, yeah. Bando videos.
Yes, see, and I seen him too before, bro. That's what I'm saying. I've been seeing y'all like you kept popping up on my- It's weird how it happened because you kept popping up on my YouTube. Instagram and Facebook at Sazh, flexing with his gold. So then it makes me like, let me check these boys out, man. They making noise, bro. Like they got to be doing, if they keep popping up on my internet, they got to be doing something. But so bro, one of the songs that I was there for, bro, or your last video shoot, Not For The Public. Now when we were shooting the video, I wasn't like, I was listening, I was hearing the song, but I wasn't really listening to the song. I'm hearing the hook, I'm like yeah this shit live and I'm vibing we shooting the video. But when I really, when the song drop, I listen, I've watched the video and I'm listening to it. Bro you spitting game on there bro.
Yeah talking about CD.
You spitting, I felt every word you said.
See what I'm saying? Relate.
Every word you were saying, hey man sometimes what people do in private, Hey bruh, you be on that Play-A-Time or what?
That Play-A-Time? I ain't been on Play-A-Time since I was a teenager.
So you more of a...
I be more of a P first. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
But yeah, not since I was a kid bro. I hold out. Man, we ain't gonna get into that. It ain't for the public. It's not for the public.
Yeah. Hell yeah. So, hey, so I was going to tell you this is I was going to bring up. So one thing I didn't know and it's crazy how the world's so small, bro. So I've been doing my research. I was studying you before I sat with you as you should. And I was looking at your Instagrams and stuff like that. And I seen that you was did you drop? I don't know. I didn't keep track, but I know you share one of your song. It was like a song that you was dropping. I shared it. it was like more of a it seemed like it was more of like a softer joint okay i think it was that was dedicated to your uh my daughter daughter yeah stop everything i'm doing stop it yeah yeah drop that all right yeah okay okay i need to go back i just remembered when you was previewing it and i was sharing it and stuff and i was like my boy working but i was listening to a little bit of the words um
what's pac-man as a father like what's that like you're gonna have to go ask her Not existing for prison time, man. I was just with her earlier, you know what I'm saying? I'm a full-time father first, you know what I'm saying, type shit. Not full-time, actually, but she was living with me recently. That'll get too technical, but anyways.
Yeah,
yeah. I take her to school every day and I pick her up from school every day. I see her twice a day. We spend time and shit. Make sure she eat, you know what I mean? If a friend need a ride, catch a ride, go pick whatever, you know what I mean?
That's what's up,
man. But, shit. I think every relationship is different. Every relationship is different. You know, me as a father, I'm a different kind of father because we had a different kind of life. You know what I mean?
I tell Weech, if she opens up to me about things that you wouldn't think a daughter would ever tell her father.
Well, honey.
Openly and proudly, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because I ain't going to lie to you, dad. Woo, woo. You know what I mean? I ain't going to lie to you either.
But that's probably because you kept it so real with her. Yeah, yeah. Like you was in front of her.
I ain't going to lie to her about nothing.
I feel like that's the best relationship. I'll tell people like, because like, so like I grew up in my family and I grew up with uncles in and out of prison. Yeah,
yeah, yeah.
Or, you know, cousins. Those are going to be the people that... When I'm going through something, I'm going to go talk to them. I'm not going to talk to my mom and dad because they're more squares and they're going to get mad at me or they're not going to understand me the way... Do you feel like that's... Yeah. Do you feel like she's more comfortable with you? Because you've been through some stuff, so you keep it real with her, she keep it real with you, vice versa. It's just a good relationship like that.
Yeah, I guess she knows how I'm coming.
Yeah.
Especially behind her, you know what I'm saying? I got to prove it, I prove it. no you know question every time she needs me i'll be there i might be late sometime but i'll be there i would check if it's an emergency or not you don't see if it is i drop everything bro go it's 100 man yeah and uh is she bumping your music is she she is she like right there's only one song i guess i have i talked about her hella music she can't keep up with him yeah but uh there's It's not on my channel. It's on my boy Big Kree's channel. He did that video for me. Kree 21st
Century. I'm familiar with Kree.
Shout out Big Kree. He been there for me since I was a teen, bro. That was the big homie little bit.
So we know a lot of the same people, bro.
I was on the mic pass and shit too from back then. Yeah,
I already know. Yeah. So I was going through the Instagram, right? Like, let me see if there's something I catch. You actually got a video of me when I was rapping. For real? Oh, I was scrolling through your stuff. For real? It was at the Kings of Texas car show. At the time, me and my nephew had a group car get rich gang. My older brother Chase was managing us. And we did, it was a three set. We shared a set with the Versace boys and Fable Yayo.
Okay, okay.
It was us. Then the Versace boys went. then fable yayo was like them because this is when fable yayo was like popping um so like 2017 type she's like
20
2017. he's on the run there yeah and it was he just takes his car show and i seen the video he was like recording us and i was all like i'm going and then because i see me and then i pass through the video that i'm like hold up it looks familiar and then it was me i'm right and i'm like well yeah bro you got a whole and it's me performing i i it was a song called go and you recording. And it was at the Kings of Texas. But I thought that was dope. Then another thing, so I'm promoting the interview. Interview with Pac-Man and I'm promoting the videos and stuff. And then Flaws hits me up from the Versace boys.
Yeah, my cousin.
Yeah, I know that. Those are like big bros, him and mez. He tell me, he go, hey bro, you interviewing Pac? He's like, that's my cousin. I said, like... cousin cousin he's like yeah like that's my blood cousin bro i was all like what so it's a small world my aunt is they grandma that's crazy yeah yeah my older brother went to school with uh mess john f kennedy okay they used to be in a rap group together called say town's finest back in the day but yeah man well i've been around the versace boys and stuff like that but yeah i just thought that was crazy i was like oh snap we'd be not the same people i like what flaws are doing nowadays
You know what I'm saying? He was always the one taking it like the...
back burner when it came to that shit you know it's messy no right yeah messy messiest but yeah yeah but yeah those big bros they had they they had a little run for they had they they i love them i love them but flaws is definitely doing this thing with the podcasting the bfr podcast
funny i know i ain't really seen how funny he was no he's funny as hell bro he used to piss me off when y'all hear that where you be pounding a lot you never know what somebody going through right you know saying so we end up around each other and now i have a whole bunch of other on my head that i'm about to go take care of and they over here joking and like that like man away from me yeah
y'all play too much yeah play too much i'm on some serious right there yeah i started because when he was doing the versace boys thing like i had like a certain image of them i didn't I had like an image, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then when he started doing the podcast and then I got him on, well, I think I've been having them on Facebook, but I'm paying attention. I don't know if I'm paying attention to him more or if he's posting more, but he just be posting some crazy stuff. He'd be making me laugh. I don't know who that too. I mean, he don't got no filter, bro. He just be saying some wild stuff.
What did he say recently? He said something recently that made me laugh too.
I can't even keep up with it. Earlier this week, he said something. He was like, I was picking up my kid from school. It was my wife and then I don't know you just say some stupid he just be saying dumb stuff but yeah flaws fun yeah flaws is funny but um yeah I went to school with a lot of they people too because I went to John F Kennedy so a lot of yeah a lot of their little homies is like cool with me.
What middle school you went to?
Brentwood.
Brentwood.
So I moved back and forth because I'm from north central but the my family from the west side. the schools i went to were on the west side i went to rand for a little bit oh you went to rand that's why i asked because you went over there uh yeah i bounced around like two yeah what's up with west side yeah i was north central and west side out back and forth but the west side like all my tia stayed there my grandma's everybody stayed on the west side that's my mama she ain't never leaving the west side she said well my family South side, west side. Back in the day, everybody was on the west side, but I got some cousins and stuff who stay on the south now. But we the only ones in North Central. It's funny because my parents moved us to North Central to get away from the west side. Because the west side was hood. And supposedly back in the day, North Central was actually decent. But me growing up in North Central, it's the same shit. It's really the same shit.
It's just the inner side? Yeah. I'm like,
that's the same shit. I don't know what they moved over here for. Same stuff going on. But I seen you too, bro. You was doing the t-shirts.
Yeah, that was my lawyer.
What does it say? Let us be free. Let us live. Let us live. Let us live. Yeah.
Live with the law.
Yeah. What does that mean to you?
Shit, I made that shit myself.
Yeah, what?
It's because it was a benefit sale to help pay for my lawyer.
Oh, okay.
I got the project right now. Yeah, so that's what it was.
So then you make the shirts.
Yeah, send them home. I got a bunch of them in the whip right now.
Okay, okay. So that was like something for your situation. Yeah. I feel like that resonates though with the time we live in there. Just because you got the Donald Trump stuff going on, Mexicans being deported. You know what I mean? You just got a lot of foul stuff.
Leave with the Pokemon.
Yeah. When I saw it, that's what I was all like, that's a powerful message. You know what I mean? That you being a Mexican artist and stuff, I thought that was dope. I didn't know it was more personal, but it makes sense now. You know what I mean?
But nah,
for real, but they don't be letting people live, bro. I agree. Hell nah,
they kill too many people. I know. They almost smoked me when I was 15 with my face broken and shit. My bad. We're supposed to be on some positive.
Nah. Hey, bro, this your story, bro. I mean, we positive so far, but that's a part of your story. You know what I mean? And you know what? There's not everything. Even though there's a lot of sunlight, we still got rainy days. You feel me? So, I mean, that's a part of your story. Rob Markman: You talk about that though too in your music, like in Flippin' Black. I think you said it's like- Lil Pride. Rob Markman: Hot in the Lil Pride. You talk about that situation.
My boy. Rob Markman:
Yeah, that right there. And that's another example of like, you be talking about telling stories bro. So when you sitting down writing your raps, you just be like, "It's just coming to you."
That one I didn't write.
Oh, that's another...
That one I didn't write a punch in on that one no time.
Oh, okay, so you just punched? Okay.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
It's natural, you know what I'm saying? Natural to say what... That's what you feel. That's why whenever you said about me and Yon, about the little difference, I think it's because not certain things come out of certain people's mouths. When certain things come out of somebody else's mouth, you're like, oh, you know, not too many people are going to say those certain words or certain things. I don't know if it's the lingo or what, but you know, it says a lot about somebody. What somebody says or what somebody asks, it says a lot about them more than they think. I think that's what that factor is, bro. I can't help it, but just call it how I see it.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah. So what's the future of Pac-Man? Would you see like...
Fuck if I don't know right now. I ain't gonna lie.
Well, besides like the situation you're going through and we hoping for the best. So, you know, we hoping for the best. So I'm hoping no matter what you go through, you're going to chin up. You know what I'm saying? You're going to go right through it. You're going to come out of it a stronger person. You still going to be a real nigga.
Every time.
So when you get through this situation, you come back, you start doing... Like in the future, bro, like what you see, what's the future that you want? Like what's your goal with this? With this whole thing that you got, your whole movement that you've created? Because whether you know it or not, you've created like... You have a big catalog too. That's one thing about you. A lot of the rappers in San Antonio, they got like a few songs, one, two projects, but you been doing music. I noticed bro, like you got projects that been out for a minute. Like you got songs that been out for a minute. Like you been doing your things. So you got like a catalog and you got people who listen to you, you know what I mean so with that bro you've created like a movement like you got something going so with this brand that you've built where do you see it going like what's the end goal like what is Pac-Man for the long term yeah long term like see I want to be in a position where I could put put the youngins on from here like we don't have we don't have we
don't have like you know like Major how you said about Dallas or Houston all that shit we don't have what they have here so my big goal is to bring that here somehow If just a little bit of money will save some little kid's life out here, bro.
That's not a fact.
If they good at rapping, you know what I'm saying? Because that's when your prime is when you start, you get your sign off, boom. I want to be able to put them in a position where they don't have to be sweating and stressing, taking them risks type shit, and do what they like to do and have fun with it. They provide for their families, you put people in positions. That's the ultimate goal for me. He signed with Pac. Oh he signed with Pac, that's what I want. That's what I want to see, yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah, go from rapper to CEO. Lil Jon:
Yeah, I can't be a rapper forever. I'm going to forever do music but I ain't trying to do rap forever. Rob Markman:
I'll be. Lil Jon: You know what I'm saying? Rob Markman: In there, maybe jump on a song with your artist when you get bored but the ultimate goal is to be the CEO. Lil Jon:
Yeah, so I can help me help you help me help you type shit. Rob Markman: Want it. Lil Jon: Yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah. Yeah, I think that is definitely what we need in the city. That's something we need. We need more- Lil Jon: Helping hands. it seems like you see the youngsters though man with this internet they done they found a way themselves you know what i mean like i'll be looking at the talent coming up and i'm like hey like it's just because it's so easy now with like the cell phone yeah bro like it's just like it's crazy like the way the game changed like i see my brother chase my older brother chase bro like back in the day uh selling like his cds he had to go to the car shows And that's why we were at the car shows and stuff. And we was telling them, we was all like, nah, me and my nephew, I'm like, big bro, we just need to be on the internet shooting. We just need to be dropping video. And he's all like, nah, man, we got to go out there. We got to touch the people. So he's making us go on them stages at the car shows. give out our cds and sell them because that was the old school grind and he liked that old school grind it still works like that though i mean people that don't they don't know how to make music like at the nike store shit like that like stuff like that meet people in person yeah face to face i feel like that's the best way i feel like i don't know i feel like back in the day that was it was cool that but i mean the internet just changed the game it's just quicker to drop stuff yeah already um
what we got what we got you still you still good okay so you got anything uh anything else coming as far as music see i'm i'm finishing i'm wrapping up this album called surviving surviving surviving surviving yeah like surviving evolving surviving and evolving yeah it's like you better survive surviving but really you evolving yeah yeah yeah yeah i feel like in order to evolve
it's like you gotta go through something like if you don't go through nothing in life you just I feel like you really don't, like...
Yeah, you can whiff that off people too.
You don't really grow. You don't really grow. You don't go through obstacles. You don't really, like... If you don't go through nothing, bro, you just, like... I don't know. I feel like it's hard to grow if you don't go through nothing. You gotta go through things. You gotta make mistakes. You gotta, like... Because you gotta be able to look at yourself and be like, Oh man, I messed up here. Oh man, I messed up that bag. Man, I made this mistake. Now I got to go. You know what I'm saying?
It's best for the people who can learn from other mistakes. Those are the smartest ones.
Facts. Facts.
Yeah. Being able to actually take it like it's their loss. I ain't going to lie. I'm not one of them. But see.
Nah, we all learn at our own pace though. Yeah. Yeah. I'm the same way, bro. I be messing up. I be messing up, bro. I be. Recently, like this. I think it was like this week. I was. Oh, okay. I'm about to get... Yeah, yeah. I got this one right here. Well, like this week, and this is... Look, check this out. So I was supposed to go on a cleanse.
On a cleanse?
Like a cleanse, like my body cleanse. Like no alcohol, no... I don't really smoke cigarettes like that, but when I drink, I'll be needing a cigarette. But I'm like, I'm not going to drink. I ain't going to puff no nicotine. I'm not going to eat nothing unhealthy. I'm going to eat vegetables. For how long? I was going to do it for two weeks. I was going to do it for two weeks. So I'm like, yeah, I'm about to go on a cleanse. I'm just eating vegetables, fruits, drinking water. If I eat meat, it's just going to be seafood. I'm like, yeah, yeah. He said he's doing the most. So I do Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. I was good, bro. I was eating good. I was just drinking water. Then Thursday comes. I'm at work, my co-worker's like, let's go out to eat. Then one of my co-workers spants. He like, well, let's go to Cava. We could eat healthy. We could get a little healthy vegetable bowl and you get... I'm all like, all right, bet. Then my other co-workers, it's like a female I'd be kicking it with and a homie. They like, nah, let's go to El Romerio. I don't know if you've been to El Romerio. It's a lit spot, bro. It's dope. They got good barria tacos there. Yeah, so everybody's like, oh, you going? But I thought you said you was on the cleanse. Why are you trying to go over there?
I was like,
well, I'm going to get me a sushi roll because they have good sushi rolls. But I'm not going to get nothing on it. I'm going to get raw, just raw sushi. So I'm still being healthy. And they're like, you're not going to drink though? I'm like, nah. But I'm going to give me like two shots, maybe three of tequila. They're like, bro, you on the cleanse? I'm like, but tequila is healthy though. You can look it up. Tequila is good for your digestive system. Excuse me. Yeah. so i go i do that i eat a raw sushi just the raw sushi roll i did that and i drank water but i did have me three tequila shots after the tequila shots later because once i get started i can't stop so so after the three tequila shots hey fam i start my homie after work let's watch the steelers game i'm already like i had them things i'm already feeling good i'm like all right cool i'll link up with you i'm not gonna drink though because i'm on a cleanse Nah, I meet him up after work. I'm not going to drink turns into I'm just going to have one beer. One beer turns into like multiple beers. Next thing I know, your boy drunk, bro. I'm faded. I'm kicking it. Yeah, man. It happens though. But yeah, I be messing up too, bro. So what's a funny story that you could tell me, bro? You got any funny stories? Anything that happened this week? Anything that happened this month?
I got something that happened today. Today? Today, yeah. I had to think about that shit. I thought about it. I know something happened today, bro. I got to say it. My cousin Trey, so we meet her and went to go ride a helicopter today.
Ride a helicopter?
Yeah.
A real helicopter? You rode in a helicopter?
Yeah. I can show you when we done.
That's fire.
Yeah, it was cool, right? So I took him over there and... I'm doing a thing registration it says like the limit weight limits and shit so I'm trying to figure out how much we weigh. I ain't weighing myself in a minute either so we're all kind of guessing when we get there. They weigh us. When we get there, they weigh us and shit. Where we was able to go, but my cousin Trey, he's over 300. He can't go? He over 300?
He over 300.
Is Trey... My R.D. Trey, he a rapper too.
He the one who always with you, right?
Yeah, the big, my little big cousin. Yeah, Okay,
I know what you're talking about. R.D. Trey, yeah,
he was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, him.
they didn't let him on i tried to get refunded i still have trouble so he's like hey man like so did y'all write the helicopter yeah yeah okay see i just let him wait yeah right you want to wait we finna write this hell he's over there sweating bullets and he left that oh man yeah like damn to me that was funny yeah that's lit so you enjoying life man you enjoying If you don't mind me asking, when will be the date where you like, let's see.
Is that something you don't? It's still up for debate. I mean, I ain't tripping. It's like I'm really straight up. I guess I don't want to say that either. But I'm just I'm trying to get over with earlier so it is not as harsh if I wait around long and the legal process comes. Then the mandatory minimum started getting raised and raised. So it just got confirmed today that they're definitely going to raise it to a stupid number, talking about 40 years type shit. So that's like, yeah, I'm trying to get it done before that so it doesn't get there.
It doesn't get there,
yeah. Yo, I could wait. I could thug it out for the next two years out here if I can, if I want to, but I might not come back.
Yeah,
yeah. But I'm trying to get it out of the way as soon as possible so I can come back.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's kind of complicated.
Nah, nah, I feel you. Yeah. Be like that. system but uh it's just looming over me everywhere i go man yeah i'm glad i ain't had to go through nothing i've been in trouble but i had i got like probation
10 years probation i really see i'll do whatever i could to get probation right now
I never had a probation. I did like just like a year, but like in Henderson, Texas.
I know what you mean.
The ISF program thing. I did that little stuff, but that wasn't really nothing. I mean, it's jail, but I ain't never had no kids.
Okay, that's right. I got my baby. I got my baby needs.
You can do time. Yeah, yeah. It's on the same road when you have kids and stuff. It's different.
You're really doing time.
That's why. Yeah, because you're missing the family.
I ain't really care.
