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• Speaker #0

  Welcome to Secret Identity. Today, I am Eden Crow. I am your host, your friendly neighborhood. I was wrong about this show, Spider Troy Bond. With me is not the guy in the chair, the one who had the spider senses to know this show was going to be great. Ah,

• Speaker #1

  ah, ah,

• Speaker #0

  ah, ah,

• Speaker #1

  what's up? Fred Birnbaum here, on the record, calling the show.

• Speaker #0

  being great you said i was crazy you didn't say that and i was not the only one slater harrison also said it too what a great intro bring it down with you and the surrounding fucking boat i can't go down alone on this yeah that was listen yeah your friendly neighborhood spider-man we watched the trailer together when it came out we both said oh that looks rough i will go on record as saying uh this is a top three spider-man show of all time oh yeah we made a clip

• Speaker #1

  and put it on our instagram so if i was wrong there the receipts would have been there yeah but you were right you put a poll on the instagram it was like how many people think this is going to be good and you all all of you true believers said it was going to be bad how does it feel to be right about it feels amazing it's never happened before well

• Speaker #0

  i should say i was wary about it then i watched the first two episodes and i said this is this is actually surprisingly really good and then we watched all three episodes last week and then brent went home and he was like we gotta do an episode about this so i'm like three four days later i was like yeah i'm catching up he's like i'm caught up baby i was like this is certified you what did you watch it all the way through once brent or twice no i only watched it through once but yeah i might watch it again it was good it was it was so freaking watch x-men twice but i might watch this twice and The whole time I was watching, I said, Brent said this was the team behind X-97. That's why this is so good and you're friendly.

• Speaker #1

  Brad Winterbaum, yeah. It wasn't like Bo DeMayo who did X-97.

• Speaker #0

  He don't work no more, Shrek.

• Speaker #1

  That's true. That's why X-97 season two is probably going to suck. Yeah,

• Speaker #0

  it's probably going to be bad, Shrek. Cyclops is probably going to get defeated for it, Shrek. It's like he did in Secret Wars.

• Speaker #1

  Guys, I think we are in a new golden era of comic book animation. Yeah. When you think about the shit that's being put out there right now, X-97. The Spidey show, Invincible, and that new Batman show with Bruce Timm, Cape Crusader.

• Speaker #0

  I have not seen it yet. I'm going to watch it now after watching this.

• Speaker #1

  It's really good. It's not the animated series. It's not quite as good, but it's a very cool subversion of what they've done before.

• Speaker #2

  Okay, now we trust every opinion you have.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, let's...

• Speaker #1

  I got one word for you guys. Abstinence.

• Speaker #2

  It helps you think clearly.

• Speaker #0

  He's shooting webs in new Kleenex. I think why the, the Cape Crusader show had a hard time with fans because it was always being compared to the animated series, which is an impossible task to do. Young justice was very good because they weren't comparing it to the justice league. This show I think stands out because there's not really like a animated series comparison to a Spider-Man show. You have a 90 show, which is like, okay, I like it for nostalgia reasons, but it's not that good. No. Um, I'd like the Ultimate Spider-Man show that came out, mainly because a lot of the plot points in it were adapted from Dan Slott books, even though a lot of fans didn't like it. Or Marvel's Spider-Man I liked. Ultimate Spider-Man was the Drake Bell one.

• Speaker #1

  I didn't like that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was not very good.

• Speaker #0

  And Neil Patrick.

• Speaker #1

  The one with Spider-Man's a predator.

• Speaker #0

  Spider-Man's a predator, and he only speaks Spanish for some reason. Probably because he can't work in New York anymore.

• Speaker #1

  That's such a demon.

• Speaker #0

  His name is Peter Campagna. You know about Drake Bell? Drake Bell can't work in the States anymore, so he moved to Mexico and he goes by Drake Campagna because he was a predator and did some shady stuff. But then Quiet On Set came out and he's not a predator. Yeah,

• Speaker #1

  it's true. It's terrible what happened to him, but he still did what he did.

• Speaker #2

  Beating the pattern.

• Speaker #1

  Exactly. Hurt people hurt people.

• Speaker #0

  Great power comes great statutory. Drake Campagna. Campagna.

• Speaker #1

  I'm sure Josh Peck loves answering those questions.

• Speaker #0

  Josh Peck is probably he's like I gotta put my ozempic on like I gotta Josh Peck had a great line that cracked me up he was like I was your classic child actor I was on everything except skates and I was like that's a great line that is a great line surprisingly really funny on his own even

• Speaker #1

  after he lost the weight yeah sweet fat people are funny Seth Rogen not as funny anymore great actor he's just a little pot

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. And then he was in that, uh, uh, Tommy Lee and, uh, Pamela.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. He plays a bad dude at that.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. He was really good at that.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  Well, cause fucking Tommy was being a dick to him and he was like, well, I'm going to steal all your stuff. He didn't know what was on the tape.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  He had to wait. He had to wait until it, uh, you know, he put it in a VCR and hit play. So he didn't know what he was taking.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, but he still sold it.

• Speaker #2

  It might have been labeled, though. Well,

• Speaker #1

  Seth Rogen even said that. He's like, this is a bad guy that I'm playing. Yeah,

• Speaker #2

  I'm not defending this dude. All right, we're not talking about Seth Rogen.

• Speaker #0

  Speaking of good guys, what characters are in your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man? We'll go on to the character, and then we'll leave this open for discussion. I love it.

• Speaker #2

  I'm excited, man.

• Speaker #1

  First off, we have Peter Parker's Spider-Man. He is a teenager who acquired his spider-like abilities, strives to balance responsibilities as a high school student, and a budding superhero, very similar to the Spider-Man we see in the MCU, except for one major change. Instead of Tony Stark being his mentor, it is Norman Osborn, a genius industrialist who takes Peter under his wing, offering him mentorship and resources. It's a divergence from his traditional villainous role, because we don't see him... as the Green Goblin yet. Yet. No, they said it.

• Speaker #2

  Green. Green.

• Speaker #1

  Green. And his motives are not altruistic.

• Speaker #0

  No, I even, I loved that episode where he did the great power line and he said, comes with great respect.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. Said,

• Speaker #0

  oh, that ain't the line.

• Speaker #1

  And they start playing Aretha in the background. Why don't you,

• Speaker #0

  maybe, I don't know, R-A-S-P-E-C-T. Find out what it means to me. My son might be gay. I'm not really sure.

• Speaker #1

  What?

• Speaker #0

  No, I forgot.

• Speaker #1

  I'm not even on this show. That's another great animated show. I'll try. That's another great animated show. Dr. Chaos. They say we're the new Nick Cage and Ben Mendelsohn. That is what they've been saying.

• Speaker #0

  Man, I assume Nate's right there. He's out surrounding us. Right here with Omen.

• Speaker #1

  You really adopted the dark.

• Speaker #0

  I was born. I am dark.

• Speaker #1

  No.

