Description

Farrah Abraham returns to Fargo Talks for her second appearance—this time alongside her daughter, Sophia Abraham, for a candid, funny, and disarmingly honest conversation about identity, internet culture, and mother–daughter dynamics in the public eye.

We get into Sophia’s new goth aesthetic (including her custom “fangs” and the dental process behind them), how both Farrah and Sophia use AI in smart, healthy ways, and what it really takes to protect your peace online. Farrah opens up about navigating criticism, academia, and why boundaries matter; Sophia shares how she stays confident, handles negativity, and why she chooses authenticity over performance. We also talk intermittent fasting, hydration, routines, dating standards, pre-production calls for podcasts, and the duo’s long-term vision as an iconic mother–daughter team. Plus, Sophia teases her first book in progress.

What you’ll hear:

Why Sophia chose permanent “fangs” and how composite bonding actually works

Practical ways they use AI for content, comments, and creative workflows

Intermittent fasting, hydration, and simple routines that changed daily life

Handling online hate, setting boundaries, and keeping family relationships healthy

Parenting in the era of Kick, Substack, and a million platforms

Goth style, spirituality, and separating aesthetics from belief

Dating expectations, red flags, and learning from past mistakes

Farrah on school reform, standing by your beliefs, and moving past franchise drama

Sophia’s social anxiety, why pre-production calls help, and saying “no” to protect peace

The next 10 years: building an “iconic duo” legacy—on their terms

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Transcription

• Speaker #0

  Welcome to Fargo Talks, ladies.

• Speaker #1

  Thank you for having me back. Thank you for having Sophia for the first time.

• Speaker #0

  Yes. Well, it's as a dad of a, and we talked before, of an almost 17-year-old stepdaughter. My daughter's 16, so I'm like, yes, of course.

• Speaker #1

  Yes, Sophia's 16, everyone's 16.

• Speaker #0

  Come on with her fangs.

• Speaker #1

  Let's check in. Oh, yeah.

• Speaker #0

  These are so bad.

• Speaker #1

  Fang day. She just got these on literally right before here.

• Speaker #0

  So Sophia, walk me through the mindset of just wake up one day and go, hi, golly, I want some fangs.

• Speaker #2

  You know, this was actually, I've been wanting fangs for like two years and I've just been seeing them on TikTok for a very long time. And I've always loved vampires and I've always wanted vampire teeth. And I've always tried on like those glued on ones that you do, but they just never like sit right on my teeth. So. These are made right. They fit right. And I love them.

• Speaker #0

  Those are like veneers. That's like legit fangs?

• Speaker #2

  It's composite bonding. So they just bond like tooth material onto your teeth.

• Speaker #1

  So it lasts like five to ten years.

• Speaker #2

  Or more.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  So we do a podcast in five years and you come back here, you're going to have those fangs on.

• Speaker #1

  Yes. That's awesome.

• Speaker #2

  Yes. Definitely.

• Speaker #1

  Sophia had me going to so many dentists, by the way, like last year, the year before. And I'm happy we found a really good dentist here in Las Vegas. So, yeah.

• Speaker #0

  How'd you find the dentist? Like who has the most like five-star fang reviews?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. After like everyone else that I was looking at, I think I just went fang crazy on the internet. And I was like, I need to find the best one.

• Speaker #2

  Did you use AI?

• Speaker #1

  Maybe I used AI. I do use AI pretty much for everything now. And it's been cutting out time.

• Speaker #0

  You do?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  ChatGPT is my new best friend.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  I was talking to Scott about it. I use it a lot now to prime the pump for engagement farming on posts. I use it to reply to comments. Oh,

• Speaker #1

  that's good.

• Speaker #0

  And what I'll do is I'll take a screenshot of the comment that the person leaves. And I'm going to chat to you. I dropped one today about how I think Gavin Newsom, my opinion, it's okay. Who's Gavin Newsom again? Is the most evil, is the most dangerous politician in the country right now. It's Gavin Newsom. So people are coming in and defending him that all live in California. Okay. I go to chat GPT and say, this is what I said. Yes. Here is a screenshot of the comment. Give me a biting comma factual reply.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. What did AI give you?

• Speaker #0

  Gold. Like one was like Star Wars theme and it gave me a Star Wars theme one back. Oh my God. So good. And then you just see the, you know, then the views go. Yeah. And just keep going up.

• Speaker #1

  I love it. Don't you love AI? It's like, oh, I wish we had this invention when we were like, you know. Five generations back.

• Speaker #0

  It's bananas. Yeah. Like what we're in now and you're seeing it, my love, is like what it's going to do, again, for good. There's a lot of not good stuff, but the good stuff is like just the time it saves you.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Like I don't want to sit and reply to all these comments. I don't want to think about the comments. Think about what am I going to say. We have lives.

• Speaker #1

  By the way, we used to do so much thinking that we didn't need it. We did not need to do that much thinking.

• Speaker #0

  It's so true.

• Speaker #1

  Life should be like.

• Speaker #0

  thoughtless like i don't even like to plan now it's just prompting if you can prompt well and tell and what's it you keep doing it enough yeah um i do it with my clips from here my team will like if we have a clip of you and i talking we'll take a 30 second clip we'll drop it into a platform called descript and pull the transcript of what's said and then it'll be like sophia jeff sophia jeff sophia jeff and then put it into a prompt in chat gpt and it creates headlines a video description for YouTube. With trending hashtags and a call to action to subscribe. And a thank you to my sponsor.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. Sophia, my podcast in the future. So she'll take some notes.

• Speaker #0

  Whenever. Let me know. I'm happy to help you out, kiddo. Seriously.

• Speaker #1

  Podcast notes.

• Speaker #0

  This is episode like 113, 114. And I look like this and still have like a decent like four to five million people a month are checking me out. Don't know why. My head looks like my neck threw up basically. Just is what it is. Oh, my God.

• Speaker #1

  There's so many guys around me who are like, I need to work on my neck. I'm I'm about ready to do a facelift actually.

• Speaker #2

  So you know what you need to watch.

• Speaker #0

  I know a guy here in town who was very good that was trained in Beverly Hills.

• Speaker #1

  I'm actually going to be doing it in Beverly Hills. Oh,

• Speaker #0

  that's where you want to go. I started intermittent fasting like two months ago.

• Speaker #1

  There you go. No neck surgery. We just fast.

• Speaker #0

  And I'm down 30 pounds. I've lost 30 pounds. My skin's gotten better. Like oily T-zone's kind of gone. I used to have more chins in the Chinese phone book. Like just crazy. And so. It's like Scott was like, dude, what's up? My wife today. What are you doing with your skin, honey? I'm like, I haven't touched your foundation. I'm just I'm 18 hours. I don't eat every single day and I eat clean.

• Speaker #1

  Wow.

• Speaker #0

  That's all. Don't eat all the time. Eat when you're, you know, eat. And when you eat, eat clean.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, literally. And then that's what we're about. Lots of hydration. Water, water, water, water, water, water. Yeah. Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  It's not that hard. I'm not that smart. I'm not that smart.

• Speaker #1

  I do feel like the majority of us dehydrate ourselves.

• Speaker #0

  I would say a majority of the population is dehydrated. Yes, they are. Right?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Because people just don't. Or like you're drinking soda.

• Speaker #1

  Or coffee.

• Speaker #0

  Or coffee.

• Speaker #1

  I mean, I started seeing legs in Austin, Texas. I don't know if I told Sophia about this. I started seeing legs like they were just like looking like, I don't know, shrivelly. Like, and honestly, it's because people are dehydrated. And it just looks like, I don't know if coagulated.

• Speaker #0

  Your legs are all nasty?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, like it's like coagulation on your legs and it affects your skin, right? So normally our legs are just smooth.

• Speaker #2

  Is it like cellulite or something?

• Speaker #1

  No, it is straight up from dehydration. So I kept asking because I was like. I think my legs are doing this now. And she's like, you are so dehydrated. She's like, so many people here don't realize that they're dehydrated. Austin, Texas, really, the air. As soon as we land, we're like, whoa, there's so much in it. We're having allergies. We're dehydrated. And I think people really need to hydrate so that they have smooth legs and skin. You're seeing the benefits. You're raving about these benefits.

• Speaker #0

  Just intermittent fast.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  I mean, not for you. You're too young. But you're young, but I'm old. I got to do it. I'm old. And so it's like, no. And once you start going past a certain amount of time, it's like past like 36 hours, your cells start to actually like get better and work on themselves. That's good. And so like all the toxic stuff just comes out in your pee. And that's it. So 12 to 16 ounces of water every hour.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  So I'm either drinking water or peeing all day long.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. And that's it. I'm going to have some water.

