Celebrity Traitors' Finale, New Kim Kardashian Literature, TV Reccos to Boot I House of Gossip | House of Gossip

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The girls are catching up this week on Sophie's new found third eye and Clara's adoration of some Celtic Tiger nostalgia from Sophie Jo Wasson.

Clara has some info on the new book, Citizen Kim: The Woman Who Created the Future by Jonathan Van Meter... a lot going on here. Plus they're recording the day of the Celebrity Traitors Finale so a few notes plus some predictions. Then, hold on to your tiaras, the ladies have a load of TV on their hit list including Mobland, War, East of Eden, Widow's Bay, Youth, Motherland, Nobody Wants This and the much awaited Pride and Prejudice rework by Dolly Alderton.

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Speaker #0
Hello I was actually a bit more Halloweeny than I anticipated.
Speaker #1
That was very wicked.
Speaker #0
Thank you. Hughie's Halloween costume is right.
Speaker #1
What is it?
Speaker #0
All I'll say is there's fringe.
Speaker #1
Should I guess or no?
Speaker #0
You can, I guess we've got to.
Speaker #1
Is he a cowboy? Yes. Oh my God, he's wearing French. He's going to look unreal.
Speaker #0
Detour Sorry. But happy Halloween. Hope you had a good one. Welcome to House of Gossip with myself, Cara Kavna, and the effervescent Sophie Lyons. We are here for your weekly dose of pop culture nourishment and we are giddy to be at this trough of gossip with you because my oh my, do we have some meaty topics to get through. So how are you? So how are you?
Speaker #1
Thank you Clara. So excited to dive into the trough and get dirty with you.
Speaker #0
Yes okay so let's kick it off because we didn't actually do it last week because Hughie took over the show but as he should. Yes as he should. What are you loving or hating from this week? Is it your door or is it your testing?
Speaker #1
It's your door or is it your test? There was nothing immediately coming to mind and then I actually was like a bit more long term. I have a door that I don't think I've spoken about at the trough before. I've gotten so into like you got me into like crystals yes defo like you opened that but I've really just gotten into opening my third eye over the last kind of six to eight months I feel tarot cards I've done a few readings of those they were really good crystals I just feel like my third eye is really open and I'm loving it like very into the phrase the universe has my back and it does It does.
Speaker #0
You just need to let it.
Speaker #1
You just need to let it in. And I was telling someone, the universe has your back.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
And they were like, yeah, I hope so. And I was like, but it does.
Speaker #0
Brilliant.
Speaker #1
Yeah, like very woo-woo itchy. And I'm so into it. I know a lot of people are like, oh, what a load of baloney. I saw a full moon the other night. I put the crystals to charge. And I told that.
Speaker #0
You're such a good prodigy.
Speaker #1
It hangies. I just love it. I want to go to like more tarot card readers. If anyone knows anything in London that like we should be going to.
Speaker #0
Oh yeah.
Speaker #1
Like someone renowned or something. Not to record, purely to go to as a.
Speaker #0
Personal benefit, yeah.
Speaker #1
As a customer, please tell us. I just like, I love it. And that's my adore.
Speaker #0
I'm so proud of you Grasshopper.
Speaker #1
Yeah, I feel like you opened the third eye.
Speaker #0
I want to go through phases of it. Sometimes I'm like, oh, I'm not into it. I am in terms of like, what do I need out of it? But yeah, it is good to be in that realm, isn't it? It's so reassuring, I find.
Speaker #1
Well, yeah, because if you didn't have anything like that, like life's pretty bleak. You know, like if you don't have like a religion or a crystal, what do you have?
Speaker #0
And like, look, I believe in science. 100p. But I also do think there's like things you can't explain.
Speaker #1
100% like serendipity.
Speaker #0
Planetary movements.
Speaker #1
Come full circle. Totally. The full moon. Someone was talking about retrograde.
Speaker #0
Oh, we just, I think it just finished the last Mercury retrograde of the year. And like that 100% affects things.
Speaker #1
Well, sorry, what's the one that when it happens once in your life where like everything...
Speaker #0
Saturn return.
Speaker #1
That, like that's so a thing.
Speaker #0
Say Saturn is here when you're born. And then when it comes back to that place, that's when things just go nuts. It's like basically as you're entering your 30s, it might be in your early 30s, somewhere in that window of like late 20s, early 30s. It's just a real reckoning.
Speaker #1
Yes.
Speaker #0
Because you're figuring out who you are. You have confidence. You've got age. You've got experience. You know what you want.
Speaker #1
And everything explodes.
Speaker #0
And everything explodes. I don't know one person who hasn't had a Saturn return. So you can just blame Saturn for loads of things, basically.
Speaker #1
Well, I obviously have the Pattern app because of you and then I also have CoStar.
Speaker #0
Oh, that's new to me.
Speaker #1
Yeah, I like doing the two of them.
Speaker #0
Hedging the bets.
Speaker #1
I don't go on them every day, but then I just kind of catch up as and when.
Speaker #0
Yeah, yeah. Hi girls, what's going on? Fill me in.
Speaker #1
Thought I'd check in, Queens.
Speaker #0
Where are we at? Status update. Well, yeah,
Speaker #1
because like if something, sometimes something goes on and then I look and it's like. telling me that. And then with the tarot cards, I know someone who's had a tarot card reading last night in a house and the person hosted it and they were in a circle and I was like, can I go to this thing? Yeah, but I don't want a psychic.
