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• Speaker #0

  Hello and welcome back to House of Gossip with me, Sophie Lyons, the beautiful Clara Kavner. We are here giving your weekly dose of pop culture nourishment. It's raining outside. Gazza and I have some nice topics to discuss. Last week it was all about absorbing content over the winter break. This week it is all about gossip that we have collected. Clara, good afternoon. How are you?

• Speaker #1

  Thank you very much, Sophie. We're going to the tail end of January. I can't believe we made it. I've loved it this year.

• Speaker #0

  I have to say, it's been my favourite January of memory. I don't remember having this kind of a spirit.

• Speaker #1

  Do you? No. My last two Januaries were dry. So I remember being like, come on, come on, fun can start in a few days. But now this year, I just think like jam pack with Oscar movies, have a yoga class or two. and get on the tequila tonics and wine. You're fine.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, the usual gloom of January isn't upon me.

• Speaker #1

  I've also found work is much busier and that's really passing the time.

• Speaker #0

  Sorry. Yeah. What's that about?

• Speaker #1

  I don't know. It feels like everyone came back from Christmas being like, hello, shit to do. Yeah,

• Speaker #0

  hit the ground running, which I actually think makes it easier.

• Speaker #1

  Not in the moment, but in hindsight, I'm like, oh, thanks. Now it's like end of jam and I didn't really notice the time go so. Totally.

• Speaker #0

  By the time it comes out, this comes out, we'll only have a few days left.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, we did it, girlies.

• Speaker #0

  And then we're into Feb. Then we're into Six Nations. Then we're into Rugby Guys. Then we're into, you know, like Short Shorts. Well,

• Speaker #1

  let's go. All right, let's kick it off. J'adore J'atteste. What are you loving? What are you hating from this week?

• Speaker #0

  No, I'm the host. You're J'adore J'atteste. Oh, sorry. You're a scazzer. What are you adoring as you're testing? Sorry. I'm going to hijack my hosting.

• Speaker #1

  I'm just trying to take the helm. So sorry. I went to see Matilda in the West End last night.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, I'm really annoyed I couldn't get her.

• Speaker #1

  Big thank you to Julie for the tickets. I hear she's a listener. Hiya. How's it going? Yeah, Matilda, I would have thought, oh, you need to bring a kid to this. But oh my God, it's so fun. It's such a great and magical story. The kids are like... You know, if you ever did Billy Barry or any kind of like a school play.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, my arch nemesis. Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  These children are machines. The professionalism, the dance moves, the endless dialogue and the size of these little pequeno children, bambinos. They are just the kinder. There was one girl who I'm pretty sure she must have been like a small four or five year old, but she looked about three and she's like kind of. She's on stage on her own. She's commanding the theatre. She was unreal. I couldn't even do this now as an adult.

• Speaker #0

  Because I have to say, I went to it about four or five years ago. And I think I said this on the podcast before that the Matilda wasn't up to scratch.

• Speaker #1

  This Matilda was good. I wouldn't say she had much. She hid all her marks, remembered all the words. I wouldn't say she had much charisma. But does the real Matilda in the movie have much?

• Speaker #0

  No, but you're rooting for her, aren't you? Yeah. You're not like Mrs. Popular.

• Speaker #1

  No, she's just kind of like sweet and like loves books.

• Speaker #0

  She loves books.

• Speaker #1

  But like so many songs. Within the first like 20 minutes, I'm pretty sure there was like seven songs.

• Speaker #0

  Well, that's what I want out of a musical.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, I must say the total scene stealer, though, is Mrs. Trunchbull. Wow. Unbelievable. Such an acrobat.

• Speaker #0

  Was it played by a woman?

• Speaker #1

  No. This huge...

• Speaker #0

  Oh wait, sorry, yeah, our one was played by a man. Sorry.

• Speaker #1

  I look so like the movie was a serious pair of knockers. I'm like so evil in a scary sometimes way, but actually just kind of fun and like so obsessed with the Olympics. I did think there'd be a bit more magic in it. Like I thought she'd be, you know, the scene in the movie where she was dancing around with all the making her breakfast and the whole kitchen as comes to life. Oh,

• Speaker #0

  to little bitty pretty one. Little bitty pretty.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, there's not as much of the magic.

• Speaker #0

  And did they do the like. tangent of the the trapeze thing yeah that was something

• Speaker #1

  I didn't gravitate towards not needed me and Rachel openly spoke I think we kind of forgot to whisper whisper in your sis Rachel can't whisper she goes like

• Speaker #0

  I'm really not getting this are you understanding yes and like she does it to me in the cinema and every time she does it I'm like like I don't because I'm afraid someone will

• Speaker #1

  will get angry and ruin my experience and she doesn't get it yeah she's like what that's so funny what but yeah that was really not needed because I would have prepared more magic in this but maybe it's like a production yeah Maybe it's more of like a production thing, because like, how do you get like the kitchen scene to happen? But like, hello, anyone ever heard of cat gut? You know, that invisible string? Like, I don't know.

• Speaker #0

  Or just like a digital thing, like something on the back. Yeah, I think that was one of the best scenes ever.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, how they did the writing on the chalkboard. It was like, this is Agatha, this is Magnus. That was so scary.

• Speaker #0

  This is Magnus.

• Speaker #1

  You.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, that was so good. Such a good movie.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. Great play. Totally recommend. You don't need to bring your own kid. It's perfectly fine battles.

• Speaker #0

  B-Y-O-C. Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  The set is amazing. And I just think if you were like nine or ten and you knew that story, that would be one of the plays that you go to and you're like, that you would always remember. But like we went on a Wednesday and it was jammers. Although one good thing about going to a kids show is... No cue for the bogs and no cue for the bar. Yeah. Well, I just bought, actually just bought some chocolate. But like the barman was like, can I help you? I was like, this has never happened to me.

