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• Speaker #0

  Hello and welcome back to Hog House of Gossip. I'm Sophie Lyons with the gorgeous Clara Kavna. We are back, our second episode back after our summer hiatus. We had fabulous feedback from our bumper episode last week. We covered everything from the Victoria Beckham documentary, a bit of House of Guinness. What else? We were talking about Nicole Kidman, divorces, Bennifer, Taylor Swift, anything and everything. We also have what we're calling a hog off to bring to you today between Clara and I. I have a rebuttal on one of her opinions and I cannot wait to have it out. Welcome, Clara.

• Speaker #1

  Can't wait to get into the mud with you. A real hog off. We've been sending the best gifts to each other all week of these like enormous hogs.

• Speaker #0

  Just like mechanical pigs.

• Speaker #1

  Flounding around in a big puddle of mud I was like, can't wait for the hog off

• Speaker #0

  It's going to be such a battle I think it's probably our first official hog off I think so

• Speaker #1

  New season,

• Speaker #0

  new us Like we've definitely had debates But I don't think we've had an official Advertised hog off Muddy little hog off So I'm looking forward to it Just in case anyone's looking at any teaser videos I've just washed my hair And it's quite warm where I'm recording So I'm wearing a towel. I'm not fully naked, but that's why it looks like that. I also think this could draw people to watch the teasers.

• Speaker #1

  Yes. It's just getting a little bit more naked.

• Speaker #0

  It's alright lighting as well.

• Speaker #1

  It's great lighting. My apartment, the lighting is so bad.

• Speaker #0

  I think it's this thing. No, it's not my lighting. I think it's this bot you're using.

• Speaker #1

  Oh,

• Speaker #0

  yes. You use him to be like this.

• Speaker #1

  Okay.

• Speaker #0

  We both look way better than we used to.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, this bot is very powerful.

• Speaker #0

  We've loads to discuss, so let's start with our usuals. Do you dooring or do you test? Clara, are you dooring or are you testing something this week?

• Speaker #1

  I'm testing this week.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, me too. Oh,

• Speaker #1

  great. Amazing. Start on an angry note. It's my birthday yesterday and we went...

• Speaker #0

  Go on, Gaza. And I was late to the party.

• Speaker #1

  To be fair, there's so many October birthdays. But we went to this restaurant in Peckham. We saw it on Top Jaw. The food was really nice. It was very seasonal, very autumnal. It was yum. But oh my God, the ambience, like it was so off. They had, you know, these like hi-fi, lo-fi places. So the lighting was amazing. It was like warm and cozy. They had these speaker systems.

• Speaker #0

  Hi-fi.

• Speaker #1

  I think it's like hi-fi sound system, lo-fi atmosphere. So it's meant to be like kind of quiet and vibey.

• Speaker #0

  Sorry, does fi mean?

• Speaker #1

  Frequency, I think.

• Speaker #0

  Frequency.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, okay.

• Speaker #1

  That's all fine. It looked amazing. But the place got really busy. Fine, great, delighted for their business.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, I like that.

• Speaker #1

  But my test is basically the music. They were basically playing the soundtrack to a horror film while you were eating your dinner.

• Speaker #0

  Like music, just music.

• Speaker #1

  You know, all you need is just a bit of ambient or like... Elevator music. Elevator music or just like background, kind of like Ibiza chill vibes.

• Speaker #0

  Or covers.

• Speaker #1

  Yes. And like, it's such a cool restaurant, but it totally... It was so distracting. It actually genuinely affected my experience with the food. There was one bit and it was like, It was like, what? It was so loud in there. It was such, you know, like ASMR is supposed to like calm you down.

• Speaker #0

  ASMR doesn't calm me down. Makes me very stressed.

• Speaker #1

  This was it in the opposite way.

• Speaker #0

  Did the staff reflect the music?

• Speaker #1

  No, they were like pretty chill. To be honest, the service wasn't great, but it was fine. Like we finished our food and then the potatoes came. It was like, well, what am I going to do with this side of potatoes?

• Speaker #0

  Oh, I'll clearly eat the trough.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  I wanted it earlier.

• Speaker #1

  But the whole, the music genuinely just threw me that it was just, it felt like, like at one point it's, I was like, it actually sounds like a creepy little kid is playing a piano. It just made you feel really on edge. And I just, to test, I wanted just a nice relaxing B day.

• Speaker #0

  But music is...

• Speaker #1

  a third of the whole experience I think but I don't want to be shouting yeah just in a busy restaurant with loud music I just and maybe it's because I'm another year older and I've turned into like a grumpy old man but just like can we tranquilo please por favor oh no I'm the exact same okay just

• Speaker #0

  to caveat that there's a pub in Camden and I think it's called World's End it is so disgusting Thank you. Me and one of the girls went in there for like a drink randomly after doing something there and I think it was on a Sunday and I don't think the two of us were in a great frame of mind and we went in there, disgusting and heavy metal rock music with the lights on. I was trying to have whatever the trauma was, I was trying to talk about it, I can't remember what it was and I went up to the bartender, I got a blackjack because I don't really remember it but my friend told me I did it and I went up and I go, here, what's the story? What's the story with the music? And he clearly had put it on just based on his look. And I was like, do you mind putting anything else on? and everyone else in there was in like leather with like horns coming out of their ears you know like it's like can i get a bit of a dell so i can have a cry and i was there in like you know what i mean and i was like could you turn anything one must ask one must i think he did change it to be fair to yeah just um just a bit calmer also calmer also i worked with someone and his wife is an audiologist. And he was saying that the amount more money she's making now because our age group and AirPods, their hearing is completely different to what it would be. And like noise over noise doesn't work. I find that with most people our age now. Do you not?