Speaker #0
No, I've gone to a psychic before. I think it's quite manipulative.
Speaker #1
Yeah, I just, I don't want, because I feel like I know someone who went to like, is it a medium? But it was kind of the psychic end of stuff. She was asking specific questions, obviously to cure anxiety. And they were like, no, absolutely. This is going to happen. This is going to happen. And I feel like then you're kind of like, cool. And then it doesn't. So where does that leave you then?
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
If it calms your anxiety, I suppose.
Speaker #0
I think it should be more like an open book, not someone telling you what's going to happen, because your expectations change. And then you might close yourself off to something because you think something is going to happen. Like, I do believe people are...
Speaker #1
clairvoyant i love the term clairvoyant yeah yeah i thought it was somebody's name like oh she's clairvoyant no clairvoyant said that wouldn't happen yeah yeah anything like that so if anyone has any anything do let me know i've heard of people getting like a witch on etsy i wouldn't be into that personally yeah because it's like casting spells unless it's a good casting spell like no malice no
Speaker #0
i've heard some witches on podcasts and they're great and One of them said like New Year's shouldn't be in the middle of winter. New Year's should be in spring when all the new flowers come and all the spring has sprung.
Speaker #1
Now that's a clever witch.
Speaker #0
Yeah, and she like suggests like different baths you should have. Like that's my kind of witch.
Speaker #1
Yeah. Sabrina.
Speaker #0
With her trusty sidekick, Salem.
Speaker #1
Salem save her, Egan. Anyway, enough about my third eye. Clara, what are you usually doing or is your testing?
Speaker #0
I forgot his second name. Thank you. That made me really nostalgic. And in the spirit of nostalgia, I came across a girl on Instagram called Sophie Jo Wasson. She appears to be some kind of comedian, actress, influencer-y, kind of funny online person. That's all I know. So she did a 10-part TikTok series about the Celtic Tiger. And what she does is she plays a little game where she's kind of green screened in front of this picture. And the picture is from photocallireland.ie. And you have to guess what the photo call is promoting. For example, there is one picture of a girl. So sorry, what I'm loving this week is what I'm showing this week is just this woman's Instagram has really made me lol in the wee hours of the morning. So say there'd be a picture of a girl in a bikini. on the top of Grafton Street and she's like squitzing or spritzing a little bottle. And beside her is another model with a hat and golf gear on and a big thing of golf clubs. And you're like, what could this be advertising? It's like, there's a beach model and like, why is golf coming into this? How do we join the dots here? And it was for like skin cancer awareness. And I was like, what? What is the golf clubs got to do with anything? And then she has another one of like this woman on a motorbike in a bikini again, like everyone's just in bikinis. And she's not like, she makes a point of like, I'm not shaming the model. They look great or whatever. It's just so doesn't connect with what they're trying to promote. And then this model is on a thing. And then she goes on this quest to find out what this was, why this model was on a motorbike. It was about mental health awareness.
Speaker #1
I need to look at this. This is great.
Speaker #0
why is it it just made me like miss the Celtic Tiger so bad and my favourite one was like Nevin I won't reveal it but like Nevin Maguire is like in his chef suit with like a plate of cannabis and he's beside Georgia Salpa in a bikini that's a name I haven't heard in so long where is she now where is Georgia Salpa how are you feeling Marbella or somewhere I don't know yeah I'd love to know. Remember she was like Ireland's answer to Kim Kardashian.
Speaker #1
Where is she? Lives a private life in Dubai.
Speaker #0
Dubai.
Speaker #1
With her British hedge fund manager and three children.
Speaker #0
There you go.
Speaker #1
She is, wow, she looks very like Kim K in her early years.
Speaker #0
Yeah, she does. But anyway, I... urge anyone if you just need like a bit of a deep dive nostalgia if you want to watch like a series of nostalgia of like Celtic Tiger that era like when you really look back on it it just felt like you know just reminds me of like those Ross and Carol Kelly books and just the ridiculous sort of Irish press. It's just, it's very good. Highly recommend.
Speaker #1
It's also something we can only appreciate after the fact.
Speaker #0
100%.
Speaker #1
Like when we were in it, we didn't get it.
Speaker #0
It was normal to see women in bikinis being like, the lotto is on this week.
Speaker #1
But just like a load of like, you know, uncalculated spending.
Speaker #0
More money than sense. We'll link it in the show notes. just go and have a little bit of a giggle. It's really soothed my soul this week.
Speaker #1
That's great.
Speaker #0
So I've been sinking my teeth into this new book or a biography approved by Kim K, took five years in the making, called Citizen Kim, The Woman Who Created the Future by Jonathan Van Meter. Been drooling over loads of articles about this book. it came out a few days ago and Jonathan was given like insane access to Kim her family and her inner circle for over the course of five years there's a load of bombshells in it so do you want to shall we go through sure sure uh no I'm okay I'm okay thanks next so I'll go through like the major topics cool First one being Kanye West. Now, Kanye wasn't interviewed for the book because due to his mental health over the last few years and Jonathan was like, it just didn't feel right because is he really consenting to what he's saying? Kind of vibe. So he was notably not interviewed. But she has this revelation where they were on a trip in 2018 to Uganda and Kanye got really paranoid and agitated at this remote filming location. And he was convinced that people were trying to drug him. He then persuaded local police to raid all the group's rooms. And a police officer reportedly held a gun to Kim Kardashian's head. One of the producers from Keeping Up With The Kardashians described the situation as frightening and evacuated the production crew afterwards. And Kim kind of attributed it to his bipolar afterwards and said he was just having like, not just having, but said he was having a manic episode. So which gives a little bit more context, I think, to like what she was dealing with the last few years of their marriage.
