Winning at the highest level is not built on balance, comfort, or convenience. It is built on obsession. In this episode, Matt Weaver and Max Fisch discuss the relentless journey of winning in the mortgage industry, highlighting the most powerful lessons they extracted from their time with Tim Grover, renowned personal trainer of Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade and many more of the most iconic athletes in the world. They dive into Grover’s unique perspective on the true nature of winning, explaining why pain, pressure and obsession, when properly channeled, becomes the defining edge of elite performers, and why the most successful originators learn to embrace discomfort rather than avoid it. This conversation challenges listeners to examine what they are truly obsessed with and whether that obsession is building a business, a life, and a legacy that elevates everyone around them.

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