Then I was young, and then I was just stupid. So I was just like, I ain't really care, bro. But yeah. It be messed up, bro. But I haven't been in trouble in some time, bro. That's all I needed, bro.
Yeah.
And then after that, I chilled out. I got in trouble one more time, and then I was on house arrest for like eight months. But that was a whole nother situation. But besides that incident, I never got in trouble after that. I kind of try to stay out the way. and stuff like that. I got homeboys who be going in and out though.
It sucks, it sucks.
But hey man, it is what it is, you know what I'm saying? It's something we, some of us gotta go through it, you live in a certain lifestyle. Yeah, they come with it.
Just like, you go play football, you probably gonna get hurt a little bit. Exactly. You might lose your life too.
Yeah. But I mean, but do you know what you signing up for? Yeah,
pretty much.
Do you feel like that's one thing I want to ask you too? You feel like, what you feel like the rap game right now? Like as far as like you got like rappers who, like right now you got like 6ix9ine and stuff, like doing podcasts and like he popping again, even after everything. Then you got like the Young Thug situation. You got like stuff like that. Do you separate the artist from the music? Or do like when certain things happen with the... For illegals? Yeah, let's say they be like "Oh Gunna's a snitch."
Let's do that.
We don't know their situation. Are you still going to listen to them or are you going to be like "Nah I don't play that around me."
I want to see the transcripts. The court transcripts.
Facts. That's all. You more like "I don't know that fool. I got to see his paperwork."
The transcripts yeah because everybody knows the transcripts is going to say what was said in court. Like private court hearings and shit, but they still have transcripts. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's the only way. That's the only way to get down to it.
And if he a rat, you're not listening to him no more.
But then also, you don't know what's being done behind closed doors as far as Thug and Gunna. Because I know back then, like I've heard about, okay, people get... It's like a group thing. We're going to let him tell on him type of shit. Whatever. We're going to take care of him. Whatever. Oh, yeah, Yeah, so we don't... That's behind. They're not going to, you know what I mean? They ain't going to spread that. They're going to fuck up the legal shit. Yeah. Ain't no telling.
Yeah.
I'm not them, so I don't know. The guy speaks now, he open about it. He has- Yeah,
he don't care.
Yeah.
He on podcast, psyched by like, I'm ready. He's a clown, bro. He's a clown. He's a clown. He entertainment. He crazy. Yeah, that's how I look at it, bro.
Entertain motherfuckers.
I'm like, bro, it's all entertainment. It's all, I don't know any of them, so. I don't believe everything you do. I jam to who I jam to. I just listen to the music. But some people really take that serious. They like, man, we ain't messing with them no more. People just losing off the internet. Yeah, that's what it be. But I already packed. Hey, man, it was good kicking it with you, brother.
You too.
Again, bro, I just wish you the best. Gonna keep on looking out for you and everything that you got going. And yeah, man, hopefully everything works out well. you know we could do a follow-up interview with something like that and that'd be cool oh you'll be on your ceo stuff by that time and hopefully we'll have a i'll have my own studio and we just like this doing that yeah yeah yeah if i can't bring a drink in here you tell me at the door now no we're gonna have a drink we're gonna have a drink bro i probably had to drink
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so this is the third coast podcast episode one it's your boy q san antonio we got my boy pac-man in the building how you doing brother what up what up though i'm doing all right represents paranoid records so paranoid records all day every day no records yeah keep another blind so i just want to say bro first and foremost i've been a fan of your music uh just started this year bro i ain't gonna lie i ain't gonna sound like i've been jamming to you i've been knowing who you was for a minute uh just because I've been around the music scene and stuff in San Antonio. I'm familiar with Paranoid Records, but it's just a few months ago, I think it was where I hung out, popped up on my YouTube. I just kept seeing it, kept seeing it, kept popping up, kept popping up. So I'm like, man, it keep popping up, bro. I got to click on it. And I was like, I know he from San Antonio. Let me click. Let me see what's up. I clicked on it, bro, instantly, bro. The beat, hook, while I hung out. Everywhere you go, it's a drug house. yeah i'm like man like this right here this is it the only other artist who gave me that feeling was uh rp yonzo oh um yeah bro yonzo um it's just something about artists like y'all bro like there's a lot of rappers right now in san antonio who doing their thing shout out to everybody i'm not doing no diss or nothing like that but when it comes to like the real like authentic like you watch the video just chopping it up with you you could tell you a real and there's not a lot of real in the game i appreciate it and before i met you just listening to your music and putting other people onto your music chilling with the homies and who this is oh it's pac-man he from san antonio will go hard you know what i'm saying like everybody else feels it too um so i guess we could start off the interview bro like who Who influenced you? What got you into the music game? Was it artists from San Antonio, artists from Houston or outside? Who was your influences? What got you into rapping?
For sure, artists from San Antonio. My brother, he was rapping back in 2000, 1999. And my uncle, Rudy DeLuna, we call him Uncle Frank nowadays. But long story short, he's deep in the game too. He used to manage for Amanda Pettis. A lot of people, like you know a lot of big names so I got a taste of both sides. But yeah people from San Antonio bro sweet pea from back in the day. You do? You sweet pea?
Yeah because I got family who is in the game. My older brother Chase. I think you know Chase. We'll get to that later in the interview. But yeah my brother been in the game too and so a lot of San Antonio like I'm familiar with a lot of names in San Antonio and a lot of like people who connected with people and stuff like that.
Yeah, but definitely San Antonio, bro, influenced me big time and shit before outside.
Okay. Hell yeah. That's what's up. That's what's up. So what was like... Because a lot of people who not from San Antonio... Because the majority of the people I chill with born and raised from the city, but I do got friends who I've met from Houston. You know, I got homies from Florida, homies from New York. A lot of people don't really know San Antonio like that. How would you describe your upbringing in San Antonio? Let us know the hood you grew up in. What was your upbringing like? What made you become Pac-Man? What were some of the obstacles you had to overcome?
Shit, really, San Antonio was just like everybody else, man. Except what I learned is we're too diverse as far as racial and views and shit. We're too diverse for it. There's not enough unity. That's what I believe. And everywhere else, yeah, you have... a majority race somewhere you know i'm saying either black white or mexican they're gonna be majority even more than that facts but i mean it comes down to really i'm from the southwest any creek anybody don't know yeah paranormal records you know what it is yeah yeah but look um i moved around a lot all the way to the west that's why we say yarns like we know a lot of same people we're locked in with the same people free vick and It just comes down to, bro, I moved around a lot. Bad family, you know what I'm saying? I'm not going to call it bad family, but unstable family. You can move around, you know what I'm saying? I think if you can stay in your hood for all your life, then you have a stable family. That's my upbringing. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But shit, yeah, we're just like everywhere else. We're just like everywhere else except we haven't had that unity yet.
Yeah, I mess with San Antonio, bro. The way I... Because a lot of people be like, "Ah man, Santonio boring." or san sony ain't lit like where i'm from i'll be like nah bro me growing up here i'm like bro san sony lit san sony a city where you gonna get what you're looking for like if you just want to work and go home and live a normal life you can do that but like if you're looking for like you want to turn up and party and look somebody at you there's somebody don't do that you want to be in some street stuff that's there too like i always tell people not san sony a city where like a lot of stuff it might not be like it's talk about or is in your face like other cities but like I mean it's poppin here Santa from for me my upbringing the sants on your lid like I got good memories bad memories but you know but uh so like when do you start rapping like I know who was talking about your influences and stuff but like when like how long was you rapping like did it start at a young age or was it something just recent that you jumped into or is it something you've been doing for like forever forever man forever like like
I said my older brother he was eight years When he was a teenager, I was eight, nine, on the bike with him, in the hood, doing all the shit that they're doing. They teenagers. You know what I mean? Yeah, I was already on the mic by the time- Your little brother tagging along wanting to- Oh yeah, literally tagging along. Whatever. Everything you can think of, bro. But yeah, I influenced Young by the time I was 10, 11. I was already on the mic playing around and shit. Yeah.
Was you riding at 10, 11? Were you riding, freestyling, or both?
Both, really. Both. Yeah, both. It depends. Yeah, it depends on everything. But yeah, both. And I started writing and getting locked up a lot. I started writing more and more.
That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. So you got more, I guess you said got more familiar with your pen and writing rhymes behind the wall and stuff like that?
Yeah.
Okay, okay. That's what's up. That's what's up. One thing about you, bro, is like, and I don't hate on the new style because I made music too and I play with it. And the way to go is like you find a fire beat, right? And then you just say whatever on there. Like that's how and that's how a lot of artists record music. One thing I noticed about you that's dope and you could tell like you come from like you listen to like old school music and stuff. Like you have like a fire hook. It's new but like when I say it's like oldest because it has the fire hook and then your verses you're always talking about something. Like everything you say like every rhyme is about something. Like, you're not just talking. You know? Like, you're not just talking about, I got a bad bitch. No, like, you telling the story. Like, you know what I mean?
Can't help it.
Like, you telling stories. So, like, have you always been, like, that deep when it comes to your rhymes? Or did that start more when you was getting locked up and going through life experiences?
I guess probably the first song I wrote that I ever wrote, it was about what I had going on at the time. And I was a teenager, and I was on monitor in the free world and shit. But I do both, man. I do both, really. I do get it talking about, you know what I'm saying? What you said? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do every now and then got to show your ass.
But you've been painting the picture, though. You know how to paint a picture. Like, every lyric that you always talk, or like you say something in a song, where I'll be like... who he talking about like you were doing that around when you started acting funny and because i really listened and i'm like i know exactly what i'm talking about then i like when you thought i got the bad telling me they love me man he'd cheat on you she'd be mad at you for cheating but do the same thing like you'd be saying stuff and i'm like yo this spitting like and then yeah and i'll be listening i'm like bro like a lot of rappers don't do that where you listen like they might say something about some money and like "Okay, that's cool," or say something about hitting a chick. It's a lot of detail in your raps. I think that's really dope, bro.
I try to pay attention to detail and not say too much detail at the same time. I don't like to say names. I don't like to disrespect no victims. I don't like to do none of that shit because it's deep. You know what I'm saying? But on another note, it's like an artist separating an artist from their own art. It's kind of hard. So I'm just putting myself in there because I know it's going to outlive me. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, one day, if you know about it, you know about it. If you don't, you don't. Yeah, yeah.
Whoever going to catch it, going to catch it. They're going to be like, oh. They're going to laugh. The homies. Yeah, the inside circle. They're going to laugh. Like, nah, he said that. Like.
Not everybody knows everything. You know what I'm saying? But that's what it is.
That's a good way to keep it, bro. Nowadays, I feel like we're living in a time where everybody want to see everything, want to hear it, like, want to know everything about you. you know do your thing with the music have your fan base whatever and put it in your music but you don't gotta be all up you know like you you be working hard i see just your whole is just straight music anything i see on your profile is it's all it's music it's the video uh then like any other year because i ain't gonna lie you was doing your thing you would pop up on my but like i feel like this year you really been what's the reason be is there a reason behind you going so hard or who put a battery in your back or what happened it's kind of a sad thing i try to stay positive because this is the year man this is the year where i might not come back okay
that's the same okay you know what i'm saying long story short this is a year where i might not come back okay and god forbid that happen but it is what it is even got some bad news today but You know what I'm saying? We here trying to keep pushing P.
Always.
Yeah, but it's going to outlive me. as long as the internet's there, I'm there. My music's there. Even my boy Izzy locked up. He caught some of my songs that wasn't on. You know what I'm saying? People start coming to advice. When they start hitting the systems, they be coming to advice like, how'd you get your music on here? Because even in the feds, there's nobody from San Antonio in there. I am now. It cost me about $400 or $500. I lost about $400 or $500 already on it, but I'm in there now. oh so that's on so whenever they get like the the computer and they could be like jamming out yeah you can buy my stuff oh they got your stuff yeah and i looked up everybody bro blake everybody our question our kylie i looked up everybody i could think of man and i couldn't find nobody for samsung but pac-man is on there yeah there's somebody locked up somebody from san antonio like hey bro check out pac yeah they could listen to you doing that yeah i still talk Yeah, man. It's going to outlive me. As long as the internet's there, my music's there, that's why I keep pushing. I spend a lot of my free time. Most of my free time. Hey,
brother. I wish the best for you, bro. I really do, bro. And you real talented. And one thing I will say is like that, the time we living in right now, that internet will keep you live. And you know, like people like me who are supporters, we're going to keep that alive. Man, I appreciate it. Nah, bro. Like that's real nigga shit, bro. Like yeah, Boy, shit. Y'all show me. on some real on some real stuff though because the time we're living in like you mentioned izzy bro and i know y'all got a track together that uh that tracks fire i forget the name of it but um that we got a few we got a few no but there's that there's one that uh who who did the ones who didn't get caught still ain't got caught yeah that one's fire but um uh you and izzy are because y'all from the are y'all from the same neighborhood same area cover street's over type okay okay so did you been knowing him for like a good minute i've been watching him
him and him and his other age group like i was keeping contact with the youngsters okay when you started making a name for yourself i was out before i went to yeah before i went to state no before i went to the feds when i started you know he dropped his first video and it was a free easy video it's funny freezy i remember one yeah yeah yeah yeah but that one was like that one was like kind of like a hood yeah some hood stuff i remember when i three came out it was different you know what i'm saying i guess 93 was my little partner this and I understood. Everybody know any Cree I see. And you know what I'm saying? He was just part of them. I never...
You never really... Yeah, yeah. But that's his generation. Yeah. Like, you just kind of seen him coming up.
My little partner, yeah. Bing, Sir, John, everybody that stay in the age group and shit.
Yeah. That's what's up. Yeah, bro. I ain't gonna lie. Like, it seem like a lot of the fire that comes out of San Antonio come from the Cree. Like, or from like the South. Like, West. It's like, y'all... Man. So, like, it's like you... So, you like, you got Izzy, Lil A, and all them.
Yeah.
and they be doing they thing then you got you yeah and then you you be doing your thing but you you say you move around a lot but i know you represent like in your music and stuff you shout out the creek so and then it's a lot of people bro like are they either from the creek or the south side really he's outside that's outside though so you know like that whole area right now is like
on fire bro how do you feel seeing like all the san antonio artists getting shine bro i love it bro i love it especially because i you know back i'm 33 years old right now yeah so when i was growing up like teenagers going hit juvenile oh i'm from the southwest black man what they look at you like bro he's from the south of the west southwest not the same time yeah yeah but now you know they know about us you know what i'm saying they know about us it's beautiful it makes me happy to see that bro because it's like we're kind of far away from from west and south type
Yeah.
But it's good to see everybody shining.
Nah, yeah. It's fire, bro. To me, when I see Hoodlum and R&B 4 Mob on those jumpers and stuff like that, I'm like, bro. It's so dope to me, bro. And then I'm a big hip hop artist. Then my mom too, the reason why I love hip hop so much is my family, my parents' hip hop heads. My older brother was in the hip hop game. So my whole generation, I share stuff with my mom, bro. My mom in her 60s. But I'll send her a video like, hey, check this interview out. Real kick it out. Yeah, yeah. He from like when I dropped this one, I showed her your stuff and I'm going to show her this interview too. And she supports. She's like, I like him. He real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mom's a writer for real. But yeah, bro. It makes me excited, dog, when I see like a lot of the fools from San Antonio doing their thing. Because I remember there used to be a time when I used to look at San Antonio like, why we don't get no shine, bro? Like everybody look at Houston. Everybody look at Dallas. Why they don't look at us? For a long time, bro, they didn't look at us. Why you think that was?
Yeah, because the unity, we don't got the numbers. We got numbers, but we're all separated by so many different views and races and factions. Like I was saying a little while ago, that's why. Because we don't have the support for each other to start in order to gain. There's power in numbers. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
My bad. Go ahead. Go ahead.
And I'll say we can do what we can, but it's the culture here.
Yeah.
And it's the diversity. It's our culture here full of hate.
Yeah, it is. do you feel like like because this is how i felt and this is like just me seeing it it's like a few it's like a lot of people who humble but like one thing i did notice like whenever somebody there would always be because like right now it's popping and i feel like how you said the unity you know what i mean like like the i'm seeing more unity but for a minute it seemed like a rapper would get big in san antonio and it would just be that one rapper one every now and then just one and that one he do his thing but he wouldn't really like mess with the people like that who we talking about i'm not gonna put no you're telling me i'm confused that's all i know but but like i seen like for a minute before like all like with the izzy's and all y'all like it seems like it's more unity people collabing together but for a minute there was no rappers from san antonio like popping and then like and he have a name for himself oh he never for the people then for the beginning with i'm not gonna say no names so he really not popping up he's really not on the he not on the map but for many he got a buzz and it wasn't really like showing it was just all like i'm the the top dog and everybody else is just you know what i'm saying now you feel like a lot of that but you you feel like a lot of that would go on too like in the city or like did you ever like see any of that
seen that yeah yeah like they try to call them gatekeepers and all kinds of right that's yeah yeah yeah yeah popping it it's just like this is the guy for santonio and then it'd be like ah but there's other guys for san antonio and like you know what i mean don't like he don't really show love or like if you in order to do it like he not reachable he's scared
he probably just scared really really honest yeah don't be scared like you reach your people you could talk And like I seen artists who kind of like they get a buzz in the city and they kind of like...
Hit their chin up. Yeah, yeah.
They just feel like they the... And I won't say no names but I just seen it and I'm just all like, "Man why you gotta be like that bro?" You know what I'm saying? Like we got love for you, we support you but um...
Who knows what they got going on though. But that's true too, yeah. What's going on because like I probably been like that with some people not intentionally but it was because you had no idea what the fuck I had going on. Facts. You know what I'm saying? you know react but no for real i have seen some like that i think i've low-key probably been done like that too right yeah up and coming the guy's a little higher than you trying to show something look you're not understanding how the game works yes i'm over here thinking you know it's free yeah yeah yeah yeah so
uh one of my favorite songs from you is i can't tell yeah that Flippin' Black and I Can't Tell. I'm going to go Flippin' Black though. We'll get to Flippin' Black. But I Can't Tell and Where I Hung Out, they got Liveola on there. Oh,
they do. Yeah, both of them do.
What's your relationship with Liveola? Because that's a legend.
I know he's a legend. Shout out to Liveola, man. He's live. That's Barbara Johnson.
Liveola.
Yeah, man. I love you, boy. Shit, I looked up to him young. He knows me since I was a little, little kid. He just didn't realize it.
Oh, okay, okay. Yeah,
he didn't realize it. I used to look up to him, you know what I'm saying? We knew the same people. I'd see him constantly. But, you know, I was a kid. They didn't realize the type of shit I was into already. But once we locked in and his people knew, you know, bring me gifts, whatever. He stopped charging me for anything. He got me for a feature. You know what I'm saying? It was just, he didn't realize how locked in we really was. But that's a big bro, man. Me and him, I had a situation in the city one time with another rapper. And we talked on the phone for like two hours.
about it because he's just like me i'm just you know what i'm saying we just we just like each other and yeah he's a mentor too bro that's a good dude that's what's up yeah it's a good yeah la vola was somebody that i know everybody like i mess with kylie i mess with a lot of the legends third degree all that uh that's my boda yeah mark g it's marco boda and i'm programmed to rick and i gratitude that i was bumping the crunch time when i was in high school that's So that's what I was jamming to too Like growing up Those were the legends Yeah yeah But really it was La Vola La Vola was really dope That was everybody I mean really That's all the streets That's really like the streets Yeah Yeah The college in them was cool But like La Vola was like The hood That's what like It was bumping I was kicking it with fools Who was older than me
Doing stuff I ain't supposed to And that's what they listening to Yeah yeah yeah Mark G too though That's a good That's a good one too
So Flippin' Black, bro. What got you to get in that booth and just start chanting that? What else you think, man?
