- Speaker #0
here's the biggest thing i'm wondering is you're an attorney here in vegas and it's like billboard wars yes oh my gosh yeah it's so competitive here right yeah definitely talk to me about your just i mean because you're a very smart woman thank you welcome and you What was your thought process to be like, well, this guy's doing this and this guy's doing this. And Sam and Ash, I can't tell if they're brother and sister or if they're married. I don't know what's going on with them. Bless their hearts, Sam and Ash. I'm just saying your messaging is a little off. What was it that you were like, okay, I need to be in this space or I should be in this space. And then this is how I'm going to do it.
- Speaker #1
You know, I think that when you're looking at billboards, for me, there's a lot of clutter and a lot of it just becomes white noise. So there's a lot of... different firms and individuals that almost like over advertised. So for me, it was one finding the balance where it's like, I'm kind of like a constant reminder, you know, because you don't really need me until you need me. But also, I don't want to be, you know, everywhere where it's just almost becomes white noise and a little annoying, you know, to put it that way. And I think when I say clutter, I just wanted it to be like a clean message. So for me, I really just started advertising with just my brand name, which was Misha Moulton Law, a picture, no phone number. Because, you know, for the most part, when you're driving, especially on the expressway, you're not stopping, grabbing your phone, trying to enter in a phone number. So what you're going to remember is you're going to remember the name. And, you know, from a marketing perspective, advertising, it's even better if people look me up on Google and up on my website and up on my social media. So it was, you know, various little things went into it. But I also just like doing things my own way. I really just, you know, I don't really fall into this realm of copying what anybody else is doing. I'm like, you know what, we're going to go for it. And worst case scenario, it doesn't work. And we pivot. We figure it out.
- Speaker #0
Has it worked for you?
- Speaker #1
It's actually worked really well. Yeah, I think I have had such a great response from the advertising and the billboards. I am, you know, a fairly new firm. I'd say it's four years now. But, you know, some of the level that I get put on with these other firms that have been out there, they're spending significantly more than I am. And that just goes to show me that the branding has really picked up in the last few years.
- Speaker #0
You have the cleanest billboards out there.
- Speaker #1
Yes. Yeah. That was the look I was going for. Yeah.
- Speaker #0
I mean, they are clean and it's great because there's not a lot of stuff getting thrown at you.
- Speaker #1
Yes.
- Speaker #0
It's just you, a picture of you at the end.
- Speaker #1
Yes, exactly. Yeah.
- Speaker #0
You know.
- Speaker #1
And I mean, recently I've added immigration and injuries to the equation, but that's as much as you're going to ever see on my billboards. That's it. That's it.
- Speaker #0
Also, very smart. Let them Google you.
- Speaker #1
Yeah, that's the whole point is, you know, I've learned a lot about Google working in this world is, you know, as much as I'm lawyering, I'm also running the business. And you learn about, you know, SEO and PPC and backlinks and how everything works. So I have, you know, spreadsheets and formulas. And I'm always trying to think of, you know, if this form of advertising leads to clicks to a different form of advertising it. It's so I'm always kind of thinking from that. perspective as well.
- Speaker #0
The next genre you've got to look at is called GEO, which is search on LLMs. So if somebody puts in the chat GPT, who is the best immigration attorney in Las Vegas, you show up.
- Speaker #1
Okay. Got it.
- Speaker #0
It's called GEO.
- Speaker #1
GEO. All right. That's what you want to be. Adding that to my list.
- Speaker #0
You want to make sure that your website is optimized for GEO.
- Speaker #1
Okay. All right. Thank you for the tip. I appreciate it.
- Speaker #0
And if you have a smart social media company, they will run an audit for you. make the changes or give you the information to give to your web dev people on the back end.
- Speaker #1
All right.
- Speaker #0
You don't want to do it. Do you do it yourself? No,
- Speaker #1
I don't do it myself, but I'm involved in, you know, I like learning it all. And I'm a very hands-on person. So for me, it's like, there's nothing that gets done in my business that doesn't have like my sign off.
- Speaker #0
So you're on everything.
- Speaker #1
Everything. Yeah. And not because I have to be. I have some. incredible people that work for me and I've been so fortunate to have such an amazing staff and also work with like some great companies along the way too. I just, one, I find it just, I find it incredibly fascinating and then two, it's my baby, you know?
- Speaker #0
It's your baby.
- Speaker #1
Yeah.
- Speaker #0
I know the feeling. It's your baby and how dare anybody call your baby ugly because your baby is the most beautiful baby of all time and because you put all that work into your baby.
- Speaker #1
Yes. Yeah. They do have like a little bit of a growing phase and it gets a little bit cuter as time goes. But, you know, it's definitely one of those things where I'm just I'm very passionate about what I do. And I love the business side of things as much as I love the lawyering side of things.
- Speaker #0
Is there one that you love more, the business side or the lawyering side?
- Speaker #1
You know, I I'd say it's really like at this moment split down the middle because. I think a lot of people will say like, hey, I'm a great attorney and a great business person, but I think it's really like you are better at one or the other. And I will probably say I'm definitely better at the business side of things. So when it comes to the lawyering side of things, if there's cases that get complicated or require additional eyes, I bring in experience, the best of the best. I have no problem. I'm one of those lawyers that has no problem splitting my fees where I'm like, you're going to get. Not just me. You're going to get this whole other team and we're going to tackle it together. Where 90% of firms do that, but they won't tell you that. They'll just be like, oh, we're just good at everything across the board.
- Speaker #0
No shit.
- Speaker #1
Yeah. Yeah.
- Speaker #0
So this is not meant at all to besmirch the legal world, but I just got done rewatching for the umpteenth time Better Call Saul.
- Speaker #1
Okay. I love that show. Right? I mean,
- Speaker #0
it's just written so well. Vince Gilligan is just brilliant. He's so great. Yeah. perfect casting. The casting is fantastic. It's just, you know, Odenkirk is unbelievable in it. And every time I watch it, every two or three years, it's a different set of eyes. Cause I'm older.
- Speaker #1
Yeah.
- Speaker #0
And gone through more. And I watched Jimmy McGill and he is just so flawed, but so brilliant.
- Speaker #1
Yes.
- Speaker #0
As an attorney.
- Speaker #1
Yep.
- Speaker #0
And he can't get out of his own way. Cause he just can't like, he's got it like a moth to a flame. He's got to keep going to that flame every time. Yep. you know, and self-destruct. Don't mention names, but like, are there Saul Goodmans in Las Vegas?
- Speaker #1
I think that there's definitely, you know, Saul Goodmans. I think you're going to find various personalities in the practice of law. And so I think, you know, we're all a little strange in our own way, honestly. I don't think that you can. go through as much schooling. And then the schooling is just one half of it, right? Just because you go to law school doesn't mean you're going to be successful. Like the percentage of people who actually go on to become successful lawyers is so small. So when you're really looking at that group of people, they really are, you know, a little eccentric, just a little different. And I mean, I love different and weird. I'm for sure, you know, I'm a little weird myself and I'm all for it. So yes. So that would be, I guess, the long answer to your question.
- Speaker #0
question. Given the diverse array of legal representation you can get in Las Vegas, and let's say personal injury, because it's just, I mean, you swing a dead cat and there's 45 personal injury attorneys out there. What are the biggest questions someone should ask a personal injury firm before hiring them?
