Dave Learns AI: So OpenClaw Basically Works While You Chill | Dave Learns AI: A Taptico Solutions Production

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In this episode, Dave, Nick and Tribble discuss the evolution of AI tools, particularly focusing on OpenClaw, a proactive AI assistant. They explore the capabilities of OpenClaw, its development process, and the implications of using AI in business. The conversation also touches on security concerns, the paradigm shift in AI development, and the future of AI orchestration.

Dave, Nick and Tribble emphasize the importance of understanding AI tools and their applications in real-world scenarios, while also highlighting the excitement surrounding the rapid advancements in AI technology.

OpenClaw is designed to be a proactive assistant, not just an automation tool. The development of AI tools is rapidly evolving, with new updates frequently released. Security is a major concern when implementing AI tools in business. Understanding how to integrate AI tools is crucial for small and medium-sized businesses.

The paradigm shift in AI allows individuals to create impactful tools from their homes. OpenClaw's capabilities include proactive communication and task management. AI orchestration will become a key skill for future professionals. The excitement in the developer community is palpable as new tools emerge. AI tools can significantly improve efficiency in business operations. Delegation to AI tools can transform how businesses operate.

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Speaker #0
This is Dave Learns AI, a Tactical Solutions podcast. I'm Dave Clapper, diving into the real-world ways AI is changing business, creativity, and how we work. No fluff, no jargon, just practical insights and experiments you can learn from right alongside me.
Speaker #1
Anyway, and that's what I told her. Well, my Santa Claus feet won't fit up there. What?
Speaker #2
You can't start a podcast like that. What?
Speaker #1
So anyway, that's when I murdered her. Oh, God, are we on?
Speaker #0
Oh, there you go. Nothing like taking the intro and just, ah. Hey, what's up? It's another edition of Dave Learns AI. Triple Dave and Nick. Hey, guys, and I just got confirmation. We're going to have our first guest next week on the podcast.
Speaker #1
Really?
Speaker #0
Who? An Atlanta legend. His name is Matt B. Davis.
Speaker #1
Oh, wow.
Speaker #0
Yeah. So Matt B. Davis, he really became an expert in the, what do you call that? It was the Warrior Dash, the Spartan Run, you know, all those. So he was like the main, like, entertainment host of all these events. The media.
Speaker #3
Oh, what was his name again? Endurance. Endurance races is what they're called. Yeah.
Speaker #0
So, you know, he and then he had a podcast called the ATL podcast, and he would interview people around Atlanta that were interesting. Nick was on his show. I've been on his show.
Speaker #3
Been on his show. I know that. OK. Yeah, I was on it twice.
Speaker #0
Yeah. So we've so we've all been on a show. So now he's going to be on our show. And one of the reasons why he wanted to come to our show is because he's seeing what we're doing and he is realizing that AI has really transformed what he does. And he's really excited about it. So when he saw that we are doing what we're doing, he's like, I want to come talk to you guys about all of this. When can I come on your podcast? So he will be our first guest.
Speaker #1
That's cool. I was on Mark Maron WTF podcast like two months ago.
Speaker #0
That was painful.
Speaker #1
It was painful. They're old friends. If anyone listening to this, if you want it, they're old friends. Anyone listening to this, though, if you're a fan of Mark Maron, WTF. Go find the Matt B. Davis episode. It's literally like a therapy between two old friends that have fallen away from each other.
Speaker #0
I don't think it's the WTF podcast, though. I think that was just the ATL podcast. I don't think more. No,
Speaker #1
he was on.
Speaker #0
Oh, really?
Speaker #1
He was on Mark Mann's. Yeah. I was like, because I subscribed. Matt B. Davis can't be the same one. But Matt was a comedian back in the day. And so he's friends with all these comedians that toured in Boston. Interesting. Yeah.
Speaker #0
Anyway, so he's going to be our guest next week. And then I think soon after that, we're going to have a guest. His name is Bobot. And we're going to talk to Bobot or about Bobot here in just a couple of minutes. But for those of you just tuning in, I'm Dave, Nick, and Tribble. We are the three of the four team members now of... Taptico Solutions. And what we do is we help companies, small, medium, large, reach their potential in marketing using AI tools. But it really has become so much more than that. And so much less about, I mean, the marketing is still very important and we create systems that'll help that marketing plan come together. But really being able to lean into cleaning up systems and creating efficiencies for businesses. All across the board is kind of where we're at now. And this podcast is about really learning new tools and how we can teach you how to utilize those new tools.
Speaker #3
Yeah, I would argue just to that point, Dave, just about us. We are definitely marketing, but you have to have the knowledge that we all have with the marketing because we all know where small and medium-sized businesses struggle in order to then. implement the tools that change people's lives, right? You can't just come in and I know all these tools. I mean, the engineers and developers know the tools, but they don't know how to really integrate and apply them to real life business situations. That's where we come in.
Speaker #1
Yep.
Speaker #0
And the cool thing is last week, if you tuned in the last week's episode, we were really excited. Well, Nick came to our L10 meeting and was like, guys, something crazy happened over the weekend. And when he brought it to us, it was called ClaudeBot. And literally in the moments between him telling us about it and our first podcast, it changed to Moltbot. And then we launched the Moltbot podcast and it was already changed to OpenClaw. So something that, you know, when we talk about the tools, the AI tools that are out there, you know, one of the things you have to be is you have to be on the forefront of knowing what is the latest, greatest. And that's one of the things that we do well. And that's definitely one of the things that Nick brings to the table is his kind of. awareness of what people are talking about. And this past week, a week and a half, it's been about open claw.
Speaker #1
All about OpenClaw. And as we all know, like the whole reason that we are doing this podcast is because none of us are coders. And we want to make AI approachable to people that need it. You know, it shouldn't be saved for the big companies that can afford an engineering team. So we're learning the AI so you guys don't have to. And true to form, I locked myself in my room for a full five days. It helped that there was an ice storm. But I might. I didn't have a gray beard before this, but now I do. But I have built our claw bot or claw, sorry, open claw. And his name is Bo bot. And he goes by Bo.