Speaker #1
Yeah, I'd say some of the stuff that happened was awful. I read that quickly, the Uganda thing. That in itself is traumatising.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
Like having a gun to her head. She's already had that done to her. I know.
Speaker #0
Yeah. That happened after Paris. It must have. Yeah.
Speaker #1
Like that's just absolutely terrifying. I actually saw a clip last night on Instagram. Yeah. I don't know where it was used, but it's him, obviously, when they're still together. But it's when he's obviously started kind of turning into the form of him that she doesn't like very much, where she's like, stop saying stuff like unprovoked. And he says, obviously, one of his comments, like, I don't know what the comment was. And then she obviously was like, here, stop doing that. So he calls her, he's in the car and he has this filmed. And he's like, hey, babe, what's up? And she's like. oh nothing I'm just such and such and then he goes off on this thing being like I was just thinking the way you're not supporting me when I say stuff like I really don't like that and he's kind of going on one yeah and he just calls her in the middle of the day to say it and he's filming it and he's like you know you should be supporting me I'm your husband and it's like he's speaking really fast I think I've seen that clip and isn't it like she's quite aware that she could be being filmed like she's very diplomatic in it I mean I'd say she was very clued in at that point
Speaker #0
Like, you know,
Speaker #1
that's his documentary that he released and he's shouting and she's like, yeah, I just say some of the stuff is just it was horrific.
Speaker #0
I'd say there's way, way more stuff. And I'd say she throws in the this Ugandan trip as a, you know, here's one story. But I think there's so much more. I'd say it's tip of the iceberg.
Speaker #1
Totally. And they had like four kids.
Speaker #0
So, yes. So she said her instincts to protect him from the public scrutiny. is like a big point of the book. And even when she was suffering, but then it got to a point where there's a quote from the book where she says, who am I going to save here? Like, I have to save myself, which is like, it's so sad, isn't it?
Speaker #1
It's really sad because if you look at their early days, like they're just so in love.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
And it's just really sad.
Speaker #0
She talks about, so then her household has a secret lockdown system to protect the kids from when he's like in the kind of life after Kanye, when his... say manic episodes hit the news so how she shields her kids from the media coverage is she sends a message that says lockdown and then there's no television no radio no news occurred events just movies and You can only play music from a phone rather than the radio station that might mention Kanye. But like now they like say North and who's the next one? Saint. Like they probably have phones. So I don't know.
Speaker #1
They all have phones. They're like the little ones have phones.
Speaker #0
Yeah. So I don't know how long that can last. Another story about a weird thing about their marriage was when they got engaged, he proposed with this 20 carat engagement ring.
Speaker #1
Yes.
Speaker #0
And it was engraved with the word Adidas. Just like, why would you put Adidas? Like, are you that obsessed with your brand deal? Or does it... Now, I think if it stood for something else, she would have said...
Speaker #1
Is it the all day I dream about sex?
Speaker #0
I must have thought they must be that.
Speaker #1
That's such a weird engraving.
Speaker #0
Even if that's what it means, would it not be like, love you? The date. The date. Very Kanye. Then another salacious bit was Kim's first husband, music producer Damon Thomas.
Speaker #1
Yes.
Speaker #0
So he allegedly, now this is all alleged, but he showed nude photos of one of Kim's sisters, so Kourtney or Khloe, to Robert Kardashian Sr. Now, if that doesn't cross a weird family boundary.
Speaker #1
Wait, why?
Speaker #0
I don't know.
Speaker #1
I got the impression that they never had a relationship with him.
Speaker #0
Maybe this is why.
Speaker #1
But they obviously did pre the marriage. I got the impression it was very secret and like. So they obviously did have a pre-relationship with him.
Speaker #0
Yeah, maybe they found out about that and were like, you're dead to me. Like, who would do that? What a weird fucking in-law to have.
Speaker #1
That's so strange.
Speaker #0
It's so strange. It's so, like, what is going on? Then.
Speaker #1
Jeez, there's a lot of bomb shells in this.
Speaker #0
There's a lot of bomb shells. So then, did you hear about Northwest Meltdown?
Speaker #1
Oh, no.
Speaker #0
So they talk about. No. They talk about this meltdown of North. Now, Jonathan did write, had like a section written on her and he wrote 10 pages. But then again, was like, no, I'm not going to include it because she's too old to consent. She's too young to consent.
Speaker #1
But also, like, let's be frank here. Kim signed off the whole book.
Speaker #0
True. Exactly. And but they do talk about a meltdown that North had during a Vogue shoot. Yeah, I just I don't know. I just feel like I just feel like poor North. But like including it. But it's how it's told is kind of like. Kim's amazing parenting. So to the best of my knowledge, I think North was eight at this time. North had imagined that she and her mum would be wearing matching dresses for the photo shoot at Vogue. When the outfits weren't what North had expected, she became upset, had a meltdown. Kim took North away from the shoot and the two went to lie down together on a bed. And Van Meter says that they lay together for approximately 15 minutes without talking. Kim held North until she calmed down. And then she had to explain the situation for her daughter. Talking around it, Kim goes, well, that's something my mother never did for me.
Speaker #1
Oh.