- Speaker #1
You know, I'd say kind of going back to the billboards is ask to meet with the person who's on the billboards and see if that happens. So... I think that's like a really good start. And I can promise you, I'd say probably eight times out of 10, you're not going to meet that person because they're just not available. They don't live here. So I think it's really just, you know, who is advertising? Are they actually the ones who are going into the office on a regular basis? Are they working on your cases? Are they actually managing their staff? So for me, I, you know, I have experience from a very high volume practice law firm and I wanted to. Take what I learned from there, you know, the do's and the don'ts and really kind of apply it to a boutique style practice where if someone's ever like, hey, I want to talk to Misha, I want a meeting with Misha, it's going to happen. No questions asked. So I think it's really just that simple sometimes, you know, just make sure you know who you're hiring and, you know, don't fall for like some of the gimmicks that you see on like commercials and, you know. 99% of cases won. I don't even know how you track that, to be honest with you. Like, it's just.
- Speaker #0
I love that one. I love $400 billion settlements.
- Speaker #1
Yeah.
- Speaker #0
What?
- Speaker #1
Yeah.
- Speaker #0
What? Or the TV commercials. Do you do TV commercials?
- Speaker #1
I do not. Okay, good. No. Good, because I'd be like. No, I'm not really a fan of TV commercials.
- Speaker #0
It's always these commercials of these, usually these guys, and there's like this much fine print at the lower part of it as like a disclaimer. Yeah,
- Speaker #1
the huge disclaimers.
- Speaker #0
That's there for like maybe 30 seconds. You can't read that. No. It's in like 0.5 font.
- Speaker #1
And it's flashing.
- Speaker #0
And it's flashing. I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah. It's shysters. Yeah. And it's wild to me. It's wild to me. But that's, I guess, how they get business. I'm like, billboards, okay. I'm not a big billboard guy, but for you do, yes. Because if you're driving and something happens.
- Speaker #1
Yes.
- Speaker #0
You know, like how often have you gotten clients from they're in and something happens and they see your billboard right there?
- Speaker #1
I mean, I'm right on the 215, so it happens for sure. Yeah.
- Speaker #0
I mean, so to me, that is just the marketing end of what you do is just another level.
- Speaker #1
Yeah, it is. It is very competitive and it's always shifting. And it's a lot of figuring out what works, you know. And so sometimes it's trying different things. And, you know, nowadays the social media side of things is so huge too. So it's like you're seeing firms try all these different things. things and, you know, pictures. Okay, now pictures aren't really a thing. So like, let's move to reels and videos and, you know, and then it's like, we got to have the reel be like a short one because everybody's attention span is becoming so small. So it's just, you know, a constant evolution.
- Speaker #0
Do you exercise?
- Speaker #1
I love exercising.
- Speaker #0
What do you do for exercise?
- Speaker #1
So I weight train and I kickbox and I do Pilates. So I'm like a five, six day a week. person. Honestly, as much as I probably do it for vanity reasons, I really do it for like mental stability.
- Speaker #0
It's the cheapest therapy you can ever have. Absolutely. Yeah.
- Speaker #1
You feel great after you're done with the workout. I'm usually like an early morning workout person. So it's just how I like starting off my day.
- Speaker #0
Ever go for walks?
- Speaker #1
I do. Yeah. I actually, well, now that the weather's nice, so I'm from the cold. So you would think I'm like used to it, but I just like when it's like a nice, cool, you know. 60 degrees outside, 70 in the morning. I'm like, I could walk for miles.
- Speaker #0
I drop. I walk six days a week, five, six miles a day, and I drop clips every time.
- Speaker #1
Do you? Okay. For my walks. Really? Yeah.
- Speaker #0
And so food for thought.
- Speaker #1
Yeah.
- Speaker #0
And just, it doesn't have to be legal. Because people want to get to know you and your brand and who you are as a person.
- Speaker #1
Yes.
- Speaker #0
And so phone, walk, ponytail, no makeup or anything. Yeah. It's you. It's raw. Yeah. And then get it to your social media team and say, drop this.
- Speaker #1
You know, that is. Really good advice. And I'll be very honest, something that I struggle with. Like I, I just, I'm not a fan of social media. Like I'll be honest with you. Like I do it because it is such a huge form of advertising these days, but like, I feel like I'm such a private person and I like being disconnected. And so for me, it's like when I am on those walks, I'm usually not on my phone. And I really have like this like strict morning routine where I have my phone on do not disturb. I'm usually up at like 5 a.m. and it's on do not disturb to like 7. So I really try hard to like live in real life, if that makes any sense. It's wonderful. Yeah. And, you know, because I mean, I'm guilty of it just as much as anyone else. Like you start scrolling and before you know it, it's been like 45 minutes, an hour. And also, I just feel like... There's so many positives to social media, but then there's so many negatives too. It's just
- Speaker #0
It's awful.
- Speaker #1
Yeah. The negatives are awful.
- Speaker #0
For sure. The only thing worse than social media and my wife and she watches these and I love her with the heat of a thousand suns. I love you, Brandy. But she got me about a month ago on Candy Crush.
- Speaker #1
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've heard of that.
- Speaker #0
Oh, don't do it. Don't do it. Yeah. It's like yeah. If you have remotely addictive personality, Candy Crush is it I'm now running AI models that I'm creating business plans for my clients to have the addictive nature of the business model of Candy Crush.
- Speaker #1
Oh, wow. Okay.
- Speaker #0
Reverse engineer it. That's how good it is.
- Speaker #1
I mean, I know people get very addicted to it, and it's been around for a while.
- Speaker #0
For a while. Yeah. But the walk thing, it's, again, I want to push back a little bit. Yeah, of course. Please do. Because it's all about just, first of all, how can you reach the most people organically and spend the least amount of money?
- Speaker #1
Yes.
- Speaker #0
Right? Yeah. And the production value is a cost that's zero. Yeah. It's you. You're going for a walk. Hold the phone a little bit higher. Yeah. Because this looks like you're dominant. You're going to be dominant over your audience. Yeah. So eye level or a little bit above and just. 30 seconds, 45 seconds, something motivational, something educational, something entertaining, or a hybrid of those and do it and then send it. Like send it to your team to post. It's amazing.
- Speaker #1
Yeah.
- Speaker #0
What it's done for me is...
- Speaker #1
And I know people want to see like the real side of you, you know, versus just like the business side of you, like the person that's on the billboards and So that is something that I do need to definitely get better at.
- Speaker #0
It's food for thought and we're always looking to evolve. Yeah, absolutely. As a business owner, we're always looking to evolve. Yeah. And it's something that like I'm not a fan of. This is what I ate tonight or, you know, here's a picture of us here. I don't do that stuff, but I love my morning walk videos.
- Speaker #1
Yeah.
- Speaker #0
You know, and I'll drop clips from this stuff, but my morning walk videos are like it's cathartic for me.
- Speaker #1
And I'm sure it's probably like a nice like little, it becomes like almost like a form of therapy or like an outlet.
- Speaker #0
It is absolutely therapeutic. Yeah. And it's, I'm also holding myself accountable to go on my walk because now my audience is looking forward to the next video I'm going to draw.