Speaker #0
So you're going to tell us a lot more about this because we need to teach people about this. But Tribble, you weren't privy to a conversation we were having with a client. And I brought up the fact that I got an email from Bo. Bo is our. our open claw bot that, that Nick has spent the last five days creating. Um, I got an email from him, um, something that he is already, um, he's already designed to do anyway. And it was a phone number. So I was like, okay, cause this is all new. Nick is behind the scenes doing his, you know, wizard of Oz stuff. He's the man. Yeah, totally. So I, I hit the phone number and it went to a Google voice and said, you know leave a message this person isn't available or whatever and i didn't leave a message well about 35 minutes later i got a text from beau saying hey i saw i missed your call um dave is there anything that you need and i was like oh my this is crazy and
Speaker #1
the only reason that that beau didn't pick up it's a google voice line that i set up i don't have the voice the 11 labs voice agent uh api tied in yet so Building this thing, it's literally like it. I made this analogy yesterday to these guys. It's like a car that's broken down, that's got all the tools, got the engine, but none of the wires are connected. And you don't know what you're doing. Hey, get this car running. That's what I'm doing. I'm painstakingly plugging in. What happens? Oh, it crashed the entire system. But I'm doing it on an old computer. No risk of breaking anything.
Speaker #3
Can we take a step back, though, and just, Nick, maybe you're the guy to do this. How, just give people, and me too a little bit, even though I have more than the average person, how does OpenClaw, basically an assistant, an autonomous assistant, how does that differ from anything else that's out there? And why is it taking the AI world by storm?
Speaker #1
Because it acts proactively. So Dave, I didn't tell it to follow up with Dave. It followed up on its own. And the only reason it took 30 minutes is because our token windows were tight, which I've since fixed. So this is where you start getting into the credits and the tokens and the different models that we're using. Sonnet 4.5 right now, because it's the mid-tier. It can still do a lot of the good reasoning with Claude. It's not Opus 4.5, but it's not the haiku either. Um, so I've actually retrained it. So we're, we're basically molding it out of clay right now. Started with a big block of clay and we're slowly molding it to be what we need it to be. Um, the voice agent side of it is, is coming. And then we're going to have hopefully a digital avatar, um, ready by next week to where he, or, um, two weeks. Um, cause Matt's on next week, but where we can actually interview Bo. So that's what we're building towards. That's our goal. I know for a fact that Instagram won't let us have an AI, like strictly AI profile, but we can, you know, we want everyone to see Bo and we want everyone to think of Bo as the fourth Taptico member, but he just happens to be virtual. So that's the, but also he's doing a lot of really good stuff for us behind the scenes. So yeah,
Speaker #0
he's already, I've integrated him into our website. So we have It was interesting because the backend system that I was using to, you know, there are a lot of like chatbots that you can integrate into a, into a website. Well, the thing is, I don't need to integrate an AI chatbot because Bo is our AI chatbot. All I needed to do is directly connect the widget of the, of the conversation directly to Bo. So it's interesting because when you're building it, it's like, okay, well, we can create an AI widget so that way we can answer the questions appropriately and create your, you know, your person. It's like, no, the person's already created, you know, like we've. We've jumped steps. And you think about just in communication and how people are utilizing like the chatbots and stuff like that. There's still people who are just using your typical AI chatbot and then trying to train him or whatever. And we kind of reverse engineered it. You know, you built the AI chatbot before I put him on the website and said, well, let's just have him answer questions if people need them.
Speaker #1
Right. And, Trouble, one more thing just to add on to. your question i made this uh analogy a while ago when we're talking about what's the difference between automation and agent so an automation is like a recipe an agent so an automation is like boil water put in spaghetti wait 10 minutes it's an sop absolutely yeah so that is what an automation is um now that's complicated in its own right an agent is more of like a grocery store where you say, hey, I want to make spaghetti tonight. Go find all the spaghetti stuff. It goes, brings back the spaghetti. OpenClaw is a chef. You say, I want spaghetti tonight. It says, oh, I'm going to go find the best spaghetti recipe that's the highest. Or even,
Speaker #3
I'm hungry. I mean, you can even take it a step further. Like, I'm hungry. Well, yeah,
Speaker #1
that screws up the analogy, Tribble. Let me finish that now. Unbelievable. That's not you're just thinking about food at this. Unbelievable. Guys, he's grinding. He's grinding. He's really handsome, and he can lift heavy things.
Speaker #0
And he works hard.
Speaker #1
He works hard. He comes in at noon, leaves at 1.30 every day. He's grinding. But But, yeah, like a chef that, like, say, yes, I'm hungry. I want spaghetti. And he says, great, I'm going to find the best spaghetti recipe. You know I'm going to create it from scratch. I'm going to find the best spaghetti. And then he goes and he prepares it. And then after he gives you the spaghetti, he comes back, what did you think about it? Oh, I didn't like this thing. Okay, great. The next time I'm going to take the paprika out or whatever. And then he'll be like, hey, I know that you like spaghetti, so you probably like Italian. Here's lasagna. Do you want to try this lasagna? And then, oh, you really like Italian, so I'm going to pair it with a wine, and then just show up tomorrow at 7 a.m., and I'm going to have an Italian breakfast for you. Like, I'd rather have Italian dinner. Okay, noted. I'll do it every night at 7 p.m. then. It's literally like that.