• Speaker #0

  Cheers to that. And then also it's like, don't eat after like, you know, six o'clock, 630. I know. I know. You guys are like, we're going to have third dinner by then.

• Speaker #1

  I will say this. So you say don't eat after six o'clock.

• Speaker #2

  She says don't eat after nine.

• Speaker #1

  I have a hard rule. I have a hard rule. Stop eating after 9 p.m. I'm like, we're rushing home. We need to eat. You better have that down your throat in 10 minutes. It's about to be nine. Because honestly, like. our just our kiddie and rhythms and our food and our stomachs and everything it just totally you feel like frumpy if you keep eating at 1 a.m and i'll feel frumpy oh you're like i gotta go to the gym mom we need to go to the gym you won't know frumpy until you're 30s okay you're fine how are you 16 yeah oh goodness gracious i have to say i have t-shirts older than you you're fine you don't even know what frump is i gotta say i'm sorry but there is an epidemic of You know, our kids not having good posture, not having good health, not having good regimens, you know. And I think that's something I really am like, hey, you need to get on a schedule. You need to have a routine. And that is the most important thing.

• Speaker #2

  You want to know how I was sleeping in the airplane?

• Speaker #1

  Successful adult.

• Speaker #2

  I was sleeping like this.

• Speaker #1

  I know. That's not good. Well, airplanes are not good for us. So it's not a you problem. It's an airplane problem.

• Speaker #2

  It's comfortable.

• Speaker #1

  Airplanes screw up people's backs.

• Speaker #2

  I can have a straight back whenever I want.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  No matter my posture.

• Speaker #1

  Well. All right,

• Speaker #0

  girls. Let's start with the questions.

• Speaker #2

  Okay.

• Speaker #0

  Because this is just, this is going to be a three-hour podcast of just like circadian rhythm and posture on plain postures. You guys are great. Do you ever feel like you've had to perform being yourselves instead of just living it? And that's for both of you.

• Speaker #2

  I feel like whenever I did YouTube. I did. It just felt like I had to be very bubbly all the time on YouTube and like be careful with what I said and like sound very proper. But otherwise, I didn't really feel like I had to perform in any way.

• Speaker #0

  Why? Why did you feel that way on YouTube?

• Speaker #2

  I don't know. It was just back in those years when I did YouTube. It just everyone was acting a certain way online and I feel like I had to perform like them.

• Speaker #0

  Did it work? Like, did you get subscribers and, you know, engagement?

• Speaker #2

  I did. Yeah. But honestly, it just, it didn't feel right.

• Speaker #0

  Was it draining? Yeah. Like your battery's like on E.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Right. Like you're done.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. So I kind of just stopped YouTube, but I am, I feel like I'm going to get back into it because I feel better now and a lot more confident.

• Speaker #0

  At your own pace and not at the pace of your perceived audience. Right. Just to kind of keep your own personal energy to yourself. Yeah. And whatever comes out, comes out naturally as Sophia and not Sophia trying to impress her audience.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, you know, just having my own humor and not other people's. Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Farrah.

• Speaker #1

  I mean, do you think when we went live, like for live streaming on kick, that was when you looked at each other and we were like, this feels almost like reality television.

• Speaker #2

  I mean, just having the cameras on you for multiple hours feels like that. But I didn't feel like I had to perform in any way. No, I was just acting like myself.

• Speaker #1

  I don't know why for us, like YouTube has been a very hard thing for us to navigate. I even feel like it's like I'm trying to share my life with them on YouTube. But I don't like to be so scripted, like hit the like button, subscribe. Like we would be at the pool and these kid YouTubers who are, again, famous, millions and millions of viewers. I just don't want to see my child at a pool reciting like subscribe, hit the like button. I'm like he's talking to himself and he is like, like he's stuck. He's screwed up. And. I just saw so many kids in Hollywood and at different award shows literally not really being taken care of and not really being looked at as like children and human, like, I guess, human beings. And I'm like, I don't know what this kid's going to be like when he grows up, but like to just revolve around verbiage to be successful on YouTube. That was just something that I had a hard time with. And I very much said that to Sophia. So.

• Speaker #0

  Well, and look at your personal content that you're putting out. Do you feel like you have to perform?

• Speaker #1

  I don't really go by anything. I don't perform. And I don't think it's really possible for me unless like you give me a teleprompter, which on television was easy, especially for my after show specials and hosting and whatever. Give me a teleprompter. But that's me being professional. It's not like I'm I got like some crazy thing stuck in my head.

• Speaker #0

  That's I think that's different to have a teleprompter is fine.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  But to like you were talking about and what a great lesson to learn younger to be like, I don't want to be that person. That's exhausting.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  To do that. Hey, like, subscribe, comment. Fuck you. Yeah. No one wants to be that. And you come off as disingenuous when you're doing that.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Just be you.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. It's really I don't know. I don't know if any other parents get to see like Disney parents. certain parents in Hollywood or Nickelodeon parents or just YouTuber kid parents. I really, really just like feel like now I understand why so many Disney kids come out screwed up. I really like because I got to see that. I mean, I wanted Sophia to enjoy like, you know, awards and whatever else, you know, other kids get to enjoy that and they go with their parents. And I was just like, this is not what I thought it was, even for me as a kid. I didn't get that. But I was just like, well, this is not my cup of tea if it's screwing up kids' minds. Because beyond what you formalize and beyond what you repeat every day, there are so many levels of growing up and change and just to be stunted and stuck, a stuck point. Those are traumatizing things that I've even worked through. So I just I'm very careful about that with my daughter.

• Speaker #0

  How hard is it to parent Sophia these days? given everything that's going on. Not that she's a bad kid, because you're not, but it's more about like with AI, internet, live streaming, kick, sub stack. Like there's 18 million different platforms out there. It's like my head explodes, right? And unless you're snorting 75 milligrams of Adderall every day, you know, you're just doomed. So how do you parent?

• Speaker #1

  Well, I will say with all of the platforms, there is one platform, an AI platform, You post one thing and it goes out to all of the platforms. Thank God. To relieve everybody from that. But I think I don't have an issue with all the platforms, Sophia. To what context?

• Speaker #0

  The context of navigating the waters that she can be herself, but also protecting her from the nastiness that's also the dark side of social media.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. How would you answer that, Sophia? How do I do that?

• Speaker #2

  I mean, I feel like I don't really need her help anymore since I've basically grown up with it my whole life. And I kind of just taught myself in a way to not be affected by any negative comments or rumors that people would tell me online or in real life. And I've kind of just grown up from that and I don't really care about that anymore. And if I do see a negative comment that I really care about. I would just block them and move on.

• Speaker #1

  There was a big learning lesson of that. And I think it was the moments where we have some very deep, hurtful, transformational, transitional times in our lives and that we kindly share online. that have been just abused. I think one was where our dog just passed away unbeknownst to us. And we just tried to share that because he was a part of our TV show. He was a part of our lives. People loved he was his own character. And they blamed Sophia at a time for that. But they were making it up in comments. And I think unless you hear something from someone. whether it's my job profession or if something passed away and how it passed away. I think people really need to lean into like consent, what is said and just know like, again, people call me a bully, but I'm going to just say it like it is. Bullying in comments, abusive gaslighting, just straight up lies. That's abuse in comments. I just don't tolerate it. So I think I raised my daughter to just know like, yeah. We've been on covers of magazines where they're basically bullying your mom, saying she doesn't want to have you anymore, or is lying that I don't want to have you or something. And they don't care about the human or the lives that they affect. And I think that beyond social media being dark, I think that is the darkness in our world completely. And I think the majority of humans who talk negatively about other humans or label them negatively. Let's just call it for what it is. You hate humans. That is sad for you. I love humans. I love the gift that I've been given from being on television with my daughter and the gift of humans and the gift of people and how that's enriched my life. That's a gift. And I think like no matter the wrongs of producers, the wrongs of journalism, the wrongs of haters on the internet, I'm gonna still love humans. I think I wanted my daughter. to never let people who hate humans affect her. I think I've said that pretty loudly a couple of times. Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  I love that. Are you an optimist, Sophia?

• Speaker #2

  What does that mean?

• Speaker #0

  That means that you are, it's like when you have a glass of water and the glass is half full of water and you go, oh, I have a glass half full of water, not, oh, it's half empty. That would be a pessimist, someone that's more like negative. An optimist is more positive about their outlook on life.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, I would say I am that fully.

