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The Gilles L. case is a dark story of family betrayal. In 2016, in Bereldange, Luxembourg, Gilles L. poisoned his sister and brother-in-law. Motivated by financial disputes, Gilles administered poison in drinks he offered to his victims during a family meal...
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All right, let's jump into a case that's honestly pretty unsettling. We're going to be looking at a couple that was poisoned back in 2016 in Baroldonge, Luxembourg. So picture this. You've got a normal family lunch. Yeah, nothing too crazy. And then suddenly two of the guests just get really sick.
And what really grabs you about this case is just the amount of info we've got. I mean, we're talking newspaper articles from over the years. We've got court documents, even people who are there telling their stories. It's wild. Trying to put it all together.
Yeah. And I guess that's our job today, right? We've got to break this thing down, see how it all happened, figure out what drove this person to do something so awful. We're starting back on September 25th, 2016. It was a Sunday, quiet town, barrel donge. Families getting together for lunch. Everything seems totally normal until, as you said, two guests just fall ill.
And what's really strange is nobody knows why they died so suddenly. So. Of course, the police, they jump right in. Full investigation.
Yeah, total chaos. Yeah. Where did the investigators even start? What are they looking at first?
So they started with this batch of walnut liqueur. The victims had some, you know, while they were out hiking earlier that day.
Okay, so food poisoning makes sense. But then things get dark.
Really dark. Toxicology report comes back. Potassium cyanide. This wasn't some bad liqueur. Someone poisoned them.
Potassium cyanide. That's not something you just find lying around. This was planned, right? Oh,
absolutely premeditated. And that's when everyone starts looking at the guy hosting the lunch, Gilles L. He was a police officer and turns out the brother of the woman who died.
Whoa, wait a minute. The host was a cop. That's crazy.
Yeah, it is. And at first, Gilles L., he's denying everything, even suggests maybe, just maybe it was the walnut liquor.
Trying to act all innocent with the police all over the place? That's pretty bold. Did it work?
Not even a little. They find some stuff on his computer that tells a very different story.
Okay, now we're getting somewhere. What did they find?
Searches on the darknet. Untraceable poisons. He was looking up how to, well, how to kill someone and get away with it. Potassium cyanide, botulinum toxin, the whole nine yards.
He wasn't messing around. Did they find proof that he actually bought the poison?
They did. Records show he used Bitcoin on the darknet to buy potassium cyanide. Anonymously, of course.
Trying to cover his tracks online? But what's so creepy is how calm he acted during the actual poisoning.
Right. I mean, reports say he was offering people snacks while paramedics were trying to save the victims.
It's like he was putting on this show like everything was normal. And meanwhile, he's the one who caused this whole thing.
Totally. And the story just keeps getting weirder as the investigation goes on. Jills L changes his story a bunch of times.
OK, so let's try to untangle those lies and figure out why he did it. What was his first excuse?
Well, first he claimed he didn't know anything about the poison. Then he admitted to giving them something, but said it was botulinum toxin, not potassium cyanide.
So he admits to poisoning them, but with something different. What was his reasoning?
He said he just wanted to make them sick, you know, mess up their trip to Thailand.
Seriously? Just to ruin their vacation? Seems a little extreme. Were they fighting or something?
Jalel claimed he felt left out of the vacation. But later on... evidence showed that he actually said no to the invitation.
So his story falls apart. What other motives were the investigators thinking about?
Well, they looked into the possibility that he was after money. Apparently, he asked about getting his sister's apartment right after she died.
Suspicious, for sure. So we've got a whole bunch of lies, conflicting stories, and some motives that don't really add up. What were the official charges?
Voluntary manslaughter by poisoning.
And what happened in court? What were the arguments from the prosecution and the defense?
The prosecution had a strong case. They focused on all the planning, how he got the poison, and how he tried to throw off the investigation.
Yeah, sounds like a slam dunk with the computer evidence and him changing his story. What did the defense say?
They tried to argue that he didn't intend to kill them. They said Juel thought he was giving them something that wouldn't be lethal. And they pointed out that he cooperated with the police, you know, giving them his computer and all.
Did that work? What was the verdict?
He got a life sentence. The maximum.
A life sentence? That's huge. Was that the end of it?
Not quite. Gilles L, he appealed the verdict, trying to get a lighter sentence under a different law. He claimed he didn't mean to kill them.
So he wanted them to change how they classified the crime. What happened with the appeal?
The appeals court, they upheld the life sentence. They didn't buy his story about it being an accident.
So the courts agreed. Intentional poisoning. But there were more consequences, right?
Oh yeah, way more. On top of prison. Gilles had to pay a ton of money to the victim's family.
That's how much you're talking.
Over 347,000 euros. A lot of money. Shows how much his actions really messed up their lives.
And he deserved it. What happened to his job?
He got suspended from being a police officer, obviously. He lost his freedom, his career, and a lot of money.
That's what happens when you do something like that. Were there any other legal actions against him?
There was an attempt to take away his inheritance from his sister. Since he was her heir, being convicted of her murder meant they could try to stop him from inheriting anything.
So even after the criminal trial, there were still consequences.
Exactly. And this case even started discussions in Luxembourg about the minimum sentence for crimes where the only punishment is life in prison. So his actions really made people rethink the law.