• Speaker #1

  Yes. And so many youngins are just having conversations with AirPods and it's very like, oh, you're not listening to what I'm saying.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, I don't put my earphones in that much, but he said it's like she's making so much more money because of the amount of earphone situations.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, gosh.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. To bring it to medical. Yeah. My test is I go flopping most days, swimming.

• Speaker #1

  That's Sophie for swimming.

• Speaker #0

  It's where I do all my thinking.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  And it's one of my favorite things to do. I've been doing it for about a year now because I have access. to a pool. A little access. It's not going to Glen Albin. It's not. It's a very nice pool. But people's swim etiquette is shocking. Specifically men. Most of the time, if you're beside a girl, like in the separate lanes, the lanes are quite big. Yeah. So like, you shouldn't be splashing each other. Like that's just, and I don't dunk my head. Right. I do. specifically i am a breaststroke lady okay so gliding along specifically specifically the men in there in this split splashing there is a guy doing it and i get one every like two weeks where i'm like are you messing and i stop and look at him because i'm like you shouldn't be splashing that much if you're a good swimmer you shouldn't be making high impact splashing above the water it's not supposed to happen it is a really bad technique i had one yesterday and just like thrashing and so slow but like a fit guy oh hurry up so i started then kind of moving to the side i have one every kind of two weeks i actually moved recently enough yeah swapped with someone i was like do you mind if i swap because he's just splashing all over oh like the place and the guy was like yeah yeah fine stop splashing thrashing about like if you're gonna swim swim properly yeah if you're swimming properly you shouldn't be spanking yeah Yeah. like it's it's an angle you go in sometimes i think people feel like when they make noise they're like doing it better oh some of the men that go in there wear flippers no no no no and this is a nice pool this is not a glen albin vibe if anyone knows what that is like this isn't your public pool which i think you can do anything in a public pool fair play it's flippers and then he whereas um are you about to sneeze yeah oh it's gone

• Speaker #1

  It's gone. Sometimes when I itch a weird part of my forehead, it makes me sneeze. Really not.

• Speaker #0

  I've been sneezing a lot too.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, it's like hay fever's gone. Anyway, sorry, the flippers.

• Speaker #0

  But they wear flippers, but then they have these hand things that are like, you know those things in Harry Potter when he does that, the something called...

• Speaker #1

  The goblet of fire and he's swimming underground, swimming underwater.

• Speaker #0

  And he has the gills and someone else has the hand things where they're webbed.

• Speaker #1

  No.

• Speaker #0

  They... have these things that they bring and they're like a flat piece.

• Speaker #1

  That's only for outdoor.

• Speaker #0

  I'd argue that's for no door. Why are you wearing that in a nice pool?

• Speaker #1

  But like fair enough if you're fighting a current.

• Speaker #0

  If you're going to be swimming like that, go to a special pool. I think the flippers shouldn't be allowed either.

• Speaker #1

  Like the proper big long ones. They're legitimate. You know the flippers. Scuba flippers. Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And these lads are getting in specific shorts, like almost long bike shorts. Like aerodynamic, like this is a glamorous pool.

• Speaker #1

  That is shocking. But like you're just going up and down and up and down. How boring. Why would you want to make that quicker? Just swim normally.

• Speaker #0

  I think they do it for a show and then some of them get in and do their arm movements before they get in. Oh,

• Speaker #1

  this is an ick-a-thon. Oh my God.

• Speaker #0

  It's so embarrassing.

• Speaker #1

  Sorry, imagine if you were dating a guy and you're like, oh, let's go to the pool like our first flop. And they did that.

• Speaker #0

  Imagine I fell super in love with someone. And then I was like, well, we go to my really nice gym. And then he was like, yeah, OK, cool. And then brought his accessories. They're like hand, what would you call them? Hand spades? Like they're...

• Speaker #1

  Hand flippers?

• Speaker #0

  You almost put them on like gloves on top with like elastics and then it's like a flash.

• Speaker #1

  No, no, no.

• Speaker #0

  I'd say they're expensive too anyway. Yeah,

• Speaker #1

  specially made.

• Speaker #0

  I wouldn't mind but like they tell people off for doing weird stuff and I'm like go tell him off for wearing those accoutrements in my lake.

• Speaker #1

  In my lake and then they're splashing it.

• Speaker #0

  And they can't swim.

• Speaker #1

  So their like wingspan on their hand now is, so they're splashing worse because they've got more on their hand to splash with. Yeah,

• Speaker #0

  it's like they're doing it on purpose.

• Speaker #1

  Like these are grown men with jobs.

• Speaker #0

  And then the big flippers as well. Big boner killers. Lads do this and men do this with like cycling.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  You know, all those things they get into and then they get all the accessories. I don't mind accessories, sorry.

• Speaker #1

  like get the shorts whatever I don't mind but don't bring your spatula is it no or like you know when you see men walking around wearing a helmet but there's no bike in sight that's a big time boner killer with their cleats on yeah yeah yeah sorry you're not in the Tour de France you're commuting pal just it's fine

• Speaker #0

  I had a guy I used to work with who wore his normal clothes and then cleats oh no he would come from the bike room into the office in the cleats bursting red like so sweaty in his normal clothes that he had cycled it and a helmet no he wouldn't change or shower no oh that man has hygiene issues did we talk about boner killers on this podcast many a time I'm sure oh I had we went on holidays a few of us and made a list I should bring them next week do oh my god and then we could get people to send them in yeah oh my god get us on Instagram at classic cabana at sofa underscore lions at house gossip pod

• Speaker #1

  with your boner killers, please.

• Speaker #0

  One of them was when guys were Havaianas flip-flops.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, no.

• Speaker #0

  Like socially.