• Speaker #0

  This character was very slapped. I said Al Pacino should be, or Slater was like, Al Pacino has venom. He's like, hey, we're venom. That's because she has Gwen Stacy. Where's Carnage? Where's Carnage? You look at Clay's, you know, we like brains and chocolate. Because chocolate and brains got the same chemical in it.

• Speaker #2

  Nice, Spidey. Yeah,

• Speaker #0

  Spidey looked like a nice spider.

• Speaker #1

  It would be funny if when he was, uh. Eddie Brock, he was like old Pacino. And then this dude, he's like, never go against the family, Peter.

• Speaker #0

  Can you one thing, God? There's Peter Parker. I want you to take him out of the picture. You're going to whack him. He's not good to God. I don't ask you for a lot, God. I said, please don't make a Godfather for you. You did a good job on that one. I appreciate you. One more favor, God. One more favor. I want devil's advocate too. Two more favors.

• Speaker #1

  Electric Boogaloo.

• Speaker #0

  Electric Boogaloo. Devil's advocate toy. Electric Boogaloo. Nice horsey. A gun you run, a knife you charge. Gun you run, knife you charge. Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  I need that. I need him.

• Speaker #1

  I need it.

• Speaker #2

  Dude.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  The last one sounded like Denzel the Laugh. Yeah,

• Speaker #2

  it did.

• Speaker #1

  Yay.

• Speaker #0

  Pete, you know I'm surgical with this shit, Pete. You think I'll put this all in term program for Pete? Young motherfuckers will be doing science projects in Midtown High.

• Speaker #2

  Oh, wow.

• Speaker #1

  Excellent.

• Speaker #0

  Get wet, Pete.

• Speaker #1

  Next up, we have Harry. He's Peter's best friend, Norman's son. He's a social media influencer.

• Speaker #0

  Also wearing green.

• Speaker #1

  Also wearing green. Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  One family can only afford one thread of hair.

• Speaker #2

  He had many renditions before they landed on what he looked like.

• Speaker #1

  I saw that.

• Speaker #2

  In the post-credits.

• Speaker #1

  Because he looks like the original Harry, like, just race-swapped, and then they gave him, like, the better look.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, Norman, too.

• Speaker #1

  Norman, too.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. They incorporated it because, like, in the comics, that's how Norman's hair always looked. Oh. And they always said Norman Osborn got waves, and now they made him black, which I thought was so cool. Yeah,

• Speaker #2

  no, he was dope. Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Coleman Domingo, crap.

• Speaker #0

  I didn't even know it was Coleman Domingo. He said something, and then I was like, there's no way that's Coleman Domingo in every single episode. I'm like, this guy, this guy,

• Speaker #1

  fuck. Well, because they asked him about replacing... Dafoe? Not Dafoe. What's his face? Kang.

• Speaker #0

  Oh,

• Speaker #1

  really? Majors, yeah. And he was like, no, I want to do something different.

• Speaker #0

  i'm gonna do my own thing that's smart you don't want to take over someone else's role in the situation like a guy like coleman doesn't have to do that because then they're just going to always compare it i always have said i think marvel probably kicks themselves every single day for that post-credit scene in ant-man where every version of kang was jonathan majors They have to hate themselves for doing that.

• Speaker #1

  They're like, we could have had just like one.

• Speaker #0

  One of them could have been it. Yeah, John Krasinski was Reed Richards. And Pedro Pascal is Reed Richards. How many Lokis were there? They were like, we're Kang. Let's just put Jonathan Majors to work for 12.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, that's right. They had Richard E. Grant as Loki.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, and then what's her name? Sylvie was Loki. Loki. Motherfucking crocodile Loki.

• Speaker #2

  Crocodile. Open your top. Oh,

• Speaker #1

  she's the only copy.

• Speaker #0

  I fucking love low-key. Low-key. I fuck with low-key.

• Speaker #1

  He's good.

• Speaker #0

  He's fucking leaving the department. The guy fucking Rescoe be the villain and then they did a fucking screen test with Loki and Thor. They said he gotta be the main fucking character there. Oh, he's alright. That's why fucking Rescoe didn't die in Captain America 1.

• Speaker #1

  Loki, I'm an orphan now.

• Speaker #0

  Loki,

• Speaker #1

  I'm an orphan in your 40s.

• Speaker #0

  Hey, Loki, I'm an orphan in your 40s.

• Speaker #1

  That's it. That is the Rashmere.

• Speaker #0

  I'm an orphan in your 40s. Loki, I'm an orphan in your 40s. So the other day I was in, fell out, right? And then my wife, she said she took her vagina out and had it in the sink. And she said, when you're done with it, just rinse it out. I'm Super Spider. Super Dave Banner. Oh,

• Speaker #2

  wow.

• Speaker #1

  That's full of deep cuts. Oh,

• Speaker #2

  damn.

• Speaker #0

  So you guys,

• Speaker #1

  here's Super Dave Osborne.

• Speaker #0

  I'm going to build this portal technology. We're going to see something that's probably Venom.

• Speaker #1

  My dad would love that reference if he watched this podcast.

• Speaker #0

  Mine would not because he doesn't watch it.

• Speaker #2

  We'll have one dad supporting us.

• Speaker #1

  Please get my daddy to watch it.

• Speaker #0

  Out of all the dads who saw us live, yours was the only one.

• Speaker #1

  He was the one.

• Speaker #0

  You can see the three of us live March 21st at Broadway Comedy Club. I don't even think I told Bernie he was on that show.

• Speaker #1

  yeah nice Broadway Comedy Club the Trinity and me get your tickets below continue dude there's like a big poster view at Broadway yeah it's like legit yeah new new stuff they used to have like

• Speaker #0

  Rosie O'Donnell for his soul Rosie O'Donnell Tracy Morgan Carrot Top and um fucking Robert Klein that's yeah was Roseanne

• Speaker #2

  I don't know.

• Speaker #1

  No. No, I kind of nerded out when I saw the Robert Klein one. I like that. I was like, that's pretty cool.

• Speaker #2

  Pete Davidson is still in the bathroom. And all it says is, thank you, Pete.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, there's a poster. I was at the shows. Pete, Ricky Velez, Matt Reif, and someone else was on it. And I saw them put it in the bathroom. And I was like, wow, I'm getting old. Yeah,

• Speaker #2

  well, no, it's good. Because it's right where they belong, you know? Pissing on them. Pete and his no tattoos, little fucking newborn. You seen it? Yeah. We got rid of all of them. Brett's like, yeah, I saw it. I saw it. I did more than see it. He's like a naked Ninja Turtle now. Anyway. Oh, I didn't even notice you were wearing Ninja Turtles.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  Let's pee right there.

• Speaker #1

  I don't know what you know about me, but I'm a motherfucking TMNT.

• Speaker #0

  TMNT. This empowers Eklund.

• Speaker #1

  I'm scared of speaking up what I'm putting out.