• Speaker #0

  Yes, you can.

• Speaker #1

  Anyway, what are you loving or hating?

• Speaker #0

  Speaking of actors, I have a horn shoe one. James Norton. Do you know who James Norton is?

• Speaker #1

  Oh my gosh. Is he the guy from Happy Valley, the sexy criminal? Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, this guy.

• Speaker #1

  He is unreal. Whoa.

• Speaker #0

  We watched Playing Nice on ITV. I highly suggest it. Four parter.

• Speaker #1

  Is that the one with the baby? Have you watched it? No, I just saw the trailer.

• Speaker #0

  Watch it. It's really good. And it's only four episodes.

• Speaker #1

  Okay. The premise?

• Speaker #0

  Two babies. It's figured out. They're with the wrong parents.

• Speaker #1

  A switcheroo.

• Speaker #0

  A switcheroo. It is gripping your like, but you're not irritated because you figure stuff out. It's pretty like it. It feeds you nicely. It breadcrumbs it. It's not, you know, like the one missing you that I was talking about for too long. You're kind of like, where is this going to end up? This is really...

• Speaker #1

  Punchy.

• Speaker #0

  And it's beautiful. It's all filmed in Cornwall. It's stunning.

• Speaker #1

  I saw one scene of him in the water. I was like, oh God.

• Speaker #0

  When he gets in the water, this guy is drop dead.

• Speaker #1

  Absolutely. And such a good actor.

• Speaker #0

  Such a good actor. actor and he plays a dad in it so he's really sweet.

• Speaker #1

  Pulling out the ovaries.

• Speaker #0

  And he's recently single. What? He was going out with this other actress who's in a few bits. I think they only broke up within the last year but they were engaged and he did that play A Little Life which is like a very sad play and I think he was the naked one or maybe they're both naked but he plays the traumatised one.

• Speaker #1

  Do you know how impossible it was to get tickets for that fucking thing?

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. Rach went.

• Speaker #1

  Because he's p- butt naked. She got to see his willy. Imagine Rach whispering. Imagine Rach. Jesus, it's massive.

• Speaker #0

  Oh my God, look at his... Oh my God. She did see it. I need to ask her about it. Anyway, but this guy is so sexy. I'm so into him. Yeah. And he's a really good actor. He's like my January slab, what would you call it?

• Speaker #1

  Prush.

• Speaker #0

  Slab prush. Defo. Lives in Peckham, I think. Oh,

• Speaker #1

  hello. Near me. He's got it all going on.

• Speaker #0

  But it's really good. I'd highly recommend. I can't wait to text Rachel after this and be like, tell me about James Norton's willy.

• Speaker #1

  Can we text her now? Hang on, I have WhatsApp web.

• Speaker #0

  But anyway, sorry, that apparently is the reason that his relationship broke up. He was like, when you do, sorry, but that's what he said. He was like, when you do something like this, it kind of takes up so much space that you don't have enough space for everyone else. Oh,

• Speaker #1

  yeah, it is a bit all consuming.

• Speaker #0

  As a thespian.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. Oh, God. What am I saying? Did you see...

• Speaker #0

  See a Little Life play? Was your man in the nip? It would be lovely if we got a live message. She's very slow on WhatsApp though.

• Speaker #1

  I've said we're recording the pod. Come on, Rach. That's a great crush.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, he's my new crush.

• Speaker #1

  Did you ever watch Happy Valley? He plays an evil criminal, local thug. And he... Do you remember when there was that famous mugshot that went around and it was this gorgeous guy with blue eyes? Yeah. And Chloe Green from the Topshop Dynasty ended up marrying him. It's a bit like that. You're like, I don't care about the crimes you've committed.

• Speaker #0

  I don't care about your past.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, yeah. He's like a sexy criminal. But he's really good in that. And you're like, why do I fancy such an evil, evil man?

• Speaker #0

  How many series is it?

• Speaker #1

  I'm going to say three. It's quite intense.

• Speaker #0

  Is he in all of them? Yeah. Okay, I'm going to add that to my list.

• Speaker #1

  It's like it's quite intense. It's not really bingeable. Like a lot happens in it. But he's really good. And there's like he's got this amazing accent. And one time he's talking about one of his crimes and he's like, I executed that beautifully. oh is it Welsh no it's Northern oh sorry and he was like oh is it German anytime anytime me and Mick do something we're like I executed that beautifully is it a Scottish I don't know all I care about is crime because Tommy Tommy Lee Royce was his name Tommy Lee Royce Tommy Lee Royce Tommy Lee Royce is out of prison. Hide your daughter.

• Speaker #0

  He's fire. I'd highly recommend anyone who needs a quick series. The only downfall was that there was no sex scenes.

• Speaker #1

  What?

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. I was like to James, I was like, that's the one thing. He was like, Sophie, not everything needs to be pornographic. And I was like, I know. I'm just saying a touch of romance would be nice. Just one scene. But I suppose it was probably a bit unnecessary. Anyway. Moving on from my crush and Clara's love of childhood theatre, let's move on to the tete-a-tete portion. Clara, you have two, I have two, and then we both have one amalgamation to discuss. You fire ahead. What's your first?