- Speaker #1
And they're like, hey, did you not go on your walk this morning? Yeah,
- Speaker #0
I get that when I'll take a day off and I'll get three or four DMs going, hey man, did you, you okay? Yeah. What's going on? I'm like, I'm old, but I'm okay. Don't worry. I'm not that old. I'm doing okay. But it's just something that we always have to evolve into a how can we organically reach our audience and be that salmon swimming upstream?
- Speaker #1
Yeah.
- Speaker #0
You know, and it's hard. I mean I listen to podcasts. I listen to Rogan or other I'm smartless. But I'll think of something and I'll stop and then film and then 30 seconds, put it right back and keep going with my walk.
- Speaker #1
Okay. I mean and that's great too. So it's like then I can kind of have a balance of like the way that I live my life and still
- Speaker #0
conquer social media just it's something to think about yeah um i'm a i'm a big karma guy and i just whenever i think and also raging adhd and so i just if i get something in my head i'm like hey man i just want to and i share with my friends all the time okay good yeah i'm always just that's this is a very small town how long you been here i've been here since 2014 okay yeah um this is the smallest town i've been here 15 years smallest i've ever been in is vegas in terms of just connectivity to people?
- Speaker #1
Yeah. Yeah, it's a very different type of city in regards to that for sure.
- Speaker #0
There's great people here. Like we've made great friends here.
- Speaker #1
Yes, so have we.
- Speaker #0
But then it's like all of a sudden, oh, you're leaving. Oh, you're leaving. Oh, you're moving out. What?
- Speaker #1
Yeah, it seems like people don't stick around long. Like they always have like a final destination, I guess, and Vegas is not it.
- Speaker #0
It's that. It's, you know, to be a parent here is People say it's challenging. My stepdaughter is in, she's a junior in high school. My daughter goes to LVA as a performing arts kid. She's a, she's a theater major, voice of an angel. And my son's in 10th grade. They're all doing, they're doing great.
- Speaker #1
My, I have a seven-year-old. So, and she's, she's in school here. She's in a bunch of, you know, extracurricular activities, piano, ballet. And she, I mean, so far so good. Do I obviously, you know. worry about it as a parent. Absolutely. You think about things and, you know, I think about schooling and Vegas and social media, all these different things that she's going to be exposed to. But, you know, she's such a great little kid and she's so structured already. And I feel like she's, you know, on the right track. And as long as you're doing everything to be able to keep her there.
- Speaker #0
All you could do.
- Speaker #1
Yeah.
- Speaker #0
It's to be a parent is the hardest but most rewarding job ever.
- Speaker #1
Yes.
- Speaker #0
You have a front row seat to the evolution of another. human being that is here because of you.
- Speaker #1
Yes. Yeah.
- Speaker #0
And that's so cool, Misha.
- Speaker #1
It's super cool. She's my, she's my little best friend. Isn't that awesome? Yeah. I love it.
- Speaker #0
Um, does she have a phone?
- Speaker #1
She does not.
- Speaker #0
When, when is that going to, if you talk to your husband about that, about like, have you had the phone talk yet about when?
- Speaker #1
So me and her dad are not together, but we have a great relationship, like wonderful co-parenting relationship. So we do talk about everything and we're on the same page. Um, honestly, I, I, I have no, it's going to be a while. Like it's going to be, she has a little iPad that we allow her access to watch things. And she like kind of travels between like our two houses with it. And she's got like a very limited list of who she can like communicate with. And it's usually, you know, it's just like family. And then that shuts off at a certain time of the day. So like we monitor everything and then we. we know what TV shows and everything she's watching as well. But I can't imagine just handing your kid a phone. It just sounds like a bad idea.
- Speaker #0
It's a bad idea. Yeah. I mean, my stepdaughter and daughter have one, but Jack is 10 and he's asked several times. I co-parent very well with his mom. And the way we do it is it's Roman law. Either we're both like this or if it's like this, you know, if it's one up and one down with thumbs, no. It's a no. And I'm like, no. No, for Jack, he has ADHD like me and no, especially that you're three or four clicks away from porn and beheading videos.
- Speaker #1
It's yeah. And that's the other thing too. Like I was joking around with one of my friends, like, you know, a couple of weeks ago and I was like, I don't go on Instagram often. I actually prefer TikTok over Instagram and a couple of different reasons. TikTok, I feel like you can set your algorithm really quickly, like just based on kind of what you're stopping at. So it's like. I'm in a music mood. I'm in an interior design mood. It just kind of shifts, right? Where, and then I don't know anybody on TikTok either. So it's just like, that's like kind of the nice part where it's just like mind numbing scrolling, where Instagram is like, okay, this is all like family and friends. I'm like engaging. And, and then when you're not engaging with your family and friends, I feel like I'm just getting OnlyFans advertisements. So. I was like, I don't know how I set my algorithm to this or how to reset it. But that's like, you know, I feel like that's basically such a big portion of what Instagram has kind of become. And so I do worry about that when I see that kind of stuff, because I'm like, I don't want my daughter to be exposed to that. I don't want her to be exposed to girls who are AI and thinking like, you know, this is like the ideal way to look. or the ideal body it's and it's not even real um so you know I'm I'm very mindful of that and then also just the um addiction part of things right I think that people just like when you go to dinner like I am very much a person who likes to put my phone away and I mean trust me if I need I am also a person who needs to be very connected but uh I think it's always nice when you see people put their phones away and actually be present versus like a couple who's at dinner and they're both just like independently scrolling on their phones.
- Speaker #0
I think that if you have your phone out in public at a dinner, at a meal, at a dinner table, and your kids are there and they have a tablet, their phones out, you're a shitty parent.
- Speaker #1
Yeah.
- Speaker #0
It's like,
- Speaker #1
I love conversation. I love like, just, you know, yeah. Like, let's talk. Like, how was your day? You know, what do you want to do this summer? And, It's just like the amount of people that I see just sitting there scrolling and doing this. So it's like whatever they're looking at, it doesn't even seem that interesting.
- Speaker #0
It's that constant dopamine hit is what they're looking for. And at our house, Brandy cooks almost every night. She's from Georgia. So she's just southern and cooks like it's no one's business. It's that's why I walk all the time. Oh, my God. I love her, but oh, my God. But we have there's no electronics. Okay. I love that. And my kids are over all the time. And so. It's no electronics. I don't care if it's dead silence. But we're not having our fucking phones at the table.
- Speaker #1
No, and that's perfect. Who cares if it's silent, you know?
- Speaker #0
And it's to the point where my stepdaughter sometimes gets uncomfortable. And she said this with silence. And I told her, I go, honey, and I love Soph. I go, honey, because you're so used to that dopamine hit of scrolling. Yeah. That your brain is so wired to that. And that's not good.
- Speaker #1
No, I appreciate silence. Like there are days where I just had like the... craziest day ever. And I love music. Like I live for it. I'm a very much like a live music type person. So I look forward to getting in my car and playing it. But there are days I drive home from the office like in complete silence because I just know I've had, you know, just one of those days where it's been like one thing after the other. And it's that in itself is therapeutic. And then you go home and then I'll park in my driveway and I'll sit there for like 10 minutes. And I'm like, this is like my disassociation time. So. You find different things that like work for you. But I think the constant, you know, just being on your phone, being on social media is definitely not great for anyone at any age.
- Speaker #0
It's okay to be bored.
- Speaker #1
Yeah.
- Speaker #0
It's okay to be bored. For sure.
- Speaker #1
And enjoy your own company. Yeah.