• Speaker #2

  Because that was the furthest off 50 said I've ever heard in my life.

• Speaker #1

  That was the furthest. Or die trying.

• Speaker #0

  I will never respond to Nick Kennedy.

• Speaker #2

  I'll take you to the camera.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, that was one of the best Budok's ever said.

• Speaker #0

  Or die trying. I'm going to open this water to space. Or die trying.

• Speaker #1

  who else who who else is a value i love your character breakdown because it's always order of importance to value well i always i always ask chat gbt i'm like who are the main characters they always give me either characters yeah they'll give you characters that had nothing to do with the story or characters from like a different publisher steve

• Speaker #0

  ditko was peter parker that was another thing i liked about peter's design it was fair it very designs were very much ditko and i liked that because like Those designs are, although I would love to see Tom Holland in a yellow sweatshirt and a blue jacket like the 90s show. I don't think a lot of it translates in live action and animation is the perfect medium for it. And I think that's why animation is kind of killing it right now. To your point of like, we're in a golden age of animation. It's kind of like our impetus for starting this pod where we were like, there's so many movies out. It's all starting to kind of look the same. There's a plethora of source material that they're pulling into the comics. Plethora. Here's a 10. Give me five back. Oh,

• Speaker #1

  plethora.

• Speaker #2

  Put it in the big word. And now.

• Speaker #0

  I think like a creature commandos, which is when I have to dive into, I watched the first two. That was really good. Harley Quinn, Spider-Man, the Capers hater. Like there's a lot of ideas that don't work live action. I E Corey stole Modoc, for example, right. Does not work, but Modoc is a really cool character. There's just a lot of stuff on page that doesn't work on screen, but can work on the small screen in animation. And I think. that they need to put full steam ahead in animation and video games right now because the live action will always, that should serve as the conduit thing that's there that makes people go home and be like, oh, I got to go buy like 500 comic books and I got to buy this video game because I just want to be immersed in the world. It's something you can hold. It's something you own. And then you start to look at the movie as like, okay, that's nice. But like, it was like, look at this omnibus I have, you know, a king in black or something.

• Speaker #1

  Well, it's a great transition actually to our next character because Nico Minoru, who's Peter's best friend in the show, has nothing to do with it. do with Peter in the comics and I'm sure someone will call me out and say well in recent comics they're actually friends but Nico Manaro is one of the runaways so I was gonna ask you a question about that I tell me about Nico I don't know anything I really don't know much about the runaways uh it was it was a storyline that ran in the early 2000s it was much beloved it was all about these kind of young uh heroes that come together they're all the children of famous superheroes but it turns out their parents are actually villains you And they have to take them down. And they're all part of this cult. And they're trying to summon a monster. You ever see Cabin in the Woods? Yeah. Kind of like, yeah, it's kind of like that. How they're trying to summon that kind of monster. And so Nico is one of those characters. She's a Wiccan who has mystical powers. And so The Runaways was a show on Hulu, actually.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, I was going to say, that sounds familiar. And then she was summoning her mom at the end with that people stone.

• Speaker #1

  So she actually does have powers.

• Speaker #2

  Okay.

• Speaker #0

  She's like Raven.

• Speaker #1

  Yes. You know who was in the original Runaways on Hulu was the actor who played Victor. In The Penguin.

• Speaker #0

  Oh,

• Speaker #2

  wow. Wait,

• Speaker #1

  what? So The Runaways was originally a live-action series. Well, originally it was a comic, then it was a live-action series on Hulu. Got canceled. Now, like, Nico got adopted. Oh,

• Speaker #2

  Zach, because she lives in a foster home.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, I know. Oh, wow, you're right.

• Speaker #2

  She got adopted scratch-back.

• Speaker #1

  She did not.

• Speaker #2

  She's not taken.

• Speaker #1

  She ended up in a group home, and we saw what happens there. I watched The Wire. Oh, Randy. Oh, yeah. Oh, Randy. Oh,

• Speaker #0

  God, yeah.

• Speaker #2

  To your point, though, with the colors, though, there was so much, like, yellow and blue. It was so vibrant. He's wearing yellow and blue, then Pearl's in yellow, and Nico's in blue. Well, she's got the blue hair and stuff, lipstick, whatever.

• Speaker #0

  It's bright.

• Speaker #2

  Do we know, well, is Pearl next on your character list?

• Speaker #1

  Next is Emma. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, I didn't include Pearl on this spot.

• Speaker #2

  Yo, because, like, she just came out of nowhere, too, because there's no Mary Jane. Is she, like, the substitute?

• Speaker #1

  I think, well, they said Gwen's coming in next season.

• Speaker #2

  Okay.

• Speaker #1

  They did?

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. Did I not say that?

• Speaker #2

  They set it up perfectly, but we'll get into that.

• Speaker #1

  But yeah, I don't know Pearl from the comics. I think she's a new character.

• Speaker #2

  Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah. They stayed true to the story, but they added their own flair to this, which is why I really liked it.

• Speaker #1

  I agree completely. And that's what that Batman show does. Again, it's a subversion of what came before, except with this next character, Aunt May, who's basically exactly how she's always been. She's hot. She is hot. Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  Ten times Aunt May's hot.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, she was cool. It was, this show was MCU adjacent, but not MCU reliant. And I think that worked very, very well for this. Ooh,

• Speaker #1

  I love that. I love that. Let's find that timestamp because that's a clip.

• Speaker #0

  Well, I think like, just like, everybody knows the story of Spider-Man. You don't need to, I think we're done with the Spider-Man, Batman origins degrees in media now. And everyone. The MCU is sort of in the zeitgeist now, so it wouldn't make a lot of sense. I think this show was originally called Spider-Man Freshman Year, and then they canceled it, and then they brought it back, and then they reworked it differently. They wrote Spider-Man. You're 100% right. And I think it works with them making it MCU, Jason, because people are familiar with MCU. They're familiar with the events like the Sokovia Accords. They know the relationship between Tony and Tom Holland, and I thought that they did a perfect, like when they showed the hangar from Civil War, I was like, this is brilliant how they did this because I don't know. I don't have to go through like, where's Iron Man in this story? Where's Cap in this story? Because that's sort of the problem people have with the Insomniac Spider-Man games. They were like, Spider-Man is taking on Venom. He's taking on Krayma. All these people. Where are the Avengers? Avengers Tower is in the game. You don't see any other superheroes in the game. This solves that problem, explaining to you why there's no other superheroes here. And this is Spider-Man. What the show did so well was Spider-Man being street level, meaning he's people level. He doesn't have to take on. And even like at the end, when you see the space portal, I was kind of jarred. But then I remember like, oh, yeah, Spider-Man's been in place like three times in the last like 10 years. And that never used to happen. I was kind of cool to like be like, oh, he's been on the street this whole time. He had a run in with their devil the whole time, which was very cool.