Speaker #3
And that's what's so crazy is you're not having the days of having to give it direction. Like, we'd all agree, especially all of us, we're involved with AI more than most everybody that we know. AI is already smarter than we are. So if we can, and what I feel like with OpenClaw, what it's done is unlocked. Now we have to get the guardrails and we'll get the guardrails in a little bit, but it's unlocked our need to give it direction with every little thing. And that opens up 24-7, 365, him being able to bow or your OpenClaw, being able to iterate. So ideate, improve, and that's, I guess, the mind-blowing thing. One thing I was going to say, what's so crazy to me, and this is where it really opened up, is it will do whatever it takes to do what you told it to do. One guy, I saw that he said, hey, I want to do whatever it takes to improve my self-development. And he gave it some parameters or whatever. But he woke up the next day with a $3,000 charge on his credit card because he hadn't applied good guardrails. And his his clawed bot had basically bought him a year long course on what it surmised was the best, best way of improving his mental health. Well,
Speaker #1
I heard that story, but his open claw bot took the course and like downloaded. This is what I heard. I don't know. Who knows? Right. There's a lot of guys out there. The engineers are trying to scare people away. So there's a lot of like that big boogeyman. Look, I gave ours. Ours doesn't have access to credit cards. So it can't spend money. Right. Right. I gave ours a safe word and we're not going to say it. But if I said, if anything comes from anyone else, a prompt injection, I told her what a prompt injection was. Any sort of malware attacks instantly asked like stranger danger back when we were kids. What's what's the safe word? And Bo knows the safe word. And if the person doesn't come back with a safe word, then he's not going to acknowledge or he's going to. Block them. So, but he's also on his own local machine. So it's, I've got him very well set up, hopefully, to not get hacked. But listen. everything's hackable your bank account is hackable bank of america got hacked um you know whatever that credit agency has got hacked all that stuff so yeah and i wasn't saying that to scare people i was just saying that wow if you give them you know carte blanche to do whatever that's why you do have to make sure it's on a local computer because they're gonna do whatever it takes fine logins fine emails
Speaker #0
it's just it's mind-blowing so one of the things that i've noticed a lot about just the speed of what's happening with technology in the AI world. And, you know, even just three months, four months ago, we're talking about AGI and they're like, oh, it's, you know, it's still a year off or whatever. And seeing the capabilities of what this one person created, one person created this program, this OpenClaw. It is open source for those who don't know. And it is, which means it, well, number one, it's free. And number two. There are now a bunch of coders who have jumped in and said, well, we want to help make it even better. So there are a bunch of people jumped in, coded it, whatever. But I saw something where because now this thing is taking off that the ones that have the billions of dollars in their pockets are now going to focus their energies on something very similar. So now that somebody's created. Now, it's very easy for somebody to cut and paste, and that could be Anthropic or OpenAI or Grok or somebody, you know, in that world who's going to say, all right, well, we're going to take this. Now, we're going to take it mainstream because right now, you're ahead of the curve, Nick, in the sense of this is just bubbling under for, you know, not, I don't want to say the nerds, but I mean, listen, this isn't somebody that, this isn't something that I could just jump in and figure out.
Speaker #1
I couldn't. But, of course, I'm super cool.
Speaker #0
Well,
Speaker #1
I don't know.
Speaker #3
And he hasn't slept in 96 hours, but, you know.
Speaker #1
I got a new haircut because I was told I looked like I was homeless. Hold on. I want to make it clear. No,
Speaker #0
that had nothing to do with your haircut. I even told you. I know. That was a callback.
Speaker #1
Callback joke. Good. It's nice. It's good hair. Thanks. It is a slog to learn it. I will not beat around the bush. A lot of the stuff that we're learning, obviously, we have a good foundation because we've been neck deep in this stuff for a while. So we know what all the things are. And we've got a lot of reps when it comes to prompting. So using tools like Manus, yes, it's easy. It's easy for us. It's not easy for someone that isn't savvy with AI and doesn't know what a prompt is. So we have to make sure that we understand that what's easy for us is not easy for everyone else. And I know that, and I'm saying that OpenClaw is hard. It's hard to learn. It's all done in the terminal. So you're writing commands. It's not click here. You don't log in. You don't click a button, and it's done. They make it kind of easy to build it out if you go to OpenClaw.ai or .bot, one of the two. But there's a one-line install code, and then there's an onboarding. kind of walks you through it. It's somewhat easy, but it looks easier than it really is because you do have to go find all the APIs. You have to build the guardrails. You have to connect all this stuff, put it all together. And then terminal disappears when you close it. It's not like a saved Google Doc. So I had spent a day and a half, no exaggeration, and these guys can attest, and I had Bo built, and he was running in Slack, so we could talk to him in Slack. And that was the first place that I set him up. And this was during ice storm and power went out, lost everything. So I had to start from scratch, but I, I think I'm on version four now. So I'm actually, okay, well now we just do this. Now we just do this. Now we just do this. It's just the learning thing. And it's, you know, I'm, I'm blessed to have the free time to be able to sit down and really focus on this thing without kids, you know, tap dancing upstairs. Like it sounds like Dave. Can you hear? Oh yeah. it's authentic it's authentic so i can you know i i can really zone out and focus on it and sorry to all my friends that texted and called and i all it was just dave but um then i ignored just kidding but um it's i'm sure it'll get easier because these engineers actually do come from an altruistic like a part a place you know, their hearts, they're not in trying to make a bunch of money. Some are obviously, but the vast majority aren't, they just like programming, like building things. And I think that, Did you guys get the email from Bo last night about the OpenClaw update?
Speaker #0
Yes.
Speaker #1
Yeah, so he's programmed it to as soon as he sees a new update out from OpenClaw, which they're coming out pretty much every other day at this point, every 48 hours, to download it, then email us instantly with the changes and how we can implement the changes with our goals and our mission and our task and all that stuff. So not only does he let us know there's an update, he lets us know what the updates are, And then he tells us how we can. activate and and implement those new updates into our workflows so that is what an open claw is capable of an agent doesn't do that you know and there's a whole there's a thing called a heartbeat which i didn't know about until yeah i heard that today yeah and a heartbeat is basically it's checking its own pulse and it has to reply to the bot replies to open claw and just to make sure everything's safe and that i think everyone's worried about the security. I think they're really focused on the security now. That was one of the big updates from last night's new install.
Speaker #0
In regards to, I mean, you're the content guy. Have you any ideas of how you're thinking about how to best utilize this platform? I know you're grinding. Maybe you haven't had a chance to think about it yet.
Speaker #1
We're busting Tribbles' chops because he was late to this. We text him. He's like, sorry, I'm grinding.
Speaker #0
Grinding, man. Grinding.