- Speaker #0
I mean, it's the best way to work on yourself.
- Speaker #1
Yeah.
- Speaker #0
I have some of the best interactions with my son. We'll go for walks together.
- Speaker #1
I love that. That's actually. And, you know, when he gets older. He's going to remember that.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
Yeah. Those are going to be like the moments he looks back at and remembers.
- Speaker #0
I cherish that with him. You know, I'm trying to get both of us got to lose a little bit of weight. So he knows 10,000 steps every day. Yeah. Whether he's at his mom's house or with me. And so we go out together for these walks and it's just wonderful. I let him dictate the conversation.
- Speaker #1
Yeah.
- Speaker #0
And we're talking about like the, you know, the sun. He's into all the planets and Star Wars and Legos and all the things a 10-year-old boy should be. involved with. Yes. And I just double down on all of that with him.
- Speaker #1
um he's teaching himself guitar he's learning metallica oh because we watch stranger things it's my type of kid master of puppets which i'm metalhead from the 80s that's uh i'm more of like a 90s rock and roll girl okay so grunge rock era angry chains oh god yes yeah so but i mean of course i can appreciate metallica i'm looking very forward to seeing them at the sphere are going to go?
- Speaker #0
Yeah, for sure.
- Speaker #1
I got tickets and then I heard Tools like talking about going to the Sphere. So I was like, for me, I'm a bigger Tool fan than I am Metallica. Did you see them?
- Speaker #0
I saw them last year, I think. They were at T-Mobile. Did you see them then?
- Speaker #1
I didn't see them then. I saw them a couple of years ago. But this year, I'm going to be going and seeing System of an Al and Korn here in like a month from now. I love you. Yeah.
- Speaker #0
Dude.
- Speaker #1
Yeah. I love all that music. It's, It's my, and it's not just like my gym playlist. It's just like my, my play. And then it's kind of funny. Cause I go from like a corn song to like a Zach Bryan song. Like that's kind of my, my range.
- Speaker #0
That'd be great content for you. Start throwing out some content about, you know, bet you never knew. And then all of a sudden, you know, a picture of you like banging your head and going like this and, you know, when they're playing tool or corn is wonderful too.
- Speaker #1
Yeah, no, I, I've actually, um, they're, they're great live. Yeah. They're amazing. Like I've seen them probably like five, six times. Really? Yeah.
- Speaker #0
And that's we're blessed here.
- Speaker #1
Oh, yeah, because everybody comes through town.
- Speaker #0
I mean everyone comes here and you get we're ruined. You go to the Sphere, you're ruined forever to see a show.
- Speaker #1
For sure. I was fortunate enough. Me and my boyfriend went to go see the UFC at the Sphere. I was like this was like that was the coolest experience ever. So I'm not saying that the ones afterwards haven't been, you know, as... They haven't lived up to the expectation, but I just think it was such a unique experience.
- Speaker #0
It's another dimension of entertainment that you just never see anywhere else.
- Speaker #1
Yeah, for sure. Absolutely.
- Speaker #0
And worth every penny. Like it's expensive as hell. You got to mortgage your house to get a ticket, but it's Yeah. Yeah, I've been twice. I'm dead in company because a buddy of mine was in town, my best friend. I'm like, okay, let's eat gummies and go. Fine. Yeah. And then you too.
- Speaker #1
Okay, yeah. We saw you too and then Lady Gaga made a guest appearance. I was there. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. So we were there the same night. I was there. I'm crazy.
- Speaker #0
Yep. And everyone, pro tip, don't get section 100.
- Speaker #1
No. The worst. So the thing, the key with the sphere is you want to actually sit further away. And you want to sit in like the twos, even preferably the 300s. And it's kind of deceiving because of course, like with every other concert venue, everyone's like, oh, 100, I'm going to be closer. But then you miss a lot of things.
- Speaker #0
You don't want to be on the floor. No. You don't want 100, but level two or 300 dead center.
- Speaker #1
Yep.
- Speaker #0
is what will blow your mind.
- Speaker #1
Yes.
- Speaker #0
Blow your mind.
- Speaker #1
You'll see and hear everything.
- Speaker #0
Let's circle back to law. Yeah, for sure. Okay, so there's a couple topics I wanted to touch on with you. First of all, dog bites?
- Speaker #1
Yes, yeah.
- Speaker #0
Like you've handled dog bites. It's just funny because that's such a niche thing.
- Speaker #1
Yeah.
- Speaker #0
So. How did that happen? And like, talk to me about dog bite cases.
- Speaker #1
So, I mean, I handle everything negligence related. So just basically means where somebody, you know, has a duty to use reasonable care and they fail to do so for some reason. So, you know, very similar to like a car accident, you have to make sure that you are safeguarding your pets and that they are, you know, on a leash, properly maintained if somebody's coming to your house. And you know that your animals have like a propensity to bite or attack or anything like that, or maybe they're just even slightly aggressive. So you have to kind of pay attention to those types of things. So I have had, you know, several dog bite situations over my career come up. And unfortunately, most of them have been with children. So, yeah, really young children. And, you know, a couple of them that I can think of in particular that resulted in. pretty serious disfigurement. So, you know, it's not just going through the treatment and trying to get them better, stitches, removal of skin, all of these different things. But then it's like scar treatment. And this one poor child was bit on the face. So that was, you know, and that's how we evaluate claims as well, is just like where they're bitten, you know. Is it like a woman dealing with a scar or a child dealing with a scar is considered to be a little bit worse than a man dealing with a scar? So there's all these different things that you take into consideration with these types of cases. But it happens. It happens a lot. And, you know, it's not just in parks. Sometimes it's on people's property. So I've seen recent dog bite videos of just people walking down. street in New York City and getting bit by a dog. So that's the other thing too, is like depending on the state that you're in, like even if you're walking your dog properly on a leash, if they have...
- Speaker #0
you know, if they show any kind of aggressive behavior, then maybe a muzzle is required. You know, maybe don't take them into such a high populated area. So these are, you know, various things that you would think are common sense. But the reason dog bites happen is because unfortunately we lack on the common sense in some aspects. No,
- Speaker #1
no, Misha, say it isn't so.
- Speaker #0
Yeah. So that's why I have a job.
- Speaker #1
You ever sit and look at stuff and go, what a fucking dumbass. You have to.
- Speaker #0
I mean,
- Speaker #1
there is sometimes go, what's a fucking person thinking?
- Speaker #0
I come across cases like that all the time.
- Speaker #1
It's job security for you, man. I mean, I'm sorry. Yeah. Again, not to condone the act, but it's like, you know, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
- Speaker #0
Yes, absolutely. And, you know, and the thing is, like, especially like I know, and this is obviously up for debate all the time, but there's certain breeds that we just know have. the ability to be a little bit more aggressive, right? So you have those particular breeds, like you need to be even more mindful because as much as people are like, it's not, it's never the breed, it's the owner, it's the person who's training them. Most of the dog bites I see usually always fall within those specific breeds.
- Speaker #1
What breeds are the most aggressive that you've seen in just, and this isn't your opinion, this is just case history.
- Speaker #0
Yeah, case history, it's mostly always pit bulls. Yeah, so those are usually like. the ones that I've dealt with the most for sure.
- Speaker #1
We have a pit bull. Her name is Cookie.
- Speaker #0
Cookie.