This whole thing is just so wild. How can a normal family lunch turn into something so horrible?
It's chilling. The digital trail is what really gets me. It was the key to figuring out what really happened.
It shows how important digital forensics are these days. It's like a digital fingerprint. Every click, every search, everything you do online leaves a mark.
Totally. In this day and age, what you do online can be just as incriminating as physical evidence.
It's almost like this double-edged sword, right? I mean, on the one hand, the darknet gave Schilzel this way to get potassium cyanide without anyone knowing. But then it also left all those clues that got him caught.
Yeah, for sure. It just shows how technology can be used for both. good and bad, I guess. It's a tricky thing for law enforcement.
I can imagine. I mean, getting into that part of the internet, the darknet, must take some serious skills, right?
Absolutely. It's not like you just, you know, stumble across it. You need special software, you need to know what you're doing, and a lot of times you even need countries to work together to track these guys down.
And what about the good side? I'm guessing it's because even when these criminals think they're being super sneaky, they still mess up and leave traces online, right?
Exactly. The dark net isn't some magical place where everything just vanishes. It's got its own rules, its own communities, even its own marketplaces. Just like in the real world, if you do something on the dark net, there are going to be consequences.
So for the police, understanding this whole dark net thing, it's becoming more and more important.
Huge. It's always changing. So investigators have to keep up, learn new tricks. As criminals come up with new ways to use technology, the police got to be one step ahead.
It sounds like something out of a movie. But it's real. This case shows how connected the digital world is to the real world, even when we're talking about something as serious as murder.
And it's only going to get more connected as technology keeps advancing. Criminals and investigators, they're both going to have even more powerful tools.
Kind of scary to think about, right? What does this all mean for criminal investigations in the future?
Yeah, it's a big question. Experts are trying to figure it out right now. Artificial intelligence, big data. Even virtual reality, they're looking at all sorts of crazy stuff to help solve crimes.
It's like we're entering a whole new world of crime and punishment. The line between online and real life is getting blurrier and blurrier.
Totally. A brave new world. I wonder how the legal system is going to handle all this.
Well, I think we've covered a lot of ground in this deep dive.
Yeah, we have. We started with the poisoning itself, talked about the trial, and then all these bigger issues that this case brings up.
And we've learned some pretty unsettling things about people. about how powerful technology can be, and about how justice works in this crazy world.
I hope this deep dive gave you, you know, not just the facts of the case, but a better idea of all this stuff going on behind the scenes.
It's a lot to take in. And I encourage you, keep thinking about these issues. Talk to people, consider different points of view, and use what you've learned to be a more informed citizen.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Knowledge is power, right? And understanding is the first step to making things better. Thanks for joining us for this deep dive. Until next time, stay curious, stay informed, and keep asking those questions that make you think.
You know what's really stuck with me through all of this? It's just, like, so creepy how this completely normal family lunch turned into, well, a murder scene.
Yeah, it shows you can't always judge a book by its cover, right? Bad things can happen anywhere, even when you least expect it.
Totally. And the dark net, it gave Gilles El this way to, like, secretly get his hands on that poison.
But we have to remember, the dark net itself isn't good or bad. It's just a tool. Like any tool, it depends on who's using it and what they're using it for.
True. So how are the police dealing with all this? I mean, how do you even investigate crimes that happen in this hidden part of the internet?
It's a constant challenge. They're always having to come up with new ways to catch criminals on the dark net. It takes a lot of expertise, special software. And countries have to work together a lot of the time.
It's like a whole new world of detective work, almost.
Yeah, kind of. But the good thing is, most criminals make mistakes. They think they're being anonymous, but they leave little clues behind. And those clues can be enough to bring them down.
So even on the dark net, you can't really hide completely?
Nope. It's not a free-for-all. If you do something bad, there will be consequences. And investigators are getting better and better at figuring out what really happened.
This case really shows how important digital forensics is these days. It's like a whole new type of detective work, finding clues in the digital world.
For sure. And as technology gets more advanced, digital forensics is going to be even more crucial for solving crimes.
It's pretty mind-blowing when you think about it. The line between the real world and the digital world, it's just getting thinner and thinner. And that changes everything about how we investigate crimes and punish criminals.
Absolutely. This case is a perfect example. Gilles L., he thought he could use the darknet to get away with murder. But in the end, it was the digital trail he left behind that got him caught.
It's a pretty scary thought, right? Even if you plan something perfectly, you can still leave traces online.
And those traces, they can be the key to finding out the truth.
Well, I think we've covered just about everything in this case. We've gone over all the details, looked at the evidence, and talked about what it means for the police in the courts.
Yeah, it's been a really interesting deep dive. I hope everyone listening has a better understanding of not just this case, but also how crime is changing in the digital age.
This case definitely makes you think, why would someone do something so terrible? How is technology being used for both good and bad? And how are we going to deal with crime in the future?
We live in a complicated world and it's changing all the time. We have to keep learning and adapting if we want to stay ahead of the criminals.
Well said. I think that's a good place to wrap up our deep dive for today. Thanks for listening, everyone. We hope you found this episode informative.
And don't stop here. Keep learning about digital forensics, the darknet, and all the ways technology is affecting crime.