Speaker #0
Yeah. Oof.
Speaker #1
That's a bit of a burn. A bit of a burn.
Speaker #0
And it's like, so you're using this, are you using this story to, like, show how good of a parent you are? Are you using this story to take a dig at your mom?
Speaker #1
Well, I think we know she likes telling people what she's good at.
Speaker #0
Loves it.
Speaker #1
Do you remember in the Call Her Daddy thing? And she's like, I'm the mum that they all come to. I'm the mum that all the friends want to sleep over with. I'm a really good, this kind of stuff. And you're like, just show us, don't tell us. Anyway.
Speaker #0
Yes, 100% agree. Because then it calls into question also the book does about who's the real matriarch of the family and how like, lovey Kris Jenner is like, not phasing out, but she's the kind of... the mother that Kim should have had, she's now mothering that to Kylie. And then because Kim is like the real tour de force when it comes to expose, you know, on the Kardashians, she's always pushing for the truth to be told and like not... putting everyone in a good light and all that stuff. So they're saying that, like, she's also a real matriarch of the family. And they talk in the book, then they also talk about Chris's affair with Todd Waterman.
Speaker #1
Oh, yeah.
Speaker #0
And apparently Chris had a major flip out over the inclusion.
Speaker #1
She let it go on the show, though.
Speaker #0
And it's in her memoir. Chris's memoir.
Speaker #1
I read that memoir years ago.
Speaker #0
Yeah, the Hollywood Reporter said that Chris was extremely upset when she discovered that you They included details. Because like, at the, she's the best in my knowledge, the girls all met Todd. So she was like having an affair and the kids knew who he was. I don't know. If I was Chris, I'd be a bit pissed off. I came at the moment. But anyway.
Speaker #1
I don't know. Like, they just know this is going to create so much.
Speaker #0
Do you want to be relevant again?
Speaker #1
I haven't watched the new series and I actually don't have an interest.
Speaker #0
Apparently it's so bad. There's two episodes on one of the, but Baker Barker children getting his driver's license.
Speaker #1
Yeah like normally I'm like I would watch it anyway to see the goings on but like I turned it on and I wasn't like oh the Kardashians are out you know so seeing like the Met Gala and stuff like I love all those kind of things. Some of the stuff I'm like I don't care.
Speaker #0
Yeah yeah.
Speaker #1
But I just turned it on and it was Kourtney in her car talking to her man Simon Huck talking in her car and just the voice and her just I was just like I'm not watching this. like you don't want to be there you're not friends with the sisters it's so weird in this in Jonathan's book they said that like
Speaker #0
Courtney and Kim are wicked to each other oh slap me well we've seen them slap each other on old episodes of Kardashians like it's not that they're like in physical fights all the time but as in Courtney and Chloe like used to be besties and now they don't even talk
Speaker #1
Chloe's in the thing and she's like at the very start she's like no we still haven't had our one-on-one time like that in itself is a tragedy Thank you. Imagine like that being one of your sisters. Like we're both close to our sisters.
Speaker #0
Yeah. I think just fame takes over.
Speaker #1
I'm just like, Courtney, why are you in the show? You're always bitching about it.
Speaker #0
And apparently Courtney would only do interviews with Jonathan while she was filming for the Kardashians. So it was only when she was on like paid time.
Speaker #1
Oh, go home, Roger.
Speaker #0
She's just, yeah. And then, sorry, last depressing. So on that note of trying to talk to people. So obviously Paris Hilton and Kim K go way back. Paris agreed to do an interview.
Speaker #1
Oh yes.
Speaker #0
How many times was it rescheduled?
Speaker #1
I remember being shocked. What was it?
Speaker #0
17. Did the interview ever happen? No. So Paris agrees, cancelled 17 times due to scheduling difficulties. 17 times. Come on. Apparently Kim was really pissed off. And is it in the book? Is it not? Maybe around it. But then now Kim isn't angry from Paris's camp. And then the incident kind of brings up like old irritation of like, Paris doesn't see me seriously. What's that quote? Like Jonathan says it like the creation turns on the creator. So it's like, you know, does Paris validate Kin's success and that she's just so much bigger and more famous now?
Speaker #1
But like, yeah, she does. Like, yeah. Also, I just I have to say here, why is there a book being written about her?
Speaker #0
Because she's the woman who changed the future.
Speaker #1
Like... That in itself is so like, is sycophantic the right word?
Speaker #0
Yeah. And the criticism of the book is that it's too gushy.
Speaker #1
But everything's too gushy with them. It's all this like, it's like salivating over her. They all salivate over her.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
And even the All Is Fair cast, they're doing like a promo tour at the moment, press tour. And they're all salivating over her. It's just, it's so odd.
Speaker #0
Maybe loads of people in Hollywood are dickheads. And then if she's like a nice professional person, people are just like, oh my God.
Speaker #1
But as in the rest of the cast are all like, Sarah Paulson's like great, but they're just all salivating over Kim. It's really weird.
Speaker #0
I think it's just her gravitas and her fame. And then there was other stories in the book where it was like, people would be like, oh, you're interviewing Kim. Like that's ridiculous to Jonathan. Then privately would message him being like, oh, do you think she could promote this brand? So like, I think people are very aware of her gravitas, her power. her pull she has kind of shaped maybe not the future like i do agree with like all her business stuff and how she's basically like famous for being famous and she's turned that into like acting equity firms it's amazing how she's kind of like persevered and stayed relevant and like has this hunger to be the most famous woman in the world you can't deny and i don't think you're denying but like she has such a pull i know that but it's just like
Speaker #1
There's just so many people in the world. Why is everyone talking about her?