• Speaker #1

  Okay, let's tete. I didn't know this. I only found out yesterday, but Jessica Simpson and her husband of 10 years, Eric Johnson, have divorced. They're separated.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  And I am devastated. Her memoir, Open Book, it is incredible. It's like one of the best. Her and Mariah Carey's, they're two of my favourite autographies. And she'd been through so much, met him, and then they really had this, like, amazing connection. And she talks about it really openly and candidly in the book, and I'm just so sad that they've called it a day. And they haven't been in a photograph on Instagram together since 2023. She put a post up in November saying, with no ring on, saying, I mean... I'm saying a no to putting up with things I don't deserve.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, me too, Jessica.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, Jess. So I don't know. I don't know what he did. I'm sure he's in the wrong. But I was just real sad to see that because I thought that they were like one of those like long lasting Hollywood couples.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. Well, you know, Jessica Alba and her fella are also.

• Speaker #1

  Cash,

• Speaker #0

  Warren. Yeah, and they've been together for years.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, very sad.

• Speaker #0

  I just would like Jessica and Nick to get back together. Controversial opinion.

• Speaker #1

  I'm obviously Nick Lachey.

• Speaker #0

  And I'm obviously Nick Lachey.

• Speaker #1

  He wasn't very nice to her. If you, like, watch back any of those clips, he's so horrible and rude. I kind of want him to just, I don't know, I just don't think he's very nice. I think he's a bit of a Tyra Banks of the reality world.

• Speaker #0

  I think he's real cranky pants. Like, proper cranky. He was always shutting her down, like,

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, it's like, is tuna chicken of the sea? Like, is it chicken? I'm eating chicken. Obviously a stupid thing to say, but he makes it feel so shit.

• Speaker #0

  But watching that as well was like, it was very clear from the offset that it wasn't going to work.

• Speaker #1

  No, they were basically, they got married so they could have sex. And then they tried to make it work.

• Speaker #0

  That is the problem with waiting for stuff like that. There's a high divorce rate amongst Christians who wait. I made that up, but I think it's true. But there is, like they lose them, don't end up together or they're like sleeping in separate bedrooms because they're like, that's half the thing.

• Speaker #1

  But look at what happened to poor Charlotte in Saxon City and Trey. Trey, he can't get it up. He can't get it up.

• Speaker #0

  But she didn't wait for her wedding day, did she?

• Speaker #1

  With Trey, yeah. And remember, he can't get it up. And they tried to, but he couldn't get it up. And then Kerry is like, he probably jacked off right before you got there. And she's like, oh, I don't know. And then Kerry says, like, she's wearing like an $8,000 Virwang. dress like she's going down that aisle.

• Speaker #0

  So Charlotte though, isn't it?

• Speaker #1

  And why are you asking advice from fucking a woman who's just said she's committing adultery? But anyway, that's a whole other episode of it myself.

• Speaker #0

  What are your thoughts just top line on like not for you because you're married now. If someone was out to you like my rule is that I wait six dates or something. They have a hard rule. What do you think about that?

• Speaker #1

  I think if you put a number on it you're going to get a lot of You take away the magic. The rule I liked was just like not on the first date and not from a pearl clutching kind of aspect, but from a like, if there is a chemistry there, allow time for that to build. So like you can do a lot of other things. And sorry, in saying that, I don't know if I really kept that rule a lot. I don't know. I just think there's... If you say six dates, then it's like it gets into a bit of a box ticking exercise, especially if the man finds out that he has to do six dates and then he's like, OK, go on. Yeah, fine. Let's go. Let's go. I think it's just the maths takes away the magic. So you need to follow the moment.

• Speaker #0

  Pastor Gaz in the mix.

• Speaker #1

  Totally. What do you think?

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, I think like squaring anything off. I've never done that. But squaring anything off like that, you know, when you make plans, God laughs. And, you know, let's just see how it goes.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, because I think like we control, like there's so much planning we do in our lives, like work has to be planned. You know, your home, like we're doing a huge big thing. There's a lot of to do lists in life, especially like in your like what, mid 30s, you know. Society moves at a like milestone planning. And then I think people feel like feel social pressures and going like, well, all of my social group are getting engaged or they're all going traveling or they're all having babies. And then that makes you feel reflect on what you are doing at your time. So then I think then that fear grows and then you're making decisions based out of fear. And then you can't bring all those to do lists to dating because that's not the same as business.

• Speaker #0

  No, do you remember, it's business. Do you remember we did all those do's and don'ts of dating? They were brilliant.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, our research, yes. Must dust that off.

• Speaker #0

  Oh my God, I'd actually love to listen to that again. Same. So, oh, I'll talk to you about another marriage thing. Oh,

• Speaker #1

  yes.

• Speaker #0

  As part of my one of the two.

• Speaker #1

  Okay, let's chat.

• Speaker #0

  Have you heard what's going on with Michelle and Barack Obama?

• Speaker #1

  Snippets, but honestly, if I, if you use the word, the D word. in January for those two icons. I don't know what I'll do.

• Speaker #0

  I'm not going to use the D word.

• Speaker #1

  That was shattered me to my core.

• Speaker #0

  But their joint public appearances has noticeably deceased. Decreased.

• Speaker #1

  Sorry,

• Speaker #0

  what's going on? She wasn't at Jimmy Carter's funeral. She wasn't at the inauguration.

• Speaker #1

  The inauguration of Trump, I can understand. She'd be like, I've stood on many a pedestal.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, they were like, she doesn't need excuses for that.

• Speaker #1

  But the Jimmy Carter one, like he's the longest living president. He did so much good for the world. Didn't he like eradicate a disease? Like he was incredible. The fact that she wasn't at that. And what did she say? It was like a scheduling conflict and people were like.

• Speaker #0

  I don't think she said anything.

• Speaker #1

  She said a scheduling conflict and then found out she was on holiday in Hawaii.