The more we know, the better prepared we'll be for whatever comes next in this crazy digital world. Thanks again for joining us.
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The Gilles L. case is a dark story of family betrayal. In 2016, in Bereldange, Luxembourg, Gilles L. poisoned his sister and brother-in-law. Motivated by financial disputes, Gilles administered poison in drinks he offered to his victims during a family meal...
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All right, let's jump into a case that's honestly pretty unsettling. We're going to be looking at a couple that was poisoned back in 2016 in Baroldonge, Luxembourg. So picture this. You've got a normal family lunch. Yeah, nothing too crazy. And then suddenly two of the guests just get really sick.
And what really grabs you about this case is just the amount of info we've got. I mean, we're talking newspaper articles from over the years. We've got court documents, even people who are there telling their stories. It's wild. Trying to put it all together.
Yeah. And I guess that's our job today, right? We've got to break this thing down, see how it all happened, figure out what drove this person to do something so awful. We're starting back on September 25th, 2016. It was a Sunday, quiet town, barrel donge. Families getting together for lunch. Everything seems totally normal until, as you said, two guests just fall ill.
And what's really strange is nobody knows why they died so suddenly. So. Of course, the police, they jump right in. Full investigation.
Yeah, total chaos. Yeah. Where did the investigators even start? What are they looking at first?
So they started with this batch of walnut liqueur. The victims had some, you know, while they were out hiking earlier that day.
Okay, so food poisoning makes sense. But then things get dark.
Really dark. Toxicology report comes back. Potassium cyanide. This wasn't some bad liqueur. Someone poisoned them.
Potassium cyanide. That's not something you just find lying around. This was planned, right? Oh,
absolutely premeditated. And that's when everyone starts looking at the guy hosting the lunch, Gilles L. He was a police officer and turns out the brother of the woman who died.
Whoa, wait a minute. The host was a cop. That's crazy.
Yeah, it is. And at first, Gilles L., he's denying everything, even suggests maybe, just maybe it was the walnut liquor.
Trying to act all innocent with the police all over the place? That's pretty bold. Did it work?
Not even a little. They find some stuff on his computer that tells a very different story.
Okay, now we're getting somewhere. What did they find?
Searches on the darknet. Untraceable poisons. He was looking up how to, well, how to kill someone and get away with it. Potassium cyanide, botulinum toxin, the whole nine yards.
He wasn't messing around. Did they find proof that he actually bought the poison?
They did. Records show he used Bitcoin on the darknet to buy potassium cyanide. Anonymously, of course.
Trying to cover his tracks online? But what's so creepy is how calm he acted during the actual poisoning.
Right. I mean, reports say he was offering people snacks while paramedics were trying to save the victims.
It's like he was putting on this show like everything was normal. And meanwhile, he's the one who caused this whole thing.
Totally. And the story just keeps getting weirder as the investigation goes on. Jills L changes his story a bunch of times.
OK, so let's try to untangle those lies and figure out why he did it. What was his first excuse?
Well, first he claimed he didn't know anything about the poison. Then he admitted to giving them something, but said it was botulinum toxin, not potassium cyanide.
So he admits to poisoning them, but with something different. What was his reasoning?
He said he just wanted to make them sick, you know, mess up their trip to Thailand.
Seriously? Just to ruin their vacation? Seems a little extreme. Were they fighting or something?
Jalel claimed he felt left out of the vacation. But later on... evidence showed that he actually said no to the invitation.
So his story falls apart. What other motives were the investigators thinking about?
Well, they looked into the possibility that he was after money. Apparently, he asked about getting his sister's apartment right after she died.
Suspicious, for sure. So we've got a whole bunch of lies, conflicting stories, and some motives that don't really add up. What were the official charges?
Voluntary manslaughter by poisoning.
And what happened in court? What were the arguments from the prosecution and the defense?
The prosecution had a strong case. They focused on all the planning, how he got the poison, and how he tried to throw off the investigation.
Yeah, sounds like a slam dunk with the computer evidence and him changing his story. What did the defense say?
They tried to argue that he didn't intend to kill them. They said Juel thought he was giving them something that wouldn't be lethal. And they pointed out that he cooperated with the police, you know, giving them his computer and all.
Did that work? What was the verdict?
He got a life sentence. The maximum.
A life sentence? That's huge. Was that the end of it?
Not quite. Gilles L, he appealed the verdict, trying to get a lighter sentence under a different law. He claimed he didn't mean to kill them.
So he wanted them to change how they classified the crime. What happened with the appeal?
The appeals court, they upheld the life sentence. They didn't buy his story about it being an accident.
So the courts agreed. Intentional poisoning. But there were more consequences, right?
Oh yeah, way more. On top of prison. Gilles had to pay a ton of money to the victim's family.
That's how much you're talking.
Over 347,000 euros. A lot of money. Shows how much his actions really messed up their lives.
And he deserved it. What happened to his job?
He got suspended from being a police officer, obviously. He lost his freedom, his career, and a lot of money.
That's what happens when you do something like that. Were there any other legal actions against him?
There was an attempt to take away his inheritance from his sister. Since he was her heir, being convicted of her murder meant they could try to stop him from inheriting anything.
So even after the criminal trial, there were still consequences.