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
Like she's not the only nice person in Hollywood. She's not the only good businesswoman. She's not the only good such and such. And it's just like, it's too much.
Speaker #0
It's a lot.
Speaker #1
Like a book would have been better down the line when she's kind of pulled back a bit.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
But it's just like full steam ahead the whole time. I'm just, it's just a bit odd. And they're like friends with Jeff Bezos. Like it's weird.
Speaker #0
For you to be a global person like Kim, it's like you have to be everywhere all at once because There's so many people that you're talking to. And because we're probably overexposed to the Kardashians, maybe we're kind of a bit sick of that story. But like, she has to be in Milan. She has to be in New York City. She has to be in China. Because she's speaking to such a huge, huge, like the whole globe. I don't know. I just...
Speaker #1
I don't disagree with you, but I'm just like...
Speaker #0
It's a lot.
Speaker #1
It's a lot.
Speaker #0
The one omission that has been getting, I'll finish on this, is getting... Critiques is never once talked about plastic surgery. Just like not acknowledging it. So it's like that could be a whole book in itself. But, you know, to sit there and say, oh, I just cleansed my own moisturizer is like they created this whole body standard, this whole beauty ideal. And to not even go near it, I just find that kind of weird.
Speaker #1
You'd have to leave that one with me.
Speaker #0
Should she?
Speaker #1
I don't know. I don't know. I feel like the book's a bit weird anyway.
Speaker #0
But they have marketed themselves on their bodies, all the Kardashians and Kim's the number one. Her whole reason she's famous is the sex tape. And her bum. Like JLo's arse looks like a tiny, like a flat pancake in comparison to Kim's. You know, she blew everyone out of the water with that tush. And it's fabulous. So then like to not say, to not include your body and credit it because it's fucking stunning. To not include that into how successful you are. Like before her, it was like heroin chic Kate Moss.
Speaker #1
But as in still, if you like in real life, they're tiny. They're not these like, they're curvy in a sense that they have boobs and a bum. They're not curvy.
Speaker #0
She's like 5'1".
Speaker #1
They're tiny. Her waist is tiny. She's tiny. So like, yeah, you can say she brought like her boobs and bum into it. But like, it's not like she's like a UK size 16. Like, do you know what I mean? Where it's like, she looks like every woman.
Speaker #0
No.
Speaker #1
Like Sofia Vergara has that kind of body. JLo has that kind of body.
Speaker #0
But to not mention it in your success. I think is a bit nuts.
Speaker #1
But she definitely doesn't want to mention it in her success.
Speaker #0
That's where I think, though, that that's where the curation faults them, because she pretends to be, and she is, warts and all to an extent. But then sometimes there is that kind of guardedness where it's just like they could own. Sorry, I had I gained great respect for Kris Jenner when she said, yeah, here's my doctor, got a facelift. Then it's just like the jigs up. You're like, fucking hell, that's amazing. You look unbelievable.
Speaker #1
Yeah, yeah, I did like that. I agree.
Speaker #0
And I think Kylie had to come out in the last year or two, I can't remember, that she's had a boob job. And it's like, then it's just kind of like, you've got to just move on by. I think to just continually not say anything, I find that.
Speaker #1
There's so many people in Hollywood that have had plastic surgery that would never talk about it either. And I feel like people just expect them to talk about it. Like, I've heard of some.
Speaker #0
True,
Speaker #1
Brad Pitt has had a facelift. Bradley Cooper has had a facelift. Tom Cruise had a facelift. And like, they're never going to talk about it.
Speaker #0
True, true, true. But I think though, when she's like, at the beginning, her body got her work, got her modelling jobs, got her influencer jobs. And then just to not credit it, I find unusual. Anyway, lots of meat on that band.
Speaker #1
That was quite a riveting convo.
Speaker #0
Yeah, there you go. That's Citizen Kid.
Speaker #1
Now, to swap it to something less curvy and more salacious, I want to talk about the traitors.
Speaker #0
Go
Speaker #1
Last night, we're recording this on Friday, so the finale is tonight.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
Last night was a really intense episode. James Acaster was like, yeah, I'm a traitor. Michael Sheen is a witch hunter. Did you ever watch Sabrina the Teenage Witch when your man Brad was a witch hunter?
Speaker #0
Yeah, I'd say Maya was fuming they never killed him and they killed Sharon. He was a dog with a bone. He was fighting for his life. James Acaster, can you be a bigger spoilsport?
Speaker #1
Oh, is that what you think?
Speaker #0
Fed up.
Speaker #1
The poor guy, he was just like, I have to tell you. And he just, he couldn't handle it anymore.
Speaker #0
He should have gotten himself killed. Instead of Amal. Amal would have been, remember in episode one or whatever? Amal would have been a way better traitor. James, stop sitting there pretending to be all honest when you said yes to being a traitor.
Speaker #1
You are so correct. How did I not think like that? I just felt sorry for him.
Speaker #0
I'm sorry. Oh, I'm just here at gunpoint. No, you're not. You could have been murdered. You had the choice. You know all my principles. I've been a faithful this whole way.
Speaker #1
I totally forgot about that. You're so correct. Yeah. Why did he fight for his life?
Speaker #0
Like, I get you're at the beginning.