Shout out Bruce Wayne. Yeah, my nigga Bruce Wayne. Bro,
when I first heard that, hey bro, I played that song religiously. I still play it, but like when I first heard it, I was playing it overs and overs. And then when we did the show, and I was singing, I was chanting that, bro, because like I bump it in the car. my girl be like you jamming to this again i said yeah we jamming to this again like we're gonna jam it again and i'm like i'm gonna keep jamming it but it's because bro like i don't know i was jamming to you and then um it just came on it's not a song that i picked it just came on because i can't so you know how the youtube does the algorithm it just plays the next song and i'm happy for that so it's playing the songs and it's playing all the songs that i've been listening to i'm hearing i can't tell where i hung out whatever then the beat just kicks in and i just hear flipping black flipping flipping flipping black and i said what i said no he didn't and i said okay bro now that song right there one of the five songs when you make that song where was you at and like do you did you know that like that song was gonna be like when you make songs do you know it's gonna be fire man are you just messing around having fun and then
Man, if I could be honest with you, my process, bro, is a pain in the ass, man. This song I got called Mission Abort that's been doing some numbers recently. That's like the second or third beat that I do that song to. Like, I did the first verse. Yeah. And even SGB Money and KD hop on that song. Shit, I ended up taking them out because I used that beat. I found that beat instead. And I like the way that one sounded. I hit him up and said, hey, I'm going to do it on this beat.
Okay. You're a more complicated artist. Yeah, man. You go back and listen to something and be like, nah, I want to do this on this beat.
Then I try it on this beat. Different chant, different tone, different speed. Man, I just, you know what I'm saying? It's the words that will switch too. It's just, you know what I mean? Throwing a bunch of paint on the wall trying to figure something out.
I know artists like that. Yeah. My cousin does music like that. See, that's a real artist, I think. Yeah.
He make it to where he can't make it no better. Not to where you make it as good as you can, no. Until you can't see no way better.
That's how he is. And I tell him like, because it's good. Because, nah, I don't know. I'm just going to leave it alone. And then he'll be sitting on so much music. And I'll be like, bro, you need a drop. You got a drop song? He'll be like, nah, well, I think this verse right here, I'm going to put it over here. And I'm like, what are we doing? My cousin's like that. And I'll be getting mad because I'm the type who whenever I would do music, record and I'm like, "Alright it's done. Now let's shoot a video." My cousin he like that though. He real like, "Nah bro we gotta..." I think this would sound better on this beat. I think this hook would sound better over here. And I'm like, "Bruh this is crazy though." But when it comes out, it's like, "Man okay you knew what you was talking about." Like it's crazy how...
Yeah that's how I am too man. That Flippin' Black, I was at Paranormal Records shit up in there. I said something in that song too. I had help too. Nothing I had to deal with myself. I record myself, engineer myself over there all the time.
Oh yeah?
Yeah, yeah. I be in the booth, yeah. Doing everything from there. But my boy Bank, Bank of Valley was there and shit. He knew what Leave it to Beaver was. I didn't. Yeah.
I knew I wanted to use it. So you don't want to poke y'all with that line?
Yeah, I was like, who is it? He was like, Leave it to Beaver and shit. He was like, that's cool and shit. Then I was like, what is that? Tell me about it. Off of his idea, that's how I went off on how to use it.
That's your boy Bank, bro. Leave it to Beaver. He got one of my favorite lines. What? I can't tell.
The RCO1?
The RCO1 line. That's not just my favorite verse, that's like, even when I'm kicking it with the homies, we drinking, we're doing what we do. Well, I couldn't wait till the day to come, they called the RCO1. So when I seen him at your show that one time, I seen him, he was at the bar doing his thing, I went up to him. It was before you got there, he was dope, bruh. And he's there. I go up to him. He looking at me like, who are you? I said, I just got to tell you one thing. And he like, what? And I spit the verse to him. He started laughing. Where he go? He's telling the bartender. He like, that's me right there. That's me. You heard what he said? He was trying to give me money and stuff.
he he was like hey they call me big bank and he started i was like now you good i just want to show you love be like nah i'm big bank bro i appreciate i'm gonna pay you that i'm like no you're good yeah everybody has a love language like touch or gifts you know what i'm saying that boy he's trying to get because he loved that's just him telling you he loves you man i could imagine what it means to him because i know him i know him really well yeah you know that's my brother right there man yeah he appreciate that from here
where we at hey so sarky because y'all was on a little run for a minute it seems like a lot of y'all songs that y'all did y'all did together and like y'all had y'all y'all together y'all three bro like y'all like a dream team bro like y'all be making some bangers bro i'm not gonna lie but i can't tell dead or in prison like y'all got a few that like smack bro like it's like i feel like all three y'all like was that like gonna be like a thing y'all were going for like a group thing or was it
y'all just for every boy like i said i talked to sharky a couple times today already bang i caught him right before we put another yeah talking about it yeah because i seen the area i'm like oh i know where we at we we by the air boy yeah yeah that's the neighborhood you know like i was happy yeah my voice be cracking when i get excited i don't give yeah yeah anyway um but yeah we we just boys you know what i mean we're just boys and we all folk the music
and we just jump in there sometimes one of us gets to shine on yeah i mean yeah y'all do your sting bro y'all be killing it like and every song is one of y'all that it's like he had the like you know like bank at the rc on one verse yeah there's something in the end of it and then then you you got like so like uh so like i'm a fan of yours but like And then I've checked out Melo too, some of his stuff by himself too. Because he got like a few- Oh, Malo. Malo's shirt, yeah, my bad. But Malo, I don't really listen to his music like that. I should check him out more, but I've heard some of his stuff.
That boy put money behind his- Yeah, yeah. Bando videos.
Yes, see, and I seen him too before, bro. That's what I'm saying. I've been seeing y'all like you kept popping up on my- It's weird how it happened because you kept popping up on my YouTube. Instagram and Facebook at Sazh, flexing with his gold. So then it makes me like, let me check these boys out, man. They making noise, bro. Like they got to be doing, if they keep popping up on my internet, they got to be doing something. But so bro, one of the songs that I was there for, bro, or your last video shoot, Not For The Public. Now when we were shooting the video, I wasn't like, I was listening, I was hearing the song, but I wasn't really listening to the song. I'm hearing the hook, I'm like yeah this shit live and I'm vibing we shooting the video. But when I really, when the song drop, I listen, I've watched the video and I'm listening to it. Bro you spitting game on there bro.
Yeah talking about CD.
You spitting, I felt every word you said.
See what I'm saying? Relate.
Every word you were saying, hey man sometimes what people do in private, Hey bruh, you be on that Play-A-Time or what?
That Play-A-Time? I ain't been on Play-A-Time since I was a teenager.
So you more of a...
I be more of a P first. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
But yeah, not since I was a kid bro. I hold out. Man, we ain't gonna get into that. It ain't for the public. It's not for the public.
Yeah. Hell yeah. So, hey, so I was going to tell you this is I was going to bring up. So one thing I didn't know and it's crazy how the world's so small, bro. So I've been doing my research. I was studying you before I sat with you as you should. And I was looking at your Instagrams and stuff like that. And I seen that you was did you drop? I don't know. I didn't keep track, but I know you share one of your song. It was like a song that you was dropping. I shared it. it was like more of a it seemed like it was more of like a softer joint okay i think it was that was dedicated to your uh my daughter daughter yeah stop everything i'm doing stop it yeah yeah drop that all right yeah okay okay i need to go back i just remembered when you was previewing it and i was sharing it and stuff and i was like my boy working but i was listening to a little bit of the words um
what's pac-man as a father like what's that like you're gonna have to go ask her Not existing for prison time, man. I was just with her earlier, you know what I'm saying? I'm a full-time father first, you know what I'm saying, type shit. Not full-time, actually, but she was living with me recently. That'll get too technical, but anyways.
Yeah,
yeah. I take her to school every day and I pick her up from school every day. I see her twice a day. We spend time and shit. Make sure she eat, you know what I mean? If a friend need a ride, catch a ride, go pick whatever, you know what I mean?
That's what's up,
man. But, shit. I think every relationship is different. Every relationship is different. You know, me as a father, I'm a different kind of father because we had a different kind of life. You know what I mean?
I tell Weech, if she opens up to me about things that you wouldn't think a daughter would ever tell her father.
Well, honey.
Openly and proudly, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because I ain't going to lie to you, dad. Woo, woo. You know what I mean? I ain't going to lie to you either.
But that's probably because you kept it so real with her. Yeah, yeah. Like you was in front of her.
I ain't going to lie to her about nothing.
I feel like that's the best relationship. I'll tell people like, because like, so like I grew up in my family and I grew up with uncles in and out of prison. Yeah,
yeah, yeah.
Or, you know, cousins. Those are going to be the people that... When I'm going through something, I'm going to go talk to them. I'm not going to talk to my mom and dad because they're more squares and they're going to get mad at me or they're not going to understand me the way... Do you feel like that's... Yeah. Do you feel like she's more comfortable with you? Because you've been through some stuff, so you keep it real with her, she keep it real with you, vice versa. It's just a good relationship like that.
Yeah, I guess she knows how I'm coming.
Yeah.
Especially behind her, you know what I'm saying? I got to prove it, I prove it. no you know question every time she needs me i'll be there i might be late sometime but i'll be there i would check if it's an emergency or not you don't see if it is i drop everything bro go it's 100 man yeah and uh is she bumping your music is she she is she like right there's only one song i guess i have i talked about her hella music she can't keep up with him yeah but uh there's It's not on my channel. It's on my boy Big Kree's channel. He did that video for me. Kree 21st
Century. I'm familiar with Kree.
Shout out Big Kree. He been there for me since I was a teen, bro. That was the big homie little bit.
So we know a lot of the same people, bro.
I was on the mic pass and shit too from back then. Yeah,
I already know. Yeah. So I was going through the Instagram, right? Like, let me see if there's something I catch. You actually got a video of me when I was rapping. For real? Oh, I was scrolling through your stuff. For real? It was at the Kings of Texas car show. At the time, me and my nephew had a group car get rich gang. My older brother Chase was managing us. And we did, it was a three set. We shared a set with the Versace boys and Fable Yayo.
Okay, okay.
It was us. Then the Versace boys went. then fable yayo was like them because this is when fable yayo was like popping um so like 2017 type she's like
20
2017. he's on the run there yeah and it was he just takes his car show and i seen the video he was like recording us and i was all like i'm going and then because i see me and then i pass through the video that i'm like hold up it looks familiar and then it was me i'm right and i'm like well yeah bro you got a whole and it's me performing i i it was a song called go and you recording. And it was at the Kings of Texas. But I thought that was dope. Then another thing, so I'm promoting the interview. Interview with Pac-Man and I'm promoting the videos and stuff. And then Flaws hits me up from the Versace boys.
Yeah, my cousin.
Yeah, I know that. Those are like big bros, him and mez. He tell me, he go, hey bro, you interviewing Pac? He's like, that's my cousin. I said, like... cousin cousin he's like yeah like that's my blood cousin bro i was all like what so it's a small world my aunt is they grandma that's crazy yeah yeah my older brother went to school with uh mess john f kennedy okay they used to be in a rap group together called say town's finest back in the day but yeah man well i've been around the versace boys and stuff like that but yeah i just thought that was crazy i was like oh snap we'd be not the same people i like what flaws are doing nowadays
You know what I'm saying? He was always the one taking it like the...
back burner when it came to that shit you know it's messy no right yeah messy messiest but yeah yeah but yeah those big bros they had they they had a little run for they had they they i love them i love them but flaws is definitely doing this thing with the podcasting the bfr podcast
funny i know i ain't really seen how funny he was no he's funny as hell bro he used to piss me off when y'all hear that where you be pounding a lot you never know what somebody going through right you know saying so we end up around each other and now i have a whole bunch of other on my head that i'm about to go take care of and they over here joking and like that like man away from me yeah
y'all play too much yeah play too much i'm on some serious right there yeah i started because when he was doing the versace boys thing like i had like a certain image of them i didn't I had like an image, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then when he started doing the podcast and then I got him on, well, I think I've been having them on Facebook, but I'm paying attention. I don't know if I'm paying attention to him more or if he's posting more, but he just be posting some crazy stuff. He'd be making me laugh. I don't know who that too. I mean, he don't got no filter, bro. He just be saying some wild stuff.
What did he say recently? He said something recently that made me laugh too.
I can't even keep up with it. Earlier this week, he said something. He was like, I was picking up my kid from school. It was my wife and then I don't know you just say some stupid he just be saying dumb stuff but yeah flaws fun yeah flaws is funny but um yeah I went to school with a lot of they people too because I went to John F Kennedy so a lot of yeah a lot of their little homies is like cool with me.
What middle school you went to?
Brentwood.
Brentwood.
So I moved back and forth because I'm from north central but the my family from the west side. the schools i went to were on the west side i went to rand for a little bit oh you went to rand that's why i asked because you went over there uh yeah i bounced around like two yeah what's up with west side yeah i was north central and west side out back and forth but the west side like all my tia stayed there my grandma's everybody stayed on the west side that's my mama she ain't never leaving the west side she said well my family South side, west side. Back in the day, everybody was on the west side, but I got some cousins and stuff who stay on the south now. But we the only ones in North Central. It's funny because my parents moved us to North Central to get away from the west side. Because the west side was hood. And supposedly back in the day, North Central was actually decent. But me growing up in North Central, it's the same shit. It's really the same shit.
It's just the inner side? Yeah. I'm like,
that's the same shit. I don't know what they moved over here for. Same stuff going on. But I seen you too, bro. You was doing the t-shirts.
Yeah, that was my lawyer.
What does it say? Let us be free. Let us live. Let us live. Let us live. Yeah.
Live with the law.
Yeah. What does that mean to you?
Shit, I made that shit myself.
Yeah, what?
It's because it was a benefit sale to help pay for my lawyer.
Oh, okay.
I got the project right now. Yeah, so that's what it was.
So then you make the shirts.
Yeah, send them home. I got a bunch of them in the whip right now.
Okay, okay. So that was like something for your situation. Yeah. I feel like that resonates though with the time we live in there. Just because you got the Donald Trump stuff going on, Mexicans being deported. You know what I mean? You just got a lot of foul stuff.
Leave with the Pokemon.
Yeah. When I saw it, that's what I was all like, that's a powerful message. You know what I mean? That you being a Mexican artist and stuff, I thought that was dope. I didn't know it was more personal, but it makes sense now. You know what I mean?
But nah,
for real, but they don't be letting people live, bro. I agree. Hell nah,
they kill too many people. I know. They almost smoked me when I was 15 with my face broken and shit. My bad. We're supposed to be on some positive.
Nah. Hey, bro, this your story, bro. I mean, we positive so far, but that's a part of your story. You know what I mean? And you know what? There's not everything. Even though there's a lot of sunlight, we still got rainy days. You feel me? So, I mean, that's a part of your story. Rob Markman: You talk about that though too in your music, like in Flippin' Black. I think you said it's like- Lil Pride. Rob Markman: Hot in the Lil Pride. You talk about that situation.
My boy. Rob Markman:
Yeah, that right there. And that's another example of like, you be talking about telling stories bro. So when you sitting down writing your raps, you just be like, "It's just coming to you."
That one I didn't write.
Oh, that's another...
That one I didn't write a punch in on that one no time.
Oh, okay, so you just punched? Okay.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
It's natural, you know what I'm saying? Natural to say what... That's what you feel. That's why whenever you said about me and Yon, about the little difference, I think it's because not certain things come out of certain people's mouths. When certain things come out of somebody else's mouth, you're like, oh, you know, not too many people are going to say those certain words or certain things. I don't know if it's the lingo or what, but you know, it says a lot about somebody. What somebody says or what somebody asks, it says a lot about them more than they think. I think that's what that factor is, bro. I can't help it, but just call it how I see it.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah. So what's the future of Pac-Man? Would you see like...
Fuck if I don't know right now. I ain't gonna lie.
Well, besides like the situation you're going through and we hoping for the best. So, you know, we hoping for the best. So I'm hoping no matter what you go through, you're going to chin up. You know what I'm saying? You're going to go right through it. You're going to come out of it a stronger person. You still going to be a real nigga.
Every time.
So when you get through this situation, you come back, you start doing... Like in the future, bro, like what you see, what's the future that you want? Like what's your goal with this? With this whole thing that you got, your whole movement that you've created? Because whether you know it or not, you've created like... You have a big catalog too. That's one thing about you. A lot of the rappers in San Antonio, they got like a few songs, one, two projects, but you been doing music. I noticed bro, like you got projects that been out for a minute. Like you got songs that been out for a minute. Like you been doing your things. So you got like a catalog and you got people who listen to you, you know what I mean so with that bro you've created like a movement like you got something going so with this brand that you've built where do you see it going like what's the end goal like what is Pac-Man for the long term yeah long term like see I want to be in a position where I could put put the youngins on from here like we don't have we don't have we
don't have like you know like Major how you said about Dallas or Houston all that shit we don't have what they have here so my big goal is to bring that here somehow If just a little bit of money will save some little kid's life out here, bro.
That's not a fact.
If they good at rapping, you know what I'm saying? Because that's when your prime is when you start, you get your sign off, boom. I want to be able to put them in a position where they don't have to be sweating and stressing, taking them risks type shit, and do what they like to do and have fun with it. They provide for their families, you put people in positions. That's the ultimate goal for me. He signed with Pac. Oh he signed with Pac, that's what I want. That's what I want to see, yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah, go from rapper to CEO. Lil Jon:
Yeah, I can't be a rapper forever. I'm going to forever do music but I ain't trying to do rap forever. Rob Markman:
I'll be. Lil Jon: You know what I'm saying? Rob Markman: In there, maybe jump on a song with your artist when you get bored but the ultimate goal is to be the CEO. Lil Jon:
Yeah, so I can help me help you help me help you type shit. Rob Markman: Want it. Lil Jon: Yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah. Yeah, I think that is definitely what we need in the city. That's something we need. We need more- Lil Jon: Helping hands. it seems like you see the youngsters though man with this internet they done they found a way themselves you know what i mean like i'll be looking at the talent coming up and i'm like hey like it's just because it's so easy now with like the cell phone yeah bro like it's just like it's crazy like the way the game changed like i see my brother chase my older brother chase bro like back in the day uh selling like his cds he had to go to the car shows And that's why we were at the car shows and stuff. And we was telling them, we was all like, nah, me and my nephew, I'm like, big bro, we just need to be on the internet shooting. We just need to be dropping video. And he's all like, nah, man, we got to go out there. We got to touch the people. So he's making us go on them stages at the car shows. give out our cds and sell them because that was the old school grind and he liked that old school grind it still works like that though i mean people that don't they don't know how to make music like at the nike store shit like that like stuff like that meet people in person yeah face to face i feel like that's the best way i feel like i don't know i feel like back in the day that was it was cool that but i mean the internet just changed the game it's just quicker to drop stuff yeah already um
what we got what we got you still you still good okay so you got anything uh anything else coming as far as music see i'm i'm finishing i'm wrapping up this album called surviving surviving surviving surviving yeah like surviving evolving surviving and evolving yeah it's like you better survive surviving but really you evolving yeah yeah yeah yeah i feel like in order to evolve
it's like you gotta go through something like if you don't go through nothing in life you just I feel like you really don't, like...
Yeah, you can whiff that off people too.
You don't really grow. You don't really grow. You don't go through obstacles. You don't really, like... If you don't go through nothing, bro, you just, like... I don't know. I feel like it's hard to grow if you don't go through nothing. You gotta go through things. You gotta make mistakes. You gotta, like... Because you gotta be able to look at yourself and be like, Oh man, I messed up here. Oh man, I messed up that bag. Man, I made this mistake. Now I got to go. You know what I'm saying?