• Speaker #1

  You make such a great point about how it's MCU related but not reliant. It's basically it takes the Civil War story, but it's that divergence. Instead of Tony coming in, it's Norman coming in. It's just like this new Scott Pilgrim show that came out on Netflix two years ago, which basically takes. The original Scott Pilgrim storyline up until the first fight with Matthew Patel. But then asks the question, what happens if Scott loses? And so then Ramona becomes the main character. And you get like a total remix of the original story. This is what we're getting with that Spider-Man show. Swim in it and make a game. The Pandiverse. Yeah,

• Speaker #2

  they actually did hit all the notes in this. Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Becoming down, Kathleen Kennedy.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• Speaker #2

  Oh my God.

• Speaker #0

  I can't tell you that, but. I'm so glad Dave Filoni is taking over, but I will miss Kathleen Kennedy. I thought she did a great job. Sorry. I won't say anything.

• Speaker #1

  I feel like you're doing ASMR right now.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, I'm not. I'm doing a... I can't hear you.

• Speaker #1

  I'm sorry. You speak up.

• Speaker #0

  I'm very glad Dave Filoni and John Favreau got there.

• Speaker #1

  Can you hear what he said?

• Speaker #0

  Who else we got? Who else we got?

• Speaker #1

  I love this next character, Lonnie Lincoln.

• Speaker #0

  So you called it right away. You said, that's Tombstone. I didn't even know. Brian, I don't think people understand, like, how much of a Spider-Man encyclopedia this man is. You've read from, like, one to, you read all the amazing.

• Speaker #1

  Like, the only character I've ever done that with where I basically read every amazing issue.

• Speaker #0

  from like 62 to 2000 probably the best 1962 best character best run to do that with because there's just so much greatness even more with lonnie uh no he read it he's part of it yeah every he lonnie was part of it when he was too bright has read from the 60s to 2000 that entire amazing room what is that like 480 issues something like that yeah

• Speaker #2

  What?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. Probably 2006, up until when he takes off the mask. That's right. In Civil War, I read all that. Then they did a bunch of stupid shit after. Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  I got time for that. Now I'm 30.

• Speaker #1

  Holy shit,

• Speaker #2

  how did this happen? I started at three.

• Speaker #1

  I'm 15, I'm at four.

• Speaker #0

  Tombstone has power.

• Speaker #1

  There's still time for you. Time to love. Sorry.

• Speaker #0

  It's going on the album.

• Speaker #2

  Oh, it is.

• Speaker #0

  I was like, oh, I just want to make sure I press record.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah,

• Speaker #2

  no problem.

• Speaker #1

  Imagine. We're recording.

• Speaker #0

  We're recording. Tombstone has powers? Is that what that is?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. So in the comics, he originally didn't have powers. And then he eventually does get it with this gas. I'd forgotten about that. But it's because Tombstone's whole thing is he's albino. He's a black albino, but he is albino. And they're alluding to that near the end. Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, we saw that. We're like, his black's coming off.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. Big Don ran out like a bitch.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, dude, fuck that guy.

• Speaker #2

  So messed up.

• Speaker #1

  That guy is always a puss.

• Speaker #2

  His goal was loyalty, and then the first chance of danger, he's like, I'm out. Fuck this shit. Like,

• Speaker #1

  what a coward. You know who that guy was in the MCU? No. He was the lawyer for Fisk and from Luke Cage. Remember the evil lawyer? Oh, yeah. He's just that guy. He's just like, oh, yeah. He sucks.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, man, that's nothing. Sucked.

• Speaker #2

  He couldn't even fight, and he was a big puss.

• Speaker #0

  dude yeah i know yeah he's getting his ass beat scorpion handed scorpion he's like i give up i give up yeah and then he's like too late bitch and then spider-man high schooler had to fucking save him that was sad one of the biggest pathetic it was sad and like this show made me realize how much i was i was talking to slayer about this earlier like they did nothing with scorpion in the mcu and this showed you that he he's a force to be reckoned with and they could have done something really cool great fucking actor playing him michael monday yeah nacho nacho you

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. Better Call Saul, yeah.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, yeah,

• Speaker #0

  yeah. Even though they made him look like all the clones in the Clone Wars show, in this show, I thought he was terrifying.

• Speaker #2

  Great. Why two different color eyes? Was that just like an aesthetic choice?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. Yeah, I think so.

• Speaker #2

  A random creative decision?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. And they allude to his origins, too. They talk about how he was a private eye before he became a gangster, which Matt Gargan was.

• Speaker #2

  Private eye.

• Speaker #0

  Did Jonah put him in the suit at one point?

• Speaker #1

  Jonah really should have gone to prison. Jonah did a lot of evil shit in

• Speaker #0

  Spider-Man. What did Jonah do to Scorpion exactly?

• Speaker #1

  He wanted to create a guy who could take down Spider-Man because he hated him. So he literally financed the operation to turn a private investigator into the Scorpion.

• Speaker #2

  Oh, my gosh.

• Speaker #1

  Jonah was behind it. He was behind the Spider-Slayers, which we saw in Big Time. Exactly, with Alistair Smythe. Oh.

• Speaker #2

  W.W.J.D.

• Speaker #0

  I know that J.K. Simmons is in the MCU now, but Nick Offerman would have been a good J.J. He would have been,

• Speaker #1

  yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Or a good Omni-Man.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, he'd be a great Omni-Man. Although, honestly, what's his name? Could be Omni-Man. J.K.

• Speaker #0

  Be a good Omni-Man, yeah. I think a whole cast could be their live-action character.

• Speaker #1

  Oh,

• Speaker #0

  for sure. Steven Yeun might be a little too old.

• Speaker #1

  He's like the same age as Sandra Oh. I mean, not actually, but they're like maybe eight years between them.

• Speaker #0

  I want to be invincible.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, yeah, you could be invincible, for sure.

• Speaker #0

  Do I look Asian-adjacent?

• Speaker #1

  Oh, yeah. That's a yeah. Well, I don't think he's Asian in the comics. I think that was a new thing for the show. Oh, okay.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. You say kind of.

• Speaker #2

  So maybe a little.

• Speaker #1

  I'm telling you, wait it out. Ben Schwartz is getting old. Plastic Man is going to be waiting for you.

• Speaker #0

  Mr. Gold just got shelved.

• Speaker #1

  Did it? Yeah. It's because, yeah, apparently the writing for it's very, but that's where we should get in on.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  Have your people call our people.

• Speaker #1

  By my people, I mean choice people.

• Speaker #0

  Who else we got on this list?

• Speaker #1

  Oh, yeah, the only thing I want to add about Tombstone is he's essentially the second main character in this. Yeah. Yeah, you're following his journey same time as Peter. It's a total reimagining. Like, Tombstone's much older than Spider-Man in the comics. He's a contemporary of Joe Robertson, who was the editor of The Bugle and was, like, a guy who bullied him. So, like, to make him Peter's age and have him go on this journey with Peter was really cool.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, that was great. He gets kicked off the football team. He's trying to, like, come in and step up for his little brother, which was sweet. You know, like he had his own little character development going. I don't really know much Tombstone.