Exactly. And this case even started discussions in Luxembourg about the minimum sentence for crimes where the only punishment is life in prison. So his actions really made people rethink the law.
This whole thing is just so wild. How can a normal family lunch turn into something so horrible?
It's chilling. The digital trail is what really gets me. It was the key to figuring out what really happened.
It shows how important digital forensics are these days. It's like a digital fingerprint. Every click, every search, everything you do online leaves a mark.
Totally. In this day and age, what you do online can be just as incriminating as physical evidence.
It's almost like this double-edged sword, right? I mean, on the one hand, the darknet gave Schilzel this way to get potassium cyanide without anyone knowing. But then it also left all those clues that got him caught.
Yeah, for sure. It just shows how technology can be used for both. good and bad, I guess. It's a tricky thing for law enforcement.
I can imagine. I mean, getting into that part of the internet, the darknet, must take some serious skills, right?
Absolutely. It's not like you just, you know, stumble across it. You need special software, you need to know what you're doing, and a lot of times you even need countries to work together to track these guys down.
And what about the good side? I'm guessing it's because even when these criminals think they're being super sneaky, they still mess up and leave traces online, right?
Exactly. The dark net isn't some magical place where everything just vanishes. It's got its own rules, its own communities, even its own marketplaces. Just like in the real world, if you do something on the dark net, there are going to be consequences.
So for the police, understanding this whole dark net thing, it's becoming more and more important.
Huge. It's always changing. So investigators have to keep up, learn new tricks. As criminals come up with new ways to use technology, the police got to be one step ahead.
It sounds like something out of a movie. But it's real. This case shows how connected the digital world is to the real world, even when we're talking about something as serious as murder.
And it's only going to get more connected as technology keeps advancing. Criminals and investigators, they're both going to have even more powerful tools.
Kind of scary to think about, right? What does this all mean for criminal investigations in the future?
Yeah, it's a big question. Experts are trying to figure it out right now. Artificial intelligence, big data. Even virtual reality, they're looking at all sorts of crazy stuff to help solve crimes.
It's like we're entering a whole new world of crime and punishment. The line between online and real life is getting blurrier and blurrier.
Totally. A brave new world. I wonder how the legal system is going to handle all this.
Well, I think we've covered a lot of ground in this deep dive.
Yeah, we have. We started with the poisoning itself, talked about the trial, and then all these bigger issues that this case brings up.
And we've learned some pretty unsettling things about people. about how powerful technology can be, and about how justice works in this crazy world.
I hope this deep dive gave you, you know, not just the facts of the case, but a better idea of all this stuff going on behind the scenes.
It's a lot to take in. And I encourage you, keep thinking about these issues. Talk to people, consider different points of view, and use what you've learned to be a more informed citizen.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Knowledge is power, right? And understanding is the first step to making things better. Thanks for joining us for this deep dive. Until next time, stay curious, stay informed, and keep asking those questions that make you think.
You know what's really stuck with me through all of this? It's just, like, so creepy how this completely normal family lunch turned into, well, a murder scene.
Yeah, it shows you can't always judge a book by its cover, right? Bad things can happen anywhere, even when you least expect it.
Totally. And the dark net, it gave Gilles El this way to, like, secretly get his hands on that poison.
But we have to remember, the dark net itself isn't good or bad. It's just a tool. Like any tool, it depends on who's using it and what they're using it for.
True. So how are the police dealing with all this? I mean, how do you even investigate crimes that happen in this hidden part of the internet?
It's a constant challenge. They're always having to come up with new ways to catch criminals on the dark net. It takes a lot of expertise, special software. And countries have to work together a lot of the time.
It's like a whole new world of detective work, almost.
Yeah, kind of. But the good thing is, most criminals make mistakes. They think they're being anonymous, but they leave little clues behind. And those clues can be enough to bring them down.
So even on the dark net, you can't really hide completely?
Nope. It's not a free-for-all. If you do something bad, there will be consequences. And investigators are getting better and better at figuring out what really happened.
This case really shows how important digital forensics is these days. It's like a whole new type of detective work, finding clues in the digital world.
For sure. And as technology gets more advanced, digital forensics is going to be even more crucial for solving crimes.
It's pretty mind-blowing when you think about it. The line between the real world and the digital world, it's just getting thinner and thinner. And that changes everything about how we investigate crimes and punish criminals.
Absolutely. This case is a perfect example. Gilles L., he thought he could use the darknet to get away with murder. But in the end, it was the digital trail he left behind that got him caught.
It's a pretty scary thought, right? Even if you plan something perfectly, you can still leave traces online.
And those traces, they can be the key to finding out the truth.
Well, I think we've covered just about everything in this case. We've gone over all the details, looked at the evidence, and talked about what it means for the police in the courts.
Yeah, it's been a really interesting deep dive. I hope everyone listening has a better understanding of not just this case, but also how crime is changing in the digital age.
This case definitely makes you think, why would someone do something so terrible? How is technology being used for both good and bad? And how are we going to deal with crime in the future?
We live in a complicated world and it's changing all the time. We have to keep learning and adapting if we want to stay ahead of the criminals.
Well said. I think that's a good place to wrap up our deep dive for today. Thanks for listening, everyone. We hope you found this episode informative.
And don't stop here. Keep learning about digital forensics, the darknet, and all the ways technology is affecting crime.