- Speaker #1
Cookie Monster Fargo. Her legal middle name is Monster. It's hilarious. That's so cute. And I take her the first mile of my walk. I bring her with me. And I learned this from my wife because she's the best. And so Cookie will, when she sees like another dog, she'll go, and so I put like shorter leash. I shorten the leash up, wrap it around my hand. I go, be sweet.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
Make good choices. Make good choices. 99% of the time, she'll go like, dad, okay. And then she keeps going. And that's okay. But it's like you need just like parenting. When you have a dog, you've got to put the time in.
- Speaker #0
For sure. I have a puppy. She's 10 months old now. She's a Bouvier. And so she's going to be a big girl. She's already like 50, 60 pounds. And I sent her away to training for four weeks. It wasn't cheap. But I was like, she's the furthest thing from aggressive, but she's got like just this maniac level of energy. And the way she wants to greet anybody is by jumping on them. And so I'm like, I can't have her like jumping on like, you know, a child or like an old person while we're like walking. And so I had to send her away to training and but the training doesn't just end at four weeks because she has puppy brain. So I have to keep it going. So you know, we've got all the special gadgets and the collars and the... You know, yeah, everything, all of it. And I was like, and I was against all of it because I'm a very like, you know, just, I love, I love animals. I'm like super sensitive to it. You're never going to catch me in a hunting type of scenario. But then I realized I'm like, you know, it's, there's only certain things that they respond to. And so, and so far it's been very, very positive. And she's just like, she's. actually caught on to the training quite a bit. I just have to kind of keep reminding her and then doing it every day. The sit, stay, down, place is my favorite one. Yeah.
- Speaker #1
I had some ex-girlfriends. I wish I could do that. Fantastic. My ex-wife. Oh, I'm sure.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
Have you ever had a case for like a Bichon Frise to fuck somebody up?
- Speaker #0
I have not. No, like a little like Chihuahua or like a Little French bulldogs.
- Speaker #1
Those yappy dogs. That are always like you're walking by the house and you hear them in the backyard. They're losing their mind and jumping up like six feet in the air.
- Speaker #0
I've had people obviously try to consult with me where it's like the dogs get into a fight or a tiff and they end up injuring each other. Unfortunately, those are not cases that I can take because animals are considered property damage. So even if you're traveling with an animal in a vehicle. And like your dog ends up getting hurt somehow, you need to take them to the vet, which is, you know, it happens a lot. But they're considered property damage. I can't make an individual claim for them.
- Speaker #1
Interesting.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
Because we look at them as people.
- Speaker #0
Yeah. And I mean, my animals are for sure my little people. But, you know, in the eyes of the law, they are not.
- Speaker #1
Coming from a legal standpoint, if you were giving advice to somebody, say that, say, I just got a puppy. Yeah. And I called you up and went, hey, honey bunny, what do I do? What are the... main things I need to do in keeping my dog happy and safe, but also making sure that my dog is, you know, going to be safe and not harm anybody else.
- Speaker #0
So I would say, you know, I would ask where the dog's being kept. And if the dog's going to be outdoors quite often, okay, you want to make sure that it's a gated area, fenced in area, not something that they can get out of. Because you have, I mean, if your house is anything like mine, there's, you know, Amazon packages being dropped off all the time. So you want to make sure that anybody who's coming to the front door, it doesn't come in contact with your animal. And then when you're also, you know, you're walking them, it's you want to make sure that you have the correct leash for them. Like for me, if I put a normal leash on my dog, she's she's dragging me. Me and her, you know, probably in like the next year, we're going to weigh the same amount. So she's going to win that battle probably every time. And so I have to make sure that I have a leash on her where it's like I could properly properly control her if I need to. So... I would say the main thing is just making sure that they're in a safe guarded area where if you have unattended guests or people that you weren't anticipating coming to your house, that they would be safe. That your animals are not able to easily get out. Because the other reason we see dog bites is they're able to get out and then travel to, you know, other properties. So I think those are like the main things. It's just, you know, it's not cheap to have an animal. It's expensive. It's a lot of training. You know, there's a lot that goes into it. But just like we care for our children and we have to make sure that they're attended to and, you know, we know their whereabouts 24 hours a day. It's very similar to the animals as well.
- Speaker #1
It is. Again, we look at it as when you have a dog. We have a dog and a cat and they're great. The cat's an asshole, but all cats are assholes as far as I'm concerned.
- Speaker #0
I have a cat and she's. She scratched the puppy's eye in the first 24 hours of having her.
- Speaker #1
No.
- Speaker #0
Yeah. So I have to have them, like, I have to have them in separate areas of the house. It's a whole thing. She's a Maine Coon. Oh, they're giant. She's a giant. Giant cat. She's, like, 25, 30 pounds. She almost looks like a dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she loves humans. She's just very territorial. And so she has this new puppy come into the house, and this puppy just wants, like, curious, like, just wants to play with her.
- Speaker #1
Fuck you.
- Speaker #0
And she went, she literally went out of her way around the couch and scratched her eye, full corneal rupture.
- Speaker #1
Oh.
- Speaker #0
And so our first like four weeks, four to six weeks of having this, this poor puppy was just ophthalmologist, you know, specialist visits. And luckily she didn't lose her sight or anything like that. I made sure I did everything possible to, but that was traumatizing for everybody.
- Speaker #1
But again, there's a pin in it. It's when you have an animal, you know, and we all, again, especially with dogs, like I said, cats are assholes. But with dogs, it's like you have this bond with your dog and you're just like you humanize it.
- Speaker #0
Yes.
- Speaker #1
You give it humanistic traits.
- Speaker #0
Right.
- Speaker #1
But that's you projecting that. That's not the dog. That you're projecting those traits onto the dog.
- Speaker #0
Yes.
- Speaker #1
Like people that put the sweaters on their dogs and the booties and all this shit.
- Speaker #0
My boyfriend does that. And I'm like,
- Speaker #1
okay. Like whatever. It's not me. But okay. You know, but it is there's ways you need to, you know, stay safe. And I'm not a big fan of those telescoping leashes. Yeah. You know, the one I have with Cookie is like, you know, four feet long. Yeah. And that's it. And like I said, if I see somebody we're in Inspirata, a bunch of walking trails. I see somebody coming. If it's another dog, I get way over. Yeah. Another person. I get over again, but also tighten up. So I wrap the leash around so there's like maybe a foot. So a cookie can't go anywhere. Yeah, exactly. Even if she wants to. 9.9 times out of 10, she just wants to sniff the person and say hi. But most people, again, because with pit bulls, it's like, oh, what am I going to do?
- Speaker #0
And believe it or not, not everybody likes dogs. No, really? Yeah. I know there are some people out there. There's space in hell for those people.
- Speaker #1
Fuck you, people who don't like dogs. You can do that when your name's on the podcast.
- Speaker #0
But they do exist. And so I'd say, you know, they don't always want to be greeted by your dog either.
- Speaker #1
And that's fine. It's, you know, it's funny. I think it's Bill Murray has a line where he says, if a dog doesn't, if my dog doesn't like you, how am I going to?
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
Because dogs are a great just barometer of people.