• Speaker #0

  I think you are too. Yeah. Because of that one right there.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Because of your mama.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Right? Which is a wonderful mom gift to give to your daughter. You know, it's just because I have, you know, two kids and a stepdaughter that I consider my daughter. And I parent every day like it's my last. Because you just don't know.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, you never know. Right?

• Speaker #0

  As a mom, you just don't know.

• Speaker #1

  You do not know.

• Speaker #0

  Heaven forbid. But like, I'm like, I could walk out of here and get hit by a bus. My kids know that. Seriously. You just don't know.

• Speaker #1

  But that's what I feel like.

• Speaker #0

  It's like my kids know that I love them very much and I know they love me very much. Yes. That's it.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. And you don't judge other people. You just, you know what, you're trying to make yourself better than you were yesterday. You're going to fail miserably at stuff. That's okay. You know, and it's so great to have a support system here that when you do take that gut punch sometimes, you've got someone to hold you and love you and go, baby, it's okay.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  And we'll live and fight another day.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  You know, that's pretty cool because a lot of kids don't have that.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  And that's kind of neat.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  I love her because she's a greaser, everything I say. This is going to be a seven-hour podcast. Jeff and Sophia's show. This is great. I love it. Farrah, when you look at Sophia now, what part of yourself do you see the most and what's completely her own?

• Speaker #1

  What part of me? Does Sophia show, did you say?

• Speaker #0

  What part of Sophia do you see of you in her the most?

• Speaker #1

  Hmm. Did you get that? Yeah. Okay. I guess I don't really see much of me in Sophia.

• Speaker #0

  No? I do.

• Speaker #1

  No, Jeff. What do you think? No?

• Speaker #0

  Well, what do you think? Answer your question for your mother. What do you think?

• Speaker #2

  Um,

• Speaker #0

  is there is there one thing that you is there is there one personality trait that you possess that you think you get from your mom? Um,

• Speaker #2

  maybe her confidence, I would say. I mean, I guess physical traits. She doesn't really agree with it. But I'd say like my eyes in a slight way, specifically when I'm wearing black eyeliner on my water lid. Um. I feel like my eyes kind of look like hers.

• Speaker #1

  Uh-huh.

• Speaker #2

  Like when she was like 16.

• Speaker #0

  I think the first thing you said, your confidence. Absolutely. You get that from mama.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Which is super cool. Yeah. That's so, like, double down on that, man. Double down on that. That's so awesome. Yeah. What's one thing that you think is completely like your own thing that's not your mom at all? It's Sophia and nobody else's and you own it.

• Speaker #2

  Everything.

• Speaker #0

  Everything else?

• Speaker #2

  Physically and online, everything. Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  I love that. Yeah. I love that. Sophia, what's one thing your mom has overcome that made you proud in a way fans would never understand?

• Speaker #2

  I think dealing with drama and hate and specifically overcoming family problems and generational holdbacks, I would say. I feel like she's... Like, sorry, my words, like I have a very hard time finding the right words sometimes. Hey,

• Speaker #0

  look at me. Yeah, just take your time. Look at me. You're fine. Yeah. And you're doing great. And you take as much time as you want to.

• Speaker #2

  I just, I feel very proud of her for not acting like her family and the negative parts of them and moving on from them and not really going back to them and feeling like she needs them in her life. Because I feel like that's a very toxic thing after everything that they've done to her and, I guess, us. So I'm very proud of her for that.

• Speaker #1

  Thank you, Sophia. I really appreciate it.

• Speaker #0

  That was really sweet.

• Speaker #1

  I really appreciate it.

• Speaker #0

  That was really sweet. As a parent, the best thing we can do is make our kids better versions of us.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  That's all we can do. And, I mean. My parents tried it with me. I was still in therapy. It's okay. My goal is to have my kids in less therapy than I was. That's it. You know? And so for you to say that, to know that you've seen your mom's power, and she's a powerful woman, but also she's really freaking cool.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Because she does it with grace, how she handles herself. And some say it's bullying. I say it's confidence. It's who she is. And that's something that you have as well. And I guarantee you, your mom beams every time she sees you acting confidently because she knows that that's something she's passed on to you.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  You know? Yeah. And that's neat.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, it is.

• Speaker #0

  So you can go ahead and have six dinners tonight now and celebrate your country. You can confidently order 17 mozzarella sticks if you want to somewhere.

• Speaker #1

  Let's go.

• Speaker #0

  For both of you, what does peace look like for you now?

• Speaker #1

  Crowd surfing and rave nights.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. Yeah, I'd say traveling a lot. That's peace. Sleeping in. That's peace.

• Speaker #1

  A mom not ever waking you up and driving you crazy. That's peace.

• Speaker #2

  Yes, yes. I mean, sometimes you do wake me up early in the morning, but, you know.

• Speaker #0

  How early is early?

• Speaker #2

  Like 9 a.m.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, it's so early.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, my good hell.

• Speaker #2

  It's terrible.

• Speaker #0

  I can see she has bags in her eyes I can see it's terrible when you get like tea bags or something or cucumbers and then put those on oh my gosh yeah um I feel like peace is getting vampire fangs uh getting tattoos piercings

• Speaker #2

  um my mom allowing me to do the things that I want to do in life I feel like that's peace yeah what's your definition of peace miss Farrah peace to me which I've worked so hard to have in my life Thank you.

• Speaker #1

  Like I went to a trauma center to get to that because my life was very unpeaceful. Not that probably everybody else felt that, but it was just like very unsettling within myself. I think peace to me means everything in the world. And peace looks like me waking up to five minute meditations. I do midday meditations. And I do nighttime meditations. And sometimes I just let the whole night be frequencies. And I think sound healing, frequency healing is peaceful. I mean, I don't know. My house is so peaceful now that I never thought I'd have a peaceful house like this. My phone is so peaceful now. I never thought I'd have a peaceful phone like this. Like I am just blessed every day. Like literally.

• Speaker #0

  Is your home like Superman has his fortress of solitude? Is that your house is like your fortress of solitude? Yeah. Like when you get home, it's like.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, I like to literally not have anyone in it. And I think it's because I probably let too many people in my home growing up when I had Sophia early on. And those people ended up being very, very, very hurtful, toxic. And really just hurting, breaking apart my home. So, yeah, my home is very amazing now.

• Speaker #0

  That's wonderful.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Because you know who you're setting the example for to have a peaceful home as well? Right there.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, I hope she has an amazing house.

• Speaker #0

  She will.

• Speaker #1

  She can't wait.

• Speaker #2

  I can't wait.

• Speaker #0

  Are you like dying to get out and get your own place and do your own thing?

• Speaker #2

  Well, yes. God's house. Mostly because I wanted to be like, what's the thing that we're going to tonight? A haunted house. Yeah, I want it to be like a haunted house, but it's my house, you know? Like, I want fog machines in them. Every wall is going to be painted black. I just want to decorate the whole thing spooky, and it's going to be Halloween 24-7 there.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  That's my dream.

• Speaker #0

  You'll have, like, the coolest house on the block.

• Speaker #2

  Yes.

• Speaker #0

  Like, kids will come trick-or-treating every night. Yes. And you'll probably have candy for them, so it'll be fun. Yes.

• Speaker #1

  Yes, I will. That's awesome. Sophia does decor of goth Halloween, like, all year round. Like, her room. Is that which I love, but it's not going to go in the entirety of my home.

• Speaker #0

  How long have you had your goth look?

• Speaker #2

  I'd say I was starting to go into this look like in 2023 really is when I started doing that. Yeah, I mean, it's been a transition. I'm still kind of transitioning with my makeup skills, but. I'm almost there. I'm almost at the finish line. But yeah, I feel like in like 2021, that's when I started really changing up my look. And I found what goth people were like in 2022. But I feel like I was always just scared to take like that big leap into like going into the dark aesthetic. I don't know why I was just like, do I really want to do this yet? Or like, should I just keep dyeing my hair all these colors so recently in september i decided to dye my hair orange neon orange and my hairstylist was like you better not go back to black or else your hair will be damaged and i was like yeah like i'm gonna go back to black by probably the end of this month honestly and then probably go back to vibrant hair what reactions you get from the public from your look um they were like are you a devil worshiper And stuff like that. And I was like, no.

• Speaker #1

  My daughter goes to church.

• Speaker #2

  Like, I'm Christian. And actually, this cross just means eternal life. It's not devil worshipping or anything.