The more we know, the better prepared we'll be for whatever comes next in this crazy digital world. Thanks again for joining us.
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All right, let's jump into a case that's honestly pretty unsettling. We're going to be looking at a couple that was poisoned back in 2016 in Baroldonge, Luxembourg. So picture this. You've got a normal family lunch. Yeah, nothing too crazy. And then suddenly two of the guests just get really sick.
And what really grabs you about this case is just the amount of info we've got. I mean, we're talking newspaper articles from over the years. We've got court documents, even people who are there telling their stories. It's wild. Trying to put it all together.
Yeah. And I guess that's our job today, right? We've got to break this thing down, see how it all happened, figure out what drove this person to do something so awful. We're starting back on September 25th, 2016. It was a Sunday, quiet town, barrel donge. Families getting together for lunch. Everything seems totally normal until, as you said, two guests just fall ill.
And what's really strange is nobody knows why they died so suddenly. So. Of course, the police, they jump right in. Full investigation.
Yeah, total chaos. Yeah. Where did the investigators even start? What are they looking at first?
So they started with this batch of walnut liqueur. The victims had some, you know, while they were out hiking earlier that day.
Okay, so food poisoning makes sense. But then things get dark.
Really dark. Toxicology report comes back. Potassium cyanide. This wasn't some bad liqueur. Someone poisoned them.
Potassium cyanide. That's not something you just find lying around. This was planned, right? Oh,
absolutely premeditated. And that's when everyone starts looking at the guy hosting the lunch, Gilles L. He was a police officer and turns out the brother of the woman who died.
Whoa, wait a minute. The host was a cop. That's crazy.
Yeah, it is. And at first, Gilles L., he's denying everything, even suggests maybe, just maybe it was the walnut liquor.
Trying to act all innocent with the police all over the place? That's pretty bold. Did it work?
Not even a little. They find some stuff on his computer that tells a very different story.
Okay, now we're getting somewhere. What did they find?
Searches on the darknet. Untraceable poisons. He was looking up how to, well, how to kill someone and get away with it. Potassium cyanide, botulinum toxin, the whole nine yards.
He wasn't messing around. Did they find proof that he actually bought the poison?
They did. Records show he used Bitcoin on the darknet to buy potassium cyanide. Anonymously, of course.
Trying to cover his tracks online? But what's so creepy is how calm he acted during the actual poisoning.
Right. I mean, reports say he was offering people snacks while paramedics were trying to save the victims.
It's like he was putting on this show like everything was normal. And meanwhile, he's the one who caused this whole thing.
Totally. And the story just keeps getting weirder as the investigation goes on. Jills L changes his story a bunch of times.
OK, so let's try to untangle those lies and figure out why he did it. What was his first excuse?
Well, first he claimed he didn't know anything about the poison. Then he admitted to giving them something, but said it was botulinum toxin, not potassium cyanide.
So he admits to poisoning them, but with something different. What was his reasoning?
He said he just wanted to make them sick, you know, mess up their trip to Thailand.
Seriously? Just to ruin their vacation? Seems a little extreme. Were they fighting or something?
Jalel claimed he felt left out of the vacation. But later on... evidence showed that he actually said no to the invitation.
So his story falls apart. What other motives were the investigators thinking about?
Well, they looked into the possibility that he was after money. Apparently, he asked about getting his sister's apartment right after she died.
Suspicious, for sure. So we've got a whole bunch of lies, conflicting stories, and some motives that don't really add up. What were the official charges?
Voluntary manslaughter by poisoning.
And what happened in court? What were the arguments from the prosecution and the defense?
The prosecution had a strong case. They focused on all the planning, how he got the poison, and how he tried to throw off the investigation.
Yeah, sounds like a slam dunk with the computer evidence and him changing his story. What did the defense say?
They tried to argue that he didn't intend to kill them. They said Juel thought he was giving them something that wouldn't be lethal. And they pointed out that he cooperated with the police, you know, giving them his computer and all.
Did that work? What was the verdict?
He got a life sentence. The maximum.
A life sentence? That's huge. Was that the end of it?
Not quite. Gilles L, he appealed the verdict, trying to get a lighter sentence under a different law. He claimed he didn't mean to kill them.
So he wanted them to change how they classified the crime. What happened with the appeal?
The appeals court, they upheld the life sentence. They didn't buy his story about it being an accident.
So the courts agreed. Intentional poisoning. But there were more consequences, right?
Oh yeah, way more. On top of prison. Gilles had to pay a ton of money to the victim's family.
That's how much you're talking.
Over 347,000 euros. A lot of money. Shows how much his actions really messed up their lives.
And he deserved it. What happened to his job?
He got suspended from being a police officer, obviously. He lost his freedom, his career, and a lot of money.
That's what happens when you do something like that. Were there any other legal actions against him?
There was an attempt to take away his inheritance from his sister. Since he was her heir, being convicted of her murder meant they could try to stop him from inheriting anything.
So even after the criminal trial, there were still consequences.
Exactly. And this case even started discussions in Luxembourg about the minimum sentence for crimes where the only punishment is life in prison. So his actions really made people rethink the law.
This whole thing is just so wild. How can a normal family lunch turn into something so horrible?