- Speaker #0
They really are. Yeah, for sure. And,
- Speaker #1
you know, you get people like, oh, I want to come over. Great. So, you know, we have a dog and a cat. Oh, let's come over to our house instead. And I'm like, I think twice about wanting to pursue a friendship with that person when they say that. If they say they're allergic, fine. I get it. A lot of people are allergic to dogs or cat hair or the dander. Okay. But if you're not, if you don't like a dog, it's unconditional love. Nothing is going to love you more. And that's what I want to hear for a short amount of time, I think, is that God put him here to love you so much. That they, then they get taken on to, all dogs go to heaven. I mean, a great book, Michelle, great book. But it's like, no, like what, it's, they feed off of you. When I'm having bad days, Cookie knows it. She gets right in my lap and is licking me and is like, dad, you okay?
- Speaker #0
I always say dogs will for sure be your biggest heartbreak. Your, your, your biggest love and your biggest heartbreak too.
- Speaker #1
I've been through it and it was awful. And to let Cookie in my life took a lot, but I love Brandy with all my heart. And so... I love Cookie.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
Frank can fuck off. If she's watching the podcast, that's our cat. Fuck you, Frank.
- Speaker #0
Mine is my cat's named Scar, so it's like very fitting. Scar. She lives up to her name. Lock in, Scar.
- Speaker #1
Scar's going to watch this and be like, fuck you, Jeff. Okay. Immigration.
- Speaker #0
Yes.
- Speaker #1
I want to discuss that with you because especially now, it's just all over the place.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
All like when we were talking You were either coming from or going to I think you were in Burbank.
- Speaker #0
Yes.
- Speaker #1
For an immigration case. Yeah. Right? And I never wanted to talk about pending stuff and all that, obviously. But what type of cases are you do you handle?
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
And then we can talk about all the other things that are going on.
- Speaker #0
So in terms of immigration, we handle everything. So everything from your simple visas, your visitor visa, you want to travel to the United States. Um, we do all sorts of investor visas. So if you want to, you know, bring your business here, um, you want to, um, participate in a sport out here, we do those as well. And, we also do your adjustment of status cases, which is, you know, somebody marrying someone and coming in your, your fiance visas. And then, you know, this year has introduced us to the. detainment cases, which is like such a huge part of what we're doing right now. And those were a little bit, I wouldn't say more rare. They were just, you know, you would hear about them here and there, right? It's just like you had like your standard immigration cases. But now I feel like detainment cases are like predominantly what we're doing, which is basically just, you know, attending bond hearings, making sure that these individuals, like if they were detained, do they have the ability to get released, you know? And. if they do have the ability to get released on what grounds. So it's really like evaluating. And there's no cookie cutter type scenario where it's like we're just able to attach it to every single case. Every single scenario is so different because I have to, you know, determine what their status is. If they don't have legal status, what's the reason for it? Would they be eligible for legal status? So we kind of go through that whole process. And. you know, we really stick with these individuals through like from the beginning to the end. And like one of the reasons I became an immigration attorney was, you know, I'm from Canada. So as much as some people would like to refer to that as the 51st state, it's still its own country.
- Speaker #1
What part of Canada?
- Speaker #0
Toronto, Canada. So I'm, you know, I'm an immigrant. My family's immigrated from all over the world. And, you know, I believe in helping people do it the right way. I believe in you know, when the system is set up to help individuals achieve their dreams. And I think that when people are willing to come here and work hard, you know, and build something, and I'm a great example of that. So I want to be able to help other people achieve it. And, you know, and I think that's what this country was built on is the American dream. And so I feel like having the ability to really help individuals in that aspect is really fulfilling and sometimes a little bit more fulfilling than my personal injury side of things. So I think that part's been great. And then the other thing that really pushed me into immigration was just all of the stories of immigration attorneys disappearing on clients like midway through their cases. And I mean, these are not people that have money or born into money that just have tens of thousands of dollars that they can shell out. These are people who... are working multiple jobs, borrowing money from their friends and family, just really trying to do anything to be able to pay for this case to go through. And then so for the person that they're trusting to help get them through the finish line, to just drop the ball and disappear on them like that. I wanted to really kind of step into this space and just more so from Like a little, you know, obviously from the legal perspective, but from an empathetic place as well.
- Speaker #1
So you're an immigrant yourself.
- Speaker #0
Yes. Yeah.
- Speaker #1
And you're here legally and you're doing, I mean, which is awesome. Like what, what are people regarding ICE and immigration? What are people getting wrong?
- Speaker #0
So I would say, I mean, what we've been seeing lately is just a whole different level of insanity. You know, it's just I think that there's been not a whole lot of separation of powers. There's been a lot of blurred lines. There's been multiple situations that I'm dealing with where it's, you know, just enforcement agencies or even judges are just blatantly ignoring the law. And, you know, I think. that it's one of those situations, regardless of where your politics fall, if you say you're an America first type of person, then you believe in the constitution. You believe in separation of powers. You, you know, you believe in everything that formed this country, which is what makes us very different than, you know, your normal dictatorship and, you know, situations overseas. And when you're seeing these things take place and you're just like, oh, this is great. This is, this is what I voted for. Like you can't, is that. That to me is like a huge contradiction. So.
- Speaker #1
That was very well answered.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
Thank you. I'm going to press you on a little bit.
- Speaker #0
Sure.
- Speaker #1
Because Biden administration.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
Come on in, man. 10 million people, four years, you know, and there's, there's some bad people that came in the country. Them, get out. Right. I'm like all, all, I'm all for, if you are, you know, if you've done. bad things in your country and there's even pending litigation for it. I don't care. Get out.
- Speaker #0
Right.
- Speaker #1
But the other stuff, I'm like, I'm full disclosure. I'm a moderate right guy, but also I'm Gen X. Like I grew up with Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill, who was a speaker of the house. So they fight all day and then get together at the White House at night and have beers.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
And talk about stuff.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
My, you know, and full disclosure, my stepdaughter and my daughter. They're posting anti-ice stuff, you know, on their Instagram stories. And I'm like, have you sourced out what you're sharing? And a lot of the stuff you're putting out there is not true. Yeah. And so I guess my question is, it's either one way or another, is what you're seeing online or in the news. And it's not, it can't be that, it's not that way. It just can't be that way.
- Speaker #0
You know, I think that's the frustration that everybody's having right now. And then so somebody, someone like me coming from Canada, where we're just used to getting the news and then moving to the United States. And then really, like, I switch channels and it depends on which one I'm watching. And it's just like that same piece of news is skewed in such a different manner. And I would really consider myself to be like an independent person where I'm like socially more liberal because. I really don't care what people do in their homes and their bedrooms. I never have understood why people care so much. But, you know, I think that it's one of those things where I would like to think that the large majority of Americans fall in that middle line and would love to be able to see it come back somewhere in the middle as well. And I think that we went so far this way previously where, you know, the pendulum swung and we. we went so far this way. And I think that if you have the ability to evaluate without any kind of bias, you would notice that neither of those have worked out very well for us or are working out very well for us. And so I think that, you know, it's going to take, I mean, my personal opinion is I think we need someone who's not 80 years old, you know? I think someone who's just younger, someone who's like just not pushing this envelope of like just pushing one side or the other or the extremism that we're seeing, you know. And I think that most Americans would agree that they do want people to come here correctly, that they do believe in legal immigration and that they would definitely support immigration reform. You know, I don't think anybody wants to open borders, but I don't think anybody wants the. you know, individual who's been a law abiding citizen here for 20 years, cleaning homes, you know, just and paying their dues, getting picked up and held in a detention center for months either. So I'm hoping that, you know, what we see here in the near future is kind of a swing back to the middle.