Speaker #3
So when I think about it, Dave, it's automating everything that I'm having to step in and give direction to. AI is powerful. The way I see it, do y'all feel this way? Does this feel like a paradigm unlock? Like we've all gone to a new level. Like chat GPT comes out, changes the world. People start using it. Wow. There's been a couple other like VO3, some of the visual stuff when they would drop their latest model. It kind of blew your mind. And I think this is the next iteration of kind of an unlock that's happening. And you can see it with the... with the excitement in the development community, all these developers, I mean, it's, it's all over my X timeline. It's all over YouTube. It just feels like this one guy was sitting in his room trying to fix one problem about talking to his WhatsApp. And now since it's open source, everybody's running with it. And you're right, Nick, the big boys, they're looking at it and they're going to see where this thing goes because you know that they're going to be adopting it in some shape or fashion for sure.
Speaker #1
Yeah. Well, a little bit of history. So OpenAI was a small company, right? I mean, Elon co-founded it, but it was supposed to be open sourced. And then, so they were a nonprofit. Their original URL is openai.org. So basically what OpenClaw is right now, but Sam, who now has it, and Elon left because they went to for-profit. So now they're battling it out and that's where Elon started XAI. I feel like you nailed it. The paradigm, when ChatGPT came out, the paradigm shifted. It wasn't a big company yet. I mean, they've been around for a while, so it's not like one guy, like we're dealing with OpenClaw, but that's also the paradigm shift, that one guy. sitting that knows how to program something sitting in his room can change the world in a weekend because of ai yeah so that is the level up right so i would say that the new world of ai opened in i think it was october november of 2023 when openai was publicly released and then you guys probably don't know this or might not know this but that forced all the big boys were working on their own ai stuff right their own models It forced all the big boys to push theirs out so they weren't super last to market, like Apple. Apple's lost in the game. So that fast competition is going to cause everyone to level up very quickly. But the agility, I'm still giving it to the guys that are on the small team, right? Because you get a company like Google or OpenAI or Meta. And everyone wants to be important in the boardroom, right? Everyone, oh, no, we've got to get that approved. Oh, we have to run it through legal. But you've got some guy named Peter. It sounds like he's from Denmark or something. He's like, I don't he had already built and sold a startup. So, like, he's not hurting for money. He just built this in his spare time. He's like, oh, now it's on open source. And if you guys own open sources, you guys being the listeners, that means that there's a there's a website called github and github is basically um it's basically a library it's a free library just like a public library and the books are code so they're code bases they're called repos repository so i can go into the public library a programmer can go into github i can check out this book a developer can pull out this git this repo And then I can, if I want to write, you know, Legends of the Fall Volume 2, I could do that based off of the original work, right? And I wouldn't get sued if it's open source. That's the same thing developers can do. So they can go get the code base, build on it, make it better, say, hey, we need some security. So now you have a security coder that's an expert of security, you know, cybersecurity, comes in, writes the code to make it more secure, and then pushes it, right? and then it updates and updates now you got tens of thousands if not more coders looking at this thing trying to make it better and it's kind of like um if you guys remember um wall street what was it um occupy wall street right so it's like the little guy taking on the big man it's like when the game stock um stock saga happened trying to take out citadel it's out of that man
Speaker #0
with the engineers and the coders that are taking on the massive companies the big boys it's pretty pretty cool the ones that are spending i mean raising billions yeah yeah millions of dollars now this guy created open claw i mean it's not a money maker for him yet or and he doesn't appear
Speaker #1
to care somebody will turn it into a money maker i'm sure some we always do capitalists always ruin things yeah
Speaker #0
I think somebody specifically was saying that they thought Anthropic would have a user-friendly version pretty darn quick. They're already trying to figure it out.
Speaker #1
Yeah, well, they have Cloud Code to work on. And I think I remember this correctly, that the developer used Cloud Code to help build Cloudbot, which is why he called it Cloudbot. But it's Claude, right? So it was a play on words. Yeah, but Bo knows how to use our open claw guy.
Speaker #0
That's crazy. Well, I'm telling you, this is part two of what Nick has learned in regards to Moltbot, which is now open claw. And maybe soon we'll be a part three as this is an ever-changing saga. Maybe next week we'll skip it because we'll talk to Matt B. Davis and have a little bit of fun with him. maybe you know, change the vibe up a little bit for a week, but man, it's been, it's been fun to watch you explore this Nick and continue to tell us, I got this and you know, I'm getting texts from Bo and, and he's getting things done. Just asking him. I have always been a great delegator. I like that's probably one of the things I do better than anything is I can, I can run a ship by delegating where we're at right now. We, we're just doing it all ourselves. Now we're getting, we have help. because, you know, a lot of these LLMs and these programs that we're using, these tools we're using are like assistants. But this is legit and legitimately somebody, something, somebody I can just delegate a job to. Now, I haven't seen him pull it off just yet of getting big things done. But I mean, we're talking, you know, two days, three days into it. I look forward to see what happens in a week when I'm like, hey, just do this for me. And it gets done like crazy. Crazy.
Speaker #1
One thing that I'll say I want to chime in real quick is the delegation thing. I think that. It's going to be something that's talked about in the future as an orchestrator. So it's like when you go to like an ASO, the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra, you have the conductor up there that's, you know, it's got the brass, it's got the winds, it's got the strings, it's got the rhythm and all that stuff. Right. And the conductor is, you know, working with each of them, but conducting them.
Speaker #0
orchestration, right? I think that moving forward, people that really learn how all the tools work, how they complement each other, just like the different instruments do, to bring them all together to create one amazing song, that's really where the learning curve is going to go. So like I have a certificate in AI orchestration, like that is probably going to be a thing.
Speaker #1
Well, and we pride ourselves on kind of being that we're learning too, but we kind of have our specialty areas to where we, when we all come together, we can give that orchestration for our clients, you know?
Speaker #0
Yep. Absolutely. Oh, Dave, you're not here. Dave's on mute.
Speaker #2
I had to do that because of the tap dancing upstairs. I mean, it was getting pretty crazy. Yeah.
Speaker #0
Our threes of viewers won't mind.
