This episode features Paola Subacchi in conversation with former EU Commissioner Paolo Gentiloni. They explore how ageing, climate pressures and, more recently, defence spending are driving public debt higher, while growth remains elusive and interest rates stay relatively high. The discussion revisits Europe’s response to the sovereign debt crisis and Covid, before turning to a largely overlooked challenge in developing countries – “defaulting on development.”

Paolo Gentiloni is Co-Chair of the UN Group of Experts to promote policy solutions to resolve the debt crisis in developing countries. From 2019 to 2024, Mr Gentiloni was European Commissioner for Economy. He served as Prime Minister of Italy from 2016 to 2018 and Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation (2013-2014).

Paola Subacchi is Professor and Chair in Sovereign Debt and Finance at Sciences Po, and Professor of Political Economy of Europe at the University of Bologna. She is also a partner at Essential Economics, a London-based consultancy that advises governments, international organisations, and private companies.

Production Paola Subacchi

Coordination Nathalie Corvée

Musique Nils Bertinelli

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