Speaker #1
I suppose when they're in that turret and they're like, who are we going to murder tonight? If he was feeling it that much, could he not be like, guys, can you kill me?
Speaker #0
Throw me out is like an easy kill.
Speaker #1
I mean, I think last night...
Speaker #0
It's not in the spirit of the game.
Speaker #1
Yeah, it is a game and I think people get a bit too... But I suppose I would get into it too. Like, I think that would happen to me too.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
Like, as in, again, it's for charity, do you know?
Speaker #0
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Joanne McNally was like, tell that to my nervous system. When you're in there, like, it is real.
Speaker #1
No, fair, yeah. Like, it's like a witch hunt.
Speaker #0
It is. And then so when we were talking last week about them shutting down production because James, it's over this night apparently.
Speaker #1
Oh, you can tell. The way it's edited, you can tell.
Speaker #0
It's funny, like they've gotten three traitors but two of those traitors admitted that they were traitors.
Speaker #1
I fully forgot he vied. Vied?
Speaker #0
He fought.
Speaker #1
To be a traitor.
Speaker #0
And this is the problem with the traitors and it's maybe not as bad as the celeb one because there's less episodes but only the dumb survive. All the good people get clipped off. You know, you're left with the dum-dums, like, no offence, Blunty, Leanne, everyone's fucking keeping you around because you, like, you're not getting it. Bash, who thinks he's in Hogwarts?
Speaker #1
Whoa, that is some fighting words you've just said. I don't think I agree with you.
Speaker #0
Like, Joanne's gone. Miranda's gone.
Speaker #1
But Joanne was just playing an honest game.
Speaker #0
Yeah, but like all the, like, the good faithfuls go because they're too clever.
Speaker #1
Do you not mean the mouthy people?
Speaker #0
Well, yeah.
Speaker #1
The ones who speak up.
Speaker #0
like Jerry Hall gone like the good people to watch Ross Kemp gone the kind of the good personalities get either for being loud or whatever but they all get the boot because they have opinions like Sharon like a Poundland princess like what
Speaker #1
a mope I thought you were meant to be funny Glasgow girl she was sulking and it was annoying she was like you can vote me out I can't do the accent she was just sulking like having a
Speaker #0
tantrum in a challenge.
Speaker #1
With Michael Sheen, no less.
Speaker #0
Like,
Speaker #1
why would you do that with Michael Sheen? He is the daddy of the table.
Speaker #0
He is.
Speaker #1
Who would you like to win slash are they different to who you think will win?
Speaker #0
Last week, if you would have asked me, I would have thought all traders would have gotten to the final. Now I think Maya's in a spot of bother.
Speaker #1
I agree with you.
Speaker #0
I don't think she's going to survive.
Speaker #1
Completely agree.
Speaker #0
They can't really murder Michael because it'll bring too much heat on Maya. But... Could you just style that out? Because he is coming for you.
Speaker #1
But she said last night, she was like, it's no use to me killing him.
Speaker #0
Yeah, but then he's not going to sit at endgame letting you through, though. So you're kind of fucked either way.
Speaker #1
I think she's kind of caught.
Speaker #0
I think Kenny will get through.
Speaker #1
I want him to get through. I think he'll win.
Speaker #0
I think he will.
Speaker #1
Slash, I would like him to win. Slash, vocalising, manifesting.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
I think we could work very well together.
Speaker #0
A hundred percent. Let's put it in the ether. Come on, universe, talk to us.
Speaker #1
I think so. Universe has my back.
Speaker #0
So our prediction is Kenny's going to get through. Kenny could win.
Speaker #1
Or Michael if he doesn't get killed.
Speaker #0
Yeah. And his brash it could actually pay off.
Speaker #1
He is so witch hunting.
Speaker #0
He is such a traitor killer. And traitor slayer. But what we'll do is we are going to insert here now our reactions to the final.
Speaker #1
Totally.
Speaker #0
I wonder if we're going to be right.
Speaker #1
Well, well, well. What are my thoughts on the final? I mean I just feel like I've heard Kenny and Maya are hanging out now. And like, I don't think they should be hanging out purely for the fact that he threw her under the bus at the round table. But I am, you know, I think it was a nice win. It was just so explosive, the whole thing. Also, the unclote was a bit nuts. A good few of them weren't in attendance. Sharon wasn't there, if I'm correct. James A. Pastor wasn't there. Your man Rob, I don't think, was there. I don't think Jerry Hall was there. Maya wasn't there. And like Big Daddy Michael Sheen was the only one who sent in a video. But good God, it was just brilliant. I'm just so upset it's over. Also still just putting it out into the ether that Kenny and I would be a really, really cool couple. Also, I saw, I think I saw some Instagram person talking about it. And they were like, can we just all agree that every single celeb who's signing up for it should just say yes. I hereby declare that I'm okay being a faithful or a traitor. The kind of the dramatics about being a traitor, not wanting to be a traitor, I just think was just ridiculous. It's a game at the end of the day for charity.