It's chilling. The digital trail is what really gets me. It was the key to figuring out what really happened.
It shows how important digital forensics are these days. It's like a digital fingerprint. Every click, every search, everything you do online leaves a mark.
Totally. In this day and age, what you do online can be just as incriminating as physical evidence.
It's almost like this double-edged sword, right? I mean, on the one hand, the darknet gave Schilzel this way to get potassium cyanide without anyone knowing. But then it also left all those clues that got him caught.
Yeah, for sure. It just shows how technology can be used for both. good and bad, I guess. It's a tricky thing for law enforcement.
I can imagine. I mean, getting into that part of the internet, the darknet, must take some serious skills, right?
Absolutely. It's not like you just, you know, stumble across it. You need special software, you need to know what you're doing, and a lot of times you even need countries to work together to track these guys down.
And what about the good side? I'm guessing it's because even when these criminals think they're being super sneaky, they still mess up and leave traces online, right?
Exactly. The dark net isn't some magical place where everything just vanishes. It's got its own rules, its own communities, even its own marketplaces. Just like in the real world, if you do something on the dark net, there are going to be consequences.
So for the police, understanding this whole dark net thing, it's becoming more and more important.
Huge. It's always changing. So investigators have to keep up, learn new tricks. As criminals come up with new ways to use technology, the police got to be one step ahead.
It sounds like something out of a movie. But it's real. This case shows how connected the digital world is to the real world, even when we're talking about something as serious as murder.
And it's only going to get more connected as technology keeps advancing. Criminals and investigators, they're both going to have even more powerful tools.
Kind of scary to think about, right? What does this all mean for criminal investigations in the future?
Yeah, it's a big question. Experts are trying to figure it out right now. Artificial intelligence, big data. Even virtual reality, they're looking at all sorts of crazy stuff to help solve crimes.
It's like we're entering a whole new world of crime and punishment. The line between online and real life is getting blurrier and blurrier.
Totally. A brave new world. I wonder how the legal system is going to handle all this.
Well, I think we've covered a lot of ground in this deep dive.
Yeah, we have. We started with the poisoning itself, talked about the trial, and then all these bigger issues that this case brings up.
And we've learned some pretty unsettling things about people. about how powerful technology can be, and about how justice works in this crazy world.
I hope this deep dive gave you, you know, not just the facts of the case, but a better idea of all this stuff going on behind the scenes.
It's a lot to take in. And I encourage you, keep thinking about these issues. Talk to people, consider different points of view, and use what you've learned to be a more informed citizen.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Knowledge is power, right? And understanding is the first step to making things better. Thanks for joining us for this deep dive. Until next time, stay curious, stay informed, and keep asking those questions that make you think.
You know what's really stuck with me through all of this? It's just, like, so creepy how this completely normal family lunch turned into, well, a murder scene.
Yeah, it shows you can't always judge a book by its cover, right? Bad things can happen anywhere, even when you least expect it.
Totally. And the dark net, it gave Gilles El this way to, like, secretly get his hands on that poison.
But we have to remember, the dark net itself isn't good or bad. It's just a tool. Like any tool, it depends on who's using it and what they're using it for.
True. So how are the police dealing with all this? I mean, how do you even investigate crimes that happen in this hidden part of the internet?
It's a constant challenge. They're always having to come up with new ways to catch criminals on the dark net. It takes a lot of expertise, special software. And countries have to work together a lot of the time.
It's like a whole new world of detective work, almost.
Yeah, kind of. But the good thing is, most criminals make mistakes. They think they're being anonymous, but they leave little clues behind. And those clues can be enough to bring them down.
So even on the dark net, you can't really hide completely?
Nope. It's not a free-for-all. If you do something bad, there will be consequences. And investigators are getting better and better at figuring out what really happened.
This case really shows how important digital forensics is these days. It's like a whole new type of detective work, finding clues in the digital world.
For sure. And as technology gets more advanced, digital forensics is going to be even more crucial for solving crimes.
It's pretty mind-blowing when you think about it. The line between the real world and the digital world, it's just getting thinner and thinner. And that changes everything about how we investigate crimes and punish criminals.
Absolutely. This case is a perfect example. Gilles L., he thought he could use the darknet to get away with murder. But in the end, it was the digital trail he left behind that got him caught.
It's a pretty scary thought, right? Even if you plan something perfectly, you can still leave traces online.
And those traces, they can be the key to finding out the truth.
Well, I think we've covered just about everything in this case. We've gone over all the details, looked at the evidence, and talked about what it means for the police in the courts.
Yeah, it's been a really interesting deep dive. I hope everyone listening has a better understanding of not just this case, but also how crime is changing in the digital age.
This case definitely makes you think, why would someone do something so terrible? How is technology being used for both good and bad? And how are we going to deal with crime in the future?
We live in a complicated world and it's changing all the time. We have to keep learning and adapting if we want to stay ahead of the criminals.
Well said. I think that's a good place to wrap up our deep dive for today. Thanks for listening, everyone. We hope you found this episode informative.
And don't stop here. Keep learning about digital forensics, the darknet, and all the ways technology is affecting crime.
The more we know, the better prepared we'll be for whatever comes next in this crazy digital world. Thanks again for joining us.