• Speaker #0

  That's great.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. But a lot of people had something to say, but I honestly couldn't care less. And, you know, sometimes my mom does ask me, like, what would so-and-so think of this before, like, I make a really big decision about, like, a piercing or something? And I'm just like, I don't care about anyone. things, honestly, no matter who it is. I just, I want to be myself and I want to keep growing and become who I want to be and look like.

• Speaker #0

  You live for you.

• Speaker #2

  Yes.

• Speaker #0

  Right.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  And that's all that matters.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Right. As long as you're not harming yourself, which you're not, you know, and you have a, you have a great teacher, uh, you know, to guide you right over there, which is you, by the way, it's you. Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  It's you,

• Speaker #0

  my little friend. applaud you for your independence.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  I don't think that many young ladies would do what you do and pull it off and you do it and you do it with grace. And that's pretty cool.

• Speaker #2

  Thank you.

• Speaker #0

  You're welcome. I like that. I just, cause you put out just a really cool vibe.

• Speaker #2

  Thank you.

• Speaker #0

  You know, it's, it's, it's wonderful. And it's more kids should, I say your kid is cause you're 16. I'm Sorry, I don't mean to date you. But it's like. you you're far more mature than you know than people twice your age they're more concerned about like oh my god what i look like today and you know the whole thing like no no you're just like this is me and if you don't like me i don't care because i'm doing this for me yeah

• Speaker #1

  and that's it yeah like i really love supporting sophia like even if we were like going to whole foods and she's wearing like her you know i don't even know seven inch combat boots and like whatever Like I've had men just start like laughing or just being disrespectful. And I'm like, you're laughing because you have no style. You're laughing because someone took a chance today and you haven't. Like, so I just feel like I love my daughter and how she expresses herself because I was.

• Speaker #0

  in this cookie cutter public school, you know, looking like a cheerleader, you know, matching bows, doing all this like herd mentality, like perfectionist, like that's where perfection addiction started. It was like fitting into a herd, looking all the same. And I think I just kind of started stripping that off my identity with identity work. And that's why I love supporting my daughter who knows what she wants. And it doesn't matter what everybody else, you know, wants for her. Like they don't live in our lives. And I think that's super important. So a lot of my other friends who have gothic daughters, homeschooled children, they often say like the reaction that they get is that their kid doesn't believe in God or their kid is satanic. And I'm like aesthetics have nothing to do with your spirituality or the religion you choose. Or like your faith or your belief, your relationship with God, like your aesthetics is just, it's a fashion choice.

• Speaker #1

  It's just whenever somebody, and this is just a psychological fact. If somebody is laughing at you, at you, at me, whatever, they're sad. And it's their sadness is being masked by anger. And the anger is being molded into, you know, bullying and being abrasive. That's what it is. If you peel all that stuff back inside, they're super unhappy with who they are.

• Speaker #0

  I know they would want to wear bold outfits. They just haven't taken that step yet.

• Speaker #1

  My son is nine, and he's a redhead with blue eyes, and he's the best. And he's going as Jason for Halloween with a hockey mask and all that, right? And so I'm like, do it. Let's go. Jack, do it. Let's go. Let's go. I'm taking him trick-or-treating in our neighborhood. and he has like a like a machete with like fake blood on liquid on it already.

• Speaker #2

  I had that last year, I swear.

• Speaker #1

  So he can't, at his school, they won't let him bring like weapons. So he's bringing a lightsaber instead. Why? He's going to be Jason with a lightsaber. And I said, I said, Jack Jeffrey Fargo, if anybody can pull off Jason with a lightsaber, it's you, my little love. Yeah, let's go. Go forth and kill any Sith Lords that you see during first period. Take care of them.

• Speaker #0

  Oh my God.

• Speaker #1

  Cut them in half.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. I wonder what the teachers think about that verbiage.

• Speaker #1

  I can't wait. I'll get a call. I'm sure I'll get a call. But it's just, it's these days. And then something I want to talk about with you guys is we live in such a critical world now. And with social media, with judgmental society that we're in, how hard is it to fly your own flag and do your own thing and be your own person?

• Speaker #2

  It's not hard for me.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, I think my daughter sees me like be the one person in the room. Ganged up against like 20 other people on my calls and my work and my school.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  So I stand very firm in what I believe in.

• Speaker #1

  So speaking of firmness and what you believe in, you guys talk politics at all or do you not care about politics at all?

• Speaker #0

  So they always ask me about politics.

• Speaker #2

  I personally do not talk about politics. She doesn't talk about it. I don't.

• Speaker #0

  Okay.

• Speaker #1

  Okay. That's fine. I respect that. My daughter. Full disclosure. My daughter. I'm. I'm more moderate, right? My daughter is over here. Still love her. I said, honey bunny. It's okay. I'm Gen X. We can still have conversations and disagree. I still love you with the heat of a thousand suns. I love you.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  And it's okay if we, that's the part of social media I can't stand is if we disagree on social, you're dead to me. I want nothing to do with you. No.

• Speaker #0

  It's about keeping dialogue going.

• Speaker #1

  Let's keep talking.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Right. I mean, that's all. It's totally OK. I think you're wonderful. And so whatever your political beliefs are, I back up 100 percent. I'm Team Sophia. I'll fly that flag. OK. Seriously, I just think that more people need to be able to be open about disagreements.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, it's OK. I mean, so like growing up for me, for instance, my grandparents would go and talk about politics at the mall. And I'd go with them and I'd enjoy it. And I love just looking at all these conversations. I love figuring out what I believed in. I would, you know, ask my grandfather questions. We would have like, I think his name was Rush Limbaugh. There were some really, really good men on the radio growing up who would talk about every kind of side of politics so you could have reasoning. And I think when you don't have those voices that people have tried to hush, cancel. and quit those people, you don't really get a full rounded sense of politics and your views. And I think like even at church this year, I think it was the presidential election. Church this year, the pastors were bringing in like your Christianity into how you vote. They didn't want the church, you know, not being able to come together. You can have your side. Everybody can have their own thing. And this is, but we're going to just talk about normal reasoning, normal beliefs. If your church beliefs are in there. And I thought that was beautiful. I shared it with Sophia and I was like, you have to have a way of sorting through things and reasoning. You do not just believe anybody. and what they say or somebody else's beliefs because it's not going to work for you. Again, you are your own person and you need to figure that out. And so, yeah, I love all the things that I've shown her of working through politics and views. And also, it's not you shouldn't be traumatized by politics. I think that's the reason why I talk to my child about politics is if you are consistently stuck thinking or negative due to politics. You're letting politics traumatize you, and I need you to be stronger than that. I need you to work through that, and I need you to focus on getting other things done. So that is really why I, as a parent, work through politics and just get it going and get it through there, because other people will hurt and harm their lives or families or health, their wealth, because of their traumatization around politics.

• Speaker #1

  Well said. It's true. I mean, you know your mom loves you, right? All that matters.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  All that matters. And that it's cool that if you, again, I totally respect where you're coming from. You don't have to talk about it. But you know that you have a safe space. You can still talk to your mother.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Right? And that's all that freaking matters.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  So, Farrah, this is for you.

• Speaker #0

  I wonder why you're so tight-lipped about that politics here.

• Speaker #2

  It's because people always have something to say about either side that you're on. and I just feel like me personally I wouldn't want to put anything that I believe in other than like religion obviously out there because people just you know like social media just controls a lot of your social life and I feel like people have very strong beliefs when it comes to politics and they're like oh you believe in this flip you we're unfollowing you blah blah blah and it goes the same with both sides I feel like so I just choose not to talk about it at all Because then nothing happens.

• Speaker #0

  I just choose to stand up for what's right. And I don't care if I have follows. And that's okay.

• Speaker #2

  And I fully support you for doing that. It's just my personal opinion.

• Speaker #0

  So in real life, when we really have to go through things in our family, how do you feel about that? It's not about likes or upsetment on social.

• Speaker #2

  What do you mean?

• Speaker #0

  So like in our family, our family. is all over the place. Like they think all sorts of stuff. So do you share your point of view or do you just hear them out?

• Speaker #2

  I don't think I've ever talked to them about how I feel.

• Speaker #0

  I know that's why I'm asking Sophia. I think that this is interesting about my daughter. So because your other kids in our family that are around your age, they all are, they'll talk, they'll state. They'll say like they try to just change up the whole dynamic, change you, change your feelings, change how you call them names. Like you can't even call them by their own name anymore. And I just kind of don't roll with it because I'm like, I've known you kids. I respect real changes, but I also am not like in denial. And I think Sophia can be so kind to a fault. And this is what I always tell my daughter. The one thing that I most regret in life is being too kind to the wrong things, the wrong maybe missions, purposes. So I always say don't be too kind. And I know that might be like the bully, the bully tagline of everything. But looking back at my life at a trauma center and hearing everybody else out, what spoke true to hearing everybody's stories was everyone was too kind to the wrong people. And being misled. And so I just, I really have like my foot down internally of my family with that. Yeah. Sophia really keeps it to herself.