• Speaker #1

  No,

• Speaker #0

  yeah.

• Speaker #2

  I mean, it's also like morbid name.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  Tombstone? I don't want that to be.

• Speaker #1

  But you see, he kind of likes not having the responsibilities of being the football player. Yeah. He kind of likes being a gangster.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. That's another 50 cents on.

• Speaker #0

  Instead of.

• Speaker #2

  You show you a gangster.

• Speaker #1

  Right. Because that's a much better 50 impression than what I did. That sounds just like 50 cents. Dispense.

• Speaker #2

  Close your eyes.

• Speaker #0

  Die giant.

• Speaker #2

  I'm playing it from my phone. Don't I sound just like it? I also can do music with my mouth.

• Speaker #0

  Or die giant.

• Speaker #2

  Oh, God.

• Speaker #1

  Okay, next up, we have Daredevil. He's not even really in the show that much. I just love him so much.

• Speaker #0

  Service, fan, service,

• Speaker #1

  fan, service. Jingle the keys,

• Speaker #0

  jingle the keys. I love you.

• Speaker #1

  It's all for it.

• Speaker #0

  Who was the sidekick at the end?

• Speaker #1

  Vanessa.

• Speaker #0

  I don't know who that is.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, I was surprised. I didn't know who that is either. I had to look it up. Because his sidekick in the comics, a recent character, is Blindspot. That's fucked up. I thought it was a gender bet. I know, and he's not even blind. Every day he's like,

• Speaker #0

  hey, can we talk about this again?

• Speaker #2

  I'm just like, Samira, we got a whole list of names.

• Speaker #1

  I can go by Braille. Payne, you should see his other sidekick, Deaf Voice. Don't do it.

• Speaker #0

  I was like, now watch this try.

• Speaker #2

  It's just Magneto.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, she was an intern the whole time infiltrating Oscorp, and that's probably how Matt knew about the stuff that was going on when he was trying to stop.

• Speaker #1

  Exactly. There were three interns. There was her, Cho, who's one of the more major.

• Speaker #0

  You said he had some significance. What's Hamadeus Cho from?

• Speaker #1

  He's from the Hulk, so he becomes the second Hulk after Bruce Banner. Oh, really? Yeah, he figures out. I forgot exactly how, but he takes over after Bruce. He's considered the eighth smartest person on Earth. So that's actually a question I have for you guys. Who do you think are the seven smartest people on Earth ahead of him?

• Speaker #0

  Okay. One, I'd say Bruce Banner. Two, Tony Stark. Three, Cherie.

• Speaker #1

  Reed. Reed is also number one in this ranking. So we're basically figuring out who two through seven. Okay.

• Speaker #0

  One, Reed. Two, I say Bruce Banner is smarter than Tony Stark. But.

• Speaker #1

  I've won. I agree. But I've won ahead of Bruce. Who? Doom.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, okay.

• Speaker #1

  So read Doom. Yeah, read Doom. Then Shuri. Read Doom,

• Speaker #0

  Shuri, then Bruce.

• Speaker #1

  Then I'd say Bruce, yeah.

• Speaker #0

  So we got one, two, three, four, five Tony.

• Speaker #1

  Five Tony. Six.

• Speaker #0

  Hmm. Who would six be?

• Speaker #1

  Oh, they also say who seven is. So I know. So we just have to figure out who six is.

• Speaker #2

  Oh, who's seven?

• Speaker #1

  Seven is Hank. Hank.

• Speaker #0

  Hank Pym. Pam, that's what I was going to say was six.

• Speaker #2

  We don't think Dr. Strange is in this one.

• Speaker #1

  He's not like a Jew. He's a mystical master.

• Speaker #0

  He's a sorcerer.

• Speaker #2

  He's a surgeon. He can't be smart.

• Speaker #0

  So would you say sixes?

• Speaker #1

  That's a great question. I'm trying to think.

• Speaker #0

  Not Charles.

• Speaker #1

  Nah.

• Speaker #0

  Not Franklin. Not Hank. Beast.

• Speaker #1

  oh yeah you know let's say mccoy because he's a genius yeah so okay i love that's a great call yeah all right cool so we don't even know we're just guessing and saying we're right yeah no but i i think we're right we have a platform that one i want to google is god i will listen my ipad's dead so i can't google it keeping up with our tradition all right so our ranking don't read read doom yes three

• Speaker #0

  was uh sherry four uh banner five tony six Beast. Seven. Hank Pym.

• Speaker #1

  Eight.

• Speaker #0

  Amadeus Cho.

• Speaker #1

  Cool. I love it. It's a pretty good ranking. Amadeus. Amadeus.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, Amadeus.

• Speaker #2

  What is it?

• Speaker #1

  We said Shuri and look what's happening.

• Speaker #0

  Top ten most famous characters in the Marvel Universe.

• Speaker #1

  Smartest characters. Smartest. Most famous.

• Speaker #2

  Most.

• Speaker #0

  Number one, Spider-Man. Number two, Miles Morales. Spider-Man. Number three, Ben Reilly.

• Speaker #2

  Top 10 smartest Marvel characters. Okay.

• Speaker #0

  Let's see. I think we've nailed it.

• Speaker #2

  Top 10 smartest. Okay.

• Speaker #0

  Top 10 test.

• Speaker #2

  Okay. Oh, Marvel official 10 smartest.

• Speaker #0

  So what do we got there, Paul? uh 10 is t'challa okay nine is amadeus cho we were given poor information eight yeah eight is henry mccoy beast nice yeah seven is riri williams interesting it was a new list six is hank okay five is valeria richards uh four bruce banner three tony stark two reed richards one lunella lunella lafayette What? Who's that?

• Speaker #1

  Sounds made up.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  It's Lunella Larva. The person who wrote this. What is me?

• Speaker #2

  Lunella Trump. Okay, first of all, I want to say, I was a good guy. Came to Trump Tower the other day. Wanted to open a border. I said, you want to open up a border?

• Speaker #1

  How is she not on that list?

• Speaker #0

  She's Moon Girl. She's like a 13-year-old Oh,

• Speaker #2

  that's the question. Our list was a wrap.

• Speaker #0

  No, because that's... Yeah, all right. We're never looking up anything again. I'm throwing up.

• Speaker #1

  I'm sick and tired of them, including Dr. Doom on his lips. On his lips. On his lips.

• Speaker #0

  On his lips.

• Speaker #1

  I want Dr. Doom in blue on my lips.

• Speaker #0

  I was waiting for Travolta. He said your lips. Yo,

• Speaker #1

  you got to save him. You got to filter him.

• Speaker #0

  I don't do lips. I just do dick.

• Speaker #1

  Yo, what was that? My spider sense is tingling. Funny thing about my spider sense is it's located down there.

• Speaker #2

  Like I got one web shooter.