• Speaker #0

  So people have been noticing. But then there's another twist in this story. He's being linked to Jennifer Aniston. What? I know. And there's claims that Michelle and Barack are living like just friends. Who was the other relationship that ended recently? And we're like, if that's true, oh, is it Jay-Z and Beyonce? Yeah. When pigs fly.

• Speaker #1

  It battered me to my core. Yeah. Scratch everything I said about January. That's awful. Imagine Jennifer Aniston.

• Speaker #0

  I don't know. I don't. I don't think it's true, to be honest with you. I just, they seem too solid for me.

• Speaker #1

  That doesn't come from nowhere, though, do you know? It's like highly random.

• Speaker #0

  I'd love Jessica Simpson to get with Speaking of Friends with Matt LeBlanc.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, that would be a good one.

• Speaker #0

  He so needs a buddy.

• Speaker #1

  He does. I love him. He's great.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, so we don't know much on that. It's just that we haven't seen them together. And apparently Jennifer Aniston is involved.

• Speaker #1

  Watch this space, girlies. That's... huge yeah i know oh i'm gonna be pondering that all day now god is there nothing sacred looking out at the rain so this passed me by i think she fell off my um instagram algorithm but chloe kardashian has podcast yeah very new chloe and run wonderland very new two episodes one on jay shetty that just came out and i'm not going to discuss jay shetty

• Speaker #0

  Why is everyone looking at him like he's the Dalai Lama?

• Speaker #1

  And also, isn't he a bit of a phony?

• Speaker #0

  But who is he like? I don't get it.

• Speaker #1

  They said he was pretending, you know, this like the year I became a monk. Apparently he was just living somewhere in London. He was pretending he was in the foothills of Tibet or something. Yeah, it's like, but the Americans just don't really care. Like that scandal broke, I'm going to say well over a year ago. And like it didn't affect him. They love him. And then he's there doing like the Oscars, like nomination live reads and stuff like last year. It's mad.

• Speaker #0

  Jay Shetty is?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, like he's like fully in Hollywood. He's like Hollywood's monk. Right. But she has him on the podcast and... Gloves. She was talking about like, oh, co-parenting with Tristan and saying we're getting on well. What's his face? Trash can, sorry.

• Speaker #0

  Oh my God.

• Speaker #1

  Excuse me. Saying that she's not dating. She's really happy with her life now. And like she co-parents fine.

• Speaker #0

  What are your thoughts on that?

• Speaker #1

  I couldn't give two fucking hoots. Stay away from that man. Why did you have a second baby with him? I don't know. Chloe has really lost me. And that's why I'm so interested in this new series, the new trailer for the new Kardashian series.

• Speaker #0

  It looks really...

• Speaker #1

  It looks really good. Now, they have fallen into this before, where the trailer just tells you everything and then the episodes are just filler.

• Speaker #0

  Who's Kim secretly dating?

• Speaker #1

  I don't know if that ever gets revealed, though. I have a feeling that might stay secret.

• Speaker #0

  I think it will, too. But who do you think it is?

• Speaker #1

  There was rumours that it was a law colleague. Colleague? Yeah. uh go somewhere down the course so Then there was their little briefcase.

• Speaker #0

  Meeting them on the keys.

• Speaker #1

  Then it was, it was a Tom Brady was rumored for a while. Then there was that guy, you know, that guy, we talked about it last time. His second name is, is it Beckham? And he's that football player. And she started dating him.

• Speaker #0

  Odell something.

• Speaker #1

  Odell Beckham Jr. or something. And then he started dating her like right when he had a baby with somebody else. And they had to keep it on the QT. And because all this Kardashian stuff is. recorded a year ago.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, do you think it was him?

• Speaker #1

  It could be him. And then she'll never reveal it because they'll be like, oh, Kim's a homewrecker. So I don't know. I'd say we might not find out that. And then Chloe having Lamar back on.

• Speaker #0

  So I have to say, because I go back and watch TV from ages ago as like a comforting mechanism. Yes. I was watching Chloe and Lamar's wedding special over Christmas. Great. Then I was texting one of the girls and I was like, sorry, I forgot how hot Lamar was. In that era, he is fire. He's so, he's such a calming force. He's so handsome.

• Speaker #1

  I know. And his personality just elevates him that bit more.

• Speaker #0

  And his eyes, his beautiful eyes.

• Speaker #1

  And his like raw love for Chloe, where it's like Tristan, or sorry, God, I keep calling him.

• Speaker #0

  Tristan is a babbling buffoon.

• Speaker #1

  I know, sorry, I keep calling him the wrong name. Trash can. While- aesthetically he's really gorgeous like he's beautiful and the eyes the height the questionable clothes because his personality is such like be a babbling buffoon he just his his looks don't matter as much they're not even there it cancels it out it cancels it out it's just like you're just like a cardboard box yeah he's like a robot yeah whereas lamar with the personality but but now i'm questioning everything like Because he was found like KO'd in a brothel on natural Viagra and other drugs. Like, was he just high the whole time? And Khloe like just didn't know because she'd only known him a month. Like, we don't know. Like, is he just drugged up?

• Speaker #0

  No, I think it was just like a spiral thing.

• Speaker #1

  But we don't know. He could have been like a drug taker beforehand.

• Speaker #0

  I mean, I'd say weed or something, but like.

• Speaker #1

  That insane addiction, though, doesn't just happen because you've married a Kardashian. Like, they weren't together that long. They were together a couple of years.

• Speaker #0

  No, I'd say he was into it and then it was dormant or something.

• Speaker #1

  Which is, yeah.

• Speaker #0

  He is beautiful in the wedding special. Wow. He's really sweet as well.

• Speaker #1

  And just so, like, open. You know, it's just like a real raw.