• Speaker #1

  No. Obviously, I was partial to a flip-flop back in the day. But now having my food scooped into a Birkenstock, especially living in London, the probability of your toes spilling over and touching the ground is so disgusting. With jeans, with jeans.

• Speaker #0

  So a guy I used to go out with, fairly recently wore Havaianas flip-flops never had a pedicure and cropped ripped jeans that he cut himself into like knee shorts like a pedal pusher up to his knee though okay okay oh god what do you mean okay he was wearing like Havaianas in like a bar oh no no

• Speaker #1

  wonder it didn't work out yeah that's ground for divorce there right there and then yeah anyway That's 15 minutes on boner killers.

• Speaker #0

  We'll ask you to send in your boner killers. Please do. We had such a good time on that trip and we would add them in. The same guy actually wore very pointy shoes or work shoes.

• Speaker #1

  No.

• Speaker #0

  I'll send you a photo. They were like pointy. Buckle and all. Without a buckle, they were like lace-up pointy cobbler shoes. And he wore those to work with cropped suit pants.

• Speaker #1

  to show off the shoe.

• Speaker #0

  So you could see his socks when he was walking and he thought it was cool. Someone's definitely going to know who I'm talking about.

• Speaker #1

  That's Jess. That is desperate.

• Speaker #0

  I met him after work before and he walked towards me and like I could see like the sock, the pedal pusher and then the pointed tutor shoe, like the lace-up cobbler shoe. And it was quite early on at that point and I was like...

• Speaker #1

  No, because sometimes you don't see people in their work clothes.

• Speaker #0

  I only told people about it after when it had ended. And they were like, why? Why did you never say it at the time? Because it's outrageous. I don't know why I didn't.

• Speaker #1

  Because you probably knew, like, if I say something now, then I'm not going to be able to date him. So I'll just keep it a secret. Oh,

• Speaker #0

  that was what the whole list of boner killers were.

• Speaker #1

  Anyway,

• Speaker #0

  sorry, we'll move on. But we'll get your boner killers.

• Speaker #1

  Please send them in.

• Speaker #0

  Now, moving on from the accessory. Oh, it's our hog off time. Okay, thank you. Hog off,

• Speaker #1

  hog off. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

• Speaker #0

  I'm shocked that you're feeling this confident because you were kind of late when I said it to you last week. I hadn't watched the Victoria documentary when Clara was giving her two cents. And if I'm being completely honest, I knew she was being harsh. I knew that was the issue. Clara, on the whole, doesn't really like. The Beckhams, she thinks they're a bit of a sham, blah, blah, blah. So I knew kind of to take it, take it with a pinch of salt. I watched it. I watched it over, I think, three days. There's three episodes. What on earth are you talking about? It was excellent. Okay. It was...

• Speaker #1

  You go, you go.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, I will go. I loved that it was mixed with current and past. So you could see what she does day to day. I loved seeing what she was doing, like, in London in her studio and stuff. And you're correct. She does have an excellent creative eye. You can tell she's been very trained with all the lingo she uses.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. Great eye.

• Speaker #0

  Great eye. And it's all very simple and stuff. And I loved that. The stuff with David, I think, is a separate thing. But I love that they went back and forth. I love seeing inside like their house and stuff. That to me now is just fabulous. I thought it was very admirable that she spoke about like her eating and like her school days and stuff. And then also I thought it was really vulnerable the way she was saying she never really fitted in. And then the spice clause was the first time she was like, people are like, you know, you're really funny and you're really this and that. And that's kind of the first time she was like almost accepted. I hadn't really seen her in that light before.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  And then I think when they did after the Spice Girls and she's talking about how to try to fit in and being a wag and stuff. I thought all that was so interesting because I remember that vaguely from when it was happening, when they all went to the World Cup and stuff. And then trying to find her feet in fashion. I thought that was so interesting because she was just like, people are like, who are you?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  And then doing the stuff with Roland Mouret doing like almost like an internship, it sounds like. and then seeing how that grew. And then I loved how honest she was about the company getting out of control.

• Speaker #1

  Oh my God, that was amazing.

• Speaker #0

  When she was like, you know, it got really sort of out of control. And I don't know what the figure was, but it was something like 80k on plants. And I was like, that's the stuff I want to hear.

• Speaker #1

  Sorry, 70 grand on plants and 15 grand on somebody to water them. I was like, if...

• Speaker #0

  70 grand on plan she was like things really did get out of control I was embarrassed she flew chairs from like New York to London oh yeah she goes and I was paying you know globally to ship chairs like

• Speaker #1

  that's the stuff I want to hear when someone says the company was going down do you know what I mean I just couldn't understand why it was failing and then this French another David comes in to save the day and he's literally like this yeah I quite fancied him He must have been like, this is quite easy to turn around because we just chop all these weird expenses.

• Speaker #0

  We just take the planned budget down.

• Speaker #1

  And they nearly spent three million doing up that shop in Mayfair.

• Speaker #0

  Is it still there? Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  I think so. But like that company, her company still hasn't made.

• Speaker #0

  No, it's in the green now.

• Speaker #1

  It made 200k in 2023. They turned their first profit,

• Speaker #0

  yes.

• Speaker #1

  in 2023 no it said the Guardian are saying it needed a cash injection still from David the Guardian have an attitude problem and you know that and that's why you like them David's still investing and Simon Fuller the old manager of Spice Girls of course David's still investing they're still getting cash injections but I think the makeup was definitely turning it around yeah I loved the bit with the makeup my

• Speaker #0

  mum said it's amazing oh I want to try it I saw something like it's like one eyeliner is bought every is it every minute or every 30 seconds I thought it was excellent.

• Speaker #1

  Eve Longoria, Jesus Christ.

• Speaker #0

  Eve Longoria, I love her.