- Speaker #1
I hope so. I hope so, too. Man, what scares me is that you've got, I mean, Trump is Trump. He's going to do his thing, man. He doesn't give a shit. He's just no filter. This is, you know, lame duck candidate. I mean, or presidency. He's done after this.
- Speaker #0
I mean, he's, you know, he's 80-something years old. So he's like, what do I got to lose? Yeah,
- Speaker #1
what do you got to lose? And okay, I mean, whatever. But the challenge I see, I mean, I've watched a political game for years. The frontrunner right now in the Democratic Party is Gavin Newsom.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
His state is a shit show. Yeah. And yeah, he looks great. Yeah. And he says he knows exactly what to say. Yeah. But if you peel back the layers about what he's done, there's nothing there. And all the Democrats do is, you know, yell and scream and hold up stuff in Congress like they are right now and filibuster and all that stuff. But hey, Chuck Schumer, instead of bitching. Yeah. Come up with something different. Give us a platform that we can get our because there's, I think, so many people, moderate or independent, that would go to that if there was just something that made sense that wasn't pandering to political to PACs and the lobbyists and everything else going on. It's awful.
- Speaker #0
Honestly, I think the issue is it would take people actually speaking up against certain things on both sides. You know what I mean? And then most politicians are a bunch of pussies. Like, let's be real, you know, I'm not even sure if I can say that, but you can, you can. So, and it's just, you know, they basically just follow what they're, they're told to do. And I was having this conversation with my boyfriend and I was like, the whole thing with the Trump administration that just blows my mind is I know some really, really smart people that voted for him, you know, and my whole thing is just no problem. You voted for him. I completely understand why. And they had very valid reasons for doing so. But if you can see the current state of what we're dealing with and you can see, you know, the economy, immigration, everything that we're looking at, and you're still like, you know, yeah, he's the best president ever, you know, and like. I just I have never been the type of person to just be able to follow someone blindly and just be a sheep, you know, and that's really and it's just so I'm seeing all these smart people that you would think have the ability to think for themselves because they have businesses. They have all these different things going for them because a lot of people like to point to the fact that a lot of Trump supporters are like, you know. uneducated or this or that. And I was like, no, I think it's about like there's a big variety in there. So I'm just like, I find it so hard to believe that these people are just so easily manipulated and just don't have the ability to think for themselves or at least say, hey, I voted for this, but what's happening here, I don't agree with. You know, it's like it's almost like an all or nothing thing is what I'm trying.
- Speaker #1
I think a lot of people are tired.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
And keep in mind At least 50 Muscat did a thing with X. They figured out that when he bought X, when it was Twitter and he turned it into X, 50% of the comments were bots.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
Right? So you've got North Korea, Russia, China, bots coming in and controlling the social narrative. Yeah. I know for a fact as a 30-year person in social media and been posting on TikTok for years, they control the social narrative.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
There is pieces of content that I will post on TikTok that will get flagged and doesn't get flagged on any other platform.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
Fuck you, TikTok. And it's even worse now that we bought it, which there is still coding in there that the Chinese are looking at everything still. Yeah. Just because it's now it's not on short. It's still but that's controlling the social narrative is so many people are Getting their news, you know, in these quick little bites.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
And a lot of it's not even real. And that scares the shit out of me and scares the shit out of me for my kids.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
That that's where they're getting their news from and they're sharing it and doubling down on that content.
- Speaker #0
Yeah. And because most kids are not really watching the news. No. But honestly, I don't know if I really support watching the news because half of that is not even. It's not the CBC. It's really just, it's opinionated, you know.
- Speaker #1
They're both. I can't. I can't take either of them anymore.
- Speaker #0
No.
- Speaker #1
Both of them are just way it's way too much. Yeah. And so I just try to filter through it. I mean I have friends in politics that I talk to them a lot about what's going on and confidentially. Just like, hey, what about this? And is this really happening? And what about this? And I get decent stuff that way. But to watch I mean Fox is always breaking news and the crawl in red. You're like, oh, come on. And MSNBC is just as bad on the other side. And again, as someone that's older, that's been through, Trump is not the best president we ever had. First of all, if you were around during the 80s and saw what Reagan did, even though a little out there, a little goofy, an actor from California. But the stuff he got done and to tear down the Berlin Wall and Glasnost and Gorbachev, I saw all of that.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
And I was in high school then. And I'm like, oh, my God, the world is changing right in front of me. I remember that. Like, I would say he's a better president than Trump. The Trump challenge is that we are $37 trillion in debt.
- Speaker #0
And adding to it. And adding to it. Yeah. Right?
- Speaker #1
And so, like, the whole tariff thing, like, he's got to, he's thinking out of the box. Yeah. Is what he's doing. I'm all for that.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
But it's like, people hate change. People, Misha, hate fucking change. They can't stand it. And it's like, no, everything will be great. But you don't understand. If we don't take care of this, like, Social Security is not going to be around.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
Like, I ache for my kids.
- Speaker #0
Right.
- Speaker #1
Because I know it's going to be around for me in, you know, 10 more, 15 more years. Yeah. At least it's not going to be the way it is now. Yeah. Like, my dad gets a check. And so, like, take that money, put it in S&P 500 growth fund. and you get a much better return.
- Speaker #0
Yeah, I think the crazy part is, is like I'm all for change. And if the tariffs worked, then I'm all for that as well. It's just like on one hand, we have the tariffs. And then on the other hand, we have Homeland Security spending $200 million on an ad campaign. And then we have... Oh,
- Speaker #1
Christy.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
Oh, no.
- Speaker #0
And then we have, you know... Good old Pete now asking for 200 million to kill bad guys. And I'm just like, it's just, you know, so what exactly what difference are we seeing here where we're just adding like billions and billions worth of debt over here? And I think the reason why people voted for Trump is because they did want change. I think people got very tired of the typical old politician. Just, you know. telling them what they wanted to hear. And I think why people liked him so much is because he felt like someone who is very direct, very unfiltered. And, you know, I think that like spoke to a lot of people, but I think he also said, hey, we're not, we're not going to war. We're not doing these things. And, you know, we're only going to be picking up the people with criminal records. So it's like everything that was promised is now completely turned into something else. So I just appreciate when people have the ability to say that they were wrong about certain things. I very much am. I am far from perfect. So if I'm ever wrong about something, I'd be like, oh, I was thinking it was going to go this way, but it went that way. Things happen, you know. But I think it's just more so what I find very fascinating is the justification. Like people will find a way to justify anything and everything. They will find a way to justify every aspect of the Epstein stuff, which is just that's a whole other topic. We would be here for another hour.
- Speaker #1
That could be part two of our talk.
- Speaker #0
So that's all. It's just like it's a very like for me, it's like almost like a psychology type of study. You know, I feel like there's going to be doctors that are going to be studying this in the future and just being like, you know, it's just almost like how do you just get people to follow you?
- Speaker #1
um blindly and not ask very many questions or it's crazy because it's and then the left takes it and calls him hitler well i don't think he's killed any jews as far as i'm concerned so let's not go there and it's just the extremism right it's left or right and it's again it's for fucking clicks man yeah and you just try to put all this stuff out there on when i first started doing this full disclosure i was guilty of it i would find the most sensational shit somebody was saying i I had my team go, here's a time stance, do this. Now I'm more like. let's just have a conversation. I don't care if the clips go viral anymore. I don't care. I care more about having an open and honest conversation with someone that I like.