• Speaker #0

  He's like, we're going to hang out forever. And like, they would have hung out forever if he didn't run into that roadblock. But sorry, he's back on the show. He's sober now.

• Speaker #1

  I think when addictions are that bad, I don't think love is the cure. Like, the person has to want to give it up. No,

• Speaker #0

  but what do you think about him being on the show?

• Speaker #1

  Sorry, before we go anywhere, he had the sex doll that was made to look like Chloe, an AI sex doll, like a robot. He admitted this on a podcast not too long ago to look like Chloe. Oh wait,

• Speaker #0

  didn't he have that podcast with Caitlin as well?

• Speaker #1

  Where did that go?

• Speaker #0

  I'd say that went in the bog. It was such a bad idea. I did do a bit of Googling when I fancied him over Christmas though. And he's like, oh, he just keeps being like, I miss her so much.

• Speaker #1

  I know, but like, I don't know, the damage is kind of done. She really cared for him. And what's great about Chloe is she's like no real ego. Say with the Tristan, when he cheated on her and she went into labour, she still let him in the labour ward for the birth of True.

• Speaker #0

  I wonder what a therapist would say about that. What do you think?

• Speaker #1

  Well, like, I think she was able to see like the much bigger picture. And like the Lamar thing, like she was like living in hospital with him. She like really took care of him. And like, even though it was kind of like you didn't need to do that. So I think that shows a real nice side of her. Oh,

• Speaker #0

  of course. She's such a caring person.

• Speaker #1

  Because I even forgot about that, you know, the Tristan cheating thing. And she let him in the Labour Warden. I was like, if that happened to me.

• Speaker #0

  Twice. Wait, sorry, was it three times?

• Speaker #1

  I think he was cheating on her left, right. Remember, he scored Jordan. And then was Jordan's, what's her name?

• Speaker #0

  Jordan Woods.

• Speaker #1

  Jordan Woods.

• Speaker #0

  And then had a baby with someone else,

• Speaker #1

  isn't that it? Oh, yeah. And then I think he had a two... God, he's so toxic. He's gorgeous. He had two babies when she was trying for another baby and then it came out. Or they got back together and then it found out he was having a baby with his trainer and then they were trying for a baby and then he was having another kid with somebody else. It's like, oh my God. Gross. But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, Lamar, it'll be interesting to see how he comes back. I'd say just going on previous experience with those Kardashian trailers is it's going to be... The whole build up of one episode, he comes over with a bunch of flowers, they catch up and he pisses off. There's no way she'd get back with him, I don't think, sadly for Lamar. I think the damage is kind of like done there. He's done such weird stuff. Unfortunately, I think all that drugs have really changed his brain and he's not the same as he used to be, I hate to say.

• Speaker #0

  Isn't that really sad?

• Speaker #1

  Sad. Oh, sorry, your sister has written back now. I'm waiting on more detail, but James Norton does get naked and I've asked what was it like? So hopefully she'll get back to it. Stay tuned, listeners, and we'll see you later.

• Speaker #0

  I'm delighted she's doing it live because she takes forever to reply normally during the working day.

• Speaker #1

  I think I used a lot of caps. A dramatic language. Yeah, to be like worse. How are you? This is ridiculous.

• Speaker #0

  My second tat-a-tat for you, Jade Thirlwall on Louis Theroux's podcast says, Jade, please flee of Little Mix. This gal is the biggest vibe ever.

• Speaker #1

  Have you listened to her music? I am the it girl. I am the shit girl. It's so good.

• Speaker #0

  You need to look up her performing on Jules Holland.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, I've seen it.

• Speaker #0

  The Angel of My Dreams in the blue dress.

• Speaker #1

  And she's doing it.

• Speaker #0

  So good. It's amazing.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, she's incredible.

• Speaker #0

  He's brilliant. She's on with Lou's route. She's very candid. She's so normal and sound. But he does ask her about the Jesse Nelson thing. About leaving and stuff? I mean, I'll read you the quote and stuff, but she essentially is like, it didn't sound like there was a come down and they weren't talking and she was like, and then they never talked about it. Someone else told them. She doesn't say that bit, but someone else did tell them, like Jesse didn't even tell them.

• Speaker #1

  That she was leaving the Little Mix?

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. And she said she thinks just bit by bit she kind of was tuning out. But she's like, I think that's what I struggled with because we didn't all get a chance to just sit together like we've done so many years and just hash it out. She was like, there's no hate from me or from any of us, I think. And she was like, I'll never begrudge Jessie wanting to leave because if she needed to do that for herself, no matter what happened behind the scenes, you know, you don't know how anything unfolded. And I'll never discredit her and validate the struggle that she had in the group, particularly at the beginning. And she said afterwards her and the two other girls had a lot of group therapy. coping with her traumatic, the effects of Jessie was leaving the band.

• Speaker #1

  Oh my gosh.

• Speaker #0

  And then he's like, oh, are you back in touch? And she says no.

• Speaker #1

  Wow. It's basically like not speaking to a sister though.

• Speaker #0

  She said the whole thing was so traumatic and she said COVID made it all worse because I think it happened kind of that sped it up, I think.

• Speaker #1

  Right.

• Speaker #0

  There was no kind of warning and stuff and then they all didn't know how to process it. And then, sorry, Jessie was like, I'm leaving for mental health, but then. launched her own career within six months and jade just doesn't want to talk about that but then he also broaches the whole thing about jesse blackfishing you know in that boys music video and he's like and yeah i read somewhere that you had a conversation with her about that and she was like i did have a conversation with her about that in general yeah and that was it wow well she was able to say her piece but then i think after was it after it aired you Jesse, he puts in a comment that Jesse made after being like, I never intended to, you know, do this. I'm very aware I'm a white British woman. Blah, blah, blah. But it's really good. It's like full iron a bit.