• Speaker #1

  She looks better now than she ever did.

• Speaker #0

  Oh yeah, but I love her like attitude.

• Speaker #1

  She added a good like American warmth. Yeah, and she was like,

• Speaker #0

  and Victoria, yeah, I agree.

• Speaker #1

  It is quite, it is quite sanitized. What annoyed me about it was it's like, Victoria is so funny. Like you see her being really funny on social media, but just this kind of stripped her of that.

• Speaker #0

  But then... Anytime she gives a glimpse of herself, it's either completely created like it's like an editorial thing or it's like a fun snapshot of her being kind of funny. But I thought this was really nice and vulnerable. It was. It was.

• Speaker #1

  What annoyed me was like over three hours. Say the stuff about her weight and like Chris Evans, like weighing her on TV and the papers being like she's still holding on to the baby weight like 11 days after giving birth to Brooklyn. was done in like what 10 minutes across three hours sorry when I must say I watched one and a half episodes so I finished it now like I hadn't watched the the weight bit last week so when I was talking about it but I still think they could have got into way more detail but she does talk about like the control and never feeling good enough and then Eva Longoria adds this kind of I didn't care what I looked like in front of the cameras but like Victoria freezes when they're on her. But it's a little bit like you do this three hour documentary, but you won't give everything away. So it's like stop asking for attention if you're not going to give stuff away it's a but why does she have to give every granular detail away especially when he didn't do it but then don't invite ask for the attention and then be picky about what you give away like i'm just saying it could have been way more raw and it's a bit of a waste of opportunity i it was raw she's not going to spend 20 minutes of three hours talking about the details of her eating problem she's not i just thought like she's a victim of the problem of like the the fashion industry and you know of that like heroine chic era of the 90s and like all that horrible criticism and you know I can't control what they're going to say but I control what I eat and I think that's like a natural reaction if you're getting that much critique but she is also she's the victim and she's also part of the problem because by being that skinny you're setting this weird standard and then like no one's calling out her out and then it's like fully yes men but it was very different time also like Victoria Beckham the brand the clothing brand is not size inclusive They only went to size 16 in 2022 and they've been around for like what 17, 18 years.

• Speaker #0

  But as in that's beyond her documentary that's about stock and units and purchasing units. Inclusivity only came in in the last few years.

• Speaker #1

  It's definitely since Covid. Like she started doing shapewear and it's like you're only doing that because of skims and why do why do these skinny women need shapewear anyway? Even the Mango collab she did. that still had only small sizes and people were given out about it for lack of inclusivity and that was in 2024 last year.

• Speaker #0

  But H&M always get called out for their variation of sizing.

• Speaker #1

  I went onto her website and the highest size they say she goes up to an 18 but I looked at a load of things and 16 is the only size they do it's the highest size and I'd say that's a small 16.

• Speaker #0

  But 16 I think is the average woman in the UK.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah but like that's the highest they go.

• Speaker #0

  This is beyond the documentary that we're talking about.

• Speaker #1

  but I just mean yeah fair do you do you rethink no well sorry I really really really loved the last episode with the fashion show

• Speaker #0

  I thought that was thrilling oh it's the rain the kind of like fuck we're up all night the buzz of that was amazing and I think her holding your man's hand you know like the event manager yeah yeah yeah I thought that was really nice sorry the model who's shivering I was like get it together yeah they put her in the marathon tinfoil she's like I don't know why I'm shivering.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, you're fine. But I thought that was like really exciting. And oh,

• Speaker #0

  it was.

• Speaker #1

  I just think it was edited badly because you had great content. But like the first episode is quite tough to get through. And people have no attention spans that like all the action was in the last episode. So to compare it to David's, their personal like narratives. David's is a shared success. You know, his wins were England's wins with the football. You share in his victory because. You remember the pub you were in when you watched it, like for the David fans. You know, you remember all the moments that he brought football home. With Victoria, unfortunately, her success is her own success and her just getting richer. So I think, yes, it is like, we'll always celebrate men more than women. And there's other factors as well.

• Speaker #0

  Also, she was on a team, which was the Spice Girls.

• Speaker #1

  I know, but we don't really hear about the Spice Girls and she spends most of the documentary trying to shed her past. So I just think there's... I think you're more sympathetic to something that is, with David, like it's a shared victory. Whereas with her, it's just like, we're watching you get richer. But in saying that, sorry. Okay, just going back to like the money and the business failing and like David basically bankrolling her. Because he's kind of known for being a bit of a stingy bastard. Is he? Like he's very penny conscious.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, is he?

• Speaker #1

  Rebecca Lou said. So not only was he cheating on... Victoria with Rebecca. He was cheating on Rebecca with other people when he was in Madrid with other women. She said this in many interviews. It's in the House of Beckham book. And I've said this on the podcast already. She got the massive ick when they were, they went out for dinner in some restaurant in Madrid and he didn't tip. And the waitress comes over and is like, was there a problem? He was like, no, no, no. She obviously goes to the papers and it made like news, like he didn't tip for like a 300 pound bill. He didn't tip and then he had to go back and then really tip the restaurant. And all those leaked emails, do you remember? You know, he's a fucking... Oh, love that. Like, you know, he's a UNICEF ambassador. But part of the reason he didn't get the knighthood, because he only gave like the bare minimum of what you could donate.

• Speaker #0

  But he also did the Qatar Cup.