• Speaker #1

  She's good.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. Sophia really.

• Speaker #1

  She's good. Honey, do me a favor. Bring this a little bit closer to you. Okay. Thank you. Farrah, this is going along with, we're going to talk politics for a second. Farrah. Why not? You were, so all right. Farrah, you're expelled from your master's program after expressing your views about Trump. What did that. teach you about standing by your beliefs and handling unfair treatment?

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. So I think for one, politics do not need to be brought into school dynamics. But when you have conduct departments, you have teachers basically stalking you. And I think like that's that is a very harmful thing of being a public figure and trying to do anything or have any success. I mean, that is why I'm successful, honestly, is because I've had to deal with people finding any little thing, politics included. to harm you with it. So I think like seeing irrational radical left taking over in a hostile manner, our school systems, our graduate school systems. And then, yeah, you know, Charlie Kirk died while I'm getting a master's program. Of course, I'm going to talk about that. You know, someone almost got shot in the head and couldn't be a president. So, of course, I talked about that. There has just been very big things that are changing everybody's lives. And again, I like humans. And so I will stand up for humanity and I will talk about it. And that is a sad reason why I got expelled, I guess, for my my beliefs and them stalking my social media and anything that I say outside of school.

• Speaker #1

  What school was it?

• Speaker #0

  Western Governors University, which is actually an online self-paced school. How you could expel someone for their own self-paced program. is against our civil rights, is against the law, and the majority of them don't show up to work or school, but they do show up to harm and hurt your own dreams, your own goals, and get in the way of that, which in turn fails the mission of all universities, which is to increase their graduation rates. So I've spoken, and I don't care to waste my time on people who have no degrees and licenses. just put letters behind their names. You can have PhDs, you can have doctorates. But if you're dumber than a box of rocks and you're expelling people for doing nothing, then I don't even know why we have schools anymore. So do I believe my daughter should get a degree and be successful in education? Yes. Do I believe there's a huge, massive school reform that's undergoing very much louder than probably a hundred years before us? yeah, I think that there's something major, majorly going to have to change in schools from speaking to attorneys and my new legal team who's going to win. So, yeah, I can't wait. And I can't wait to also get my law degree because I'm on to my doctorate, my JD. And I can't wait to do pro bono work against these universities who are expelling amazing students. So, yeah, I mean, they just all light the fire right under me, you know, wrongfully fire me from a show that I create. Just. cancel me out of my own degree program that I pay for. There's just a lot of great learning lessons that never take me out. So

• Speaker #1

  I love your brain.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  I love her brain so much.

• Speaker #0

  Keep fueling the fire. Keep feeding me negativity. I eat it and I just spit out greatness.

• Speaker #1

  I love, love, love, love, love your mother's brain. It's just, it's so freaking good. All right, Sophia. You don't do many interviews or podcasts. What made you say yes to this one? And what's something people consistently get wrong about you that you want to set straight?

• Speaker #2

  Well, the reason why I came on this podcast is probably because I called you before I came here, honestly. I just feel a lot more comfortable coming on here.

• Speaker #1

  Thank you, by the way. It means a lot. Yeah. Like, as a dad?

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  And a podcaster. Thank you.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. I mean, I feel like I haven't really done that before I came on a podcast. So, I mean, I just feel a lot more comfortable coming on here. I also have a tad bit of social anxiety, so that's why I don't really do that much. But I'm happy I came here. Sorry, what was the second question?

• Speaker #1

  Well, the second question was, what's something people consistently get wrong about you and you want to set that straight?

• Speaker #2

  Hmm. I mean, I don't really think that there's a lot of things that people get wrong about me. People just have a lot of opinions about me, I would say. But no one has really gotten anything wrong about me, honestly.

• Speaker #0

  I think recently there was a video. I don't keep track of receipts or anything, but there was a video recently and you like. literally blocked the person uh because you were like she's insinuating that we have issues with your tattoos and you're like, that's just completely wrong. Like, I don't look at you that way. You don't look at me that way.

• Speaker #2

  Well, I mean, that's something about you, of you not supporting my tattoos.

• Speaker #0

  No, I think she said like, oh, Sophia is doing this because she knows that she upsets her mom.

• Speaker #2

  Oh, yeah.

• Speaker #0

  You know, like there was this whole spiel and you just blocked her in the middle of it.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. I mean, people do say that I do things to like rebel against my mom or like just do things out of rebellion. I don't really do that. I do things that I'm happy doing and that my mom's okay with. And it's just a very healthy relationship between me and my mom. And she's okay with the things that I've done in the past years with body modifications and all of that. And I'm very open with her. And yeah, we just have a very healthy relationship. And I feel like people are either jealous and take things out of context. And they're jealous of our relationship and how healthy it is. And they don't have that themselves. So they try to make things seem like something that it's not.

• Speaker #1

  Well said.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  I agree. Not that it matters, but I agree.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. I don't know. But like I say to Sophia when I see this, I'm like, I just say like, Sophia, I totally understand where they're coming from. I'm like, look, I used to wish like I had a relationship that you and I have with my mother and I would often be over at other. girlfriends' houses and they would have great relationships with their moms. And I, you know, I was just like, oh, thanks for having me over. Thanks for letting me be a part. So, I mean, it's just, I think some people just don't maybe even have friends to see it with where they live and everybody has just really screwed up relationships and mommy issues with their moms. But I, I think that is even why though, I am so grateful for my daughter's like our work and our relationship and everything like that. And I love to show that because I almost feel like sometimes it's like a norm to just talk negatively about your kids, not really have your kids close to you. Um, just kind of like sideline them. And I think like, that's one of the things I probably say to my daughter the most is I can't stand going to the salon. I can't stand mom groups, I can't stand a lot of places because if I start hearing it. And with my ADHD and my mouth, I'm like, girl, you want to just like take that somewhere else? Because I don't want to hear negative things about your kid. So I do kind of like because I just heard that so habitually growing up. And I think if, you know, sometimes if he doesn't understand, like when like if I've heard enough somewhere, like I got to leave because that's the last thing I want to do is traumatize another kid after what I went through for being talked negatively about so much. Um, so I just really, I kind of like tell Sophia about that. I don't think she was like under, like, it's so great that your kids so not traumatized or damaged that they can't even tell, um, how other people get traumatized. But sometimes I just have to like remind self about like little things like that. Cause it's, yeah, it's, it's just crazy. It's so crazy what I feel. I'm just so grateful for Sophia being as happy as she is, like from seeing her other friends just being abused from like their parents and everything else. It's just like crazy being a single mom with a daughter and getting through the suburbs, getting out of, I guess, like Midwest stuff that wasn't healthy and then big city, crazy LA and traveling like New York, everywhere around the globe and having such a peaceful, great relationship. It's just wild.

• Speaker #1

  So. When you talk about seeing her friends being abused or in abusive relationships with parents, when I was a kid, my mom, my parents split up when I was younger. I have a great relationship with my dad. My mom has passed away now, but she raised me for the most part. I remember going home. This is in high school. I was a junior in high school, and a friend of mine, he was mean to his mom all the time. I remember going back to my mom and saying, hey, I won't say his name, but John Doe is really mean to his mom. Why would he do that? Like I couldn't understand that because I had such a great relationship with my mother when I was younger. Have you ever had those kind of talks with your mom? And I don't want to throw any of your friends under the bus, and no one's perfect, but have you ever seen like something not cool in the interaction with your friends and their parents and then go back and talk to your mom about it?

• Speaker #2

  Yes. Yes, I have. I mean, I don't really want to have a story time about it, but. I have had those moments, and it usually ends up with me cutting those types of people off because it's very obvious. then that they are mentally ill and I shouldn't be around them.

• Speaker #1

  First of all, I love you call it story time. That's hilarious. And second, what a great way to handle that, mom. Like, holy moly. Like, that's phenomenal.

• Speaker #0

  Because if you stay, this is my role, if you stay friends with someone, because I will, I have, I will call the parents and I will just, I will cut right through it. Because I'm not going to have anyone, I will not have anyone affect my child in a negative way. And if you continue being friends with someone who you keep hearing abuse, abuse, abuse, abuse, we are now normalizing that it's okay for them to do that to their child.