It's best for the people who can learn from other mistakes. Those are the smartest ones.
Facts. Facts.
Yeah. Being able to actually take it like it's their loss. I ain't going to lie. I'm not one of them. But see.
Nah, we all learn at our own pace though. Yeah. Yeah. I'm the same way, bro. I be messing up. I be messing up, bro. I be. Recently, like this. I think it was like this week. I was. Oh, okay. I'm about to get... Yeah, yeah. I got this one right here. Well, like this week, and this is... Look, check this out. So I was supposed to go on a cleanse.
On a cleanse?
Like a cleanse, like my body cleanse. Like no alcohol, no... I don't really smoke cigarettes like that, but when I drink, I'll be needing a cigarette. But I'm like, I'm not going to drink. I ain't going to puff no nicotine. I'm not going to eat nothing unhealthy. I'm going to eat vegetables. For how long? I was going to do it for two weeks. I was going to do it for two weeks. So I'm like, yeah, I'm about to go on a cleanse. I'm just eating vegetables, fruits, drinking water. If I eat meat, it's just going to be seafood. I'm like, yeah, yeah. He said he's doing the most. So I do Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. I was good, bro. I was eating good. I was just drinking water. Then Thursday comes. I'm at work, my co-worker's like, let's go out to eat. Then one of my co-workers spants. He like, well, let's go to Cava. We could eat healthy. We could get a little healthy vegetable bowl and you get... I'm all like, all right, bet. Then my other co-workers, it's like a female I'd be kicking it with and a homie. They like, nah, let's go to El Romerio. I don't know if you've been to El Romerio. It's a lit spot, bro. It's dope. They got good barria tacos there. Yeah, so everybody's like, oh, you going? But I thought you said you was on the cleanse. Why are you trying to go over there?
I was like,
well, I'm going to get me a sushi roll because they have good sushi rolls. But I'm not going to get nothing on it. I'm going to get raw, just raw sushi. So I'm still being healthy. And they're like, you're not going to drink though? I'm like, nah. But I'm going to give me like two shots, maybe three of tequila. They're like, bro, you on the cleanse? I'm like, but tequila is healthy though. You can look it up. Tequila is good for your digestive system. Excuse me. Yeah. so i go i do that i eat a raw sushi just the raw sushi roll i did that and i drank water but i did have me three tequila shots after the tequila shots later because once i get started i can't stop so so after the three tequila shots hey fam i start my homie after work let's watch the steelers game i'm already like i had them things i'm already feeling good i'm like all right cool i'll link up with you i'm not gonna drink though because i'm on a cleanse Nah, I meet him up after work. I'm not going to drink turns into I'm just going to have one beer. One beer turns into like multiple beers. Next thing I know, your boy drunk, bro. I'm faded. I'm kicking it. Yeah, man. It happens though. But yeah, I be messing up too, bro. So what's a funny story that you could tell me, bro? You got any funny stories? Anything that happened this week? Anything that happened this month?
I got something that happened today. Today? Today, yeah. I had to think about that shit. I thought about it. I know something happened today, bro. I got to say it. My cousin Trey, so we meet her and went to go ride a helicopter today.
Ride a helicopter?
Yeah.
A real helicopter? You rode in a helicopter?
Yeah. I can show you when we done.
That's fire.
Yeah, it was cool, right? So I took him over there and... I'm doing a thing registration it says like the limit weight limits and shit so I'm trying to figure out how much we weigh. I ain't weighing myself in a minute either so we're all kind of guessing when we get there. They weigh us. When we get there, they weigh us and shit. Where we was able to go, but my cousin Trey, he's over 300. He can't go? He over 300?
He over 300.
Is Trey... My R.D. Trey, he a rapper too.
He the one who always with you, right?
Yeah, the big, my little big cousin. Yeah, Okay,
I know what you're talking about. R.D. Trey, yeah,
he was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, him.
they didn't let him on i tried to get refunded i still have trouble so he's like hey man like so did y'all write the helicopter yeah yeah okay see i just let him wait yeah right you want to wait we finna write this hell he's over there sweating bullets and he left that oh man yeah like damn to me that was funny yeah that's lit so you enjoying life man you enjoying If you don't mind me asking, when will be the date where you like, let's see.
Is that something you don't? It's still up for debate. I mean, I ain't tripping. It's like I'm really straight up. I guess I don't want to say that either. But I'm just I'm trying to get over with earlier so it is not as harsh if I wait around long and the legal process comes. Then the mandatory minimum started getting raised and raised. So it just got confirmed today that they're definitely going to raise it to a stupid number, talking about 40 years type shit. So that's like, yeah, I'm trying to get it done before that so it doesn't get there.
It doesn't get there,
yeah. Yo, I could wait. I could thug it out for the next two years out here if I can, if I want to, but I might not come back.
Yeah,
yeah. But I'm trying to get it out of the way as soon as possible so I can come back.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's kind of complicated.
Nah, nah, I feel you. Yeah. Be like that. system but uh it's just looming over me everywhere i go man yeah i'm glad i ain't had to go through nothing i've been in trouble but i had i got like probation
10 years probation i really see i'll do whatever i could to get probation right now
I never had a probation. I did like just like a year, but like in Henderson, Texas.
I know what you mean.
The ISF program thing. I did that little stuff, but that wasn't really nothing. I mean, it's jail, but I ain't never had no kids.
Okay, that's right. I got my baby. I got my baby needs.
You can do time. Yeah, yeah. It's on the same road when you have kids and stuff. It's different.
You're really doing time.
That's why. Yeah, because you're missing the family.
I ain't really care.
Then I was young, and then I was just stupid. So I was just like, I ain't really care, bro. But yeah. It be messed up, bro. But I haven't been in trouble in some time, bro. That's all I needed, bro.
Yeah.
And then after that, I chilled out. I got in trouble one more time, and then I was on house arrest for like eight months. But that was a whole nother situation. But besides that incident, I never got in trouble after that. I kind of try to stay out the way. and stuff like that. I got homeboys who be going in and out though.
It sucks, it sucks.
But hey man, it is what it is, you know what I'm saying? It's something we, some of us gotta go through it, you live in a certain lifestyle. Yeah, they come with it.
Just like, you go play football, you probably gonna get hurt a little bit. Exactly. You might lose your life too.
Yeah. But I mean, but do you know what you signing up for? Yeah,
pretty much.
Do you feel like that's one thing I want to ask you too? You feel like, what you feel like the rap game right now? Like as far as like you got like rappers who, like right now you got like 6ix9ine and stuff, like doing podcasts and like he popping again, even after everything. Then you got like the Young Thug situation. You got like stuff like that. Do you separate the artist from the music? Or do like when certain things happen with the... For illegals? Yeah, let's say they be like "Oh Gunna's a snitch."
Let's do that.
We don't know their situation. Are you still going to listen to them or are you going to be like "Nah I don't play that around me."
I want to see the transcripts. The court transcripts.
Facts. That's all. You more like "I don't know that fool. I got to see his paperwork."
The transcripts yeah because everybody knows the transcripts is going to say what was said in court. Like private court hearings and shit, but they still have transcripts. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's the only way. That's the only way to get down to it.
And if he a rat, you're not listening to him no more.
But then also, you don't know what's being done behind closed doors as far as Thug and Gunna. Because I know back then, like I've heard about, okay, people get... It's like a group thing. We're going to let him tell on him type of shit. Whatever. We're going to take care of him. Whatever. Oh, yeah, Yeah, so we don't... That's behind. They're not going to, you know what I mean? They ain't going to spread that. They're going to fuck up the legal shit. Yeah. Ain't no telling.
Yeah.
I'm not them, so I don't know. The guy speaks now, he open about it. He has- Yeah,
he don't care.
Yeah.
He on podcast, psyched by like, I'm ready. He's a clown, bro. He's a clown. He's a clown. He entertainment. He crazy. Yeah, that's how I look at it, bro.
Entertain motherfuckers.
I'm like, bro, it's all entertainment. It's all, I don't know any of them, so. I don't believe everything you do. I jam to who I jam to. I just listen to the music. But some people really take that serious. They like, man, we ain't messing with them no more. People just losing off the internet. Yeah, that's what it be. But I already packed. Hey, man, it was good kicking it with you, brother.
You too.
Again, bro, I just wish you the best. Gonna keep on looking out for you and everything that you got going. And yeah, man, hopefully everything works out well. you know we could do a follow-up interview with something like that and that'd be cool oh you'll be on your ceo stuff by that time and hopefully we'll have a i'll have my own studio and we just like this doing that yeah yeah yeah if i can't bring a drink in here you tell me at the door now no we're gonna have a drink we're gonna have a drink bro i probably had to drink
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so this is the third coast podcast episode one it's your boy q san antonio we got my boy pac-man in the building how you doing brother what up what up though i'm doing all right represents paranoid records so paranoid records all day every day no records yeah keep another blind so i just want to say bro first and foremost i've been a fan of your music uh just started this year bro i ain't gonna lie i ain't gonna sound like i've been jamming to you i've been knowing who you was for a minute uh just because I've been around the music scene and stuff in San Antonio. I'm familiar with Paranoid Records, but it's just a few months ago, I think it was where I hung out, popped up on my YouTube. I just kept seeing it, kept seeing it, kept popping up, kept popping up. So I'm like, man, it keep popping up, bro. I got to click on it. And I was like, I know he from San Antonio. Let me click. Let me see what's up. I clicked on it, bro, instantly, bro. The beat, hook, while I hung out. Everywhere you go, it's a drug house. yeah i'm like man like this right here this is it the only other artist who gave me that feeling was uh rp yonzo oh um yeah bro yonzo um it's just something about artists like y'all bro like there's a lot of rappers right now in san antonio who doing their thing shout out to everybody i'm not doing no diss or nothing like that but when it comes to like the real like authentic like you watch the video just chopping it up with you you could tell you a real and there's not a lot of real in the game i appreciate it and before i met you just listening to your music and putting other people onto your music chilling with the homies and who this is oh it's pac-man he from san antonio will go hard you know what i'm saying like everybody else feels it too um so i guess we could start off the interview bro like who Who influenced you? What got you into the music game? Was it artists from San Antonio, artists from Houston or outside? Who was your influences? What got you into rapping?
For sure, artists from San Antonio. My brother, he was rapping back in 2000, 1999. And my uncle, Rudy DeLuna, we call him Uncle Frank nowadays. But long story short, he's deep in the game too. He used to manage for Amanda Pettis. A lot of people, like you know a lot of big names so I got a taste of both sides. But yeah people from San Antonio bro sweet pea from back in the day. You do? You sweet pea?
Yeah because I got family who is in the game. My older brother Chase. I think you know Chase. We'll get to that later in the interview. But yeah my brother been in the game too and so a lot of San Antonio like I'm familiar with a lot of names in San Antonio and a lot of like people who connected with people and stuff like that.
Yeah, but definitely San Antonio, bro, influenced me big time and shit before outside.
Okay. Hell yeah. That's what's up. That's what's up. So what was like... Because a lot of people who not from San Antonio... Because the majority of the people I chill with born and raised from the city, but I do got friends who I've met from Houston. You know, I got homies from Florida, homies from New York. A lot of people don't really know San Antonio like that. How would you describe your upbringing in San Antonio? Let us know the hood you grew up in. What was your upbringing like? What made you become Pac-Man? What were some of the obstacles you had to overcome?
Shit, really, San Antonio was just like everybody else, man. Except what I learned is we're too diverse as far as racial and views and shit. We're too diverse for it. There's not enough unity. That's what I believe. And everywhere else, yeah, you have... a majority race somewhere you know i'm saying either black white or mexican they're gonna be majority even more than that facts but i mean it comes down to really i'm from the southwest any creek anybody don't know yeah paranormal records you know what it is yeah yeah but look um i moved around a lot all the way to the west that's why we say yarns like we know a lot of same people we're locked in with the same people free vick and It just comes down to, bro, I moved around a lot. Bad family, you know what I'm saying? I'm not going to call it bad family, but unstable family. You can move around, you know what I'm saying? I think if you can stay in your hood for all your life, then you have a stable family. That's my upbringing. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But shit, yeah, we're just like everywhere else. We're just like everywhere else except we haven't had that unity yet.
Yeah, I mess with San Antonio, bro. The way I... Because a lot of people be like, "Ah man, Santonio boring." or san sony ain't lit like where i'm from i'll be like nah bro me growing up here i'm like bro san sony lit san sony a city where you gonna get what you're looking for like if you just want to work and go home and live a normal life you can do that but like if you're looking for like you want to turn up and party and look somebody at you there's somebody don't do that you want to be in some street stuff that's there too like i always tell people not san sony a city where like a lot of stuff it might not be like it's talk about or is in your face like other cities but like I mean it's poppin here Santa from for me my upbringing the sants on your lid like I got good memories bad memories but you know but uh so like when do you start rapping like I know who was talking about your influences and stuff but like when like how long was you rapping like did it start at a young age or was it something just recent that you jumped into or is it something you've been doing for like forever forever man forever like like
I said my older brother he was eight years When he was a teenager, I was eight, nine, on the bike with him, in the hood, doing all the shit that they're doing. They teenagers. You know what I mean? Yeah, I was already on the mic by the time- Your little brother tagging along wanting to- Oh yeah, literally tagging along. Whatever. Everything you can think of, bro. But yeah, I influenced Young by the time I was 10, 11. I was already on the mic playing around and shit. Yeah.
Was you riding at 10, 11? Were you riding, freestyling, or both?
Both, really. Both. Yeah, both. It depends. Yeah, it depends on everything. But yeah, both. And I started writing and getting locked up a lot. I started writing more and more.
That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. So you got more, I guess you said got more familiar with your pen and writing rhymes behind the wall and stuff like that?
Yeah.
Okay, okay. That's what's up. That's what's up. One thing about you, bro, is like, and I don't hate on the new style because I made music too and I play with it. And the way to go is like you find a fire beat, right? And then you just say whatever on there. Like that's how and that's how a lot of artists record music. One thing I noticed about you that's dope and you could tell like you come from like you listen to like old school music and stuff. Like you have like a fire hook. It's new but like when I say it's like oldest because it has the fire hook and then your verses you're always talking about something. Like everything you say like every rhyme is about something. Like, you're not just talking. You know? Like, you're not just talking about, I got a bad bitch. No, like, you telling the story. Like, you know what I mean?
Can't help it.
Like, you telling stories. So, like, have you always been, like, that deep when it comes to your rhymes? Or did that start more when you was getting locked up and going through life experiences?
I guess probably the first song I wrote that I ever wrote, it was about what I had going on at the time. And I was a teenager, and I was on monitor in the free world and shit. But I do both, man. I do both, really. I do get it talking about, you know what I'm saying? What you said? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do every now and then got to show your ass.
But you've been painting the picture, though. You know how to paint a picture. Like, every lyric that you always talk, or like you say something in a song, where I'll be like... who he talking about like you were doing that around when you started acting funny and because i really listened and i'm like i know exactly what i'm talking about then i like when you thought i got the bad telling me they love me man he'd cheat on you she'd be mad at you for cheating but do the same thing like you'd be saying stuff and i'm like yo this spitting like and then yeah and i'll be listening i'm like bro like a lot of rappers don't do that where you listen like they might say something about some money and like "Okay, that's cool," or say something about hitting a chick. It's a lot of detail in your raps. I think that's really dope, bro.
I try to pay attention to detail and not say too much detail at the same time. I don't like to say names. I don't like to disrespect no victims. I don't like to do none of that shit because it's deep. You know what I'm saying? But on another note, it's like an artist separating an artist from their own art. It's kind of hard. So I'm just putting myself in there because I know it's going to outlive me. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, one day, if you know about it, you know about it. If you don't, you don't. Yeah, yeah.
Whoever going to catch it, going to catch it. They're going to be like, oh. They're going to laugh. The homies. Yeah, the inside circle. They're going to laugh. Like, nah, he said that. Like.
Not everybody knows everything. You know what I'm saying? But that's what it is.
That's a good way to keep it, bro. Nowadays, I feel like we're living in a time where everybody want to see everything, want to hear it, like, want to know everything about you. you know do your thing with the music have your fan base whatever and put it in your music but you don't gotta be all up you know like you you be working hard i see just your whole is just straight music anything i see on your profile is it's all it's music it's the video uh then like any other year because i ain't gonna lie you was doing your thing you would pop up on my but like i feel like this year you really been what's the reason be is there a reason behind you going so hard or who put a battery in your back or what happened it's kind of a sad thing i try to stay positive because this is the year man this is the year where i might not come back okay
that's the same okay you know what i'm saying long story short this is a year where i might not come back okay and god forbid that happen but it is what it is even got some bad news today but You know what I'm saying? We here trying to keep pushing P.
Always.
Yeah, but it's going to outlive me. as long as the internet's there, I'm there. My music's there. Even my boy Izzy locked up. He caught some of my songs that wasn't on. You know what I'm saying? People start coming to advice. When they start hitting the systems, they be coming to advice like, how'd you get your music on here? Because even in the feds, there's nobody from San Antonio in there. I am now. It cost me about $400 or $500. I lost about $400 or $500 already on it, but I'm in there now. oh so that's on so whenever they get like the the computer and they could be like jamming out yeah you can buy my stuff oh they got your stuff yeah and i looked up everybody bro blake everybody our question our kylie i looked up everybody i could think of man and i couldn't find nobody for samsung but pac-man is on there yeah there's somebody locked up somebody from san antonio like hey bro check out pac yeah they could listen to you doing that yeah i still talk Yeah, man. It's going to outlive me. As long as the internet's there, my music's there, that's why I keep pushing. I spend a lot of my free time. Most of my free time. Hey,
brother. I wish the best for you, bro. I really do, bro. And you real talented. And one thing I will say is like that, the time we living in right now, that internet will keep you live. And you know, like people like me who are supporters, we're going to keep that alive. Man, I appreciate it. Nah, bro. Like that's real nigga shit, bro. Like yeah, Boy, shit. Y'all show me. on some real on some real stuff though because the time we're living in like you mentioned izzy bro and i know y'all got a track together that uh that tracks fire i forget the name of it but um that we got a few we got a few no but there's that there's one that uh who who did the ones who didn't get caught still ain't got caught yeah that one's fire but um uh you and izzy are because y'all from the are y'all from the same neighborhood same area cover street's over type okay okay so did you been knowing him for like a good minute i've been watching him
him and him and his other age group like i was keeping contact with the youngsters okay when you started making a name for yourself i was out before i went to yeah before i went to state no before i went to the feds when i started you know he dropped his first video and it was a free easy video it's funny freezy i remember one yeah yeah yeah yeah but that one was like that one was like kind of like a hood yeah some hood stuff i remember when i three came out it was different you know what i'm saying i guess 93 was my little partner this and I understood. Everybody know any Cree I see. And you know what I'm saying? He was just part of them. I never...
You never really... Yeah, yeah. But that's his generation. Yeah. Like, you just kind of seen him coming up.
My little partner, yeah. Bing, Sir, John, everybody that stay in the age group and shit.
Yeah. That's what's up. Yeah, bro. I ain't gonna lie. Like, it seem like a lot of the fire that comes out of San Antonio come from the Cree. Like, or from like the South. Like, West. It's like, y'all... Man. So, like, it's like you... So, you like, you got Izzy, Lil A, and all them.
Yeah.
and they be doing they thing then you got you yeah and then you you be doing your thing but you you say you move around a lot but i know you represent like in your music and stuff you shout out the creek so and then it's a lot of people bro like are they either from the creek or the south side really he's outside that's outside though so you know like that whole area right now is like
on fire bro how do you feel seeing like all the san antonio artists getting shine bro i love it bro i love it especially because i you know back i'm 33 years old right now yeah so when i was growing up like teenagers going hit juvenile oh i'm from the southwest black man what they look at you like bro he's from the south of the west southwest not the same time yeah yeah but now you know they know about us you know what i'm saying they know about us it's beautiful it makes me happy to see that bro because it's like we're kind of far away from from west and south type
Yeah.