• Speaker #1

  Yes, exactly. Like, all he wants is money, money, money, money. So it just kind of surprised me in the Victoria documentary where he's just like... this basically can't continue. I'm not continuing to bankroll you. And so then that's what she brings in the other investor. And I just kind of felt like throughout the thing, she's like, I'm really worried. David's like, I'm really worried, but no one's saying anything. And like, he's still bankrolling her now, not to the same extent as he was. Even at the end of the documentary, when they're sitting by the lake and they've just kicked footballs around their little cotswolds place. And like, she's there frozen being like, I'm just so ambitious. And I'm like, I really want this to work. And it feels like, you know, you're my investor and I'm trying to impress you. I don't know. And I was creepily watching, not one kiss. So she's definitely stronger with him. If they divorced, her business you know it's like much harder for her so I just don't know they are not together and sorry to finish that documentary was just edited wrong they should have put all the no one has an attention span they should have put the fashion show at the beginning or made the fashion show the movie and done the the bits back it was just too long it was more filler than killer

• Speaker #0

  And it should be all killer now filler.

• Speaker #1

  I don't really know about what to say about the result of the hog off because you haven't changed your mind and I haven't either. I think we'll have to meet in the middle.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, I guess so.

• Speaker #1

  Let the viewers decide.

• Speaker #0

  I'm glad I finished it though. And if you are struggling with it, I think that the last episode...

• Speaker #1

  Struggling with it? It's not. It's not King Lear for the junior search. Watch it. It's a great watch. Now, moving on. That's enough. That's enough. that's yeah Clara went too far was my note celebrity treasures I have gotten into it properly I am loving it Celia there was a wailing challenge last night I honestly haven't giggled at live television like that in a long time. I was sitting next to James and I couldn't stop laughing and he wasn't enjoying it. And I was like, this is golden television.

• Speaker #0

  So basically, they had to, one of the challenges was they had to replicate these banshee whales and sing them down a well and then the other team had to guess. But Celia went so, what's it?

• Speaker #1

  Method.

• Speaker #0

  Method.

• Speaker #1

  she did it so even watching it this morning i was like oh my god we'll have to put it up when we put this episode up because it's honestly if you were suffering from some kind of breakup yeah you're having a personal problem watching that would help you 60 yeah oh do you see the way they were all like hunched over at the well laughing at her and she was just screaming like a cat i love also i love the rugby guy i think he's joe

• Speaker #0

  Joe Marler. Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  I really like him. I think he's funny and he's totally seeing what's going on.

• Speaker #0

  But he doesn't have the confidence to convict. Like the night before he voted for Kate.

• Speaker #1

  He does. He was like, there you go, big fella.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, but he's not persuading anyone and you think his mullet is so stupid but he's onto something but he doesn't, he can't corral. He has no influence. Like he's so, that big dog theory is all him. But he can't convince anyone. That's a problem.

• Speaker #1

  I'm very upset about Claire Balding.

• Speaker #0

  I know, but she played it wrong.

• Speaker #1

  But she didn't.

• Speaker #0

  I don't know. Yeah, she could have.

• Speaker #1

  I think your man Mark needs, I don't know who he is. And I, did you see Alan last night when he was imitating Mark's reaction to Claire? Oh no!

• Speaker #0

  He's digging his own grave. He's too passionate.

• Speaker #1

  Did you see what he was doing? Oh, no.

• Speaker #0

  He's acting as if people are actually dying. Like, it's just, you know, take a breath.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, it's very funny. Who's the other guy with the hat and the beard?

• Speaker #0

  Joe Wilkinson. The guy with the red hat.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  He's got a Jesus energy.

• Speaker #1

  I don't have much time for him. The little fella. Who's he? The smiley one.

• Speaker #0

  Nick?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, no time for him.

• Speaker #0

  He was in Ted Lasso. He's not getting much screen time. Charlotte Church. Like, I feel like I haven't seen the most. the most of her. I kind of want a bit more of her.

• Speaker #1

  Her arm tattoos are bonkers.

• Speaker #0

  Snakes. I know. There must be a reason behind that because she's wearing a snake necklace and then has snakes around her wrists. So, traitor snakes.

• Speaker #1

  It's something to do with her spiritual retreat. No? Do you know that retreat?

• Speaker #0

  The Dreamery, yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Classic. You remember the name. I obviously didn't.

• Speaker #0

  Yep.

• Speaker #1

  This will come out on Tuesday. If you need something to get you through, like October, for pure laughs. watch this. I've never watched it and I honestly couldn't be more delighted I'm on for the ride. It's great. Especially last night.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. And Jonathan Ross is getting way too big for his boots now. They're so bad at the game. Jonathan Ross only got two votes. Hello. He's so obviously a traitor.

• Speaker #1

  He's good at deflecting though.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. He's a good hate watch. Like his clothes are so annoying.

• Speaker #1

  and he does it on purpose Stephen Fry an icon oh my god he's such a treasure I love him he is a national treasure for the UK isn't he yeah does he have an OBE he must he must do he must be a sir but I love how Claudia was like

• Speaker #0

  Stephen's got his head in the well so cute it's like we must protect him in all calls it's a great series I can't wait to watch that thing again oh it's brilliant watch it if you're not it's so funny yeah it's a great series I must say oh

• Speaker #1

  Dying to chat to you about this. Kim Kardashian on Call Her Daddy.

• Speaker #0

  Yes. So she did a one hour, 43, 33 minute interview, which is so generous with her time.

• Speaker #1

  And to your point, it could be sped up by 1.5%. She's very slow at talking.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. Yeah, I listened to it on 1.5 because I should have done that. We were recording at a certain time and I was like, shit, I thought this was just going to be an hour.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, I should have done that.

• Speaker #0

  But the vocal fry can definitely be sped up. At 1.25, you'll be fine.

• Speaker #1

  Gosh, the information in it is insane. Very dense, Rich. Namely the... Kanye stuff like all that stuff is bonkers she talks about like the one of the big reasons she like had to end the marriage and divorce him was just like the instability and the not knowing and she gave this example and I actually listened to it twice because I was like that is so terrifying she said like after he had his first like she calls it a mental break she's like they had like five cars in the driveway and she'd come home and they'd all be gone yeah the way she's doing like impersonating her reaction is almost like a little girl she's like oh wait we're Where's my car?