Speaker #0
Oh, overall, I was kind of gutted that Kenny didn't make it through. I thought they kind of turned on him with no real reason or it didn't really match with how Kenny was portrayed the whole way. And it wasn't even a shock. It was kind of annoying because I was like, what? And then I think when the traders are out of it, like there's no jeopardy for the viewer. It's kind of just like a game for the faithfuls and just seeing their reactions. Although I really enjoyed Blunty's self-saboteur really coming out and just like actual anger painted all over his face was great. Yeah, I agree with Sophie. I think the turnout at Unclothed was so poor and like classic James Acaster, the big old wimp not showing up. I was kind of like waiting for him to have his big debrief for that gamble because they're like podcasting buddies and just feel like we're kind of robbed of that or supposedly all of commitments. So like that's totally fair. So yeah, it did. Something in the air felt a bit like there was a lot of production stuff going on in the background and the edits were kind of clunky. But yeah, we'll miss it now. I just love Water Cooler Tally. Gonna miss it. But sorry, you know the way Joanne left. Did you watch her reaction on Unclogged?
Speaker #1
No.
Speaker #0
Oh my God. Oh,
Speaker #1
I have to watch it.
Speaker #0
It is so good. We'll link it in the show notes if you haven't seen it already. It is so funny. She's just screaming. She's like... Okay, so, and she names the three traders and it's like, no, no, no, no, no, they're faithfuls. And then she's like, Maya, as pure as the fresh driven snow and blah, And she like storms off after all of them.
Speaker #1
I have to watch her.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
Why didn't I watch Uncloaked? I'm so silly.
Speaker #0
It's just, I just don't want to go to bed and it's just like automatically comes on.
Speaker #1
Yeah, you're on the couch as well. No. To finish it off, we've kind of a joint recommend of some TV.
Speaker #0
Bumper Telly
Speaker #1
Reco-Spesh. I'm on Mobland season two. It's up to episode six. I think it might be episode seven today. Very good. Love Tom Hardy. Helen Mirren's excellent in it. Piers Brosnan's excellent in it. It's brilliant. I would recommend.
Speaker #0
Feels like a good midweek thing, like a midweek drama.
Speaker #1
Oh yeah, and it's just like juicy and like, it's just, it's a bit funny. It's brilliant.
Speaker #0
Great.
Speaker #1
And down the line, I am dying to see the Elizabeth Holmes documentary.
Speaker #0
Yeah, so excited. She's so googly eyed. I don't think it's coming out to like mid-November or something because no one thought it would be such a success.
Speaker #1
Yeah, it's like the 20th. But my cousin is in New York and saw it two weeks ago. Actually forgot to ask how it was. But like, I am dying to see it.
Speaker #0
They're saying it could be the first documentary to be nominated for an Oscar.
Speaker #1
Interesting.
Speaker #0
My midweek watch is War. Sienna Miller versus Dominic West. Sky One. Oh,
Speaker #1
I'm dying to watch it.
Speaker #0
It's really good. He's a billionaire. She's a Hollywood movie star. And it reminds me of, like, what went on at, like, the Colleen Rooney Rebecca Vardy case. It's just, it's really like that. It's all the manipulation and, like, the tricks the lawyers are playing on each other. It's really, really good. Loads of little twists. Netflix's East of Eden. I would say, do not bother. Waste of seven hours.
Speaker #1
Oh, wow.
Speaker #0
No, no. Mick read the book, so we were all you Ready to go, ready to watch it. The character who Florence Pugh plays is described on the book as Cathy, the most dangerous woman in fiction. So I was expecting the most dangerous woman in fiction. She's fucking grand. She does one or two questionable things.
Speaker #1
And she reminds me of myself.
Speaker #0
The young me. It's just not worth the time. Widows Bay won all the Emmys. Very good, very spooky. Don't watch it on a Sunday.
Speaker #1
Watch Spooky anyway.
Speaker #0
It kind of reminds me a little bit of like Buffy the Vampire Slayer of like every episode there's like a new baddie. Sharon Horgan's youth. Slow start but actually really enjoyed the last two episodes. Definitely recommend that. And Cillian Murphy's son Aaron Murphy's in it who's also in war.
Speaker #1
I've seen him in interviews. He's darling.
Speaker #0
He's darling. He's so good at acting.
Speaker #1
He's like so like Cillian Murphy. He's really sweet natured isn't he?
Speaker #0
Very much so. And then you As a mother, I've gone back to Motherland. It has a whole new meaning. It's so funny. I've actually just gone back to the beginning. It's just the funniest Sharon Horgan.
Speaker #1
I've never watched it.
Speaker #0
It's really good. Nobody wants this. I'm enjoying, I guess. It's kind of a hate watch at some point. Their relationship is so toxic.
Speaker #1
Is it?
Speaker #0
I just think the whole way through, it's like they never tell each other how they actually feel. They let so many things go. She's really, in this season, it's much better than the last season. She's really leaning into just being like a bit, like a bit of a shit person. A bit self-obsessed and all that stuff. It's actually, it's quite funny. They kind of lean into how, what your addiction is.
Speaker #1
I want to talk about this maybe next week. Is Kristen Bell on Dax Shepard's podcast? saying he was like, I like the way he flirts. I think we need to deep dive into that. I haven't listened. I don't really want to. I'll listen to the problematic clips.
Speaker #0
It's so dark, their relationship is so weird. He'll like flirt with a waitress. And they're like, does that get you all, like get you going? I don't know. It's so strange.
Speaker #1
She must be a bit strange.
Speaker #0
Or like he's like gas lit her into this, thinking that that's all normal.
Speaker #1
I think, but she's the controller. Like she's in the control seat.
Speaker #0
Yeah, we need to do a deep dive. It's weird.
Speaker #1
I don't know if I actually have it in me to listen, but I'll happily deep dive.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
They're very long, his episodes.