But it's good to see everybody shining.
Nah, yeah. It's fire, bro. To me, when I see Hoodlum and R&B 4 Mob on those jumpers and stuff like that, I'm like, bro. It's so dope to me, bro. And then I'm a big hip hop artist. Then my mom too, the reason why I love hip hop so much is my family, my parents' hip hop heads. My older brother was in the hip hop game. So my whole generation, I share stuff with my mom, bro. My mom in her 60s. But I'll send her a video like, hey, check this interview out. Real kick it out. Yeah, yeah. He from like when I dropped this one, I showed her your stuff and I'm going to show her this interview too. And she supports. She's like, I like him. He real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mom's a writer for real. But yeah, bro. It makes me excited, dog, when I see like a lot of the fools from San Antonio doing their thing. Because I remember there used to be a time when I used to look at San Antonio like, why we don't get no shine, bro? Like everybody look at Houston. Everybody look at Dallas. Why they don't look at us? For a long time, bro, they didn't look at us. Why you think that was?
Yeah, because the unity, we don't got the numbers. We got numbers, but we're all separated by so many different views and races and factions. Like I was saying a little while ago, that's why. Because we don't have the support for each other to start in order to gain. There's power in numbers. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
My bad. Go ahead. Go ahead.
And I'll say we can do what we can, but it's the culture here.
Yeah.
And it's the diversity. It's our culture here full of hate.
Yeah, it is. do you feel like like because this is how i felt and this is like just me seeing it it's like a few it's like a lot of people who humble but like one thing i did notice like whenever somebody there would always be because like right now it's popping and i feel like how you said the unity you know what i mean like like the i'm seeing more unity but for a minute it seemed like a rapper would get big in san antonio and it would just be that one rapper one every now and then just one and that one he do his thing but he wouldn't really like mess with the people like that who we talking about i'm not gonna put no you're telling me i'm confused that's all i know but but like i seen like for a minute before like all like with the izzy's and all y'all like it seems like it's more unity people collabing together but for a minute there was no rappers from san antonio like popping and then like and he have a name for himself oh he never for the people then for the beginning with i'm not gonna say no names so he really not popping up he's really not on the he not on the map but for many he got a buzz and it wasn't really like showing it was just all like i'm the the top dog and everybody else is just you know what i'm saying now you feel like a lot of that but you you feel like a lot of that would go on too like in the city or like did you ever like see any of that
seen that yeah yeah like they try to call them gatekeepers and all kinds of right that's yeah yeah yeah yeah popping it it's just like this is the guy for santonio and then it'd be like ah but there's other guys for san antonio and like you know what i mean don't like he don't really show love or like if you in order to do it like he not reachable he's scared
he probably just scared really really honest yeah don't be scared like you reach your people you could talk And like I seen artists who kind of like they get a buzz in the city and they kind of like...
Hit their chin up. Yeah, yeah.
They just feel like they the... And I won't say no names but I just seen it and I'm just all like, "Man why you gotta be like that bro?" You know what I'm saying? Like we got love for you, we support you but um...
Who knows what they got going on though. But that's true too, yeah. What's going on because like I probably been like that with some people not intentionally but it was because you had no idea what the fuck I had going on. Facts. You know what I'm saying? you know react but no for real i have seen some like that i think i've low-key probably been done like that too right yeah up and coming the guy's a little higher than you trying to show something look you're not understanding how the game works yes i'm over here thinking you know it's free yeah yeah yeah yeah so
uh one of my favorite songs from you is i can't tell yeah that Flippin' Black and I Can't Tell. I'm going to go Flippin' Black though. We'll get to Flippin' Black. But I Can't Tell and Where I Hung Out, they got Liveola on there. Oh,
they do. Yeah, both of them do.
What's your relationship with Liveola? Because that's a legend.
I know he's a legend. Shout out to Liveola, man. He's live. That's Barbara Johnson.
Liveola.
Yeah, man. I love you, boy. Shit, I looked up to him young. He knows me since I was a little, little kid. He just didn't realize it.
Oh, okay, okay. Yeah,
he didn't realize it. I used to look up to him, you know what I'm saying? We knew the same people. I'd see him constantly. But, you know, I was a kid. They didn't realize the type of shit I was into already. But once we locked in and his people knew, you know, bring me gifts, whatever. He stopped charging me for anything. He got me for a feature. You know what I'm saying? It was just, he didn't realize how locked in we really was. But that's a big bro, man. Me and him, I had a situation in the city one time with another rapper. And we talked on the phone for like two hours.
about it because he's just like me i'm just you know what i'm saying we just we just like each other and yeah he's a mentor too bro that's a good dude that's what's up yeah it's a good yeah la vola was somebody that i know everybody like i mess with kylie i mess with a lot of the legends third degree all that uh that's my boda yeah mark g it's marco boda and i'm programmed to rick and i gratitude that i was bumping the crunch time when i was in high school that's So that's what I was jamming to too Like growing up Those were the legends Yeah yeah But really it was La Vola La Vola was really dope That was everybody I mean really That's all the streets That's really like the streets Yeah Yeah The college in them was cool But like La Vola was like The hood That's what like It was bumping I was kicking it with fools Who was older than me
Doing stuff I ain't supposed to And that's what they listening to Yeah yeah yeah Mark G too though That's a good That's a good one too
So Flippin' Black, bro. What got you to get in that booth and just start chanting that? What else you think, man?
Shout out Bruce Wayne. Yeah, my nigga Bruce Wayne. Bro,
when I first heard that, hey bro, I played that song religiously. I still play it, but like when I first heard it, I was playing it overs and overs. And then when we did the show, and I was singing, I was chanting that, bro, because like I bump it in the car. my girl be like you jamming to this again i said yeah we jamming to this again like we're gonna jam it again and i'm like i'm gonna keep jamming it but it's because bro like i don't know i was jamming to you and then um it just came on it's not a song that i picked it just came on because i can't so you know how the youtube does the algorithm it just plays the next song and i'm happy for that so it's playing the songs and it's playing all the songs that i've been listening to i'm hearing i can't tell where i hung out whatever then the beat just kicks in and i just hear flipping black flipping flipping flipping black and i said what i said no he didn't and i said okay bro now that song right there one of the five songs when you make that song where was you at and like do you did you know that like that song was gonna be like when you make songs do you know it's gonna be fire man are you just messing around having fun and then
Man, if I could be honest with you, my process, bro, is a pain in the ass, man. This song I got called Mission Abort that's been doing some numbers recently. That's like the second or third beat that I do that song to. Like, I did the first verse. Yeah. And even SGB Money and KD hop on that song. Shit, I ended up taking them out because I used that beat. I found that beat instead. And I like the way that one sounded. I hit him up and said, hey, I'm going to do it on this beat.
Okay. You're a more complicated artist. Yeah, man. You go back and listen to something and be like, nah, I want to do this on this beat.
Then I try it on this beat. Different chant, different tone, different speed. Man, I just, you know what I'm saying? It's the words that will switch too. It's just, you know what I mean? Throwing a bunch of paint on the wall trying to figure something out.
I know artists like that. Yeah. My cousin does music like that. See, that's a real artist, I think. Yeah.
He make it to where he can't make it no better. Not to where you make it as good as you can, no. Until you can't see no way better.
That's how he is. And I tell him like, because it's good. Because, nah, I don't know. I'm just going to leave it alone. And then he'll be sitting on so much music. And I'll be like, bro, you need a drop. You got a drop song? He'll be like, nah, well, I think this verse right here, I'm going to put it over here. And I'm like, what are we doing? My cousin's like that. And I'll be getting mad because I'm the type who whenever I would do music, record and I'm like, "Alright it's done. Now let's shoot a video." My cousin he like that though. He real like, "Nah bro we gotta..." I think this would sound better on this beat. I think this hook would sound better over here. And I'm like, "Bruh this is crazy though." But when it comes out, it's like, "Man okay you knew what you was talking about." Like it's crazy how...
Yeah that's how I am too man. That Flippin' Black, I was at Paranormal Records shit up in there. I said something in that song too. I had help too. Nothing I had to deal with myself. I record myself, engineer myself over there all the time.
Oh yeah?
Yeah, yeah. I be in the booth, yeah. Doing everything from there. But my boy Bank, Bank of Valley was there and shit. He knew what Leave it to Beaver was. I didn't. Yeah.
I knew I wanted to use it. So you don't want to poke y'all with that line?
Yeah, I was like, who is it? He was like, Leave it to Beaver and shit. He was like, that's cool and shit. Then I was like, what is that? Tell me about it. Off of his idea, that's how I went off on how to use it.
That's your boy Bank, bro. Leave it to Beaver. He got one of my favorite lines. What? I can't tell.
The RCO1?
The RCO1 line. That's not just my favorite verse, that's like, even when I'm kicking it with the homies, we drinking, we're doing what we do. Well, I couldn't wait till the day to come, they called the RCO1. So when I seen him at your show that one time, I seen him, he was at the bar doing his thing, I went up to him. It was before you got there, he was dope, bruh. And he's there. I go up to him. He looking at me like, who are you? I said, I just got to tell you one thing. And he like, what? And I spit the verse to him. He started laughing. Where he go? He's telling the bartender. He like, that's me right there. That's me. You heard what he said? He was trying to give me money and stuff.
he he was like hey they call me big bank and he started i was like now you good i just want to show you love be like nah i'm big bank bro i appreciate i'm gonna pay you that i'm like no you're good yeah everybody has a love language like touch or gifts you know what i'm saying that boy he's trying to get because he loved that's just him telling you he loves you man i could imagine what it means to him because i know him i know him really well yeah you know that's my brother right there man yeah he appreciate that from here
where we at hey so sarky because y'all was on a little run for a minute it seems like a lot of y'all songs that y'all did y'all did together and like y'all had y'all y'all together y'all three bro like y'all like a dream team bro like y'all be making some bangers bro i'm not gonna lie but i can't tell dead or in prison like y'all got a few that like smack bro like it's like i feel like all three y'all like was that like gonna be like a thing y'all were going for like a group thing or was it
y'all just for every boy like i said i talked to sharky a couple times today already bang i caught him right before we put another yeah talking about it yeah because i seen the area i'm like oh i know where we at we we by the air boy yeah yeah that's the neighborhood you know like i was happy yeah my voice be cracking when i get excited i don't give yeah yeah anyway um but yeah we we just boys you know what i mean we're just boys and we all folk the music
and we just jump in there sometimes one of us gets to shine on yeah i mean yeah y'all do your sting bro y'all be killing it like and every song is one of y'all that it's like he had the like you know like bank at the rc on one verse yeah there's something in the end of it and then then you you got like so like uh so like i'm a fan of yours but like And then I've checked out Melo too, some of his stuff by himself too. Because he got like a few- Oh, Malo. Malo's shirt, yeah, my bad. But Malo, I don't really listen to his music like that. I should check him out more, but I've heard some of his stuff.
That boy put money behind his- Yeah, yeah. Bando videos.
Yes, see, and I seen him too before, bro. That's what I'm saying. I've been seeing y'all like you kept popping up on my- It's weird how it happened because you kept popping up on my YouTube. Instagram and Facebook at Sazh, flexing with his gold. So then it makes me like, let me check these boys out, man. They making noise, bro. Like they got to be doing, if they keep popping up on my internet, they got to be doing something. But so bro, one of the songs that I was there for, bro, or your last video shoot, Not For The Public. Now when we were shooting the video, I wasn't like, I was listening, I was hearing the song, but I wasn't really listening to the song. I'm hearing the hook, I'm like yeah this shit live and I'm vibing we shooting the video. But when I really, when the song drop, I listen, I've watched the video and I'm listening to it. Bro you spitting game on there bro.
Yeah talking about CD.
You spitting, I felt every word you said.
See what I'm saying? Relate.
Every word you were saying, hey man sometimes what people do in private, Hey bruh, you be on that Play-A-Time or what?
That Play-A-Time? I ain't been on Play-A-Time since I was a teenager.
So you more of a...
I be more of a P first. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
But yeah, not since I was a kid bro. I hold out. Man, we ain't gonna get into that. It ain't for the public. It's not for the public.
Yeah. Hell yeah. So, hey, so I was going to tell you this is I was going to bring up. So one thing I didn't know and it's crazy how the world's so small, bro. So I've been doing my research. I was studying you before I sat with you as you should. And I was looking at your Instagrams and stuff like that. And I seen that you was did you drop? I don't know. I didn't keep track, but I know you share one of your song. It was like a song that you was dropping. I shared it. it was like more of a it seemed like it was more of like a softer joint okay i think it was that was dedicated to your uh my daughter daughter yeah stop everything i'm doing stop it yeah yeah drop that all right yeah okay okay i need to go back i just remembered when you was previewing it and i was sharing it and stuff and i was like my boy working but i was listening to a little bit of the words um
what's pac-man as a father like what's that like you're gonna have to go ask her Not existing for prison time, man. I was just with her earlier, you know what I'm saying? I'm a full-time father first, you know what I'm saying, type shit. Not full-time, actually, but she was living with me recently. That'll get too technical, but anyways.
Yeah,
yeah. I take her to school every day and I pick her up from school every day. I see her twice a day. We spend time and shit. Make sure she eat, you know what I mean? If a friend need a ride, catch a ride, go pick whatever, you know what I mean?
That's what's up,
man. But, shit. I think every relationship is different. Every relationship is different. You know, me as a father, I'm a different kind of father because we had a different kind of life. You know what I mean?
I tell Weech, if she opens up to me about things that you wouldn't think a daughter would ever tell her father.
Well, honey.
Openly and proudly, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because I ain't going to lie to you, dad. Woo, woo. You know what I mean? I ain't going to lie to you either.
But that's probably because you kept it so real with her. Yeah, yeah. Like you was in front of her.
I ain't going to lie to her about nothing.
I feel like that's the best relationship. I'll tell people like, because like, so like I grew up in my family and I grew up with uncles in and out of prison. Yeah,
yeah, yeah.
Or, you know, cousins. Those are going to be the people that... When I'm going through something, I'm going to go talk to them. I'm not going to talk to my mom and dad because they're more squares and they're going to get mad at me or they're not going to understand me the way... Do you feel like that's... Yeah. Do you feel like she's more comfortable with you? Because you've been through some stuff, so you keep it real with her, she keep it real with you, vice versa. It's just a good relationship like that.
Yeah, I guess she knows how I'm coming.
Yeah.
Especially behind her, you know what I'm saying? I got to prove it, I prove it. no you know question every time she needs me i'll be there i might be late sometime but i'll be there i would check if it's an emergency or not you don't see if it is i drop everything bro go it's 100 man yeah and uh is she bumping your music is she she is she like right there's only one song i guess i have i talked about her hella music she can't keep up with him yeah but uh there's It's not on my channel. It's on my boy Big Kree's channel. He did that video for me. Kree 21st
Century. I'm familiar with Kree.
Shout out Big Kree. He been there for me since I was a teen, bro. That was the big homie little bit.
So we know a lot of the same people, bro.
I was on the mic pass and shit too from back then. Yeah,
I already know. Yeah. So I was going through the Instagram, right? Like, let me see if there's something I catch. You actually got a video of me when I was rapping. For real? Oh, I was scrolling through your stuff. For real? It was at the Kings of Texas car show. At the time, me and my nephew had a group car get rich gang. My older brother Chase was managing us. And we did, it was a three set. We shared a set with the Versace boys and Fable Yayo.
Okay, okay.
It was us. Then the Versace boys went. then fable yayo was like them because this is when fable yayo was like popping um so like 2017 type she's like
20
2017. he's on the run there yeah and it was he just takes his car show and i seen the video he was like recording us and i was all like i'm going and then because i see me and then i pass through the video that i'm like hold up it looks familiar and then it was me i'm right and i'm like well yeah bro you got a whole and it's me performing i i it was a song called go and you recording. And it was at the Kings of Texas. But I thought that was dope. Then another thing, so I'm promoting the interview. Interview with Pac-Man and I'm promoting the videos and stuff. And then Flaws hits me up from the Versace boys.
Yeah, my cousin.
Yeah, I know that. Those are like big bros, him and mez. He tell me, he go, hey bro, you interviewing Pac? He's like, that's my cousin. I said, like... cousin cousin he's like yeah like that's my blood cousin bro i was all like what so it's a small world my aunt is they grandma that's crazy yeah yeah my older brother went to school with uh mess john f kennedy okay they used to be in a rap group together called say town's finest back in the day but yeah man well i've been around the versace boys and stuff like that but yeah i just thought that was crazy i was like oh snap we'd be not the same people i like what flaws are doing nowadays
You know what I'm saying? He was always the one taking it like the...
back burner when it came to that shit you know it's messy no right yeah messy messiest but yeah yeah but yeah those big bros they had they they had a little run for they had they they i love them i love them but flaws is definitely doing this thing with the podcasting the bfr podcast
funny i know i ain't really seen how funny he was no he's funny as hell bro he used to piss me off when y'all hear that where you be pounding a lot you never know what somebody going through right you know saying so we end up around each other and now i have a whole bunch of other on my head that i'm about to go take care of and they over here joking and like that like man away from me yeah
y'all play too much yeah play too much i'm on some serious right there yeah i started because when he was doing the versace boys thing like i had like a certain image of them i didn't I had like an image, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then when he started doing the podcast and then I got him on, well, I think I've been having them on Facebook, but I'm paying attention. I don't know if I'm paying attention to him more or if he's posting more, but he just be posting some crazy stuff. He'd be making me laugh. I don't know who that too. I mean, he don't got no filter, bro. He just be saying some wild stuff.
What did he say recently? He said something recently that made me laugh too.
I can't even keep up with it. Earlier this week, he said something. He was like, I was picking up my kid from school. It was my wife and then I don't know you just say some stupid he just be saying dumb stuff but yeah flaws fun yeah flaws is funny but um yeah I went to school with a lot of they people too because I went to John F Kennedy so a lot of yeah a lot of their little homies is like cool with me.
What middle school you went to?
Brentwood.
Brentwood.
So I moved back and forth because I'm from north central but the my family from the west side. the schools i went to were on the west side i went to rand for a little bit oh you went to rand that's why i asked because you went over there uh yeah i bounced around like two yeah what's up with west side yeah i was north central and west side out back and forth but the west side like all my tia stayed there my grandma's everybody stayed on the west side that's my mama she ain't never leaving the west side she said well my family South side, west side. Back in the day, everybody was on the west side, but I got some cousins and stuff who stay on the south now. But we the only ones in North Central. It's funny because my parents moved us to North Central to get away from the west side. Because the west side was hood. And supposedly back in the day, North Central was actually decent. But me growing up in North Central, it's the same shit. It's really the same shit.
It's just the inner side? Yeah. I'm like,
that's the same shit. I don't know what they moved over here for. Same stuff going on. But I seen you too, bro. You was doing the t-shirts.
Yeah, that was my lawyer.
What does it say? Let us be free. Let us live. Let us live. Let us live. Yeah.
Live with the law.
Yeah. What does that mean to you?
Shit, I made that shit myself.
Yeah, what?
It's because it was a benefit sale to help pay for my lawyer.
Oh, okay.
I got the project right now. Yeah, so that's what it was.
So then you make the shirts.
Yeah, send them home. I got a bunch of them in the whip right now.
Okay, okay. So that was like something for your situation. Yeah. I feel like that resonates though with the time we live in there. Just because you got the Donald Trump stuff going on, Mexicans being deported. You know what I mean? You just got a lot of foul stuff.