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The Gilles L. case is a dark story of family betrayal. In 2016, in Bereldange, Luxembourg, Gilles L. poisoned his sister and brother-in-law. Motivated by financial disputes, Gilles administered poison in drinks he offered to his victims during a family meal...
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All right, let's jump into a case that's honestly pretty unsettling. We're going to be looking at a couple that was poisoned back in 2016 in Baroldonge, Luxembourg. So picture this. You've got a normal family lunch. Yeah, nothing too crazy. And then suddenly two of the guests just get really sick.
And what really grabs you about this case is just the amount of info we've got. I mean, we're talking newspaper articles from over the years. We've got court documents, even people who are there telling their stories. It's wild. Trying to put it all together.
Yeah. And I guess that's our job today, right? We've got to break this thing down, see how it all happened, figure out what drove this person to do something so awful. We're starting back on September 25th, 2016. It was a Sunday, quiet town, barrel donge. Families getting together for lunch. Everything seems totally normal until, as you said, two guests just fall ill.
And what's really strange is nobody knows why they died so suddenly. So. Of course, the police, they jump right in. Full investigation.
Yeah, total chaos. Yeah. Where did the investigators even start? What are they looking at first?
So they started with this batch of walnut liqueur. The victims had some, you know, while they were out hiking earlier that day.
Okay, so food poisoning makes sense. But then things get dark.
Really dark. Toxicology report comes back. Potassium cyanide. This wasn't some bad liqueur. Someone poisoned them.
Potassium cyanide. That's not something you just find lying around. This was planned, right? Oh,
absolutely premeditated. And that's when everyone starts looking at the guy hosting the lunch, Gilles L. He was a police officer and turns out the brother of the woman who died.
Whoa, wait a minute. The host was a cop. That's crazy.
Yeah, it is. And at first, Gilles L., he's denying everything, even suggests maybe, just maybe it was the walnut liquor.
Trying to act all innocent with the police all over the place? That's pretty bold. Did it work?
Not even a little. They find some stuff on his computer that tells a very different story.
Okay, now we're getting somewhere. What did they find?
Searches on the darknet. Untraceable poisons. He was looking up how to, well, how to kill someone and get away with it. Potassium cyanide, botulinum toxin, the whole nine yards.
He wasn't messing around. Did they find proof that he actually bought the poison?
They did. Records show he used Bitcoin on the darknet to buy potassium cyanide. Anonymously, of course.
Trying to cover his tracks online? But what's so creepy is how calm he acted during the actual poisoning.
Right. I mean, reports say he was offering people snacks while paramedics were trying to save the victims.
It's like he was putting on this show like everything was normal. And meanwhile, he's the one who caused this whole thing.
Totally. And the story just keeps getting weirder as the investigation goes on. Jills L changes his story a bunch of times.
OK, so let's try to untangle those lies and figure out why he did it. What was his first excuse?
Well, first he claimed he didn't know anything about the poison. Then he admitted to giving them something, but said it was botulinum toxin, not potassium cyanide.
So he admits to poisoning them, but with something different. What was his reasoning?
He said he just wanted to make them sick, you know, mess up their trip to Thailand.
Seriously? Just to ruin their vacation? Seems a little extreme. Were they fighting or something?
Jalel claimed he felt left out of the vacation. But later on... evidence showed that he actually said no to the invitation.
So his story falls apart. What other motives were the investigators thinking about?
Well, they looked into the possibility that he was after money. Apparently, he asked about getting his sister's apartment right after she died.
Suspicious, for sure. So we've got a whole bunch of lies, conflicting stories, and some motives that don't really add up. What were the official charges?
Voluntary manslaughter by poisoning.
And what happened in court? What were the arguments from the prosecution and the defense?
The prosecution had a strong case. They focused on all the planning, how he got the poison, and how he tried to throw off the investigation.
Yeah, sounds like a slam dunk with the computer evidence and him changing his story. What did the defense say?
They tried to argue that he didn't intend to kill them. They said Juel thought he was giving them something that wouldn't be lethal. And they pointed out that he cooperated with the police, you know, giving them his computer and all.
Did that work? What was the verdict?
He got a life sentence. The maximum.
A life sentence? That's huge. Was that the end of it?
Not quite. Gilles L, he appealed the verdict, trying to get a lighter sentence under a different law. He claimed he didn't mean to kill them.
So he wanted them to change how they classified the crime. What happened with the appeal?
The appeals court, they upheld the life sentence. They didn't buy his story about it being an accident.
So the courts agreed. Intentional poisoning. But there were more consequences, right?
Oh yeah, way more. On top of prison. Gilles had to pay a ton of money to the victim's family.
That's how much you're talking.
Over 347,000 euros. A lot of money. Shows how much his actions really messed up their lives.
And he deserved it. What happened to his job?
He got suspended from being a police officer, obviously. He lost his freedom, his career, and a lot of money.
That's what happens when you do something like that. Were there any other legal actions against him?
There was an attempt to take away his inheritance from his sister. Since he was her heir, being convicted of her murder meant they could try to stop him from inheriting anything.
So even after the criminal trial, there were still consequences.
Exactly. And this case even started discussions in Luxembourg about the minimum sentence for crimes where the only punishment is life in prison. So his actions really made people rethink the law.
This whole thing is just so wild. How can a normal family lunch turn into something so horrible?