• Speaker #1

  Maybe they sent it to Jesse before it went live. Because if you are saying those kind of like, they're not allegations, but if they are saying that, maybe give her a chance to rebuttal.

• Speaker #0

  But it's just really sad they're not talking.

• Speaker #1

  Because I always love, remember... Lil Mix did, I forget what it was called, but they did a bit of an X Factor type thing at the BBC and it was like trying to find people and they'd build a band or they'd build. And it was so good. And like the dynamics between the four of them was amazing. Oh, it was great. Yeah. And like, I loved Jessie on that because she was like the real kind of Simon Cowell character and she was like, really gave people like quite honest feedback. And it was never like mean. It was like just the kind of constructive. comments and I just I always love Jessie on that but then hearing and seeing what she's done since and like I'm sure she's fucking delighted she used a Diddy sample for her boys song and you know her singing career has kind of gone hit a bit of a cul-de-sac I think after that so.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah now she's pregnant.

• Speaker #1

  Is she?

• Speaker #0

  Oh yeah sorry she's pregnant with twins.

• Speaker #1

  Oh my gosh.

• Speaker #0

  I just think that's very sad that she's having kids and they won't. Also you know what's very upsetting Ashley Tisdale and Vanessa Hodgins aren't friends anymore. and they're both they've both just had babies why?

• Speaker #1

  what was their feud?

• Speaker #0

  they were best friends and they fell out over Austin Butler of course man of course

• Speaker #1

  Ashley wasn't at her wedding that's huge and Vanessa was her bridesmaid oh hang on the back story of that was Vanessa Hudgens went out with Elvis wannabe for years and it encouraged him to do the Elvis film yeah but then once he gets a taste of the A-list he dumps her And then Austin Butler is now with?

• Speaker #0

  Kaya Gerber, but they've actually just broken up.

• Speaker #1

  Kaya Gerber. It was that. Yeah, no, I think they've broken up now.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, but Ashley Tisdale was friends with him early on. I think that might have been how they met anyway. When the relationship ended, I think it was probably like, are you seriously going to be friends with him? He's my ex. I'm assuming. It's really sad though, because they're like, both just had babies.

• Speaker #1

  And they're all fighting over a stupid Elvis impersonator.

• Speaker #0

  I know. Where did I come from that? Oh, yeah, sorry. They're all having babies.

• Speaker #1

  Jessie. Yes. Everyone's having babies and nobody's friends.

• Speaker #0

  But have a listen. Luther is brilliant. He's having some great guests. And as Clara flagged last week, Armie Hammer is on this series. The day that comes out is going to be lit.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. We'll have to, maybe we'll do a special episode.

• Speaker #0

  I would totally do an episode of that. Okay, Clara. We've been discussing, discussing this. Yeah. And. Let's set the scene. We will not be going into the details of this because it's too confusing. And I can't really retain the information, nor can you is what I understand. It is the case of Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni. Blake, 37. Baldoni, 40. They did the movie and then everything went to shit. Now. There's been explosive things coming out on this for the last six months.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  The newest thing coming out is this 10 minute video that came out. We're recording this on a Thursday. I think it came out yesterday. Yeah. And it's a 10 minute straight through filming of them recording a scene.

• Speaker #1

  I think they call it the dailies.

• Speaker #0

  The dailies.

• Speaker #1

  What they've recorded that day. So it's a clip from that. Well done. With Justin Baldoni's lawyer, Brian Friedman, on the thing. He's very forthright.

• Speaker #0

  So Justin, they've basically submitted it as like, oh, look at this. He wasn't doing anything. But now they're saying it actually has gone against them. You need to watch the video and fall down. Just watch the clips. to the listeners out there. Yeah. It's very uncomfortable, isn't it? She is so awkward.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, because I think in the video itself, I don't know how much it's turned the dial in either way because I watched that video trying to look for something and I just came out of it going like, they're just awkwardly talking to themselves while they film and he's kind of directing. But then if you were on the anti-Blake Lively side, you would be like, oh my God, Justin Baldoni is just doing his job and she keeps telling him we should be talking and we shouldn't be just touching and staring into each other's eyes. And then the other, the third view is if you're anti-Justin Baldoni and pro-Blake Lively, you would be like, oh my God, he's doing exactly what she said in the lawsuit. He's like caressing her face with his nose. He keeps telling her how... great she smells and blah, blah, blah. It's kind of like whatever lens and algorithm you're being fed, you're going to look through that lens.

• Speaker #0

  So aren't they saying this whole thing of astroturfing? Yes. That's what that is, isn't it?

• Speaker #1

  I think, yeah, what they're saying he was doing is astroturfing, where you make people believe it's real grass, like your stories are true.

• Speaker #0

  It's the public opinion and then feeding them that to support it. Is that right?

• Speaker #1

  Exactly. Yeah. Because I do think like when this all broke before Christmas, full disclosure, when I saw her sue him without reading any of the documents, I was like, you can't just sue somebody because you got cancelled. Then read into it and was like, oh, my God, no, no, this was a total like smear campaign. This is awful. And I do think like public favour swayed towards her. Now,

• Speaker #0

  you think it swayed towards her?