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  And it is kind of like childlike. It's really sad. And then she's like, they were just all gone. He gave them to his friends. And then it happened again.

• Speaker #0

  And I'm sure that was like the safest example she could give. You know, I'd say there's way more other stuff. And it's not about the car. It's about the like state of mind.

• Speaker #1

  And how frivolous the decisions are.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Like just completely goes off on one. And then the kids, he hasn't. She said when he calls for them. He hasn't called for them, she said, in a few months. Like, that is so sad. And she said all her kids have copped on now.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  I remember seeing interviews of her, like, maybe two years ago, and she was just like, you know, I'll just keep them off the internet. And, you know, they'll always have the best memories of their dad. And then she's kind of alluding to the fact that they won't have that now because they're, you know, kind of conscious of what's happening and they kind of get it.

• Speaker #0

  Well, it's hard because he's, like, talking badly about them online. So it's like, you know, she can do her best to protect them, but when their own dad is saying stuff.

• Speaker #1

  about them it's just like oh I wonder is he going to do anything or then just hear the bit about the party go on you know it was someone's party and then she was like you know we said we would do a party and you wanted to do your separate party yeah so then we said we would have ours at 12 and yours at four and then you went online yes and started saying all this stuff via your assistant stuff and she's like that's just not what happened it's so sad it's

• Speaker #0

  so sad and I'd say since that Kanye documentary came out and all those clips, I'd say Kim was like... I need to come out and say something. And she said it in a very balanced way.

• Speaker #1

  I'd say this was recorded before it though, no?

• Speaker #0

  She could have known it was coming out maybe?

• Speaker #1

  Oh, definitely, yeah. But I'd say it was probably recorded maybe a month ago, I'd say.

• Speaker #0

  But she still was very like balanced because she was like, you know, your dad works away all the time. He's always living in different countries. Like, you know, she's still very like kind about him. And it's like, I never saw my parents when they got divorced talk badly of each other. I've wanted to press send so many times. And now I just can't. like I just won't do that and I just think she still was able to say her side without kind of really dragging him bashing him and I thought that was quite it's like a difficult thing to balance very elegant okay there was definitely bits you know an hour and a half is like long yeah some of the bits were very self-indulgent when I was like oh Jesus but yeah I loved some of her answers to some of the stuff and I think she does this on the Kardashians as well like you can ask her anything and she'll just tell you sometimes the answers Cheers. I think at one point after the Kanye stuff in the middle she's just like you can't be this good at everything you can't like run all these business empires and she's like I love my kids there's everyone in my house I'm the best mom ever and then I'm running skins and I'm doing my law degree that's the thing where she goes I am the mom that everyone comes to that I was a bit like are you telling yourself that that part I was just like I kind of dropped off at that point yeah but don't get me wrong like I was like absolutely hooked to it. But like sometimes the Kardashians show does this as well where it's like Kim you are amazing you breathe in and you breathe out and we cry but the majesty.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah where they salivate over her.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. She does veer into that. It's like there's no way you can do there's enough time in the day for you to do all this stuff and it's okay that you don't. But I did like what she said about like North and North being in the press all the time and then she was like oh you know I'm a single mom.

• Speaker #1

  raising a preteen it's hard if she wants to dye her hair blue and spend all day in the music studio you know it's like that was very funny she's like you know and she's going to be working in the music studio yeah it's like that is so not relatable I loved when she was like I don't know how much my hair and makeup costs and she gave a roundabout figure I was like that's the stuff I love between one and five million she's like yeah and then she was like I don't know how much milk costs I was like this is the stuff I love to hear who did you think she said

• Speaker #0

  a partner that cheated on her fairly recently who it's Kanye it has to be because she said they weren't in the healthiest place and they told me after ah a rebuttal I think it's Pete what's his not Pete Wentz what's his name Pete Davidson

• Speaker #1

  I think it's him because he went to rehab after he saw her and I think he was made I think it was him oh interesting yeah good I like that one yeah and I love her manifesting

• Speaker #0

  You know, you know, she has like an empty wardrobe for this man to come in and she kept saying like my person,

• Speaker #1

  my person, I loved that.

• Speaker #0

  They won't be afraid of my story. You know, other people have been afraid of like my ex and what they'll say.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, my person won't care.

• Speaker #0

  And the way she's gotten her like custom wedding dress already made and it's art or like designed. I don't think it's made.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, yeah. The Mugler one. Loved all that. I thought it was brilliant.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, so you'd love her to meet somebody just like normal. I love how she's like, no, he's going to be a lawyer or like somebody not flashy, not an athlete, not a rapper.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, she's clearly learned a lot of lessons. I really liked it. I think it was a really good watch.

• Speaker #0

  It's really, really good. I just love it. That's what you want. Like, oh, yes, she breezes over some bits or like it's like super positive.

• Speaker #1

  But she answered it for the majority. Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  And like all the challenges, like that prank they played on Chris saying like TMZ had a story and then Chris thinks she's crying. But she's actually just laughing.

• Speaker #1

  Kim, what? I'm so sorry for Chris.

• Speaker #0

  She's a proper momager. She played ball.

• Speaker #1

  Alex Cooper, sometimes I'm like... You know, sometimes she's a bit like, if the interviewee is saying something and then she goes, I love how you're just like, no, I got the receipts. You know you got the receipts and it's like reinforcing their behaviour. That bit wracks my head. But she does ask good questions.

• Speaker #0

  She does. Yeah, yeah. And I think that's why so many people go on her because I'd say they're all like pretty clear. Also,

• Speaker #1

  Kylie Jenner is definitely not going on there.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, yeah.