It's chilling. The digital trail is what really gets me. It was the key to figuring out what really happened.
It shows how important digital forensics are these days. It's like a digital fingerprint. Every click, every search, everything you do online leaves a mark.
Totally. In this day and age, what you do online can be just as incriminating as physical evidence.
It's almost like this double-edged sword, right? I mean, on the one hand, the darknet gave Schilzel this way to get potassium cyanide without anyone knowing. But then it also left all those clues that got him caught.
Yeah, for sure. It just shows how technology can be used for both. good and bad, I guess. It's a tricky thing for law enforcement.
I can imagine. I mean, getting into that part of the internet, the darknet, must take some serious skills, right?
Absolutely. It's not like you just, you know, stumble across it. You need special software, you need to know what you're doing, and a lot of times you even need countries to work together to track these guys down.
And what about the good side? I'm guessing it's because even when these criminals think they're being super sneaky, they still mess up and leave traces online, right?
Exactly. The dark net isn't some magical place where everything just vanishes. It's got its own rules, its own communities, even its own marketplaces. Just like in the real world, if you do something on the dark net, there are going to be consequences.
So for the police, understanding this whole dark net thing, it's becoming more and more important.
Huge. It's always changing. So investigators have to keep up, learn new tricks. As criminals come up with new ways to use technology, the police got to be one step ahead.
It sounds like something out of a movie. But it's real. This case shows how connected the digital world is to the real world, even when we're talking about something as serious as murder.
And it's only going to get more connected as technology keeps advancing. Criminals and investigators, they're both going to have even more powerful tools.
Kind of scary to think about, right? What does this all mean for criminal investigations in the future?
Yeah, it's a big question. Experts are trying to figure it out right now. Artificial intelligence, big data. Even virtual reality, they're looking at all sorts of crazy stuff to help solve crimes.
It's like we're entering a whole new world of crime and punishment. The line between online and real life is getting blurrier and blurrier.
Totally. A brave new world. I wonder how the legal system is going to handle all this.
Well, I think we've covered a lot of ground in this deep dive.
Yeah, we have. We started with the poisoning itself, talked about the trial, and then all these bigger issues that this case brings up.
And we've learned some pretty unsettling things about people. about how powerful technology can be, and about how justice works in this crazy world.
I hope this deep dive gave you, you know, not just the facts of the case, but a better idea of all this stuff going on behind the scenes.
It's a lot to take in. And I encourage you, keep thinking about these issues. Talk to people, consider different points of view, and use what you've learned to be a more informed citizen.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Knowledge is power, right? And understanding is the first step to making things better. Thanks for joining us for this deep dive. Until next time, stay curious, stay informed, and keep asking those questions that make you think.
You know what's really stuck with me through all of this? It's just, like, so creepy how this completely normal family lunch turned into, well, a murder scene.
Yeah, it shows you can't always judge a book by its cover, right? Bad things can happen anywhere, even when you least expect it.
Totally. And the dark net, it gave Gilles El this way to, like, secretly get his hands on that poison.
But we have to remember, the dark net itself isn't good or bad. It's just a tool. Like any tool, it depends on who's using it and what they're using it for.
True. So how are the police dealing with all this? I mean, how do you even investigate crimes that happen in this hidden part of the internet?
It's a constant challenge. They're always having to come up with new ways to catch criminals on the dark net. It takes a lot of expertise, special software. And countries have to work together a lot of the time.
It's like a whole new world of detective work, almost.
Yeah, kind of. But the good thing is, most criminals make mistakes. They think they're being anonymous, but they leave little clues behind. And those clues can be enough to bring them down.
So even on the dark net, you can't really hide completely?
Nope. It's not a free-for-all. If you do something bad, there will be consequences. And investigators are getting better and better at figuring out what really happened.
This case really shows how important digital forensics is these days. It's like a whole new type of detective work, finding clues in the digital world.
For sure. And as technology gets more advanced, digital forensics is going to be even more crucial for solving crimes.
It's pretty mind-blowing when you think about it. The line between the real world and the digital world, it's just getting thinner and thinner. And that changes everything about how we investigate crimes and punish criminals.
Absolutely. This case is a perfect example. Gilles L., he thought he could use the darknet to get away with murder. But in the end, it was the digital trail he left behind that got him caught.
It's a pretty scary thought, right? Even if you plan something perfectly, you can still leave traces online.
And those traces, they can be the key to finding out the truth.
Well, I think we've covered just about everything in this case. We've gone over all the details, looked at the evidence, and talked about what it means for the police in the courts.
Yeah, it's been a really interesting deep dive. I hope everyone listening has a better understanding of not just this case, but also how crime is changing in the digital age.
This case definitely makes you think, why would someone do something so terrible? How is technology being used for both good and bad? And how are we going to deal with crime in the future?
We live in a complicated world and it's changing all the time. We have to keep learning and adapting if we want to stay ahead of the criminals.
Well said. I think that's a good place to wrap up our deep dive for today. Thanks for listening, everyone. We hope you found this episode informative.
And don't stop here. Keep learning about digital forensics, the darknet, and all the ways technology is affecting crime.
The more we know, the better prepared we'll be for whatever comes next in this crazy digital world. Thanks again for joining us.
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