Leave with the Pokemon.
Yeah. When I saw it, that's what I was all like, that's a powerful message. You know what I mean? That you being a Mexican artist and stuff, I thought that was dope. I didn't know it was more personal, but it makes sense now. You know what I mean?
But nah,
for real, but they don't be letting people live, bro. I agree. Hell nah,
they kill too many people. I know. They almost smoked me when I was 15 with my face broken and shit. My bad. We're supposed to be on some positive.
Nah. Hey, bro, this your story, bro. I mean, we positive so far, but that's a part of your story. You know what I mean? And you know what? There's not everything. Even though there's a lot of sunlight, we still got rainy days. You feel me? So, I mean, that's a part of your story. Rob Markman: You talk about that though too in your music, like in Flippin' Black. I think you said it's like- Lil Pride. Rob Markman: Hot in the Lil Pride. You talk about that situation.
My boy. Rob Markman:
Yeah, that right there. And that's another example of like, you be talking about telling stories bro. So when you sitting down writing your raps, you just be like, "It's just coming to you."
That one I didn't write.
Oh, that's another...
That one I didn't write a punch in on that one no time.
Oh, okay, so you just punched? Okay.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
It's natural, you know what I'm saying? Natural to say what... That's what you feel. That's why whenever you said about me and Yon, about the little difference, I think it's because not certain things come out of certain people's mouths. When certain things come out of somebody else's mouth, you're like, oh, you know, not too many people are going to say those certain words or certain things. I don't know if it's the lingo or what, but you know, it says a lot about somebody. What somebody says or what somebody asks, it says a lot about them more than they think. I think that's what that factor is, bro. I can't help it, but just call it how I see it.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah. So what's the future of Pac-Man? Would you see like...
Fuck if I don't know right now. I ain't gonna lie.
Well, besides like the situation you're going through and we hoping for the best. So, you know, we hoping for the best. So I'm hoping no matter what you go through, you're going to chin up. You know what I'm saying? You're going to go right through it. You're going to come out of it a stronger person. You still going to be a real nigga.
Every time.
So when you get through this situation, you come back, you start doing... Like in the future, bro, like what you see, what's the future that you want? Like what's your goal with this? With this whole thing that you got, your whole movement that you've created? Because whether you know it or not, you've created like... You have a big catalog too. That's one thing about you. A lot of the rappers in San Antonio, they got like a few songs, one, two projects, but you been doing music. I noticed bro, like you got projects that been out for a minute. Like you got songs that been out for a minute. Like you been doing your things. So you got like a catalog and you got people who listen to you, you know what I mean so with that bro you've created like a movement like you got something going so with this brand that you've built where do you see it going like what's the end goal like what is Pac-Man for the long term yeah long term like see I want to be in a position where I could put put the youngins on from here like we don't have we don't have we
don't have like you know like Major how you said about Dallas or Houston all that shit we don't have what they have here so my big goal is to bring that here somehow If just a little bit of money will save some little kid's life out here, bro.
That's not a fact.
If they good at rapping, you know what I'm saying? Because that's when your prime is when you start, you get your sign off, boom. I want to be able to put them in a position where they don't have to be sweating and stressing, taking them risks type shit, and do what they like to do and have fun with it. They provide for their families, you put people in positions. That's the ultimate goal for me. He signed with Pac. Oh he signed with Pac, that's what I want. That's what I want to see, yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah, go from rapper to CEO. Lil Jon:
Yeah, I can't be a rapper forever. I'm going to forever do music but I ain't trying to do rap forever. Rob Markman:
I'll be. Lil Jon: You know what I'm saying? Rob Markman: In there, maybe jump on a song with your artist when you get bored but the ultimate goal is to be the CEO. Lil Jon:
Yeah, so I can help me help you help me help you type shit. Rob Markman: Want it. Lil Jon: Yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah. Yeah, I think that is definitely what we need in the city. That's something we need. We need more- Lil Jon: Helping hands. it seems like you see the youngsters though man with this internet they done they found a way themselves you know what i mean like i'll be looking at the talent coming up and i'm like hey like it's just because it's so easy now with like the cell phone yeah bro like it's just like it's crazy like the way the game changed like i see my brother chase my older brother chase bro like back in the day uh selling like his cds he had to go to the car shows And that's why we were at the car shows and stuff. And we was telling them, we was all like, nah, me and my nephew, I'm like, big bro, we just need to be on the internet shooting. We just need to be dropping video. And he's all like, nah, man, we got to go out there. We got to touch the people. So he's making us go on them stages at the car shows. give out our cds and sell them because that was the old school grind and he liked that old school grind it still works like that though i mean people that don't they don't know how to make music like at the nike store shit like that like stuff like that meet people in person yeah face to face i feel like that's the best way i feel like i don't know i feel like back in the day that was it was cool that but i mean the internet just changed the game it's just quicker to drop stuff yeah already um
what we got what we got you still you still good okay so you got anything uh anything else coming as far as music see i'm i'm finishing i'm wrapping up this album called surviving surviving surviving surviving yeah like surviving evolving surviving and evolving yeah it's like you better survive surviving but really you evolving yeah yeah yeah yeah i feel like in order to evolve
it's like you gotta go through something like if you don't go through nothing in life you just I feel like you really don't, like...
Yeah, you can whiff that off people too.
You don't really grow. You don't really grow. You don't go through obstacles. You don't really, like... If you don't go through nothing, bro, you just, like... I don't know. I feel like it's hard to grow if you don't go through nothing. You gotta go through things. You gotta make mistakes. You gotta, like... Because you gotta be able to look at yourself and be like, Oh man, I messed up here. Oh man, I messed up that bag. Man, I made this mistake. Now I got to go. You know what I'm saying?
It's best for the people who can learn from other mistakes. Those are the smartest ones.
Facts. Facts.
Yeah. Being able to actually take it like it's their loss. I ain't going to lie. I'm not one of them. But see.
Nah, we all learn at our own pace though. Yeah. Yeah. I'm the same way, bro. I be messing up. I be messing up, bro. I be. Recently, like this. I think it was like this week. I was. Oh, okay. I'm about to get... Yeah, yeah. I got this one right here. Well, like this week, and this is... Look, check this out. So I was supposed to go on a cleanse.
On a cleanse?
Like a cleanse, like my body cleanse. Like no alcohol, no... I don't really smoke cigarettes like that, but when I drink, I'll be needing a cigarette. But I'm like, I'm not going to drink. I ain't going to puff no nicotine. I'm not going to eat nothing unhealthy. I'm going to eat vegetables. For how long? I was going to do it for two weeks. I was going to do it for two weeks. So I'm like, yeah, I'm about to go on a cleanse. I'm just eating vegetables, fruits, drinking water. If I eat meat, it's just going to be seafood. I'm like, yeah, yeah. He said he's doing the most. So I do Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. I was good, bro. I was eating good. I was just drinking water. Then Thursday comes. I'm at work, my co-worker's like, let's go out to eat. Then one of my co-workers spants. He like, well, let's go to Cava. We could eat healthy. We could get a little healthy vegetable bowl and you get... I'm all like, all right, bet. Then my other co-workers, it's like a female I'd be kicking it with and a homie. They like, nah, let's go to El Romerio. I don't know if you've been to El Romerio. It's a lit spot, bro. It's dope. They got good barria tacos there. Yeah, so everybody's like, oh, you going? But I thought you said you was on the cleanse. Why are you trying to go over there?
I was like,
well, I'm going to get me a sushi roll because they have good sushi rolls. But I'm not going to get nothing on it. I'm going to get raw, just raw sushi. So I'm still being healthy. And they're like, you're not going to drink though? I'm like, nah. But I'm going to give me like two shots, maybe three of tequila. They're like, bro, you on the cleanse? I'm like, but tequila is healthy though. You can look it up. Tequila is good for your digestive system. Excuse me. Yeah. so i go i do that i eat a raw sushi just the raw sushi roll i did that and i drank water but i did have me three tequila shots after the tequila shots later because once i get started i can't stop so so after the three tequila shots hey fam i start my homie after work let's watch the steelers game i'm already like i had them things i'm already feeling good i'm like all right cool i'll link up with you i'm not gonna drink though because i'm on a cleanse Nah, I meet him up after work. I'm not going to drink turns into I'm just going to have one beer. One beer turns into like multiple beers. Next thing I know, your boy drunk, bro. I'm faded. I'm kicking it. Yeah, man. It happens though. But yeah, I be messing up too, bro. So what's a funny story that you could tell me, bro? You got any funny stories? Anything that happened this week? Anything that happened this month?
I got something that happened today. Today? Today, yeah. I had to think about that shit. I thought about it. I know something happened today, bro. I got to say it. My cousin Trey, so we meet her and went to go ride a helicopter today.
Ride a helicopter?
Yeah.
A real helicopter? You rode in a helicopter?
Yeah. I can show you when we done.
That's fire.
Yeah, it was cool, right? So I took him over there and... I'm doing a thing registration it says like the limit weight limits and shit so I'm trying to figure out how much we weigh. I ain't weighing myself in a minute either so we're all kind of guessing when we get there. They weigh us. When we get there, they weigh us and shit. Where we was able to go, but my cousin Trey, he's over 300. He can't go? He over 300?
He over 300.
Is Trey... My R.D. Trey, he a rapper too.
He the one who always with you, right?
Yeah, the big, my little big cousin. Yeah, Okay,
I know what you're talking about. R.D. Trey, yeah,
he was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, him.
they didn't let him on i tried to get refunded i still have trouble so he's like hey man like so did y'all write the helicopter yeah yeah okay see i just let him wait yeah right you want to wait we finna write this hell he's over there sweating bullets and he left that oh man yeah like damn to me that was funny yeah that's lit so you enjoying life man you enjoying If you don't mind me asking, when will be the date where you like, let's see.
Is that something you don't? It's still up for debate. I mean, I ain't tripping. It's like I'm really straight up. I guess I don't want to say that either. But I'm just I'm trying to get over with earlier so it is not as harsh if I wait around long and the legal process comes. Then the mandatory minimum started getting raised and raised. So it just got confirmed today that they're definitely going to raise it to a stupid number, talking about 40 years type shit. So that's like, yeah, I'm trying to get it done before that so it doesn't get there.
It doesn't get there,
yeah. Yo, I could wait. I could thug it out for the next two years out here if I can, if I want to, but I might not come back.
Yeah,
yeah. But I'm trying to get it out of the way as soon as possible so I can come back.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's kind of complicated.
Nah, nah, I feel you. Yeah. Be like that. system but uh it's just looming over me everywhere i go man yeah i'm glad i ain't had to go through nothing i've been in trouble but i had i got like probation
10 years probation i really see i'll do whatever i could to get probation right now
I never had a probation. I did like just like a year, but like in Henderson, Texas.
I know what you mean.
The ISF program thing. I did that little stuff, but that wasn't really nothing. I mean, it's jail, but I ain't never had no kids.
Okay, that's right. I got my baby. I got my baby needs.
You can do time. Yeah, yeah. It's on the same road when you have kids and stuff. It's different.
You're really doing time.
That's why. Yeah, because you're missing the family.
I ain't really care.
Then I was young, and then I was just stupid. So I was just like, I ain't really care, bro. But yeah. It be messed up, bro. But I haven't been in trouble in some time, bro. That's all I needed, bro.
Yeah.
And then after that, I chilled out. I got in trouble one more time, and then I was on house arrest for like eight months. But that was a whole nother situation. But besides that incident, I never got in trouble after that. I kind of try to stay out the way. and stuff like that. I got homeboys who be going in and out though.
It sucks, it sucks.
But hey man, it is what it is, you know what I'm saying? It's something we, some of us gotta go through it, you live in a certain lifestyle. Yeah, they come with it.
Just like, you go play football, you probably gonna get hurt a little bit. Exactly. You might lose your life too.
Yeah. But I mean, but do you know what you signing up for? Yeah,
pretty much.
Do you feel like that's one thing I want to ask you too? You feel like, what you feel like the rap game right now? Like as far as like you got like rappers who, like right now you got like 6ix9ine and stuff, like doing podcasts and like he popping again, even after everything. Then you got like the Young Thug situation. You got like stuff like that. Do you separate the artist from the music? Or do like when certain things happen with the... For illegals? Yeah, let's say they be like "Oh Gunna's a snitch."
Let's do that.
We don't know their situation. Are you still going to listen to them or are you going to be like "Nah I don't play that around me."
I want to see the transcripts. The court transcripts.
Facts. That's all. You more like "I don't know that fool. I got to see his paperwork."
The transcripts yeah because everybody knows the transcripts is going to say what was said in court. Like private court hearings and shit, but they still have transcripts. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's the only way. That's the only way to get down to it.
And if he a rat, you're not listening to him no more.
But then also, you don't know what's being done behind closed doors as far as Thug and Gunna. Because I know back then, like I've heard about, okay, people get... It's like a group thing. We're going to let him tell on him type of shit. Whatever. We're going to take care of him. Whatever. Oh, yeah, Yeah, so we don't... That's behind. They're not going to, you know what I mean? They ain't going to spread that. They're going to fuck up the legal shit. Yeah. Ain't no telling.
Yeah.
I'm not them, so I don't know. The guy speaks now, he open about it. He has- Yeah,
he don't care.
Yeah.
He on podcast, psyched by like, I'm ready. He's a clown, bro. He's a clown. He's a clown. He entertainment. He crazy. Yeah, that's how I look at it, bro.
Entertain motherfuckers.
I'm like, bro, it's all entertainment. It's all, I don't know any of them, so. I don't believe everything you do. I jam to who I jam to. I just listen to the music. But some people really take that serious. They like, man, we ain't messing with them no more. People just losing off the internet. Yeah, that's what it be. But I already packed. Hey, man, it was good kicking it with you, brother.
You too.
Again, bro, I just wish you the best. Gonna keep on looking out for you and everything that you got going. And yeah, man, hopefully everything works out well. you know we could do a follow-up interview with something like that and that'd be cool oh you'll be on your ceo stuff by that time and hopefully we'll have a i'll have my own studio and we just like this doing that yeah yeah yeah if i can't bring a drink in here you tell me at the door now no we're gonna have a drink we're gonna have a drink bro i probably had to drink
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so this is the third coast podcast episode one it's your boy q san antonio we got my boy pac-man in the building how you doing brother what up what up though i'm doing all right represents paranoid records so paranoid records all day every day no records yeah keep another blind so i just want to say bro first and foremost i've been a fan of your music uh just started this year bro i ain't gonna lie i ain't gonna sound like i've been jamming to you i've been knowing who you was for a minute uh just because I've been around the music scene and stuff in San Antonio. I'm familiar with Paranoid Records, but it's just a few months ago, I think it was where I hung out, popped up on my YouTube. I just kept seeing it, kept seeing it, kept popping up, kept popping up. So I'm like, man, it keep popping up, bro. I got to click on it. And I was like, I know he from San Antonio. Let me click. Let me see what's up. I clicked on it, bro, instantly, bro. The beat, hook, while I hung out. Everywhere you go, it's a drug house. yeah i'm like man like this right here this is it the only other artist who gave me that feeling was uh rp yonzo oh um yeah bro yonzo um it's just something about artists like y'all bro like there's a lot of rappers right now in san antonio who doing their thing shout out to everybody i'm not doing no diss or nothing like that but when it comes to like the real like authentic like you watch the video just chopping it up with you you could tell you a real and there's not a lot of real in the game i appreciate it and before i met you just listening to your music and putting other people onto your music chilling with the homies and who this is oh it's pac-man he from san antonio will go hard you know what i'm saying like everybody else feels it too um so i guess we could start off the interview bro like who Who influenced you? What got you into the music game? Was it artists from San Antonio, artists from Houston or outside? Who was your influences? What got you into rapping?
For sure, artists from San Antonio. My brother, he was rapping back in 2000, 1999. And my uncle, Rudy DeLuna, we call him Uncle Frank nowadays. But long story short, he's deep in the game too. He used to manage for Amanda Pettis. A lot of people, like you know a lot of big names so I got a taste of both sides. But yeah people from San Antonio bro sweet pea from back in the day. You do? You sweet pea?
Yeah because I got family who is in the game. My older brother Chase. I think you know Chase. We'll get to that later in the interview. But yeah my brother been in the game too and so a lot of San Antonio like I'm familiar with a lot of names in San Antonio and a lot of like people who connected with people and stuff like that.
Yeah, but definitely San Antonio, bro, influenced me big time and shit before outside.
Okay. Hell yeah. That's what's up. That's what's up. So what was like... Because a lot of people who not from San Antonio... Because the majority of the people I chill with born and raised from the city, but I do got friends who I've met from Houston. You know, I got homies from Florida, homies from New York. A lot of people don't really know San Antonio like that. How would you describe your upbringing in San Antonio? Let us know the hood you grew up in. What was your upbringing like? What made you become Pac-Man? What were some of the obstacles you had to overcome?
Shit, really, San Antonio was just like everybody else, man. Except what I learned is we're too diverse as far as racial and views and shit. We're too diverse for it. There's not enough unity. That's what I believe. And everywhere else, yeah, you have... a majority race somewhere you know i'm saying either black white or mexican they're gonna be majority even more than that facts but i mean it comes down to really i'm from the southwest any creek anybody don't know yeah paranormal records you know what it is yeah yeah but look um i moved around a lot all the way to the west that's why we say yarns like we know a lot of same people we're locked in with the same people free vick and It just comes down to, bro, I moved around a lot. Bad family, you know what I'm saying? I'm not going to call it bad family, but unstable family. You can move around, you know what I'm saying? I think if you can stay in your hood for all your life, then you have a stable family. That's my upbringing. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But shit, yeah, we're just like everywhere else. We're just like everywhere else except we haven't had that unity yet.
Yeah, I mess with San Antonio, bro. The way I... Because a lot of people be like, "Ah man, Santonio boring." or san sony ain't lit like where i'm from i'll be like nah bro me growing up here i'm like bro san sony lit san sony a city where you gonna get what you're looking for like if you just want to work and go home and live a normal life you can do that but like if you're looking for like you want to turn up and party and look somebody at you there's somebody don't do that you want to be in some street stuff that's there too like i always tell people not san sony a city where like a lot of stuff it might not be like it's talk about or is in your face like other cities but like I mean it's poppin here Santa from for me my upbringing the sants on your lid like I got good memories bad memories but you know but uh so like when do you start rapping like I know who was talking about your influences and stuff but like when like how long was you rapping like did it start at a young age or was it something just recent that you jumped into or is it something you've been doing for like forever forever man forever like like
I said my older brother he was eight years When he was a teenager, I was eight, nine, on the bike with him, in the hood, doing all the shit that they're doing. They teenagers. You know what I mean? Yeah, I was already on the mic by the time- Your little brother tagging along wanting to- Oh yeah, literally tagging along. Whatever. Everything you can think of, bro. But yeah, I influenced Young by the time I was 10, 11. I was already on the mic playing around and shit. Yeah.
Was you riding at 10, 11? Were you riding, freestyling, or both?
Both, really. Both. Yeah, both. It depends. Yeah, it depends on everything. But yeah, both. And I started writing and getting locked up a lot. I started writing more and more.
That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. So you got more, I guess you said got more familiar with your pen and writing rhymes behind the wall and stuff like that?
Yeah.
Okay, okay. That's what's up. That's what's up. One thing about you, bro, is like, and I don't hate on the new style because I made music too and I play with it. And the way to go is like you find a fire beat, right? And then you just say whatever on there. Like that's how and that's how a lot of artists record music. One thing I noticed about you that's dope and you could tell like you come from like you listen to like old school music and stuff. Like you have like a fire hook. It's new but like when I say it's like oldest because it has the fire hook and then your verses you're always talking about something. Like everything you say like every rhyme is about something. Like, you're not just talking. You know? Like, you're not just talking about, I got a bad bitch. No, like, you telling the story. Like, you know what I mean?