Speaker #2
Yeah, really. Taptico.com. We've got a slew of services and that service list continues to expand as we continue to learn these tools out there. The things that we can do and the things that we can help you with or create, really, it grows by the day. So, you know, check out our services page, our resources, check out Bo, who's now on our website. It's Taptico.com. You can introduce yourself to him through the little chat bot or, you know, you could. you could call him directly. So, have a conversation. Not yet. All right. Well, get that, get that voice agent going. So, um, so if you have anything that you need from us, obviously DM us here, tap, um, tap the like button, share it with your friends. You can obviously view this on YouTube, Spotify, Apple podcasts, all, all the places. And we hope that you enjoyed this episode of Dave learns AI because Nick really learned a lot and now he's trying to teach us. So.
Speaker #0
yeah baby let's go i'll bow teach you guys please do see you all right see ya all right stopped

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Speaker #0
This is Dave Learns AI, a Tactical Solutions podcast. I'm Dave Clapper, diving into the real-world ways AI is changing business, creativity, and how we work. No fluff, no jargon, just practical insights and experiments you can learn from right alongside me.
Speaker #1
Anyway, and that's what I told her. Well, my Santa Claus feet won't fit up there. What?
Speaker #2
You can't start a podcast like that. What?
Speaker #1
So anyway, that's when I murdered her. Oh, God, are we on?
Speaker #0
Oh, there you go. Nothing like taking the intro and just, ah. Hey, what's up? It's another edition of Dave Learns AI. Triple Dave and Nick. Hey, guys, and I just got confirmation. We're going to have our first guest next week on the podcast.
Speaker #1
Really?
Speaker #0
Who? An Atlanta legend. His name is Matt B. Davis.
Speaker #1
Oh, wow.
Speaker #0
Yeah. So Matt B. Davis, he really became an expert in the, what do you call that? It was the Warrior Dash, the Spartan Run, you know, all those. So he was like the main, like, entertainment host of all these events. The media.
Speaker #3
Oh, what was his name again? Endurance. Endurance races is what they're called. Yeah.
Speaker #0
So, you know, he and then he had a podcast called the ATL podcast, and he would interview people around Atlanta that were interesting. Nick was on his show. I've been on his show.
Speaker #3
Been on his show. I know that. OK. Yeah, I was on it twice.
Speaker #0
Yeah. So we've so we've all been on a show. So now he's going to be on our show. And one of the reasons why he wanted to come to our show is because he's seeing what we're doing and he is realizing that AI has really transformed what he does. And he's really excited about it. So when he saw that we are doing what we're doing, he's like, I want to come talk to you guys about all of this. When can I come on your podcast? So he will be our first guest.
Speaker #1
That's cool. I was on Mark Maron WTF podcast like two months ago.
Speaker #0
That was painful.
Speaker #1
It was painful. They're old friends. If anyone listening to this, if you want it, they're old friends. Anyone listening to this, though, if you're a fan of Mark Maron, WTF. Go find the Matt B. Davis episode. It's literally like a therapy between two old friends that have fallen away from each other.
Speaker #0
I don't think it's the WTF podcast, though. I think that was just the ATL podcast. I don't think more. No,
Speaker #1
he was on.
Speaker #0
Oh, really?
Speaker #1
He was on Mark Mann's. Yeah. I was like, because I subscribed. Matt B. Davis can't be the same one. But Matt was a comedian back in the day. And so he's friends with all these comedians that toured in Boston. Interesting. Yeah.
Speaker #0
Anyway, so he's going to be our guest next week. And then I think soon after that, we're going to have a guest. His name is Bobot. And we're going to talk to Bobot or about Bobot here in just a couple of minutes. But for those of you just tuning in, I'm Dave, Nick, and Tribble. We are the three of the four team members now of... Taptico Solutions. And what we do is we help companies, small, medium, large, reach their potential in marketing using AI tools. But it really has become so much more than that. And so much less about, I mean, the marketing is still very important and we create systems that'll help that marketing plan come together. But really being able to lean into cleaning up systems and creating efficiencies for businesses. All across the board is kind of where we're at now. And this podcast is about really learning new tools and how we can teach you how to utilize those new tools.
Speaker #3
Yeah, I would argue just to that point, Dave, just about us. We are definitely marketing, but you have to have the knowledge that we all have with the marketing because we all know where small and medium-sized businesses struggle in order to then. implement the tools that change people's lives, right? You can't just come in and I know all these tools. I mean, the engineers and developers know the tools, but they don't know how to really integrate and apply them to real life business situations. That's where we come in.
Speaker #1
Yep.
Speaker #0
And the cool thing is last week, if you tuned in the last week's episode, we were really excited. Well, Nick came to our L10 meeting and was like, guys, something crazy happened over the weekend. And when he brought it to us, it was called ClaudeBot. And literally in the moments between him telling us about it and our first podcast, it changed to Moltbot. And then we launched the Moltbot podcast and it was already changed to OpenClaw. So something that, you know, when we talk about the tools, the AI tools that are out there, you know, one of the things you have to be is you have to be on the forefront of knowing what is the latest, greatest. And that's one of the things that we do well. And that's definitely one of the things that Nick brings to the table is his kind of. awareness of what people are talking about. And this past week, a week and a half, it's been about open claw.
Speaker #1
All about OpenClaw. And as we all know, like the whole reason that we are doing this podcast is because none of us are coders. And we want to make AI approachable to people that need it. You know, it shouldn't be saved for the big companies that can afford an engineering team. So we're learning the AI so you guys don't have to. And true to form, I locked myself in my room for a full five days. It helped that there was an ice storm. But I might. I didn't have a gray beard before this, but now I do. But I have built our claw bot or claw, sorry, open claw. And his name is Bo bot. And he goes by Bo.
Speaker #0
So you're going to tell us a lot more about this because we need to teach people about this. But Tribble, you weren't privy to a conversation we were having with a client. And I brought up the fact that I got an email from Bo. Bo is our. our open claw bot that, that Nick has spent the last five days creating. Um, I got an email from him, um, something that he is already, um, he's already designed to do anyway. And it was a phone number. So I was like, okay, cause this is all new. Nick is behind the scenes doing his, you know, wizard of Oz stuff. He's the man. Yeah, totally. So I, I hit the phone number and it went to a Google voice and said, you know leave a message this person isn't available or whatever and i didn't leave a message well about 35 minutes later i got a text from beau saying hey i saw i missed your call um dave is there anything that you need and i was like oh my this is crazy and
Speaker #1
the only reason that that beau didn't pick up it's a google voice line that i set up i don't have the voice the 11 labs voice agent uh api tied in yet so Building this thing, it's literally like it. I made this analogy yesterday to these guys. It's like a car that's broken down, that's got all the tools, got the engine, but none of the wires are connected. And you don't know what you're doing. Hey, get this car running. That's what I'm doing. I'm painstakingly plugging in. What happens? Oh, it crashed the entire system. But I'm doing it on an old computer. No risk of breaking anything.