• Speaker #1

  But like when she released this thing and she was like, he's orchestrated this whole big, he hired that crisis PR company. He sent all the algorithms against me, blah, blah, blah. It's like, Jesus, that's actually crazy because he was so like, I'm a feminist, anti-tomestic violence, all that stuff. But then now I feel like because it's so much easier to hate a woman, people have, it's kind of swung back in his favor because he is releasing, he's nonstop releasing all this content. Him and his lawyer are now. launching a website, a fully, I can't wait to know what the URL is, a website where it's going to have all the evidence. So it's like, it seems like while he's throwing around 400, suing her for 400 million, him and his lawyer, it seems like all they care about is the court of public opinion and that's where they'll win.

• Speaker #0

  Well, he's saying it's defamation, isn't it?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, but it's like, you know, the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard thing, like it's a court of public opinion as opposed to, and that can really sway what happens in the courts because...

• Speaker #0

  He also has, like, no management now, no anything. They've all dropped him, yeah.

• Speaker #1

  He's lost his podcast. You see, the thing about it is, he has way more to lose than she does. She's from a, like, power couple. They're billionaires.

• Speaker #0

  Why is Ryan Reynolds literally, it's like Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds. So why is he?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, but, like, he was rewriting the scripts as well and not telling Justin Baldoni.

• Speaker #0

  But, I mean, when you're looking at that thing, it's just like the video. It's just, like, botting heads.

• Speaker #1

  the whole time yeah he's like do this and she's like no I think let's do that and he's like oh but this is such and such she's like oh yeah it is so uncomfortable it's really the bit where they're talking about like well me and my wife we just stare into each other's eyes and she was like ah no I like talking let's keep talking yeah because he obviously disgusts her yeah what

• Speaker #0

  else do you think of the video sorry oh I just thought it was such an interesting watch like the fact it was 10 minutes unedited yeah you're kind of squirming yourself aren't you yes like she's squirming she is you know and he's like she's like oh you smell so good and she's like i think it's the body makeup yeah like she just keeps anything he says she's just like no like she just can't he's giving her the ick like it's very obvious yeah

• Speaker #1

  my highlights of that nine ten minute video is one there's a girl one of the extras is referred to as ponytail lady and i just thought that was so funny They were like, ponytail lady, I don't know your name. Yes, please walk over. Ponytail lady, where are you? And just when it's so awkward, I just was laughing at ponytail lady. And then at about eight minutes in, they do like, I don't know, there's like a lot of close-ups of their feet. And she is wearing the most hideous dress. Oh, the drotters. Of gold-heeled shoes. They are disgusting.

• Speaker #0

  The whole visual of her in that movie is fucking bizarre. Isn't it?

• Speaker #1

  Bizarre. One, her hair colour was awful. Unless it's supposed to...

• Speaker #0

  Sorry, just the pure frizz.

• Speaker #1

  It's like they were trying... Because she's so beautiful. It was like they were trying to make her not beautiful.

• Speaker #0

  He got involved in all the wardrobe and stuff. And apparently, I think he was like, here now, what you've done isn't... Correct.

• Speaker #1

  Because I think like, maybe it was like, you know, Ryan Reynolds and he's behind all the Deadpools and, you know, he's a billionaire with all this creative input. That is obviously filtering through Blake as well. But like, when you sign it, it's definitely this movie seemed like it was Justin Baldoni's. Like he has all the rights to the film. Like he bought them off Colleen Hoover. So like, it seemed like Justin Baldoni needed a co-star that was just going to be the co-star, not somebody who was going to try backseat drive.

• Speaker #0

  I think a bit submissive. and passive. That's not what she is.

• Speaker #1

  No, and especially Ryan Reynolds isn't like that either. Somebody said that Jessica, Detective Jessica said, maybe their pursuit, because like people are dying. LA was on fire. Why are we caring about this like never ending mudslinging competition where there's just two of them in it? It's so grey. She could, like, they're both in the wrong. They're both in the right. But we're arguing over like text. It all seems like very frivolous. But Jess had an insight and was like, well, maybe they're fighting for the rights to the second film. And maybe they're trying to scare him off. Oh,

• Speaker #0

  my God. Would anyone watch that? Sorry, have you watched the movie? No. I think I'm going to have to.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, I was actually thinking that when I watched that 10 minute thing to see if you can see it.

• Speaker #0

  I think I might have to, even though, like, I'll have to look away.

• Speaker #1

  Because it did look like, you know, sometimes he's pure. Like, remember, don't worry, darling. Like. they were like is this real isn't it real is it getting people to talk about and watch the film oh god but just going back to the fashion and you know there's all this like occasion like dressing for the movie that you're in like Wicked did it really well Barbie did it well but with It Ends With Us the irony of her having a hair care line and having the worst hair I've ever seen played like yeah it was just so funny it was like

• Speaker #0

  It was obviously a wig.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, but what about your wig makes me want to buy your hair care? It was really bad.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, she just had a shit lid in this one.

• Speaker #1

  It was such a shit lid.

• Speaker #0

  It was a really shit lid. And then the costume as well. Yeah,

• Speaker #1

  it's just like so many flowers.

• Speaker #0

  You would just wonder what made her sign on in the first place.

• Speaker #1

  Like, I just think sometimes, is it too much mental energy? Just like, give up. Just go on, move on with your lives. Like, she's now issued a gag order on him. He's set up his website. Then the poor author Colleen Hoover has now deactivated her Instagram. I don't know. I'm like so team no one. He's got way more to lose. So I can see why he's fighting this a bit more and like pulling 400 million out of nowhere. I suppose it's in like lost earnings or whatever. But like neither of them are innocent in it. It's like Amber Heard and Johnny Depp.