• Speaker #1

  Yo, yo, you're headed. It's not located in my head.

• Speaker #2

  With great power comes a great amount of baby oil.

• Speaker #1

  Yo, I got a place for you to shoot those webs.

• Speaker #2

  Spider-Man, like I got an extra bed at home.

• Speaker #1

  Like, oh my God, he's like a saint.

• Speaker #0

  homecoming what you know it's also weird i feel like webs are like if you have a spider web a cobweb in your house right you just kind of like do this and get it off like i feel like spiderman when he's like choo-choo they like stick and they're like stuck and they're freaking like this and i'm like but your web anywhere just don't web the hair just just be like and

• Speaker #1

  get it off well he made he made it specifically with textile strength

• Speaker #2

  They last, what, an hour? They disintegrate after an hour? Yeah,

• Speaker #1

  that's how Norman figured out, like, who it was, because he's like, only four people could have come up with something so intelligent.

• Speaker #2

  But, yeah, they can rip it off.

• Speaker #0

  But he's only number four,

• Speaker #1

  five? Well, he knew there were four people like that age in the New York area that could have come up with something like that.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, so now we have to go by area code. Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  That was sort of the genius of him in the comics. I was like, I grew up with thinking... I grew up with Toby, so I just thought he got bit and he had organic webs. But it's not until you go back and you read the comics that that sort of shows the prowess of his intellect. Two things that kind of get kind of overshadowed in the MCU is how strong he is and how smart he is. Totally. He built his own web shooters. Yeah. And he also has, what, the strength of a spider, which is ten times his body.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, yeah. When Tony's like, hey, Cap would have leveled you if he wanted to. It's like, no, he wouldn't.

• Speaker #0

  No, he probably wouldn't.

• Speaker #1

  killed him right just like some dude he's like fortune egg inflation where are you from brooklyn queens i hate don't jump out the comes he comes every time you say queens that is america's ass don't say it again he gets all weird and starts smelling it i'm so jealous of you peter because you're so scrawny you don't look anything like me i want to look like you

• Speaker #2

  He could do this all day.

• Speaker #1

  I see I'm being self-deprecating. Please, please take me back.

• Speaker #2

  My son is in white loaded.

• Speaker #0

  Is he? Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  Patrick.

• Speaker #0

  And he's such a little asshole in it.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, I haven't started the new season yet.

• Speaker #0

  God, he's such a dick.

• Speaker #1

  Last two characters. Scorpion, we covered off on him, and Otto.

• Speaker #2

  Otto.

• Speaker #1

  Why did I say Otto?

• Speaker #2

  No, he was like the coolest rendition I've ever seen of Otto Octavius, man. Whoa, I like to keep this sunglass.

• Speaker #1

  I did this to myself.

• Speaker #0

  What was the weird blue thing? Was that just a reflection? Yeah,

• Speaker #2

  it's a reflection.

• Speaker #0

  That's stupid.

• Speaker #2

  I guess Doc Ock got cataracts.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. He's the only character that's exactly the same. It's the same.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, it's the same. Do that. He's getting old.

• Speaker #2

  He's headbundying himself, representing himself in court.

• Speaker #1

  Number one or number two?

• Speaker #2

  I thought he was the coolest. as you said, straight from the books to page, but like, that's kind of how Otto should be. Every time Alfred Molina was the best adaptation of Otto, other than Defoe's goblin, like how to reinvent the character, but the way they did them in the show was perfect.

• Speaker #1

  Totally. He's like, he's ostensibly the villain that they're going up against. And that sequence when like, He's being raided by the government.

• Speaker #2

  That was so good. Oh,

• Speaker #1

  cool. Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  Seconds of Valor.

• Speaker #1

  Oh,

• Speaker #2

  yeah.

• Speaker #0

  That was great. Right. I didn't expect him to get out of there so easily.

• Speaker #2

  Just to get caught by Tony. I know.

• Speaker #1

  And it was like Jaws 2, the way the arms were coming out. Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  I liked Jaws 2 with him sketching the arms up on the jail cell. I mean, the end was very much.

• Speaker #0

  Don't his arms come back to him? Like in one of the.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. Oh, wow. That's from a comic book you read, Ultimate Spider-Man. Oh,

• Speaker #0

  my God.

• Speaker #2

  Wow.

• Speaker #1

  Osmosis. It's working.

• Speaker #0

  I'm no longer severed. I'm full nerd.

• Speaker #1

  Wait, Stacy.

• Speaker #2

  I can't remember. Well, if I had to make predictions, is that the characters? Yeah, it's characters. I know we'll go into the story and everything, too, but if I had to make predictions.

• Speaker #1

  I think we really need to. I mean, yeah. I think we just have to get to the discussion, yeah.

• Speaker #0

  By best scenes. I think the truck chase was dope.

• Speaker #1

  I think we can just dive into the discussion.

• Speaker #2

  What was the truck chase?

• Speaker #0

  With the Russian bitches.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, yeah. Oh, with Rhino? Yeah. That was Travis Willingham.

• Speaker #2

  Who was he?

• Speaker #1

  He's like a famous voice actor, also known for voicing Colonel Roy Mustang.

• Speaker #2

  He was the Rhino?

• Speaker #1

  He was the Rhino, yeah.

• Speaker #2

  I thought that Rhino was one of those characters that they just never get right. They might get them right this time. Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  That was very cute.

• Speaker #0

  And Craven.

• Speaker #2

  Oh,

• Speaker #1

  God. He was Craven-ness, I know.

• Speaker #0

  And it sucks because that actor is very good. I forget his name.

• Speaker #1

  I saw Alessandro Nivola. Yeah,

• Speaker #2

  Nivola. Yeah. Dickie Moltisante.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, shoot. Yeah, wow. That guy's been around a minute. Yeah, he's good. He's just getting the worst roles in everything. Or, like, just the worst portrayal of something.

• Speaker #2

  When the Brutalist, he was also in the Brutalist, and he said, the Brutalist is the top-earning movie this weekend. Craven Hunt suffers 82% drop. And he tweeted, I don't know if I should have a gummy or celebrate. that's how i would solve it yeah i know you combine the two i would say the way this ends is norman is by the end of season two gonna start developing goblin tech we'll have a fully integrated gwen stacy in season two season three he'll be goblin and then he'll kill gwen stacy um we will get like we always do addictees of the sinister six which nobody gives a shit about but they're building it uh stop trying to make the sinister six happen it's not gonna happen never gonna happen it was in one story in the 80s even in the 90s show they were the insidious six in the 80s they weren't even the city they were the sinister syndicate yeah let's keep changing the name and it just keeps getting worse yeah you're like it's not the names problem that judah friedlander is already right you missed it they kept rebooting the hulk and it kept getting worse i think um i i we obviously are gonna get venom or they're gonna keep teaching venom uh which yeah because that little simul yeah i think yeah well you didn't like oh you didn't like the noise i didn't like the noise uh that's what they start like what did you think of uh dr strange uh avengers hand gaming peter into getting the spider at the end with the time jump and everything how to fuck with it yeah i i have perfect self-contained storytelling i love a good time loop

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, it was a nice full circle, which is what Dr. Strange did.