Speaker #3
Can we take a step back, though, and just, Nick, maybe you're the guy to do this. How, just give people, and me too a little bit, even though I have more than the average person, how does OpenClaw, basically an assistant, an autonomous assistant, how does that differ from anything else that's out there? And why is it taking the AI world by storm?
Speaker #1
Because it acts proactively. So Dave, I didn't tell it to follow up with Dave. It followed up on its own. And the only reason it took 30 minutes is because our token windows were tight, which I've since fixed. So this is where you start getting into the credits and the tokens and the different models that we're using. Sonnet 4.5 right now, because it's the mid-tier. It can still do a lot of the good reasoning with Claude. It's not Opus 4.5, but it's not the haiku either. Um, so I've actually retrained it. So we're, we're basically molding it out of clay right now. Started with a big block of clay and we're slowly molding it to be what we need it to be. Um, the voice agent side of it is, is coming. And then we're going to have hopefully a digital avatar, um, ready by next week to where he, or, um, two weeks. Um, cause Matt's on next week, but where we can actually interview Bo. So that's what we're building towards. That's our goal. I know for a fact that Instagram won't let us have an AI, like strictly AI profile, but we can, you know, we want everyone to see Bo and we want everyone to think of Bo as the fourth Taptico member, but he just happens to be virtual. So that's the, but also he's doing a lot of really good stuff for us behind the scenes. So yeah,
Speaker #0
he's already, I've integrated him into our website. So we have It was interesting because the backend system that I was using to, you know, there are a lot of like chatbots that you can integrate into a, into a website. Well, the thing is, I don't need to integrate an AI chatbot because Bo is our AI chatbot. All I needed to do is directly connect the widget of the, of the conversation directly to Bo. So it's interesting because when you're building it, it's like, okay, well, we can create an AI widget so that way we can answer the questions appropriately and create your, you know, your person. It's like, no, the person's already created, you know, like we've. We've jumped steps. And you think about just in communication and how people are utilizing like the chatbots and stuff like that. There's still people who are just using your typical AI chatbot and then trying to train him or whatever. And we kind of reverse engineered it. You know, you built the AI chatbot before I put him on the website and said, well, let's just have him answer questions if people need them.
Speaker #1
Right. And, Trouble, one more thing just to add on to. your question i made this uh analogy a while ago when we're talking about what's the difference between automation and agent so an automation is like a recipe an agent so an automation is like boil water put in spaghetti wait 10 minutes it's an sop absolutely yeah so that is what an automation is um now that's complicated in its own right an agent is more of like a grocery store where you say, hey, I want to make spaghetti tonight. Go find all the spaghetti stuff. It goes, brings back the spaghetti. OpenClaw is a chef. You say, I want spaghetti tonight. It says, oh, I'm going to go find the best spaghetti recipe that's the highest. Or even,
Speaker #3
I'm hungry. I mean, you can even take it a step further. Like, I'm hungry. Well, yeah,
Speaker #1
that screws up the analogy, Tribble. Let me finish that now. Unbelievable. That's not you're just thinking about food at this. Unbelievable. Guys, he's grinding. He's grinding. He's really handsome, and he can lift heavy things.
Speaker #0
And he works hard.
Speaker #1
He works hard. He comes in at noon, leaves at 1.30 every day. He's grinding. But But, yeah, like a chef that, like, say, yes, I'm hungry. I want spaghetti. And he says, great, I'm going to find the best spaghetti recipe. You know I'm going to create it from scratch. I'm going to find the best spaghetti. And then he goes and he prepares it. And then after he gives you the spaghetti, he comes back, what did you think about it? Oh, I didn't like this thing. Okay, great. The next time I'm going to take the paprika out or whatever. And then he'll be like, hey, I know that you like spaghetti, so you probably like Italian. Here's lasagna. Do you want to try this lasagna? And then, oh, you really like Italian, so I'm going to pair it with a wine, and then just show up tomorrow at 7 a.m., and I'm going to have an Italian breakfast for you. Like, I'd rather have Italian dinner. Okay, noted. I'll do it every night at 7 p.m. then. It's literally like that.