- Speaker #0
Right.
- Speaker #1
And that I hopefully earn the right that they're comfortable enough to let their guard down. Yeah. And like we do it now. It happened within the first five minutes with us. Like you don't even know the cameras are here, lights and all that shit. Like you can say someone's a pussy. It's okay. Because guess what, my love? I guarantee you, you'll get more people. looking into who you are and what you do because you're standing for something.
- Speaker #0
Yeah. And that's the one thing I've never been afraid to do. And it's just, you know, I, I feel like at this point, as much as I obviously, you know, would hope anybody and everybody would want to come to me for representation. It's just, I am very stern on what I believe in and what I believe is right and wrong. And, you know, I am very fortunate for my ability to be able to see things from the middle. And I always say every time that there is an election, I'm like, all right, convince me. Why should I vote for you? Which way am I voting and why? And, you know, persuade me.
- Speaker #1
Would you ever run for office?
- Speaker #0
I've been told I should. I don't see that in my future, but I would love, my overall goal in life is to really go into something more human rights based in the future. I would love like an international human rights law type situation, whether I introduce that into my firm or however I choose to do it. I'm just very passionate about that.
- Speaker #1
I want to ask you two more questions and then we'll wrap it up. when did you leave Toronto?
- Speaker #0
I left in 2011. So I had graduated York University. I did my undergrad there. And then I worked for a little bit, did, you know, two, three jobs at a time, saved up money for law school. And then I packed up my car, moved to Michigan and, you know, whatever would fit in there and basically went to law school. And then. Once I graduated law school, I did the exact same thing, packed up my car with whatever would fit and moved to Las Vegas.
- Speaker #1
And moved to Vegas. Yeah. I fell in love for the first time. I was 18 years old at the Sundowner on Lundy's Lane.
- Speaker #0
Okay.
- Speaker #1
In Niagara Falls in Florida. It was just the most wonderful place ever.
- Speaker #0
I know. Niagara Falls is definitely.
- Speaker #1
It was the best strip joint. And I've been to a strip joint now in 25 years. But that was like back then it was. I lived I'm from western New York. Yeah. So south of Rochester. Canandaigua, New York. Shout out to Canandaigua. And it was a rite of passage when you turned 18 because the drinking age in Canada is 18. So we'd all go up. And back then like the exchange rate was like 67%, 68%. Yeah. So you'd get those brown $100 bills. And you'd go through duty-free and that was always the best place for the exchange. And we'd go to the Sundowner and the best beer ever, Bredour. Molson Triple X.
- Speaker #0
Or it's Canadian beer.
- Speaker #1
I used to go up there and apologize for Coors Light. So like the bouncers, they'd laugh their asses off. I'm like, I love you guys. I'm so sorry for Coors Light. But it was magical.
- Speaker #0
I think Canada is I mean it's got so many fun parts. But like especially if you're somewhere close to the border, people tell me all the time like if they live in Detroit or Buffalo, they um so legal drinking age in ontario is 19
- Speaker #1
18 in quebec but like you're able to you know go to strip clubs clubs all of it and gorgeous and toronto is one of the cleanest cities i mean i don't know how it is now but when i used to go no it's still yeah good food we used to go up there super safe it's extremely safe we'd go up to go to the sky dome yeah um because the yankees okay a bunch of us were yankee fans we'd get great seats yeah drink great beer i remember they had carpeting. Like almost like the entire, it's so clean. A lot of the common area had carpeting, not concrete. I was like, go Canada.
- Speaker #0
Yeah, it's still very, very clean, very safe. You can walk, like I could walk around there. I always compare Toronto to a safer, cleaner version of New York City. Just, you know, on a smaller scale. Yeah, it's just obviously incredibly expensive to live. It's very overcrowded. So if you enjoy waiting in traffic. If that's your jam, then so.
- Speaker #1
No, no.
- Speaker #0
It obviously has its cons.
- Speaker #1
But I just, I fell in love for the first time ever with the girls.
- Speaker #0
I love visiting. So it's always going to be one of my. Well said. Yeah.
- Speaker #1
I say all the time, great place to visit. And then I used to say great place to visit, wouldn't want to live there. But all I got to say now is great place to visit.
- Speaker #0
Yeah.
- Speaker #1
Full stop.
- Speaker #0
Yeah, exactly.
- Speaker #1
And Toronto is a wonderful place to visit.
- Speaker #0
Go during the spring, summer, or fall. Winters can get.
- Speaker #1
A little brutal. I remember back, they used to have a ferry that would go back and forth from Rochester to Toronto. And it was called the Fast Ferry. I don't know if they still have that. No, it's gone. Oh, gone. It lasted for like two years. I was one of the rare people. My girlfriend at the time, we went to Toronto for a long weekend and took the Fast Ferry. It was hilarious. It went across Lake Ontario. That's actually really cool.
- Speaker #0
You're a part of history. I didn't even know that existed.
- Speaker #1
I'm a part of history. Please, please. All right. I have one last question. I even wrote this down. Sure. Your Wayne Dyer quote is, if you change the way you look at things. The things you look at change. Yeah. Tell me about the moment in your life when that actually became true for you. Not in theory, but the real moment.
- Speaker #0
You know, I feel like for me, I have always been blessed with an ability to really look at things from a different type of perspective. Like really, you know, that saying when it's like put yourself in someone else's shoes. That's been my. whole life for me. It's just like, I'm always able to place myself in someone else's shoes and view their situation or their perspective or what they're going through from, you know, just basically like I can relate to it. I can understand it. So that was actually one of the reasons why I went to law school was just really like the ability to understand people and then be able to help them from that perspective as well. Because, you know, of course, everybody does it from. financial perspective and I'm not going to complain if my bills are getting paid, but I really wanted to be able to help people on a larger scale. And I was like, how do I do that? And I, and listen, sometimes it's my biggest strength. And then other times it's my biggest weakness because I am also that person who will be scrolling on TikTok. And then I come across like a sad video and I'm like, oh my God. So I don't, you know, I'm very, um, grateful on a daily basis. I wake up very grateful for little things. Today, I was outside with my dog just watching the sunrise. I take little things in. For me, I don't really think that there's been a situation that has really changed my perspective on anything or made me view things differently. I think I'm very blessed to have been born with that and probably instilled in me from my parents as well of just. looking at everyone and treating everybody with like a certain level of respect. And it doesn't matter how much money someone makes, doesn't matter what their race is, their religion is. And, you know, my house was always open to everyone and I've kind of carried that on myself. So.
- Speaker #1
And your daughter will benefit from that. Yeah. Seeing how you treat people, she'll treat people the same way.
- Speaker #0
Yeah, exactly. And I instill that in her and you can already tell that she's, you know, she's definitely turning into a little mini me. So.
- Speaker #1
Who knows? There's room on the billboard. You never know.
- Speaker #0
You never know. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see. There's no pressure from mom, whatever she wants to do.
- Speaker #1
Thank you for coming in. This has been great.
- Speaker #0
Thank you. I appreciate it. It was really nice getting to know you.
- Speaker #1
My pleasure.