Can't help it.
Like, you telling stories. So, like, have you always been, like, that deep when it comes to your rhymes? Or did that start more when you was getting locked up and going through life experiences?
I guess probably the first song I wrote that I ever wrote, it was about what I had going on at the time. And I was a teenager, and I was on monitor in the free world and shit. But I do both, man. I do both, really. I do get it talking about, you know what I'm saying? What you said? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do every now and then got to show your ass.
But you've been painting the picture, though. You know how to paint a picture. Like, every lyric that you always talk, or like you say something in a song, where I'll be like... who he talking about like you were doing that around when you started acting funny and because i really listened and i'm like i know exactly what i'm talking about then i like when you thought i got the bad telling me they love me man he'd cheat on you she'd be mad at you for cheating but do the same thing like you'd be saying stuff and i'm like yo this spitting like and then yeah and i'll be listening i'm like bro like a lot of rappers don't do that where you listen like they might say something about some money and like "Okay, that's cool," or say something about hitting a chick. It's a lot of detail in your raps. I think that's really dope, bro.
I try to pay attention to detail and not say too much detail at the same time. I don't like to say names. I don't like to disrespect no victims. I don't like to do none of that shit because it's deep. You know what I'm saying? But on another note, it's like an artist separating an artist from their own art. It's kind of hard. So I'm just putting myself in there because I know it's going to outlive me. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, one day, if you know about it, you know about it. If you don't, you don't. Yeah, yeah.
Whoever going to catch it, going to catch it. They're going to be like, oh. They're going to laugh. The homies. Yeah, the inside circle. They're going to laugh. Like, nah, he said that. Like.
Not everybody knows everything. You know what I'm saying? But that's what it is.
That's a good way to keep it, bro. Nowadays, I feel like we're living in a time where everybody want to see everything, want to hear it, like, want to know everything about you. you know do your thing with the music have your fan base whatever and put it in your music but you don't gotta be all up you know like you you be working hard i see just your whole is just straight music anything i see on your profile is it's all it's music it's the video uh then like any other year because i ain't gonna lie you was doing your thing you would pop up on my but like i feel like this year you really been what's the reason be is there a reason behind you going so hard or who put a battery in your back or what happened it's kind of a sad thing i try to stay positive because this is the year man this is the year where i might not come back okay
that's the same okay you know what i'm saying long story short this is a year where i might not come back okay and god forbid that happen but it is what it is even got some bad news today but You know what I'm saying? We here trying to keep pushing P.
Always.
Yeah, but it's going to outlive me. as long as the internet's there, I'm there. My music's there. Even my boy Izzy locked up. He caught some of my songs that wasn't on. You know what I'm saying? People start coming to advice. When they start hitting the systems, they be coming to advice like, how'd you get your music on here? Because even in the feds, there's nobody from San Antonio in there. I am now. It cost me about $400 or $500. I lost about $400 or $500 already on it, but I'm in there now. oh so that's on so whenever they get like the the computer and they could be like jamming out yeah you can buy my stuff oh they got your stuff yeah and i looked up everybody bro blake everybody our question our kylie i looked up everybody i could think of man and i couldn't find nobody for samsung but pac-man is on there yeah there's somebody locked up somebody from san antonio like hey bro check out pac yeah they could listen to you doing that yeah i still talk Yeah, man. It's going to outlive me. As long as the internet's there, my music's there, that's why I keep pushing. I spend a lot of my free time. Most of my free time. Hey,
brother. I wish the best for you, bro. I really do, bro. And you real talented. And one thing I will say is like that, the time we living in right now, that internet will keep you live. And you know, like people like me who are supporters, we're going to keep that alive. Man, I appreciate it. Nah, bro. Like that's real nigga shit, bro. Like yeah, Boy, shit. Y'all show me. on some real on some real stuff though because the time we're living in like you mentioned izzy bro and i know y'all got a track together that uh that tracks fire i forget the name of it but um that we got a few we got a few no but there's that there's one that uh who who did the ones who didn't get caught still ain't got caught yeah that one's fire but um uh you and izzy are because y'all from the are y'all from the same neighborhood same area cover street's over type okay okay so did you been knowing him for like a good minute i've been watching him
him and him and his other age group like i was keeping contact with the youngsters okay when you started making a name for yourself i was out before i went to yeah before i went to state no before i went to the feds when i started you know he dropped his first video and it was a free easy video it's funny freezy i remember one yeah yeah yeah yeah but that one was like that one was like kind of like a hood yeah some hood stuff i remember when i three came out it was different you know what i'm saying i guess 93 was my little partner this and I understood. Everybody know any Cree I see. And you know what I'm saying? He was just part of them. I never...
You never really... Yeah, yeah. But that's his generation. Yeah. Like, you just kind of seen him coming up.
My little partner, yeah. Bing, Sir, John, everybody that stay in the age group and shit.
Yeah. That's what's up. Yeah, bro. I ain't gonna lie. Like, it seem like a lot of the fire that comes out of San Antonio come from the Cree. Like, or from like the South. Like, West. It's like, y'all... Man. So, like, it's like you... So, you like, you got Izzy, Lil A, and all them.
Yeah.
and they be doing they thing then you got you yeah and then you you be doing your thing but you you say you move around a lot but i know you represent like in your music and stuff you shout out the creek so and then it's a lot of people bro like are they either from the creek or the south side really he's outside that's outside though so you know like that whole area right now is like
on fire bro how do you feel seeing like all the san antonio artists getting shine bro i love it bro i love it especially because i you know back i'm 33 years old right now yeah so when i was growing up like teenagers going hit juvenile oh i'm from the southwest black man what they look at you like bro he's from the south of the west southwest not the same time yeah yeah but now you know they know about us you know what i'm saying they know about us it's beautiful it makes me happy to see that bro because it's like we're kind of far away from from west and south type
Yeah.
But it's good to see everybody shining.
Nah, yeah. It's fire, bro. To me, when I see Hoodlum and R&B 4 Mob on those jumpers and stuff like that, I'm like, bro. It's so dope to me, bro. And then I'm a big hip hop artist. Then my mom too, the reason why I love hip hop so much is my family, my parents' hip hop heads. My older brother was in the hip hop game. So my whole generation, I share stuff with my mom, bro. My mom in her 60s. But I'll send her a video like, hey, check this interview out. Real kick it out. Yeah, yeah. He from like when I dropped this one, I showed her your stuff and I'm going to show her this interview too. And she supports. She's like, I like him. He real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mom's a writer for real. But yeah, bro. It makes me excited, dog, when I see like a lot of the fools from San Antonio doing their thing. Because I remember there used to be a time when I used to look at San Antonio like, why we don't get no shine, bro? Like everybody look at Houston. Everybody look at Dallas. Why they don't look at us? For a long time, bro, they didn't look at us. Why you think that was?
Yeah, because the unity, we don't got the numbers. We got numbers, but we're all separated by so many different views and races and factions. Like I was saying a little while ago, that's why. Because we don't have the support for each other to start in order to gain. There's power in numbers. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
My bad. Go ahead. Go ahead.
And I'll say we can do what we can, but it's the culture here.
Yeah.
And it's the diversity. It's our culture here full of hate.
Yeah, it is. do you feel like like because this is how i felt and this is like just me seeing it it's like a few it's like a lot of people who humble but like one thing i did notice like whenever somebody there would always be because like right now it's popping and i feel like how you said the unity you know what i mean like like the i'm seeing more unity but for a minute it seemed like a rapper would get big in san antonio and it would just be that one rapper one every now and then just one and that one he do his thing but he wouldn't really like mess with the people like that who we talking about i'm not gonna put no you're telling me i'm confused that's all i know but but like i seen like for a minute before like all like with the izzy's and all y'all like it seems like it's more unity people collabing together but for a minute there was no rappers from san antonio like popping and then like and he have a name for himself oh he never for the people then for the beginning with i'm not gonna say no names so he really not popping up he's really not on the he not on the map but for many he got a buzz and it wasn't really like showing it was just all like i'm the the top dog and everybody else is just you know what i'm saying now you feel like a lot of that but you you feel like a lot of that would go on too like in the city or like did you ever like see any of that
seen that yeah yeah like they try to call them gatekeepers and all kinds of right that's yeah yeah yeah yeah popping it it's just like this is the guy for santonio and then it'd be like ah but there's other guys for san antonio and like you know what i mean don't like he don't really show love or like if you in order to do it like he not reachable he's scared
he probably just scared really really honest yeah don't be scared like you reach your people you could talk And like I seen artists who kind of like they get a buzz in the city and they kind of like...
Hit their chin up. Yeah, yeah.
They just feel like they the... And I won't say no names but I just seen it and I'm just all like, "Man why you gotta be like that bro?" You know what I'm saying? Like we got love for you, we support you but um...
Who knows what they got going on though. But that's true too, yeah. What's going on because like I probably been like that with some people not intentionally but it was because you had no idea what the fuck I had going on. Facts. You know what I'm saying? you know react but no for real i have seen some like that i think i've low-key probably been done like that too right yeah up and coming the guy's a little higher than you trying to show something look you're not understanding how the game works yes i'm over here thinking you know it's free yeah yeah yeah yeah so
uh one of my favorite songs from you is i can't tell yeah that Flippin' Black and I Can't Tell. I'm going to go Flippin' Black though. We'll get to Flippin' Black. But I Can't Tell and Where I Hung Out, they got Liveola on there. Oh,
they do. Yeah, both of them do.
What's your relationship with Liveola? Because that's a legend.
I know he's a legend. Shout out to Liveola, man. He's live. That's Barbara Johnson.
Liveola.
Yeah, man. I love you, boy. Shit, I looked up to him young. He knows me since I was a little, little kid. He just didn't realize it.
Oh, okay, okay. Yeah,
he didn't realize it. I used to look up to him, you know what I'm saying? We knew the same people. I'd see him constantly. But, you know, I was a kid. They didn't realize the type of shit I was into already. But once we locked in and his people knew, you know, bring me gifts, whatever. He stopped charging me for anything. He got me for a feature. You know what I'm saying? It was just, he didn't realize how locked in we really was. But that's a big bro, man. Me and him, I had a situation in the city one time with another rapper. And we talked on the phone for like two hours.
about it because he's just like me i'm just you know what i'm saying we just we just like each other and yeah he's a mentor too bro that's a good dude that's what's up yeah it's a good yeah la vola was somebody that i know everybody like i mess with kylie i mess with a lot of the legends third degree all that uh that's my boda yeah mark g it's marco boda and i'm programmed to rick and i gratitude that i was bumping the crunch time when i was in high school that's So that's what I was jamming to too Like growing up Those were the legends Yeah yeah But really it was La Vola La Vola was really dope That was everybody I mean really That's all the streets That's really like the streets Yeah Yeah The college in them was cool But like La Vola was like The hood That's what like It was bumping I was kicking it with fools Who was older than me
Doing stuff I ain't supposed to And that's what they listening to Yeah yeah yeah Mark G too though That's a good That's a good one too
So Flippin' Black, bro. What got you to get in that booth and just start chanting that? What else you think, man?
Shout out Bruce Wayne. Yeah, my nigga Bruce Wayne. Bro,
when I first heard that, hey bro, I played that song religiously. I still play it, but like when I first heard it, I was playing it overs and overs. And then when we did the show, and I was singing, I was chanting that, bro, because like I bump it in the car. my girl be like you jamming to this again i said yeah we jamming to this again like we're gonna jam it again and i'm like i'm gonna keep jamming it but it's because bro like i don't know i was jamming to you and then um it just came on it's not a song that i picked it just came on because i can't so you know how the youtube does the algorithm it just plays the next song and i'm happy for that so it's playing the songs and it's playing all the songs that i've been listening to i'm hearing i can't tell where i hung out whatever then the beat just kicks in and i just hear flipping black flipping flipping flipping black and i said what i said no he didn't and i said okay bro now that song right there one of the five songs when you make that song where was you at and like do you did you know that like that song was gonna be like when you make songs do you know it's gonna be fire man are you just messing around having fun and then
Man, if I could be honest with you, my process, bro, is a pain in the ass, man. This song I got called Mission Abort that's been doing some numbers recently. That's like the second or third beat that I do that song to. Like, I did the first verse. Yeah. And even SGB Money and KD hop on that song. Shit, I ended up taking them out because I used that beat. I found that beat instead. And I like the way that one sounded. I hit him up and said, hey, I'm going to do it on this beat.
Okay. You're a more complicated artist. Yeah, man. You go back and listen to something and be like, nah, I want to do this on this beat.
Then I try it on this beat. Different chant, different tone, different speed. Man, I just, you know what I'm saying? It's the words that will switch too. It's just, you know what I mean? Throwing a bunch of paint on the wall trying to figure something out.
I know artists like that. Yeah. My cousin does music like that. See, that's a real artist, I think. Yeah.
He make it to where he can't make it no better. Not to where you make it as good as you can, no. Until you can't see no way better.
That's how he is. And I tell him like, because it's good. Because, nah, I don't know. I'm just going to leave it alone. And then he'll be sitting on so much music. And I'll be like, bro, you need a drop. You got a drop song? He'll be like, nah, well, I think this verse right here, I'm going to put it over here. And I'm like, what are we doing? My cousin's like that. And I'll be getting mad because I'm the type who whenever I would do music, record and I'm like, "Alright it's done. Now let's shoot a video." My cousin he like that though. He real like, "Nah bro we gotta..." I think this would sound better on this beat. I think this hook would sound better over here. And I'm like, "Bruh this is crazy though." But when it comes out, it's like, "Man okay you knew what you was talking about." Like it's crazy how...
Yeah that's how I am too man. That Flippin' Black, I was at Paranormal Records shit up in there. I said something in that song too. I had help too. Nothing I had to deal with myself. I record myself, engineer myself over there all the time.
Oh yeah?
Yeah, yeah. I be in the booth, yeah. Doing everything from there. But my boy Bank, Bank of Valley was there and shit. He knew what Leave it to Beaver was. I didn't. Yeah.
I knew I wanted to use it. So you don't want to poke y'all with that line?
Yeah, I was like, who is it? He was like, Leave it to Beaver and shit. He was like, that's cool and shit. Then I was like, what is that? Tell me about it. Off of his idea, that's how I went off on how to use it.
That's your boy Bank, bro. Leave it to Beaver. He got one of my favorite lines. What? I can't tell.
The RCO1?
The RCO1 line. That's not just my favorite verse, that's like, even when I'm kicking it with the homies, we drinking, we're doing what we do. Well, I couldn't wait till the day to come, they called the RCO1. So when I seen him at your show that one time, I seen him, he was at the bar doing his thing, I went up to him. It was before you got there, he was dope, bruh. And he's there. I go up to him. He looking at me like, who are you? I said, I just got to tell you one thing. And he like, what? And I spit the verse to him. He started laughing. Where he go? He's telling the bartender. He like, that's me right there. That's me. You heard what he said? He was trying to give me money and stuff.
he he was like hey they call me big bank and he started i was like now you good i just want to show you love be like nah i'm big bank bro i appreciate i'm gonna pay you that i'm like no you're good yeah everybody has a love language like touch or gifts you know what i'm saying that boy he's trying to get because he loved that's just him telling you he loves you man i could imagine what it means to him because i know him i know him really well yeah you know that's my brother right there man yeah he appreciate that from here
where we at hey so sarky because y'all was on a little run for a minute it seems like a lot of y'all songs that y'all did y'all did together and like y'all had y'all y'all together y'all three bro like y'all like a dream team bro like y'all be making some bangers bro i'm not gonna lie but i can't tell dead or in prison like y'all got a few that like smack bro like it's like i feel like all three y'all like was that like gonna be like a thing y'all were going for like a group thing or was it
y'all just for every boy like i said i talked to sharky a couple times today already bang i caught him right before we put another yeah talking about it yeah because i seen the area i'm like oh i know where we at we we by the air boy yeah yeah that's the neighborhood you know like i was happy yeah my voice be cracking when i get excited i don't give yeah yeah anyway um but yeah we we just boys you know what i mean we're just boys and we all folk the music
and we just jump in there sometimes one of us gets to shine on yeah i mean yeah y'all do your sting bro y'all be killing it like and every song is one of y'all that it's like he had the like you know like bank at the rc on one verse yeah there's something in the end of it and then then you you got like so like uh so like i'm a fan of yours but like And then I've checked out Melo too, some of his stuff by himself too. Because he got like a few- Oh, Malo. Malo's shirt, yeah, my bad. But Malo, I don't really listen to his music like that. I should check him out more, but I've heard some of his stuff.
That boy put money behind his- Yeah, yeah. Bando videos.
Yes, see, and I seen him too before, bro. That's what I'm saying. I've been seeing y'all like you kept popping up on my- It's weird how it happened because you kept popping up on my YouTube. Instagram and Facebook at Sazh, flexing with his gold. So then it makes me like, let me check these boys out, man. They making noise, bro. Like they got to be doing, if they keep popping up on my internet, they got to be doing something. But so bro, one of the songs that I was there for, bro, or your last video shoot, Not For The Public. Now when we were shooting the video, I wasn't like, I was listening, I was hearing the song, but I wasn't really listening to the song. I'm hearing the hook, I'm like yeah this shit live and I'm vibing we shooting the video. But when I really, when the song drop, I listen, I've watched the video and I'm listening to it. Bro you spitting game on there bro.
Yeah talking about CD.
You spitting, I felt every word you said.
See what I'm saying? Relate.
Every word you were saying, hey man sometimes what people do in private, Hey bruh, you be on that Play-A-Time or what?
That Play-A-Time? I ain't been on Play-A-Time since I was a teenager.
So you more of a...
I be more of a P first. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
But yeah, not since I was a kid bro. I hold out. Man, we ain't gonna get into that. It ain't for the public. It's not for the public.
Yeah. Hell yeah. So, hey, so I was going to tell you this is I was going to bring up. So one thing I didn't know and it's crazy how the world's so small, bro. So I've been doing my research. I was studying you before I sat with you as you should. And I was looking at your Instagrams and stuff like that. And I seen that you was did you drop? I don't know. I didn't keep track, but I know you share one of your song. It was like a song that you was dropping. I shared it. it was like more of a it seemed like it was more of like a softer joint okay i think it was that was dedicated to your uh my daughter daughter yeah stop everything i'm doing stop it yeah yeah drop that all right yeah okay okay i need to go back i just remembered when you was previewing it and i was sharing it and stuff and i was like my boy working but i was listening to a little bit of the words um
what's pac-man as a father like what's that like you're gonna have to go ask her Not existing for prison time, man. I was just with her earlier, you know what I'm saying? I'm a full-time father first, you know what I'm saying, type shit. Not full-time, actually, but she was living with me recently. That'll get too technical, but anyways.
Yeah,
yeah. I take her to school every day and I pick her up from school every day. I see her twice a day. We spend time and shit. Make sure she eat, you know what I mean? If a friend need a ride, catch a ride, go pick whatever, you know what I mean?
That's what's up,
man. But, shit. I think every relationship is different. Every relationship is different. You know, me as a father, I'm a different kind of father because we had a different kind of life. You know what I mean?
I tell Weech, if she opens up to me about things that you wouldn't think a daughter would ever tell her father.
Well, honey.
Openly and proudly, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because I ain't going to lie to you, dad. Woo, woo. You know what I mean? I ain't going to lie to you either.
But that's probably because you kept it so real with her. Yeah, yeah. Like you was in front of her.
I ain't going to lie to her about nothing.
I feel like that's the best relationship. I'll tell people like, because like, so like I grew up in my family and I grew up with uncles in and out of prison. Yeah,
yeah, yeah.