Speaker #3
And that's what's so crazy is you're not having the days of having to give it direction. Like, we'd all agree, especially all of us, we're involved with AI more than most everybody that we know. AI is already smarter than we are. So if we can, and what I feel like with OpenClaw, what it's done is unlocked. Now we have to get the guardrails and we'll get the guardrails in a little bit, but it's unlocked our need to give it direction with every little thing. And that opens up 24-7, 365, him being able to bow or your OpenClaw, being able to iterate. So ideate, improve, and that's, I guess, the mind-blowing thing. One thing I was going to say, what's so crazy to me, and this is where it really opened up, is it will do whatever it takes to do what you told it to do. One guy, I saw that he said, hey, I want to do whatever it takes to improve my self-development. And he gave it some parameters or whatever. But he woke up the next day with a $3,000 charge on his credit card because he hadn't applied good guardrails. And his his clawed bot had basically bought him a year long course on what it surmised was the best, best way of improving his mental health. Well,
Speaker #1
I heard that story, but his open claw bot took the course and like downloaded. This is what I heard. I don't know. Who knows? Right. There's a lot of guys out there. The engineers are trying to scare people away. So there's a lot of like that big boogeyman. Look, I gave ours. Ours doesn't have access to credit cards. So it can't spend money. Right. Right. I gave ours a safe word and we're not going to say it. But if I said, if anything comes from anyone else, a prompt injection, I told her what a prompt injection was. Any sort of malware attacks instantly asked like stranger danger back when we were kids. What's what's the safe word? And Bo knows the safe word. And if the person doesn't come back with a safe word, then he's not going to acknowledge or he's going to. Block them. So, but he's also on his own local machine. So it's, I've got him very well set up, hopefully, to not get hacked. But listen. everything's hackable your bank account is hackable bank of america got hacked um you know whatever that credit agency has got hacked all that stuff so yeah and i wasn't saying that to scare people i was just saying that wow if you give them you know carte blanche to do whatever that's why you do have to make sure it's on a local computer because they're gonna do whatever it takes fine logins fine emails
Speaker #0
it's just it's mind-blowing so one of the things that i've noticed a lot about just the speed of what's happening with technology in the AI world. And, you know, even just three months, four months ago, we're talking about AGI and they're like, oh, it's, you know, it's still a year off or whatever. And seeing the capabilities of what this one person created, one person created this program, this OpenClaw. It is open source for those who don't know. And it is, which means it, well, number one, it's free. And number two. There are now a bunch of coders who have jumped in and said, well, we want to help make it even better. So there are a bunch of people jumped in, coded it, whatever. But I saw something where because now this thing is taking off that the ones that have the billions of dollars in their pockets are now going to focus their energies on something very similar. So now that somebody's created. Now, it's very easy for somebody to cut and paste, and that could be Anthropic or OpenAI or Grok or somebody, you know, in that world who's going to say, all right, well, we're going to take this. Now, we're going to take it mainstream because right now, you're ahead of the curve, Nick, in the sense of this is just bubbling under for, you know, not, I don't want to say the nerds, but I mean, listen, this isn't somebody that, this isn't something that I could just jump in and figure out.
Speaker #1
I couldn't. But, of course, I'm super cool.
Speaker #0
Well,
Speaker #1
I don't know.
Speaker #3
And he hasn't slept in 96 hours, but, you know.
Speaker #1
I got a new haircut because I was told I looked like I was homeless. Hold on. I want to make it clear. No,
Speaker #0
that had nothing to do with your haircut. I even told you. I know. That was a callback.
Speaker #1
Callback joke. Good. It's nice. It's good hair. Thanks. It is a slog to learn it. I will not beat around the bush. A lot of the stuff that we're learning, obviously, we have a good foundation because we've been neck deep in this stuff for a while. So we know what all the things are. And we've got a lot of reps when it comes to prompting. So using tools like Manus, yes, it's easy. It's easy for us. It's not easy for someone that isn't savvy with AI and doesn't know what a prompt is. So we have to make sure that we understand that what's easy for us is not easy for everyone else. And I know that, and I'm saying that OpenClaw is hard. It's hard to learn. It's all done in the terminal. So you're writing commands. It's not click here. You don't log in. You don't click a button, and it's done. They make it kind of easy to build it out if you go to OpenClaw.ai or .bot, one of the two. But there's a one-line install code, and then there's an onboarding. kind of walks you through it. It's somewhat easy, but it looks easier than it really is because you do have to go find all the APIs. You have to build the guardrails. You have to connect all this stuff, put it all together. And then terminal disappears when you close it. It's not like a saved Google Doc. So I had spent a day and a half, no exaggeration, and these guys can attest, and I had Bo built, and he was running in Slack, so we could talk to him in Slack. And that was the first place that I set him up. And this was during ice storm and power went out, lost everything. So I had to start from scratch, but I, I think I'm on version four now. So I'm actually, okay, well now we just do this. Now we just do this. Now we just do this. It's just the learning thing. And it's, you know, I'm, I'm blessed to have the free time to be able to sit down and really focus on this thing without kids, you know, tap dancing upstairs. Like it sounds like Dave. Can you hear? Oh yeah. it's authentic it's authentic so i can you know i i can really zone out and focus on it and sorry to all my friends that texted and called and i all it was just dave but um then i ignored just kidding but um it's i'm sure it'll get easier because these engineers actually do come from an altruistic like a part a place you know, their hearts, they're not in trying to make a bunch of money. Some are obviously, but the vast majority aren't, they just like programming, like building things. And I think that, Did you guys get the email from Bo last night about the OpenClaw update?
Speaker #0
Yes.
Speaker #1
Yeah, so he's programmed it to as soon as he sees a new update out from OpenClaw, which they're coming out pretty much every other day at this point, every 48 hours, to download it, then email us instantly with the changes and how we can implement the changes with our goals and our mission and our task and all that stuff. So not only does he let us know there's an update, he lets us know what the updates are, And then he tells us how we can. activate and and implement those new updates into our workflows so that is what an open claw is capable of an agent doesn't do that you know and there's a whole there's a thing called a heartbeat which i didn't know about until yeah i heard that today yeah and a heartbeat is basically it's checking its own pulse and it has to reply to the bot replies to open claw and just to make sure everything's safe and that i think everyone's worried about the security. I think they're really focused on the security now. That was one of the big updates from last night's new install.
Speaker #0
In regards to, I mean, you're the content guy. Have you any ideas of how you're thinking about how to best utilize this platform? I know you're grinding. Maybe you haven't had a chance to think about it yet.
Speaker #1
We're busting Tribbles' chops because he was late to this. We text him. He's like, sorry, I'm grinding.
Speaker #0
Grinding, man. Grinding.
Speaker #3
So when I think about it, Dave, it's automating everything that I'm having to step in and give direction to. AI is powerful. The way I see it, do y'all feel this way? Does this feel like a paradigm unlock? Like we've all gone to a new level. Like chat GPT comes out, changes the world. People start using it. Wow. There's been a couple other like VO3, some of the visual stuff when they would drop their latest model. It kind of blew your mind. And I think this is the next iteration of kind of an unlock that's happening. And you can see it with the... with the excitement in the development community, all these developers, I mean, it's, it's all over my X timeline. It's all over YouTube. It just feels like this one guy was sitting in his room trying to fix one problem about talking to his WhatsApp. And now since it's open source, everybody's running with it. And you're right, Nick, the big boys, they're looking at it and they're going to see where this thing goes because you know that they're going to be adopting it in some shape or fashion for sure.