• Speaker #2

  I was going to say,

• Speaker #1

  it was a dab.

• Speaker #2

  That's so in time often, though. Strange. Well,

• Speaker #1

  he's got the time.

• Speaker #2

  Did it happen on purpose? I thought it was when the symbiote hit him, and then he got knocked back, and that's what the portal did.

• Speaker #1

  Well, he had the time stone, so I think, yeah. So I think he didn't mean to go back in time. Yes, I think you're right. Something got fucked up.

• Speaker #0

  Because he hit him in the stone.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. Yeah. The symbiote did it.

• Speaker #0

  Because he just opens a portal without any...

• Speaker #2

  destination yeah it's like a quick subway that well he knows where it's going so he knows that he was going back in time no he probably knew he was going to somewhere in the middle away from i don't fucking care i just gotta get out of here because that's what he's saying the spider-man at the end he was like i went back in time by accident who knows how many people's lives i messed up and he was right yeah he yeah i've heard a lot of lives about doing that yeah but it's also what he had to do but that's what created spider-man yeah oh can i bring up my one beef with the show because i loved it's the fact that when nico finds out that peter is spider-man she's like

• Speaker #1

  you're my best friend we tell we've always told each other everything how could you keep this from me brah you've known him for six months thank you okay you said that you said that too i was like what i thought these people knew each other since like grade school crazy

• Speaker #0

  pills she was like from day one i was like didn't they say one of freshman year that's so lame i've known like i've known like comics

• Speaker #2

  I would consider Brent a day one And we've known each other what Like eight years By most life day one standards That's not a lot of time

• Speaker #0

  Day one of high school What a life ass thing She really had no friends We tell each other everything

• Speaker #1

  First off Ben basically his dad just died He got these crazy powers

• Speaker #0

  What's he supposed to do there They're only in second quarter It's not even Christmas break yet Like you don't know each other. If someone kept a secret from me for just a few months, like I would be like, oh, especially one that big. It's warranted.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. So that's such a good point. Most people don't even stay friends with the people they meet their first semester of high school or college.

• Speaker #2

  Let me tell you a secret that's going to put everyone I love in danger. My Tumblr password is I am Spider-Man 420. Period.

• Speaker #0

  We go way back.

• Speaker #1

  4-20-69. Nico,

• Speaker #2

  what was your last name again? Oh yeah, I'm Spider-Man. Nico, who I have one class with and sometimes hangs out with me after school and doesn't have parents. Yeah,

• Speaker #1

  I'm Spider-Man. So, didn't tell him that she has magic powers. Thank you.

• Speaker #0

  Exactly. That's why at the end she's like, yeah, we'll tell each other everything. And then grabbed her little purple stone necklace. And I'm like, oh my, you're so dramatic, Nico. I know. Get a new name. Get a new friend.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Freshman year.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  You're not even going to be friends when you graduate.

• Speaker #1

  Well, we know Ned Leeds is coming because we saw his name. Like.

• Speaker #2

  Oh, I didn't see it.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, the two names I recognized on the list that Harry was sending, like, hey, sign up for, like, my program. Yeah, one was Ned Leeds, the other was Max Dillon, a.k.a. Electro.

• Speaker #0

  Oh.

• Speaker #2

  I love Electro because that's one of the...

• Speaker #0

  I love Electro. I love Electro. Well,

• Speaker #1

  look at you.

• Speaker #2

  Very good.

• Speaker #1

  You're a little JFK. Yeah. You're a little JFK.

• Speaker #2

  You're a little JFK, Brian. Just a little bit. Did you notice the actor from Severance, Dylan G., is Clev in this show?

• Speaker #1

  Yes, well,

• Speaker #2

  because he was in Shang-Chi and he was in Spider-Man Homecoming, I believe.

• Speaker #1

  I knew this man was picking up on it.

• Speaker #0

  So cool.

• Speaker #2

  Was it Homecoming he was in? Do a flip,

• Speaker #1

  Spider-Man.

• Speaker #2

  That was cool because we were watching it. I was like, that looks like Dylan G. And then he was filming and I was like, wait, that's Clev!

• Speaker #1

  And Pete Holmes was behind him. It was crazy.

• Speaker #0

  You're outie. It's from Urban G.

• Speaker #2

  I was like, I don't think this is part of Oz's protocol, Spider-Man.

• Speaker #1

  Wow.

• Speaker #2

  oh my god what is this You and me, it's just you and me fields. It's just you and me.

• Speaker #1

  Where are you going, Irvin? We're going,

• Speaker #2

  Irvin. Someplace,

• Speaker #0

  ask Corbin. We like wine.

• Speaker #2

  We like wine. Expensive. I thought Norman, the whole problem with Norman Osborn is you can't accept him as a good guy. Because it's like looking at Jack Napier and going, who's he going to be one day? You know Jack Napier's the Joker.

• Speaker #0

  Jeff Bezos already like him.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, honestly. Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  Even at the end, I liked I liked Peter. Not like I like Norman didn't go to like jail. He just kind of showed he was in hot water. So Peter sort of had to make a choice of like if he's going to align himself with a guy with the values of Norman. I was when I think that shows a lot of his character and like something happened where he wasn't able to go back. He made the physical choice to say, I'm not going to align myself with this guy. I have Harry. I have Nico was trying not to talk to a burp.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, it was painfully obvious.

• Speaker #2

  I'm sorry. I'm going to cut to you guys when I'm editing this. I thought that it shows you more, like obviously he's going to have lost Spider-Man. It adds to that whole, what we've always said, Norman is so jealous and hateful of Peter because it was his spider that created it, which I thought they did a very good job of tying that all through.

• Speaker #0

  Now- Does he know that?

• Speaker #1

  He can't.

• Speaker #0

  He will.

• Speaker #2

  He will. In this context, I'm not sure.

• Speaker #0

  He got it from Peter when they got the blood sample. Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Right.

• Speaker #0

  But he doesn't know that Doctor Strange went back. No.

• Speaker #2

  He doesn't know that. It's very...

• Speaker #0

  He doesn't even know what happened.

• Speaker #2

  No, Peter still doesn't know.

• Speaker #0

  We are the only people who know.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  Oh, I guess Peter does know. At the end, he did say to Doctor Strange, if you didn't go there that day, that day I wouldn't become me. So I guess we saw... Peter Offscreen must have figured out. Because remember he sees Doctor Strange, he's like, you were there that day in school, Doctor. Yeah. Oh, you are. And then Doctor Strange sees him when he goes back and he's like, good save, kid. But he didn't really say anything to him. Yeah. Peter in that time must have surmised when he asked Doctor Strange, you went back in time, when they were sitting on the scaffolding.