• Speaker #0

  But it's so entertaining.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, no, it is. But like... We just have to be kind of careful with our, you know, the algorithms and what you choose to believe and like what we're actually being served. Like the one thing like when Blake filed her lawsuit at Christmastime, that made me really think like because I had seen so many video anti Blake Lively videos. You would believe that if you're constantly being served. It's like our minds are shaped by algorithms, not by facts in a way. And like we can be so easily swayed. Like I was listening to this one podcast and she. She made a TikTok video in favor of Blake and it did nothing. And then she made a TikTok in favor of Baldoni and the anti-Blake one, the Baldoni one, like flew. It went like, got so much more views. So the algorithms are built for you to watch it and you want to be shocked being like, what has she done next? What has she done next? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That kind of thing scares me because it's like I'm so malleable to what my social media feed tells me what I should think.

• Speaker #0

  That was really, yeah.

• Speaker #1

  But I think sometimes when there's mudslinging contests, it is, yes, it's entertaining. Don't get me wrong.

• Speaker #0

  They're like wrestling in the mud. It's amazing.

• Speaker #1

  They're wrestling in the mud. They're pulling each other's hair. Fingers are going up noses.

• Speaker #0

  Can you imagine how awkward and the precision they needed at the premiere to keep these two stars of the movie separate?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. And what you think about him being like, they've locked me in a basement. And he's released a voice note of him being like, I'm here in the basement with my family. this was supposed to be the best day of our lives, but we're down here locked away until they pass. Oh,

• Speaker #0

  is that what that was?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. So the whole cast, or like Colleen Hoover and the rest of the cast, unfollowed him. Like, you know, she wouldn't tell people to do that. You know, the people are unfollowing for a reason.

• Speaker #0

  So yeah,

• Speaker #1

  I just don't think there's any angels in this scenario.

• Speaker #0

  No, and I know I'm assuming it's still the case, but she's never really had a stylist because she's so... wants to do everything herself.

• Speaker #1

  Another potty I was listening to, the Every Outfit one, and they're both stylists. Oh no, one of them's a stylist. They're in the fashion-y worlds, okay? And one of them said, okay, yes, she doesn't have a stylist, but think of the assistant who has to do that job. So you would have like another assistant. Oh,

• Speaker #0

  of course. It's just like control.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. But like there's an assistant going, having to go and do that. So she's saying she doesn't have an official stylist, but there will be somebody. It's not like she's going to the shops and talking to designers, doing it all herself. So there's like an unofficial stylist. Oh,

• Speaker #0

  getting all the bits. Totally.

• Speaker #1

  But you can really tell like some of those outfits, like she's such a gorgeous, beautiful, statuesque woman. Like some of the outfits were like very strange.

• Speaker #0

  I wonder, will there be more updates now by the time this airs? I kind of hope there is. It's just quite entertaining, to be honest. And, you know, January is a long month. So here's hope and gazer.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. And sorry, just one final piece, just a little nugget that's just come through. You know, being in the A-list, OK, you can be in your like Marvel A-list like Ryan Reynolds is or the big films he does. But like to be really taken seriously, you have to have really good fashion and you have to earn the respect of the fashionistas, the front rowers and the gays. And I think that's where Blake Lively has fallen down because of the car crash that went on in that flower confetti explosion that went on in what she was wearing from the boas to the big blooming dresses. I think people are just like icked out by how bad she looked.

• Speaker #0

  She's definitely like a hot potato now, I'd say. To work with. Sorry, before we get to your recommendation, has Rachel texted back? Oh, oh. Do we have any news coming in from the hot pot?

• Speaker #1

  Come on, Rach. OK, hopefully she'll get back in the next like 30 seconds.

• Speaker #0

  I loved going through all those tattletats with you. And it's your turn this week for a record. Hit us with the record.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, yes. Netflix have a new half an hour comedy show. It's with Ted Danson from Cheers fame. It is called A Man on the Inside. It is the coziest half an hour. It's gentle. It's about old people in an old folks home. And he kind of infiltrates. So there's elements of being a spy.

• Speaker #0

  Is it good?

• Speaker #1

  There's a very sad start. I nearly couldn't get through the first like 10 minutes. I was like, I don't know if I can do this. But don't worry, push through. Obviously with old people comes like, you know, the circle of life. But it's very cute, very laugh out loud, very gentle. Just a perfect January, cozy, relaxing, soul soothing. I don't have any old people in my life. And this was just like seeing so many old people on boots scooting around the nursing home. It's more like a residential facility than a nursing home, really. There's loads of horror to it. There's loads of laugh out loud lols. The undercurrent of like, it's an espionage nursing home film. So let that be enough. But it's brilliant. So funny and cosy.

• Speaker #0

  I can't watch it with death, though. Can I skip that part?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Because I love him.

• Speaker #1

  You could skip the first like 10 minutes. but it's dealt with very beautifully. Oh,

• Speaker #0

  okay.

• Speaker #1

  I'd skip the first 10 minutes because I did find that really sad. Yeah. But it kind of endears you into his character and his home, the architecture or the interior design. Beautiful.

• Speaker #0

  Stunning. Thank you so much, Gazza. That is it for this week, folks. We hope you had a nice time listening. If you have any inside gossip on, like, Lively or anything, do let us know.

• Speaker #1

  Or James Norton's Willie.

• Speaker #0

  Sorry, if, yeah, that's probably easier. Anything on James Norton.

• Speaker #1

  Still no white smoke. Rachel, for God's sake.

• Speaker #0

  Come on. Rachel, if you're listening, you really held hog up this week. You can follow us on Instagram at plazacabana, at so fun to find. Rate, review, subscribe. Tell any of your friends who are interested in CelebGoss or just want to hear our lovely dulcet tones. We will catch you next week. Goodbye.

• Speaker #1

  Goodbye. Bye. That was, I really enjoyed that. Sorry we ran a bit over.