• Speaker #1

  Get out.

• Speaker #0

  And so when you, and when you cut it off, it speaks so loudly to those parents that you couldn't reach to. that they wanted to lie and manipulate you about what they're doing. So, yeah, I mean, so much so some people had to move. So, yeah, I just, I don't play. I don't play with my kid.

• Speaker #1

  I don't think either of you play.

• Speaker #0

  No.

• Speaker #1

  I think she's just more quiet about it.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Right?

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  You know, but I think that's so cool that you do that. Thank you. You're welcome. I just think that that's really, like, you are an old soul, my dear. At 16, you are wiser than your tender young years. I think that's fantastic.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  You know, because the one thing they're not making any more of is time. So every second you are wasting in a, even to observe or be exposed to a relationship that one of your friends has with their parents or one of your friends has with one of your friends. You're like, you know what? Deuces. I'm out. I'm out of here.

• Speaker #0

  You can't get that time back. You can't get that time back. From trying to save someone else. And I just, I know, so I don't know if that just chimed in a memory, but I do say this very nicely about people who we date because I feel like, you know, I know we're talking about friends, but choosing someone who you date is a very big thing, a big deal. It's success or fail kind of sometimes. And yeah, wasting your time. Helping and helping and helping a tornado that you can't stop is not going to change anything. It just will get you in the tornado and upset your spirit. So I've just kind of had to say that about dating.

• Speaker #1

  Have you started dating?

• Speaker #2

  Yes, for many years.

• Speaker #0

  She almost dated a girl today at the airport.

• Speaker #2

  No, I didn't. I got asked out. My phone number was asked for, and I declined.

• Speaker #0

  Thank God.

• Speaker #1

  What's your type?

• Speaker #2

  Loyal, a good personality, funny, kind, respects my career and my choices, and respects how I look and what I do with my appearance, and someone who respects my mom. And my life in general, I feel like. I mean, I don't really care about looks that much. It just really depends what's inside, truly, I feel like. But yeah, yeah. I mean, my dating life kind of started off a little rocky. I sent my first cease and desist at 13 years old to a guy. So that was neat. Um, but yeah,

• Speaker #0

  you have to learn to keep your value through dating and through learning how to date.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. And I think you set up a very good example of that last year. Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  With my own dating failure.

• Speaker #2

  Yes.

• Speaker #0

  Oh yeah. I mean, I'm dating still. So, you know, my, my dating and learning lessons, same way with trauma, right? Identity work. If I'm learning anything of how to prevent that myself. how to heal and be better myself and dating myself. I definitely go on about conversations about things that I learn and that I want her to just be aware of in any sort of a way, dating.

• Speaker #1

  How does it feel to have that?

• Speaker #2

  It feels really good to have an example to learn from, I would say, and also just... to learn positive things for when you're dating from her also. Because she has had a lot of bad dating experiences. Have you?

• Speaker #1

  I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

• Speaker #0

  I've had so many bad dating experiences. So I can really make sure if you don't have money, if you don't drive, if you don't have a job, best believe this mom's not going to be paying for you to date my daughter. I don't fund family relationships and I don't fund young boys who are still lost relationships. Thank you very kindly. I'll get off my stance.

• Speaker #1

  She won't. We've got to dance forever. You know this, right? It's not going to stop.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  It's okay. We'll talk after. It's okay. I've got you, kiddo. It's okay. But it's, we, growth comes from learning from our mistakes, right?

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  I love that you, when I asked what's your type in terms of a girl that you want to date, you said some wonderful things.

• Speaker #0

  Did you say girl she wants to date? You mean man? Boy?

• Speaker #1

  Girl? Boy? I don't know.

• Speaker #0

  Transgender?

• Speaker #1

  I don't know. These days, I have no idea. Sorry.

• Speaker #0

  Sophia has had a transgender ask her out. It's great.

• Speaker #1

  Well,

• Speaker #2

  you know I am attractive, I guess. No, and people will come up to you. Sophia. Any type of person.

• Speaker #0

  Any type of thing, person or thing will come up to you. But I do share that with you. Like, goodness, I've been on club tours, you know, all sorts of things. So I totally empathize.

• Speaker #1

  So,

• Speaker #0

  all right. What are you about to say?

• Speaker #2

  What are you empathetic? Empathetic? Someone transgender has asked you out before?

• Speaker #0

  All sorts of things.

• Speaker #2

  You've never told me that before.

• Speaker #0

  Well, I was actually in the moment with you when this happened, but when you had that whole camp experience.

• Speaker #2

  Oh, yes. Okay.

• Speaker #0

  I mean, it wasn't like about moving on. It wasn't about me. Yeah,

• Speaker #1

  we are not having story time about the camp experience, Sarah. No, no story time. Even I can see that. That's okay. So, if I may ask. What genders are you attracted to?

• Speaker #2

  Men.

• Speaker #1

  Men? Okay. Wonderful. I didn't know because I assumed that the woman at the airport that so.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  All right. So what age range for men?

• Speaker #2

  Honestly, someone that's not my exact age. I feel like in the past that just hasn't really worked out right. I feel like men my age nowadays are very immature. There's lots of brain rot going on nowadays.

• Speaker #0

  Rage bait. To me, that's different. They're rage bait to me.

• Speaker #2

  Men don't rage bait me. I think that's also very immature to do to your girlfriend.

• Speaker #0

  A lot of them do. I'm not making it up.

• Speaker #2

  Mine don't. But I feel like someone a year older is.

• Speaker #1

  17.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  That's fair.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. I mean, I dated your dad. He was a year older.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. Good for you. Yeah. The thing is, as you get older, my wife is 10 years younger than me.

• Speaker #2

  You're like, when you get older.

• Speaker #1

  And she's a smoke show. My wife is a smoke show. But it's just, it comes down to here and the connection that you have. I think when you're younger, yes, you keep that age range kind of tighter. Yeah, definitely. I feel like you have to. If and when you progress in age and you're still looking for that person. You get away from chronological age and look more for emotional and, you know, cerebral attachment and attraction to somebody. Emotional. Emotional. And then when you meet that person, I mean, I'll be 56 next month. I'm older than dirt. No,

• Speaker #0

  you're not. I died two weeks ago. No one told me.

• Speaker #1

  It's unbelievable.

• Speaker #0

  My parents got remarried at 60.

• Speaker #1

  So it's just like, you know, so it, it, but it just, it, it is what it is. And I think it's, it's wonderful for you to be so dialed in with who you are getting back to the call that we had ahead of time. And this is just food for thought for you. That's called a pre-production call because of who you are. And because of like, we did it our first time I do, I do with almost every single guest I have on the show, because if not the first 10 minutes is like a bad first date.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Well,

• Speaker #0

  what do you like to do? What's your favorite color?

• Speaker #1

  Stop it. Please. I'd rather go to the dentist. No, sorry. But it's like, oh, my God. And so that's something that because of if you experience anxiety with things like this sometimes, I would make that basically you have to do that before any podcast you're on moving forward. And I'm sure your mom would support that is to say, I'd like a pre-production call, please. And make sure it is Google Meet or Zoom. So you can look at least you can look like you got to see me. I don't care if I see you guys. I've already seen her. I've seen you on Instagram and stuff. It's totally fine. But I just want to hear your voice. And so we could connect.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Right. And then it helps. It helps this be a lot more sincere.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, it does.

• Speaker #1

  You know, and.

• Speaker #0

  Also just food for thought because I've done a bunch of these. If you get off that and if you're like, oh, this doesn't feel right, you tell her immediately and then it's done. You won't go on that podcast.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  And it's protecting your peace.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  You know, it's like wonderful because I think from this, there's stuff on here we'll talk about that other people in podcasts around the country go, oh, my gosh, I want to talk to Sophia too. It's your peace. It's your time. And you're absolutely allowed to say no to people, which you already do now.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  You just carry that through to when, if, you know, Jimmy, the podcaster in Tallahassee gets ahold of you and says, Hey, wherever in town, I don't know why I said Tallahassee, it just came to mind. And that, you know, nothing wrong with Tallahassee. Don't hate from Tallahassee, please. But you're allowed to say no, and that's okay to protect your peace.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  You know, and I just, I love the fact that you're already doing that. I think it's great. I think it's absolutely great. Um, this is my last question for, for both of you. We'll probably talk about more stuff. When you think about the next 10 years moving forward, how do you want people to describe Farrah and Sophia?

• Speaker #1

  I feel like, um, well, I would be 26 in 10 years. How old would you be?