Speaker #1
Yeah. Well, a little bit of history. So OpenAI was a small company, right? I mean, Elon co-founded it, but it was supposed to be open sourced. And then, so they were a nonprofit. Their original URL is openai.org. So basically what OpenClaw is right now, but Sam, who now has it, and Elon left because they went to for-profit. So now they're battling it out and that's where Elon started XAI. I feel like you nailed it. The paradigm, when ChatGPT came out, the paradigm shifted. It wasn't a big company yet. I mean, they've been around for a while, so it's not like one guy, like we're dealing with OpenClaw, but that's also the paradigm shift, that one guy. sitting that knows how to program something sitting in his room can change the world in a weekend because of ai yeah so that is the level up right so i would say that the new world of ai opened in i think it was october november of 2023 when openai was publicly released and then you guys probably don't know this or might not know this but that forced all the big boys were working on their own ai stuff right their own models It forced all the big boys to push theirs out so they weren't super last to market, like Apple. Apple's lost in the game. So that fast competition is going to cause everyone to level up very quickly. But the agility, I'm still giving it to the guys that are on the small team, right? Because you get a company like Google or OpenAI or Meta. And everyone wants to be important in the boardroom, right? Everyone, oh, no, we've got to get that approved. Oh, we have to run it through legal. But you've got some guy named Peter. It sounds like he's from Denmark or something. He's like, I don't he had already built and sold a startup. So, like, he's not hurting for money. He just built this in his spare time. He's like, oh, now it's on open source. And if you guys own open sources, you guys being the listeners, that means that there's a there's a website called github and github is basically um it's basically a library it's a free library just like a public library and the books are code so they're code bases they're called repos repository so i can go into the public library a programmer can go into github i can check out this book a developer can pull out this git this repo And then I can, if I want to write, you know, Legends of the Fall Volume 2, I could do that based off of the original work, right? And I wouldn't get sued if it's open source. That's the same thing developers can do. So they can go get the code base, build on it, make it better, say, hey, we need some security. So now you have a security coder that's an expert of security, you know, cybersecurity, comes in, writes the code to make it more secure, and then pushes it, right? and then it updates and updates now you got tens of thousands if not more coders looking at this thing trying to make it better and it's kind of like um if you guys remember um wall street what was it um occupy wall street right so it's like the little guy taking on the big man it's like when the game stock um stock saga happened trying to take out citadel it's out of that man
Speaker #0
with the engineers and the coders that are taking on the massive companies the big boys it's pretty pretty cool the ones that are spending i mean raising billions yeah yeah millions of dollars now this guy created open claw i mean it's not a money maker for him yet or and he doesn't appear
Speaker #1
to care somebody will turn it into a money maker i'm sure some we always do capitalists always ruin things yeah
Speaker #0
I think somebody specifically was saying that they thought Anthropic would have a user-friendly version pretty darn quick. They're already trying to figure it out.
Speaker #1
Yeah, well, they have Cloud Code to work on. And I think I remember this correctly, that the developer used Cloud Code to help build Cloudbot, which is why he called it Cloudbot. But it's Claude, right? So it was a play on words. Yeah, but Bo knows how to use our open claw guy.
Speaker #0
That's crazy. Well, I'm telling you, this is part two of what Nick has learned in regards to Moltbot, which is now open claw. And maybe soon we'll be a part three as this is an ever-changing saga. Maybe next week we'll skip it because we'll talk to Matt B. Davis and have a little bit of fun with him. maybe you know, change the vibe up a little bit for a week, but man, it's been, it's been fun to watch you explore this Nick and continue to tell us, I got this and you know, I'm getting texts from Bo and, and he's getting things done. Just asking him. I have always been a great delegator. I like that's probably one of the things I do better than anything is I can, I can run a ship by delegating where we're at right now. We, we're just doing it all ourselves. Now we're getting, we have help. because, you know, a lot of these LLMs and these programs that we're using, these tools we're using are like assistants. But this is legit and legitimately somebody, something, somebody I can just delegate a job to. Now, I haven't seen him pull it off just yet of getting big things done. But I mean, we're talking, you know, two days, three days into it. I look forward to see what happens in a week when I'm like, hey, just do this for me. And it gets done like crazy. Crazy.
Speaker #1
One thing that I'll say I want to chime in real quick is the delegation thing. I think that. It's going to be something that's talked about in the future as an orchestrator. So it's like when you go to like an ASO, the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra, you have the conductor up there that's, you know, it's got the brass, it's got the winds, it's got the strings, it's got the rhythm and all that stuff. Right. And the conductor is, you know, working with each of them, but conducting them.
Speaker #0
orchestration, right? I think that moving forward, people that really learn how all the tools work, how they complement each other, just like the different instruments do, to bring them all together to create one amazing song, that's really where the learning curve is going to go. So like I have a certificate in AI orchestration, like that is probably going to be a thing.
Speaker #1
Well, and we pride ourselves on kind of being that we're learning too, but we kind of have our specialty areas to where we, when we all come together, we can give that orchestration for our clients, you know?
Speaker #0
Yep. Absolutely. Oh, Dave, you're not here. Dave's on mute.
Speaker #2
I had to do that because of the tap dancing upstairs. I mean, it was getting pretty crazy. Yeah.
Speaker #0
Our threes of viewers won't mind.
Speaker #2
Yeah, really. Taptico.com. We've got a slew of services and that service list continues to expand as we continue to learn these tools out there. The things that we can do and the things that we can help you with or create, really, it grows by the day. So, you know, check out our services page, our resources, check out Bo, who's now on our website. It's Taptico.com. You can introduce yourself to him through the little chat bot or, you know, you could. you could call him directly. So, have a conversation. Not yet. All right. Well, get that, get that voice agent going. So, um, so if you have anything that you need from us, obviously DM us here, tap, um, tap the like button, share it with your friends. You can obviously view this on YouTube, Spotify, Apple podcasts, all, all the places. And we hope that you enjoyed this episode of Dave learns AI because Nick really learned a lot and now he's trying to teach us. So.
Speaker #0
yeah baby let's go i'll bow teach you guys please do see you all right see ya all right stopped

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