Speaker #0
He just got into that podcasting game right at the right time. So then he has this like really loyal following, I think. It's a bit like This American Life, you know, it's these pillars of American podcasting.
Speaker #1
I do quite like what he gets into though, like as in he gets into like different types of conversations. But I don't know, some of the stuff's a bit roll your eyes type thing. Interesting.
Speaker #0
He just feels a bit like unsafe to like. or something I feel like something bad is going to happen about him or like there'll be some revelation but I feel like she's part of it yeah it's a bit witchy actually and then the very last one is the trailer's just dropped or the full kind of launch for Dolly Oldshan's Pride and Prejudice has just been released it's coming out in on the 3rd of December it was a 5 or 6 part limited series she and all her I was watching her on Instagram yesterday her and all the gal pals Caroline O'Donoghue The Lot Emma Gannon all those kind of like tour de forces in the UK kind of writer's circle. We're all at a little screening and a dinner for her at the big lunch. So yeah, what's your view on this retelling of Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice?
Speaker #1
I don't have an opinion, Nett. Why? What's yours?
Speaker #0
I think, one, I'm a little bit like, do we need it? But if Netflix comes knocking on your door, of course, you're going to tell the story. One thing that I'm just noticing from Dolly, don't get me wrong, I am a Dolly. stan everything she says to me is gospel i love her so much i'm emotionally spiritually hopefully one day physically connected with her in a non-sexual way but um i think she's so scared of the austinites or whatever they're called that are going to give out to her that she seems very driven by staying true to the original format and like the script or whatever like in the trailer it says, like you can see Olivia Coleman being like It's a truth universally acknowledged. So it's like, I think she's trying to like tick loads of boxes with the, that maybe is she staying too close to the original text? Like she's never going to give it like an Emerald, Fennell, Wuthering Heights version, obviously. But like how, how can you retell this story when it's one been told so many times?
Speaker #1
Is it still the costume period?
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
It's not modern.
Speaker #0
No.
Speaker #1
Yeah, no, she was never going to take it radical.
Speaker #0
She said in a few interviews where she's like, everyone has their... version of Pride and Prejudice that you resonate with, whether it's like the BBC one, the Keira Knightley one. For me personally, my version is Bridget Jones. So maybe this is like a new generation's version of Pride and Prejudice to like maybe a Gen Z version, because we haven't actually had one. I think the Keira Knightley one was the last one that was made. It seems like it's very true to the text. And then it's like, well, you know, what do you actually, I want to see more of Dolly in the work.
Speaker #1
I'll be honest, I don't think I've ever seen it.
Speaker #0
Did you do it for Leaving Cert or anything?
Speaker #1
I don't think it was Leaving Cert. Like, I think we watched it, but I didn't pay attention. But it was a Leaving Cert. Was it in fourth year or something? And I went away. I don't know. I won't lie to you. I don't know much about it. All I know is Mr. Darcy. And the fact that they wear Empire waists, which is very unflattering.
Speaker #0
It is so matronly.
Speaker #1
Really unflattering. That's all I know.
Speaker #0
Like, I hope it has an edge. My worry is that, like, you want that dolly edge. Because she is like the eternal, even though I'm pretty sure she's with someone now, she is that eternal single woman that we all...
Speaker #1
Oh, she is with someone, you can tell.
Speaker #0
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker #1
Why doesn't she tell us who it is?
Speaker #0
I know, I hate when people like that go private. Me too. It's like, I know.
Speaker #1
I know.
Speaker #0
Everything about you. I know,
Speaker #1
just tell me, I won't do anything with the info.
Speaker #0
Yeah, stop locking me out.
Speaker #1
He's in finance.
Speaker #0
Is he? Yeah. At least it's not Boris Johnson. Remember that rumour?
Speaker #1
We don't know, that's not true.
Speaker #0
Yeah, so I wait with bated breath. But like, it's not going to be like Bridgerton, to be fair. She's not going to give that kind of twist. It's not going to be bodice ripping.
Speaker #1
Bridgerton's shit.
Speaker #0
Because she is like Elizabeth Bennet, you know, the kind of, like, that's kind of like Dolly, her story in a way. So it's like, I just hope there's a good stamp on it.
Speaker #1
I hope that too.
Speaker #0
I think that wraps up all our goss for the week.
Speaker #1
That was a lot of content to watch.
Speaker #0
Thank you so much for listening. We really are adoring being back. You can follow the pod on Instagram at House of Gossip Pod. Follow Sophie at Soph underscore Lions. Follow me at Glyza Cabana. And please get in touch. Tell us what you want us to talk about. Give us your thoughts.
Speaker #1
We got some nice messages about our writing.
Speaker #0
Thank you, everyone. Give us some goss. Send me, I love gossipy reels. So keep them coming my way.
Speaker #1
Next week, can we talk about the UK star who is threatening to kill himself? If. The court case is made public.
Speaker #0
How manipulative. Yeah,
Speaker #1
and it says who everyone thinks it is, and I think it's correct. More on that maybe next week. Oh, I can hear Huey. I don't know, is that Mick?
Speaker #0
Samantha.
Speaker #1
What's he doing, like a little pigeon call?
Speaker #0
No, he loves when you make a turkey noise. He's literally like, because he's so hard to get a reaction out of sometimes, and then the turkey noise, he's like, brings the house down every single time.
Speaker #1
Sorry, when is he dressing up?
Speaker #0
tomorrow goodbye and we'll talk to you next week thank you so much queens