• Speaker #0

  Older. Uh,

• Speaker #1

  like a 90 years old. 44,

• Speaker #2

  that's a good age.

• Speaker #1

  44.

• Speaker #2

  10 years.

• Speaker #1

  Okay. I mean, I feel like in 10 years, I would want people to see us as the, well, we already are an iconic duo, but I feel like an iconic duo. And I do still plan on looking like this in 10 years. Yes, I do. But I feel like in 10 years.

• Speaker #2

  I mean, I would hope like we would be, I don't even know, like working together in something.

• Speaker #1

  The iconic, the most iconic mom and daughter duo.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  I feel like in 10 years we would be 100 times farther in life than where we are now.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, I feel like this first part's been just trampolining over all the hiccups in life.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, you know, we're climbing the stairs.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, we're climbing these stairs.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, yeah. How do you feel?

• Speaker #2

  I'm getting my workout in. My glutes are strong.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. Use that Stairmaster.

• Speaker #2

  I'm on that Stairmaster, baby. Yeah, I just think like we are so iconic of a mother daughter. I mean, like I guess like Melissa, Joan Rivers, they had something. Some people asked me to actually watch her like documentary or something. And I had no idea that she lost her husband. And then they were like, I was like, wow, this woman's kind of like so similar. So I just feel like it would be even better than a Joan and Melissa. It would be like Vera and Sophia. Duh. But yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  I love that. I do. You guys are great. Is there anything that we haven't talked about that you want to go over? That you feel comfortable talking about?

• Speaker #1

  Well, I am currently in the process of writing my own book.

• Speaker #2

  Yes, she is. I'm really excited for Sophia.

• Speaker #1

  My first book of my life.

• Speaker #2

  The firstie.

• Speaker #1

  Yes.

• Speaker #2

  Guess what?

• Speaker #1

  What?

• Speaker #2

  When did I write my first book, y'all?

• Speaker #1

  I don't know.

• Speaker #0

  When?

• Speaker #1

  When?

• Speaker #2

  I think it was, I believe it was released 2012. I believe I was like, did I just turn like 20? Was it 19? Sophia, I'm just basically saying that you are writing a book before me. That is one thing you are doing before me.

• Speaker #0

  What's the book about?

• Speaker #1

  It is about my life, my life experiences, explaining the lore, as some might say.

• Speaker #2

  Hmm. What's the lore? What's that in that book? Hmm.

• Speaker #1

  Do you know what lore is?

• Speaker #2

  Please tell me.

• Speaker #1

  Okay. What it means to you. It's just like, um, past experiences in your life.

• Speaker #2

  That's true.

• Speaker #1

  Stories of your life. Lore.

• Speaker #2

  It's so wild. My book, my first memoir, my first book was just about the teeny tiny first beginnings of my life when I just had you.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. Happy my life is very different.

• Speaker #0

  Do you have it written?

• Speaker #1

  Um, it's still being written. Yes. I feel like I'm a very good writer, although I do have difficulties reading. But I feel like that's just a talent for me.

• Speaker #0

  Do you have a deadline for it? Like if you said, okay, by April 15th, this thing's going to be done.

• Speaker #1

  No, I don't like deadlines.

• Speaker #0

  No?

• Speaker #1

  They stress me out.

• Speaker #2

  And I always felt like even in publishing, publishing gets slow. Everything, like my first print. was totally botched and like bad reviews by the publisher. Like no matter what, it's just like you take your time to write your story and it is amazing. Like my memoir is my best friend. Like, I freaking love that book.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. I mean, I'm putting 16 years into this book, so it's going to not be a deadline in this book.

• Speaker #0

  Good for you.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. Like, fully live your 16th year. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Before you close those chapters.

• Speaker #0

  As soon as it's done, I want you to come back on.

• Speaker #2

  Okay.

• Speaker #0

  And we'll talk about it.

• Speaker #2

  Sophia's having a very big sweet 16 year. Like, totally different years from my sweet 16 to her sweet 16. It's just. So great being a mom and like seeing a whole like just an uprising in youth in like such a purposeful way. I love it.

• Speaker #0

  Do you want to be a mom sometime?

• Speaker #1

  Yes, but not when I'm a teenager. Not when the word teen is at the end of my age.

• Speaker #2

  We've heard enough of teen mom for the end of our lifetime.

• Speaker #1

  I feel like people want me to become a teen mom and they're like, continue on this pattern, this legacy. And I'm like. No, thank you. No, thanks. And I feel like a lot of people expect that to happen for some reason. It's very odd, but I don't plan on that.

• Speaker #2

  Sophia, what do you think of like your your impression of being a teen mom and what it is and how like that's wildly different from your reality? Like you've mentioned, oh, my God, I can't imagine what my mom was going through at 16.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, I mean, I couldn't imagine growing. a human child inside of my stomach right now. I couldn't imagine going through what you went through after you gave birth to me and that whole thing.

• Speaker #2

  Of loss or what's the thing? Sorry, there were so many things that happened to me.

• Speaker #1

  The thing with everything, everything. Yeah, everything. That was traumatizing for you and I can't imagine myself going through that, but also just raising a child in general right now. I couldn't imagine that. I mean, if I did, I would love it, and it would be like my own mini vampire child.

• Speaker #0

  Hilarious.

• Speaker #1

  But no, I don't think I could do that. I mean, I don't support teen pregnancy, but I do support supporting teen mothers, and I think that's what everyone should do instead of shame them and make their life even more difficult every day because it already is for them.

• Speaker #2

  Sophia, how come you didn't end up to be a teen? a pregnant teen like your mom at this age? How come you didn't end up like that?

• Speaker #1

  Because I have sex education.

• Speaker #2

  What was the most important part of your mother's sex education to you? I would say laws and how there's really no support. Right.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. I mean, I'm not much into laws and stuff, but I am very educated on what to do. If you does it, does it?

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. Does it sound fun to abort something on your body?

• Speaker #1

  I will not be speaking about that.

• Speaker #2

  Oh, no. I'm just saying, like, I basically went over the laws of like, hey, we don't you can't have regular support. Like men of a certain age can get vasectomies. Women of a certain age can get their tubes.

• Speaker #1

  I feel like all men, no matter what age they are, if you have if you know what sex is. As a man, I feel like you should get a vasectomy, especially when you're a teenager.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. But I think the reason why I brought this up and this like law and stuff that I advocate for, I was like, oh my God, Sophia, it's like some people can walk into a grocery store or like walk into a store now and they can get like just regular birth control, like a month's worth of birth control. And I never was able to do that. And so I was tracking, right? If you remember. I track with you or you'll bring it up to me sometimes like, oh, plan B, no age, no license, 2025, October. Yeah,

• Speaker #1

  you can get at any age now.

• Speaker #2

  Any age, no name, no face, no place. Yeah. And so like, as I've shared with you where I started in my prevention and lack of support of not having prevention, support and contraception. And I think like seeing your age group be online and be like, I'm 16 and I'm a boy and I want a vasectomy because I don't want to cause this harm to my girlfriend. And so I started sharing this with you because I wanted you to know, like, this is what causes a struggle for young parents. It's not their fault. It's just a feature in our society. And I think the reason why I just kind of like open that, I lay it out and I track it with you and I share this journey is because I was shamed. I was blamed. people. you know, get peer pressure and to go go a crisis route. And then they'll regret it. Like some people on our show that we happen to be a part of and our lives were a part of. They struggle massively, like even with giving their children away or some other things that had happened with their kids or lives or bodies and their things. So that's why I share that tracking and I share that change because you'll run into someone at some point and they're going to say, like, I had an abortion and I went through a very hard time or, you know, my baby daddy this or this. These are relationships. This is this is humanity. And there's so many different different ways of life. to go and walk. But again, like if you could help someone feel better or if you could see like what they're struggling through or if someone needs help, like to me, that's helping a generation give back, like passing that up to you so that you could see that. Cause a lot of people just let me suffer. And I think like, I don't, I don't want to have or raise a child that would ever let someone suffer and they would stand up and they would support people and they could talk for them.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  A lot of people want change, but they can't speak. And I'd hope my child could speak for others when they can't speak for themselves.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. It's a blessing to have a public figure stance. And some people just don't know what to do with it. And I think as a parent and as someone who had to learn words and try to figure out what to do with her own platform that was given to her, I just want Sophia to hear as much support and as much help to think through things. It's hard to have those words. It's hard to have it all. Like at such a young age, it really is.

• Speaker #0

  Do you feel you're getting the support that you need?