Or, you know, cousins. Those are going to be the people that... When I'm going through something, I'm going to go talk to them. I'm not going to talk to my mom and dad because they're more squares and they're going to get mad at me or they're not going to understand me the way... Do you feel like that's... Yeah. Do you feel like she's more comfortable with you? Because you've been through some stuff, so you keep it real with her, she keep it real with you, vice versa. It's just a good relationship like that.
Yeah, I guess she knows how I'm coming.
Yeah.
Especially behind her, you know what I'm saying? I got to prove it, I prove it. no you know question every time she needs me i'll be there i might be late sometime but i'll be there i would check if it's an emergency or not you don't see if it is i drop everything bro go it's 100 man yeah and uh is she bumping your music is she she is she like right there's only one song i guess i have i talked about her hella music she can't keep up with him yeah but uh there's It's not on my channel. It's on my boy Big Kree's channel. He did that video for me. Kree 21st
Century. I'm familiar with Kree.
Shout out Big Kree. He been there for me since I was a teen, bro. That was the big homie little bit.
So we know a lot of the same people, bro.
I was on the mic pass and shit too from back then. Yeah,
I already know. Yeah. So I was going through the Instagram, right? Like, let me see if there's something I catch. You actually got a video of me when I was rapping. For real? Oh, I was scrolling through your stuff. For real? It was at the Kings of Texas car show. At the time, me and my nephew had a group car get rich gang. My older brother Chase was managing us. And we did, it was a three set. We shared a set with the Versace boys and Fable Yayo.
Okay, okay.
It was us. Then the Versace boys went. then fable yayo was like them because this is when fable yayo was like popping um so like 2017 type she's like
20
2017. he's on the run there yeah and it was he just takes his car show and i seen the video he was like recording us and i was all like i'm going and then because i see me and then i pass through the video that i'm like hold up it looks familiar and then it was me i'm right and i'm like well yeah bro you got a whole and it's me performing i i it was a song called go and you recording. And it was at the Kings of Texas. But I thought that was dope. Then another thing, so I'm promoting the interview. Interview with Pac-Man and I'm promoting the videos and stuff. And then Flaws hits me up from the Versace boys.
Yeah, my cousin.
Yeah, I know that. Those are like big bros, him and mez. He tell me, he go, hey bro, you interviewing Pac? He's like, that's my cousin. I said, like... cousin cousin he's like yeah like that's my blood cousin bro i was all like what so it's a small world my aunt is they grandma that's crazy yeah yeah my older brother went to school with uh mess john f kennedy okay they used to be in a rap group together called say town's finest back in the day but yeah man well i've been around the versace boys and stuff like that but yeah i just thought that was crazy i was like oh snap we'd be not the same people i like what flaws are doing nowadays
You know what I'm saying? He was always the one taking it like the...
back burner when it came to that shit you know it's messy no right yeah messy messiest but yeah yeah but yeah those big bros they had they they had a little run for they had they they i love them i love them but flaws is definitely doing this thing with the podcasting the bfr podcast
funny i know i ain't really seen how funny he was no he's funny as hell bro he used to piss me off when y'all hear that where you be pounding a lot you never know what somebody going through right you know saying so we end up around each other and now i have a whole bunch of other on my head that i'm about to go take care of and they over here joking and like that like man away from me yeah
y'all play too much yeah play too much i'm on some serious right there yeah i started because when he was doing the versace boys thing like i had like a certain image of them i didn't I had like an image, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then when he started doing the podcast and then I got him on, well, I think I've been having them on Facebook, but I'm paying attention. I don't know if I'm paying attention to him more or if he's posting more, but he just be posting some crazy stuff. He'd be making me laugh. I don't know who that too. I mean, he don't got no filter, bro. He just be saying some wild stuff.
What did he say recently? He said something recently that made me laugh too.
I can't even keep up with it. Earlier this week, he said something. He was like, I was picking up my kid from school. It was my wife and then I don't know you just say some stupid he just be saying dumb stuff but yeah flaws fun yeah flaws is funny but um yeah I went to school with a lot of they people too because I went to John F Kennedy so a lot of yeah a lot of their little homies is like cool with me.
What middle school you went to?
Brentwood.
Brentwood.
So I moved back and forth because I'm from north central but the my family from the west side. the schools i went to were on the west side i went to rand for a little bit oh you went to rand that's why i asked because you went over there uh yeah i bounced around like two yeah what's up with west side yeah i was north central and west side out back and forth but the west side like all my tia stayed there my grandma's everybody stayed on the west side that's my mama she ain't never leaving the west side she said well my family South side, west side. Back in the day, everybody was on the west side, but I got some cousins and stuff who stay on the south now. But we the only ones in North Central. It's funny because my parents moved us to North Central to get away from the west side. Because the west side was hood. And supposedly back in the day, North Central was actually decent. But me growing up in North Central, it's the same shit. It's really the same shit.
It's just the inner side? Yeah. I'm like,
that's the same shit. I don't know what they moved over here for. Same stuff going on. But I seen you too, bro. You was doing the t-shirts.
Yeah, that was my lawyer.
What does it say? Let us be free. Let us live. Let us live. Let us live. Yeah.
Live with the law.
Yeah. What does that mean to you?
Shit, I made that shit myself.
Yeah, what?
It's because it was a benefit sale to help pay for my lawyer.
Oh, okay.
I got the project right now. Yeah, so that's what it was.
So then you make the shirts.
Yeah, send them home. I got a bunch of them in the whip right now.
Okay, okay. So that was like something for your situation. Yeah. I feel like that resonates though with the time we live in there. Just because you got the Donald Trump stuff going on, Mexicans being deported. You know what I mean? You just got a lot of foul stuff.
Leave with the Pokemon.
Yeah. When I saw it, that's what I was all like, that's a powerful message. You know what I mean? That you being a Mexican artist and stuff, I thought that was dope. I didn't know it was more personal, but it makes sense now. You know what I mean?
But nah,
for real, but they don't be letting people live, bro. I agree. Hell nah,
they kill too many people. I know. They almost smoked me when I was 15 with my face broken and shit. My bad. We're supposed to be on some positive.
Nah. Hey, bro, this your story, bro. I mean, we positive so far, but that's a part of your story. You know what I mean? And you know what? There's not everything. Even though there's a lot of sunlight, we still got rainy days. You feel me? So, I mean, that's a part of your story. Rob Markman: You talk about that though too in your music, like in Flippin' Black. I think you said it's like- Lil Pride. Rob Markman: Hot in the Lil Pride. You talk about that situation.
My boy. Rob Markman:
Yeah, that right there. And that's another example of like, you be talking about telling stories bro. So when you sitting down writing your raps, you just be like, "It's just coming to you."
That one I didn't write.
Oh, that's another...
That one I didn't write a punch in on that one no time.
Oh, okay, so you just punched? Okay.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
It's natural, you know what I'm saying? Natural to say what... That's what you feel. That's why whenever you said about me and Yon, about the little difference, I think it's because not certain things come out of certain people's mouths. When certain things come out of somebody else's mouth, you're like, oh, you know, not too many people are going to say those certain words or certain things. I don't know if it's the lingo or what, but you know, it says a lot about somebody. What somebody says or what somebody asks, it says a lot about them more than they think. I think that's what that factor is, bro. I can't help it, but just call it how I see it.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah. So what's the future of Pac-Man? Would you see like...
Fuck if I don't know right now. I ain't gonna lie.
Well, besides like the situation you're going through and we hoping for the best. So, you know, we hoping for the best. So I'm hoping no matter what you go through, you're going to chin up. You know what I'm saying? You're going to go right through it. You're going to come out of it a stronger person. You still going to be a real nigga.
Every time.
So when you get through this situation, you come back, you start doing... Like in the future, bro, like what you see, what's the future that you want? Like what's your goal with this? With this whole thing that you got, your whole movement that you've created? Because whether you know it or not, you've created like... You have a big catalog too. That's one thing about you. A lot of the rappers in San Antonio, they got like a few songs, one, two projects, but you been doing music. I noticed bro, like you got projects that been out for a minute. Like you got songs that been out for a minute. Like you been doing your things. So you got like a catalog and you got people who listen to you, you know what I mean so with that bro you've created like a movement like you got something going so with this brand that you've built where do you see it going like what's the end goal like what is Pac-Man for the long term yeah long term like see I want to be in a position where I could put put the youngins on from here like we don't have we don't have we
don't have like you know like Major how you said about Dallas or Houston all that shit we don't have what they have here so my big goal is to bring that here somehow If just a little bit of money will save some little kid's life out here, bro.
That's not a fact.
If they good at rapping, you know what I'm saying? Because that's when your prime is when you start, you get your sign off, boom. I want to be able to put them in a position where they don't have to be sweating and stressing, taking them risks type shit, and do what they like to do and have fun with it. They provide for their families, you put people in positions. That's the ultimate goal for me. He signed with Pac. Oh he signed with Pac, that's what I want. That's what I want to see, yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah, go from rapper to CEO. Lil Jon:
Yeah, I can't be a rapper forever. I'm going to forever do music but I ain't trying to do rap forever. Rob Markman:
I'll be. Lil Jon: You know what I'm saying? Rob Markman: In there, maybe jump on a song with your artist when you get bored but the ultimate goal is to be the CEO. Lil Jon:
Yeah, so I can help me help you help me help you type shit. Rob Markman: Want it. Lil Jon: Yeah.
Rob Markman: Yeah. Yeah, I think that is definitely what we need in the city. That's something we need. We need more- Lil Jon: Helping hands. it seems like you see the youngsters though man with this internet they done they found a way themselves you know what i mean like i'll be looking at the talent coming up and i'm like hey like it's just because it's so easy now with like the cell phone yeah bro like it's just like it's crazy like the way the game changed like i see my brother chase my older brother chase bro like back in the day uh selling like his cds he had to go to the car shows And that's why we were at the car shows and stuff. And we was telling them, we was all like, nah, me and my nephew, I'm like, big bro, we just need to be on the internet shooting. We just need to be dropping video. And he's all like, nah, man, we got to go out there. We got to touch the people. So he's making us go on them stages at the car shows. give out our cds and sell them because that was the old school grind and he liked that old school grind it still works like that though i mean people that don't they don't know how to make music like at the nike store shit like that like stuff like that meet people in person yeah face to face i feel like that's the best way i feel like i don't know i feel like back in the day that was it was cool that but i mean the internet just changed the game it's just quicker to drop stuff yeah already um
what we got what we got you still you still good okay so you got anything uh anything else coming as far as music see i'm i'm finishing i'm wrapping up this album called surviving surviving surviving surviving yeah like surviving evolving surviving and evolving yeah it's like you better survive surviving but really you evolving yeah yeah yeah yeah i feel like in order to evolve
it's like you gotta go through something like if you don't go through nothing in life you just I feel like you really don't, like...
Yeah, you can whiff that off people too.
You don't really grow. You don't really grow. You don't go through obstacles. You don't really, like... If you don't go through nothing, bro, you just, like... I don't know. I feel like it's hard to grow if you don't go through nothing. You gotta go through things. You gotta make mistakes. You gotta, like... Because you gotta be able to look at yourself and be like, Oh man, I messed up here. Oh man, I messed up that bag. Man, I made this mistake. Now I got to go. You know what I'm saying?
It's best for the people who can learn from other mistakes. Those are the smartest ones.
Facts. Facts.
Yeah. Being able to actually take it like it's their loss. I ain't going to lie. I'm not one of them. But see.
Nah, we all learn at our own pace though. Yeah. Yeah. I'm the same way, bro. I be messing up. I be messing up, bro. I be. Recently, like this. I think it was like this week. I was. Oh, okay. I'm about to get... Yeah, yeah. I got this one right here. Well, like this week, and this is... Look, check this out. So I was supposed to go on a cleanse.
On a cleanse?
Like a cleanse, like my body cleanse. Like no alcohol, no... I don't really smoke cigarettes like that, but when I drink, I'll be needing a cigarette. But I'm like, I'm not going to drink. I ain't going to puff no nicotine. I'm not going to eat nothing unhealthy. I'm going to eat vegetables. For how long? I was going to do it for two weeks. I was going to do it for two weeks. So I'm like, yeah, I'm about to go on a cleanse. I'm just eating vegetables, fruits, drinking water. If I eat meat, it's just going to be seafood. I'm like, yeah, yeah. He said he's doing the most. So I do Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. I was good, bro. I was eating good. I was just drinking water. Then Thursday comes. I'm at work, my co-worker's like, let's go out to eat. Then one of my co-workers spants. He like, well, let's go to Cava. We could eat healthy. We could get a little healthy vegetable bowl and you get... I'm all like, all right, bet. Then my other co-workers, it's like a female I'd be kicking it with and a homie. They like, nah, let's go to El Romerio. I don't know if you've been to El Romerio. It's a lit spot, bro. It's dope. They got good barria tacos there. Yeah, so everybody's like, oh, you going? But I thought you said you was on the cleanse. Why are you trying to go over there?
I was like,
well, I'm going to get me a sushi roll because they have good sushi rolls. But I'm not going to get nothing on it. I'm going to get raw, just raw sushi. So I'm still being healthy. And they're like, you're not going to drink though? I'm like, nah. But I'm going to give me like two shots, maybe three of tequila. They're like, bro, you on the cleanse? I'm like, but tequila is healthy though. You can look it up. Tequila is good for your digestive system. Excuse me. Yeah. so i go i do that i eat a raw sushi just the raw sushi roll i did that and i drank water but i did have me three tequila shots after the tequila shots later because once i get started i can't stop so so after the three tequila shots hey fam i start my homie after work let's watch the steelers game i'm already like i had them things i'm already feeling good i'm like all right cool i'll link up with you i'm not gonna drink though because i'm on a cleanse Nah, I meet him up after work. I'm not going to drink turns into I'm just going to have one beer. One beer turns into like multiple beers. Next thing I know, your boy drunk, bro. I'm faded. I'm kicking it. Yeah, man. It happens though. But yeah, I be messing up too, bro. So what's a funny story that you could tell me, bro? You got any funny stories? Anything that happened this week? Anything that happened this month?
I got something that happened today. Today? Today, yeah. I had to think about that shit. I thought about it. I know something happened today, bro. I got to say it. My cousin Trey, so we meet her and went to go ride a helicopter today.
Ride a helicopter?
Yeah.
A real helicopter? You rode in a helicopter?
Yeah. I can show you when we done.
That's fire.
Yeah, it was cool, right? So I took him over there and... I'm doing a thing registration it says like the limit weight limits and shit so I'm trying to figure out how much we weigh. I ain't weighing myself in a minute either so we're all kind of guessing when we get there. They weigh us. When we get there, they weigh us and shit. Where we was able to go, but my cousin Trey, he's over 300. He can't go? He over 300?
He over 300.
Is Trey... My R.D. Trey, he a rapper too.
He the one who always with you, right?
Yeah, the big, my little big cousin. Yeah, Okay,
I know what you're talking about. R.D. Trey, yeah,
he was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, him.
they didn't let him on i tried to get refunded i still have trouble so he's like hey man like so did y'all write the helicopter yeah yeah okay see i just let him wait yeah right you want to wait we finna write this hell he's over there sweating bullets and he left that oh man yeah like damn to me that was funny yeah that's lit so you enjoying life man you enjoying If you don't mind me asking, when will be the date where you like, let's see.
Is that something you don't? It's still up for debate. I mean, I ain't tripping. It's like I'm really straight up. I guess I don't want to say that either. But I'm just I'm trying to get over with earlier so it is not as harsh if I wait around long and the legal process comes. Then the mandatory minimum started getting raised and raised. So it just got confirmed today that they're definitely going to raise it to a stupid number, talking about 40 years type shit. So that's like, yeah, I'm trying to get it done before that so it doesn't get there.
It doesn't get there,
yeah. Yo, I could wait. I could thug it out for the next two years out here if I can, if I want to, but I might not come back.
Yeah,
yeah. But I'm trying to get it out of the way as soon as possible so I can come back.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's kind of complicated.
Nah, nah, I feel you. Yeah. Be like that. system but uh it's just looming over me everywhere i go man yeah i'm glad i ain't had to go through nothing i've been in trouble but i had i got like probation
10 years probation i really see i'll do whatever i could to get probation right now
I never had a probation. I did like just like a year, but like in Henderson, Texas.
I know what you mean.
The ISF program thing. I did that little stuff, but that wasn't really nothing. I mean, it's jail, but I ain't never had no kids.
Okay, that's right. I got my baby. I got my baby needs.
You can do time. Yeah, yeah. It's on the same road when you have kids and stuff. It's different.
You're really doing time.
That's why. Yeah, because you're missing the family.
I ain't really care.
Then I was young, and then I was just stupid. So I was just like, I ain't really care, bro. But yeah. It be messed up, bro. But I haven't been in trouble in some time, bro. That's all I needed, bro.
Yeah.
And then after that, I chilled out. I got in trouble one more time, and then I was on house arrest for like eight months. But that was a whole nother situation. But besides that incident, I never got in trouble after that. I kind of try to stay out the way. and stuff like that. I got homeboys who be going in and out though.
It sucks, it sucks.
But hey man, it is what it is, you know what I'm saying? It's something we, some of us gotta go through it, you live in a certain lifestyle. Yeah, they come with it.
Just like, you go play football, you probably gonna get hurt a little bit. Exactly. You might lose your life too.
Yeah. But I mean, but do you know what you signing up for? Yeah,
pretty much.
Do you feel like that's one thing I want to ask you too? You feel like, what you feel like the rap game right now? Like as far as like you got like rappers who, like right now you got like 6ix9ine and stuff, like doing podcasts and like he popping again, even after everything. Then you got like the Young Thug situation. You got like stuff like that. Do you separate the artist from the music? Or do like when certain things happen with the... For illegals? Yeah, let's say they be like "Oh Gunna's a snitch."
Let's do that.
We don't know their situation. Are you still going to listen to them or are you going to be like "Nah I don't play that around me."
I want to see the transcripts. The court transcripts.
Facts. That's all. You more like "I don't know that fool. I got to see his paperwork."
The transcripts yeah because everybody knows the transcripts is going to say what was said in court. Like private court hearings and shit, but they still have transcripts. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's the only way. That's the only way to get down to it.
And if he a rat, you're not listening to him no more.
But then also, you don't know what's being done behind closed doors as far as Thug and Gunna. Because I know back then, like I've heard about, okay, people get... It's like a group thing. We're going to let him tell on him type of shit. Whatever. We're going to take care of him. Whatever. Oh, yeah, Yeah, so we don't... That's behind. They're not going to, you know what I mean? They ain't going to spread that. They're going to fuck up the legal shit. Yeah. Ain't no telling.
Yeah.
I'm not them, so I don't know. The guy speaks now, he open about it. He has- Yeah,
he don't care.
Yeah.
He on podcast, psyched by like, I'm ready. He's a clown, bro. He's a clown. He's a clown. He entertainment. He crazy. Yeah, that's how I look at it, bro.
Entertain motherfuckers.
I'm like, bro, it's all entertainment. It's all, I don't know any of them, so. I don't believe everything you do. I jam to who I jam to. I just listen to the music. But some people really take that serious. They like, man, we ain't messing with them no more. People just losing off the internet. Yeah, that's what it be. But I already packed. Hey, man, it was good kicking it with you, brother.
You too.
Again, bro, I just wish you the best. Gonna keep on looking out for you and everything that you got going. And yeah, man, hopefully everything works out well. you know we could do a follow-up interview with something like that and that'd be cool oh you'll be on your ceo stuff by that time and hopefully we'll have a i'll have my own studio and we just like this doing that yeah yeah yeah if i can't bring a drink in here you tell me at the door now no we're gonna have a drink we're gonna have a drink bro i probably had to drink
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