• Speaker #1

  You know, and she's like, I want to come. It's like you would never answer any of those questions.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, but I don't know. And then Kris would answer half the questions.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. Oh, speaking of Kylie Jenner.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, yes.

• Speaker #1

  She's doing something bizarre.

• Speaker #0

  In a nutshell, it's something like a 10 or 15th birthday of the Lip Kits.

• Speaker #1

  10.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, she's gone retro into the... King Kylie Snapchat era. So she released like a song and a music video on Snapchat. And the video got a bit of backlash because it's her being interviewed by these policemen and they're like, you're the baddest bitch in town. And she's like, so what if I am? And it's very like nonchalant Kylie. I don't really care. I don't want to be here. But then she like walks out of prison and like Chris collects her and it's getting the backlash because like of all these ice raids and like there, here's this young white woman. getting arrested but walking free where like loads of people in America, like Trump has,

• Speaker #1

  you know,

• Speaker #0

  all the armies have gone into big cities in America and are arresting people. The ICE raids are arresting loads of people. So it seemed a bit tone deaf.

• Speaker #1

  What's the point of it though?

• Speaker #0

  To celebrate the lip kits or something. I think they're launching a new range.

• Speaker #1

  But is it like her single they're saying?

• Speaker #0

  I think she's singing a bit on it.

• Speaker #1

  And they keep calling her, she keeps calling herself King Kylie.

• Speaker #0

  But yeah, that's back to that blue hair Kylie does.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, and then she's going to like her where she used to hang out at that age. I find it very, I don't understand the.

• Speaker #0

  I think there's like a nostalgia, Gen Z nostalgia that maybe we just don't get.

• Speaker #1

  I feel like you shouldn't have nostalgia from like eight years ago.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Nostalgia should be from like early noughties.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, true.

• Speaker #1

  And she's like going to one of her old hangouts. I don't know. I don't. Yeah. It's very strange.

• Speaker #0

  She doesn't have much charisma.

• Speaker #1

  No, no, no, no. She doesn't. Also, speaking of strange husbands, would you have something on Kevin Federline? Sorry,

• Speaker #0

  just going to whistle stop this because I think we should be finger on the pulse. This is a news story that's going to evolve. But fucking Kevin Federline is publishing a memoir that's coming out on the 21st of October. Oh, when's that actually? Sorry, that's... Oh my God, it's coming out today on our release day.

• Speaker #1

  Oh.

• Speaker #0

  Don't worry, I have all the highlights. It's called You Thought You Knew.

• Speaker #1

  Terrible title.

• Speaker #0

  And it's... promising to reveal his side of life relationship, specifically his marriage to Britney Spears.

• Speaker #1

  Hang on. Sorry. It's only going to be about that. Exactly. What else would he have to say?

• Speaker #0

  A hundred percent. Bear in mind the timelines here. The two kids are now over 18. So somebody needs their fucking alimony. And he was getting like millions from Britney and her estate. Hello. This is just such a gaslighting cash grab. Anyway, so the controversial claims about Britney in the book. So some excerpts have come. Excerpt is such a weird word. have come out with these allegations saying that Britney drank alcohol when she was pregnant with the kids, she used coke while breastfeeding, that she once watched their son sleeping holding a knife, that she cheated on him with a female dancer during a tour. She's come out with a public response saying she's accusing him of gaslighting, spreading white lies and profiting off their past and this is just a bit questionable given that the child support obligations have ended. And fucking betrayer sister of the century. Oh. Federline is also saying that Jamie Lynn sent letters to Kevin's current wife, praising them and blaming Britney for their children's suffering. Hello, Britney's fucking bankrolling them. Why is Jamie Lynn getting fucking involved?

• Speaker #1

  That doesn't surprise me about Jamie Lynn. She's very strange.

• Speaker #0

  No. And like Kevin cheated on his ex-wife with Britney. So it's like he just seems like such a skis.

• Speaker #1

  Where does the line go from like telling your story to like defamation? I wonder.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  He's also definitely gotten some work done on his under his eyes.

• Speaker #0

  Sorry. He has so much filler. You can't open his eyes. And he's so like it's weird tanning glow. His skin is quite... And he's still wearing those stupid oversized hats.

• Speaker #1

  What do you think he does day to day?

• Speaker #0

  Like spends her money.

• Speaker #1

  Is he still like a choreo... Oh no, he was a dancer.

• Speaker #0

  He was a dancer. He's just a fucking cretin. That's why I want to spoil the book here so nobody buys it and he makes no money off it.

• Speaker #1

  I wouldn't be buying that. Or reading it, for that matter.

• Speaker #0

  What a disgusting man. Like, it's just such an obvious cash grab. And he's been like... oh, I'm doing this because I care about Britney. It's like, no, your fucking paycheck is finished and you don't want to get a job.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, 100%. I'd say he had a few offers, like book offers.

• Speaker #0

  Rage!

• Speaker #1

  I finished House of Guinness.

• Speaker #0

  And?

• Speaker #1

  I don't know what anyone's talking about. I really liked it.

• Speaker #0

  Great.

• Speaker #1

  And then I was kind of reading the reviews and they were like, oh, like it's depiction of Irish history and it's like Irish critics don't like it. Specifically, apparently. Specifically, apparently. The Guardian was saying. they don't like the depiction of Irish history. Fair enough. I don't know. I thought it was good. I thought it was like theatrical. I thought it was like moody and dark.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  The scenery's good. I thought the acting was really good. James Norton, I think, is so good in it. His accent's so good. And it ends on a cliffhanger.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, season two, perhaps.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. And it's been approved, apparently. So I think we just need to...