• Speaker #1

  100%.

• Speaker #0

  I think so too.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. I think so too. I think you're just fine. The best advice, this is, I was younger and I'm dating myself, but the best advice a girl could ever get that's birth control is keep an aspirin between your knees.

• Speaker #2

  Aspirin between your knees. Oh yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Keep your legs closed at all times. That's it. The end. Yeah. The joke. Yeah. That's all there is. That's all you should do.

• Speaker #2

  I was like, aspirin? Okay.

• Speaker #0

  It's basically abstinence, which is like. Oh,

• Speaker #2

  my God. I'm so slow. I didn't get that.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, my gosh. I've got this one. It's okay.

• Speaker #2

  This is why I was a teen and pregnant, you know? That's why I was like, aspirin's in my knees.

• Speaker #0

  Have you seen me at 16 yet? What the hell's wrong with you?

• Speaker #2

  I'm like, let me get that joke.

• Speaker #0

  How dare you? This is the last thing, and we can cut it if we want to, but are you and Janelle still fighting? Because I don't like it. Oh, I don't talk to her. Okay, because I've had her on. I thought she was very nice. I love you. I adore you.

• Speaker #2

  I'm not here to play favorites. You can love everybody.

• Speaker #0

  But I'm just wondering the whole thing. I was just like, really? Because I just saw both you guys going at it. I didn't see why. I didn't get into it. It's just I saw you're not a negative person. That's why I texted the other day. I'm like, just how are you? How are you doing? Just because I love who you are. You're my homie.

• Speaker #2

  Thank you. Right. You're welcome. I appreciate it.

• Speaker #0

  Right. I just think you're a good person. And it was me just kind of checking in as just being like an. An older guy in a non-creepy way who, right, just goes, how are you? And I just, I love you. I love you posting positive stuff. Yeah. And when I saw that, I was like, oh, that makes me feel bad. That's all.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. I mean, I don't really know what people think of my reactions to people, but I'm not going to tolerate someone calling me names, telling me how to be a mom friend. telling me how to be a, like, I don't do the mom group thing. I like my therapist, my psychiatrist, everybody who's taught me how to be and live happy. Um, like literally they would have said, like, don't even talk to this person at all. And what were you doing? Talk to this person. I think I've tried to, um, open myself up to people from my cast and I can't be ever okay after, I guess, like this wonderful discussion that we've just had. I guess I can't ever be okay with seeing habitual kind of like non-support to your children. And if today your child doesn't live with you after years and years and years of the child not living with you and the back and the forth and the hurt and the harm. Again, I think I just said it nicely. Like if I keep seeing that. I can only imagine how that kid feels, his self-esteem, his self-confidence. And that was me. That was me growing up. And I guess I feel for teenagers. I guess I feel for child development. I definitely feel for, you know, abused mothers. I hate to see that. I love to support people, but yeah. I think everyone can choose their own side. They can choose to like whoever they want. They don't have to agree with my opinions. They don't have to agree with me cutting somebody off. And that's that. I mean, I don't care if teen mom blogger women don't agree with me. I think I've just come to a whole rounded thing of I just don't care about the teen mom franchise anymore. I know it's going to come probably out very hard. But I think if that if having if having mom friends who don't treat their kids well is important to people, then I think that needs to go be important to people. to continue to have teen mom bloggers and drama and talking about kids and stuff. Again, I don't need to be a part of mom groups. I actually think that causes a lot of harm and hurt is what I've, I think I opened myself up a little bit to teen moms on my cast this year, and I've never done that for probably like over a decade, to be honest with you. And by me trying, trying to be an extension of something. I think it actually opened up again, just trauma that I'm not, I don't need, I don't need to hold anything from anybody else's life. And yeah, there's, there's a lot of internal stuff there that I honestly, I just wish Janelle the best. I wish, I wish actually not only Janelle the best, I wish every single teen mom on the show the best. I think I am just completely. I'm utterly done with Teen Mom franchise stuff. And I think I'm definitely needing to do that to just make space for, again, I'm on a stepmaster.

• Speaker #1

  Stairmaster. Yeah,

• Speaker #2

  my stepmaster, my stairmaster.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, yeah.

• Speaker #2

  And I think, like, in order to move on and just spend time with Sophia and I and, like, the hard work that I've put in, I literally cannot open up my spirit to anything really sad to me right now. I think like. Me just fighting for a year and a half with academia and all of that and then seeing some other stuff with parenting. I think I'm really just protecting my heart and my my mind. Like I it actually makes me cry. It actually makes me sick. And so I think like when people see me say something and cut people off, I don't think to the detriment that they understand how much I feel like I really feel like it really bothers me for days. if I cure anything toxic to poor children. Like I think we're so advanced, right? We have all the things like you walk out here in Vegas, like you have all the fun, you have all the, you have all this luxury. Okay. Growing up in Iowa, I didn't have this, but you have all this luxury around you. And instead of enjoying that with your kids, we want to have a broken home. We want to take them to other places or a foster care or everybody upset. And I just don't. I just know like life again is too short and time. And that's even why I've stopped dating. Like I was just, my, my life's not perfect, but I just know it's like been a really hurtful for me this year and I just can't have any more right now. So yeah, if I'm protecting myself and I'm cutting things out, I support other people who do the same.

• Speaker #0

  That's okay.

• Speaker #2

  If that's okay. You know,

• Speaker #0

  You know what? It doesn't matter if it's okay to anybody else as long as it's okay with you. And that's all that matters.

• Speaker #2

  I mean, like.

• Speaker #0

  Right?

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Take a page out of Sophia's book. You know? Seriously.

• Speaker #2

  You know what was so good out of Sophia's book with the whole Janelle thing? When Janelle started talking about my daughter, my daughter just refused to even talk, be a part. And she just shut it down. It's like block and move on. And so, yeah.

• Speaker #1

  I think anything negative like that on the internet. does not deserve anyone's attention. And you should never respond to something like that because it's not worth your time. Truly.

• Speaker #0

  I would love the next time you guys are in town, like, let's say like two or three months from now, um, you and I talk and she's, it's going to, this is going to kill her. She's just going to be out there and she has to stay out there. And then, and we'll, and we'll, we'll talk and do our thing. And then afterwards. You can go hang out in the green room and then and then your mom and I will just sit and talk.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Right. I would I would love that. I just think that to wrap things up, I want to thank both of you from the bottom of my heart to having us to let me have earned the rights for you both to be as vulnerable as you are. But when we talked last time, it was excellent. But this time we just because often we know each other better now. We're getting to know each other, but I think the call was great as well. Thank you for mentioning that. Thank you for letting me earn the right for your vulnerability.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah,

• Speaker #0

  thank you. That you feel safe enough to do that here means a lot to me. What I do, because I really try to protect people's peace here as well.

• Speaker #2

  We love that about podcasters, yeah? There's some who don't.

• Speaker #0

  There's a lot that don't. And there's some of us that are on the, it's like, you know, Star Wars. There's a good side of the force, there's a dark side of the force. It's okay. And I really try to be on the good side of the force with what I do. And I don't pay for my audience. I don't pay for reviews and comments. And I am who I am and just do my thing. And so I love that you came in and really. We had such a wonderful conversation.

• Speaker #2

  I love that we got to chat.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, this was great. Play with topics. You have an open seat there whenever you would like. I think that down the road, what would be fun is to have one of you co-pilot with me, and then we pick somebody else to come in, and we do like a podcast, like you pick somebody and have them come in. Or you pick somebody, Farrah, and have them come in. And then we do a podcast together, and we kind of like tag team. Somebody else and we just like fire questions at them and talk to them.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. What kind of people?

• Speaker #0

  You know what? I think it's people that are used to being in the public eye.

• Speaker #2

  Okay.

• Speaker #0

  Right? Yeah. But people also that if you earn the right, they'll be vulnerable. If they know that their peace is going to be protected.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  That they're okay with exposing themselves a little bit.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Which you're very comfortable doing that. You, my love, are so good that you did it here. And that's why I thank you a million times over for that.

• Speaker #2

  Of course.

• Speaker #0

  You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate it. I just think that that's like the best guest I get are the ones that come in and say, okay. And within the first couple of minutes, we had the nice call ahead of time. Let's talk.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  And you don't even think the cameras are here and the microphones are here after a while. You just kind of do your thing. So thank you, ladies, very much.

• Speaker #2

  Thank you for having us.

• Speaker #0

  Good stuff.

• Speaker #2

  I love it. We don't get to do this often.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  We'll do it again. We'll do it again soon.