• Speaker #0

  Give it a bit of tiempo.

• Speaker #1

  Everyone needs to calm down sometimes. Yeah. I liked it.

• Speaker #0

  I must give it a go. I'm a lot of spinnaker plates at the moment telly wise and it's just down my list. I'm watching Big Brother so that's a huge commitment that kind of wipes anything. It wipes all my other commitments because then I have like seven traders. I don't have any time. Yeah and then I have like you know the the joint watching then my personal viewing. It's like it's a lot.

• Speaker #1

  And then you also have a job.

• Speaker #0

  And then I have a job.

• Speaker #1

  And at the end of it all I have a job. Before we go, I'd love to hear what you think about Victoria's Secret.

• Speaker #0

  I know nothing.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, I just saw that it was returning and I saw that there's a viral clip.

• Speaker #0

  The fashion show.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. And there's a viral clip of Bella Hadid going down the runway in these wings. And they're like, she looks so dizzy, like she's about to fall over. And she does.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  And then your one, Amelia Gray, you know, Lisa Renna's daughter.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  I saw a quick snap of her doing it. She's wearing like a backless red glitzy dress. and like a g-string and her full bum it like drops below her end of her bum the dress oh like her full bum is it i know a full moon yeah they're trying to be more woke etc i think etc i think it will be i think it usually airs in like november but it's funny because it just is they used to be like remember when it was our when we were teenagers how unreal it was i know and they just can't keep up and i'm okay with them not keeping up i'm like keep the the sense yeah it's like oh we're size inclusive now it's like you're already doing that but like keep the smells and like pajamas like i'm okay with that it doesn't have to be like yeah it's not but just the brand in general where they're like we're having trans models and now we're going up to a size such and such and all this kind of stuff it's like but that's not your brand no

• Speaker #0

  stay true to your they should lean into the nostalgia a bit more like you know it feels like they're just They're doing it because they're like other people said we have to rather than the brand actually wanted to. Oh,

• Speaker #1

  100 percent. 100 percent.

• Speaker #0

  It's very fake.

• Speaker #1

  I think it will air in November, but there's some clips going on. Interesting.

• Speaker #2

  We'll see. We shall see.

• Speaker #1

  I just don't think it's like a coveted thing like it was to be in it anymore. Also, I saw Trip. You know the CBT drinks?

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Trip had a sponsored thing with, is it Alessandra Ambrosi? And she's backstage holding a trip. Great. It's like a full ad. I was like, that's nuts. yeah I know

• Speaker #0

  I think they're English this is why I thought it was so weird oh yeah wow yeah I'd need a fucking whole mountain of CBD to get me down that runway oh my god yeah you would wouldn't you yeah the fucking stress of that none of them drink water beforehand yeah it's like it's so unrealistic they like fully dehydrate themselves I'd say a terrible atmosphere creating such a horrible uh standard for women

• Speaker #1

  I agree now Do you have a recommendation?

• Speaker #0

  I have one and I'm going to go into a little infomercial.

• Speaker #1

  Go on.

• Speaker #0

  This here, this little bottle of joy is a serum. It's quite an earthy scent, but it's from a company called Karmic. And it's run by an 85% women-owned company.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, I thought you were going to say an 85-year-old woman.

• Speaker #0

  An 85-year-old woman. Karmic with a K. Thank you. Karmic with a K. Yeah. And it's Ancient Indian Skin Science. I also have their sleep jelly. They do a sunlight serum and a moonlight serum. I have the moonlight and I put it on at night time. And honestly, I've only been using this since... for six weeks now look how little of the bottle is gone and I've been like drop letting it obviously my Instagram algorithm but it's you know the way like Southeast Asian or Asian women just have the best skin oh yeah this female-run company have created these products and it's all like castor oil jubba jubba oil it's all the it's all organic it's all vegan and I've never noticed such a change in my skin than I have with this stuff and I have tried believe me pre-wedding last year I was trying anything and everything and all the retinoids, blah, blah,

• Speaker #1

  blah. You were a science experiment.

• Speaker #0

  Their sunlight serum is meant to be just as good as a retinoid, but I don't actually think there's retinoids in it. But it's very like rebalancing, retexture, such, I've never felt such a glow. It's not too expensive.

• Speaker #1

  That was like an infomercial now I watch.

• Speaker #0

  Moonlight serum, karmic.

• Speaker #1

  It's also very shaman energy.

• Speaker #0

  It smells like a shaman. I'm not going to lie. It doesn't smell like a Lancome or a...

• Speaker #1

  Like the facts, it's called karmic.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. And it does smell quite earthy.

• Speaker #1

  Like a warlock.

• Speaker #0

  It is, yeah. Like it's, I got one for my mum and I gave it to her and she was like, ooh, yeah. But it means they probably don't put perfumes in it, which is good. It's very woody. But yeah, if anyone's looking for a bit of serum-y joy, karmic.

• Speaker #1

  I love that. I'm going to look it up.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, it might just come up on your Instagram algorithm. That's how I got it.

• Speaker #1

  Warlock serum.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. Shaman skincare. For one.

• Speaker #1

  For one shaman.

• Speaker #0

  Me.

• Speaker #1

  Clara, thank you so much for that hog off. That was great. We see you didn't change your pin.

• Speaker #0

  We're still at loggerheads. Our horns are still at tangles.

• Speaker #1

  Loggerhogs. Thank you all for listening. We look forward to hearing about your boner killers and any topics you want to discuss. Shoot us a DM at classiccabana at sofa underscore lions at houseofgossippod. We'll see you next week. Please watch The Traitors and don't buy Kevin Vandeline's book.

• Speaker #0

  Ta-ra.

• Speaker #1

  Bye.

• Speaker #0

  I miss saying ta-ra.