• Speaker #0

  Well, because he felt the bite. I guess, yeah, you put the pieces together. Yeah. And the itsy bitsy spider goes down the water. Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  I love what they did with Harry in this too. The fact that he is- What do you like about it? Well, just the fact that like so many times in the comics, Harry is subject to his dad's whims. Yeah. And he's just- He's just always trying to impress him, and his dad is such a piece of shit to him. And in this, this is Harry really going, I'm going to be my own man, which is really cool because it gives him such what am I it gives him more depth.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. Yeah, and I think they're trying to probably make it more related to younger viewers by him being like a social media celebrity and like his own kind of thing. Yeah, not like the And memes of like him when they ground Paul at the end. So, like, and then the pressures of that maybe makes it more relatable for people who have not really watched any of the Spider-Man series or anything like that. But, yeah, I thought it was cool, too. He's, like, he's standing on his own. Exactly. Not really relying on his dad or trying to prove himself.

• Speaker #1

  Question for you two, though. Do you think they're trying to set up a Harry and Nico relationship or Nico and Penny relationship?

• Speaker #2

  Who is Penny?

• Speaker #1

  Pearl, you mean? Pearl, sorry.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, it's okay. It's a stupid name.

• Speaker #1

  Dumb name. Pearl.

• Speaker #0

  Earl had a die you know Dixie Chicks

• Speaker #1

  I know the band the Dixie Chicks but I don't know the song yeah well I didn't expect you you I'm disappointed I know I'm sorry surprised by it I had to write a paper about it wow cause Earl had a die shout out Miss Dufresne wow

• Speaker #2

  Miss Dufresne you're gonna get out of this prison I would like to tell you that Norman Osborn shut down that portal that day but that would have been a lie now I seek redemption laughing I think Harry and Nico will end up together because I don't really see a reason for Pearl to be in another season because she was sort of the last line of Lonnie having a semblance of him being Lonnie. And I see the Nico-Harry thing working more because there's no MJ in this circle. It reminded me very much of the triangle in the Raimi movies with MJ, Harry, and Peter. Oh, yeah. But... In that situation, they were childhood friends that had raised into adulthood. In this situation...

• Speaker #0

  Actual day ones. Yeah,

• Speaker #1

  actual day ones.

• Speaker #2

  And I thought, to your point of, like, Harry being such a good character, I thought that's what made him such a good character in this, versus, like, oh, my whole character is, I was best friends with Peter, and Spider-Man killed my dad, so now I'm going to spend two movies trying to kill Spider-Man and shoehorn him into the Hop Goblin at the end and have three fucking villains in one Spider-Man movie and just not have it work. I think Harry having his own character, having Webb, uh it very much felt like a dance lot modern spider-man plot point like oh everyone even the episodes where he didn't have the suit on i think it was one episode where he didn't have it on at all and i was like i still really like this and i usually hate that i i like when i watch spider-man i want to see the red and blue i want to see him beat up bad guys he has the coolest villains ever he has the coolest powers he's the most relatable i want to see that i thought peter parker was so well fleshed out and every character was fleshed out the only person i could think of that wasn't really used or was used in like a fridging term was maybe Pearl, but even she had connections like being Peter's babysitter when she was a kid and being his lap partner. Everyone was for the sake of work.

• Speaker #0

  I think she will be in the second season because towards the end, she called him Pete.

• Speaker #2

  Oh,

• Speaker #1

  yeah, you're right. Good call.

• Speaker #0

  I think they're going to have a little romance, and that's going to cause a little rift between him and Tombstone unknowingly.

• Speaker #2

  And that's how they start the game.

• Speaker #1

  Because we're going to start to see the villainous transformation of Tombstone. I don't know if he's necessarily going to be as outright... evil as he is in the comics. His tombstone in the comics is scary.

• Speaker #0

  I think he could get there. I think now after the other dude freaking like ditched, everyone was looking at him like he's the new leader now.

• Speaker #1

  But do you think he's going to be like a standard villain or do you think he's going to be like Titan on Invincible? Like a guy who's like a villain and a mobster but he's

• Speaker #2

  he's a necessary evil i think like titan because i think they're going to continue to tell peter and lani's story synonymously where it's the tale of two cities and i think i think it's it adds a lot to their character steps i don't i don't see a reason why lani would outright have a beef with spider-man other than that pearl thing you mentioned which would i think he's gonna go totally dark i think he's totally you At the end, he throws his jacket away.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, he does.

• Speaker #2

  You know, and that's him just leaving the lifebuoy. And he's lying on the phone saying,

• Speaker #1

  because he wants this.

• Speaker #0

  Everyone made him a good, hardworking, like, nice guy. He's lost. He doesn't have the football team. He doesn't have his girl anymore. He doesn't really have his family because they don't want to know about the gang relationship and the 110 that he's doing. So he's hiding that. He's lying to everyone. He has no one in his corner. The only person he really has is Spider-Man. But I think that... They're going to be on conflicting sides, and that's going to drive them to be.

• Speaker #1

  And I think he wants. I think all that stuff that you just outlined, the girlfriend, the football, the school, the family, the expectations. He hated all of that.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. Also, like when you you don't know what you got till it's gone kind of thing. I think that he's going to look back and be bitter and want revenge on everyone that like he think wronged him.

• Speaker #1

  I think it's a cool theory, but I actually think he's going to be really.

• Speaker #0

  That's for the receipts, Brent. I want to be right like you,

• Speaker #1

  Dad. I think he's going to be really addicted to the power. I think he loves the respect that he's getting. And I think he really likes the community aspect he's getting from guys like Bulldozer.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, yeah. So I think he's going to be evil.

• Speaker #1

  Evil! I think we should make him eat dirt. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. That was a dirty bubble reference. That's not my moment.

• Speaker #0

  I got the beep cut.

• Speaker #2

  Woo!

• Speaker #0

  Wow.

• Speaker #2

  I thought this was, like, every, I watched this, like, three episodes at a time. I thought that was the best way to, like, digest it. I watched it week to week for the first couple, and then I was like, because it was, like, almost like chapters. You had the first three, where it was him coming to get the powers and the suit and everything. Then you had the second three with Norman, and then you had the back three with Scorpion, Doc Ock, and then the epilogue, the last episode, I thought, was... Usually I hate when they're shoehorning everything in the last eight minutes to tell you, hey, get ready for what's coming next. But I thought that's a good job with it. Really, it was. Perfect superhero storytelling. I also just design wise, I hated it in the trailer, but they executed it so well. The panels, the panels were so great. Oh,

• Speaker #1

  great.

• Speaker #0

  Such a one when it was Spider-Man and tombstone when they're split at the end.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. That's what made me realize that's probably how they're going to keep telling this story, like a good and evil thing where it's not all just focused on. on peter and that's kind of like why the 90s show had to fall back on so much narration because it was really yeah the large chunks of the show was just peter and if he wasn't narrating what was going on it'd be very hard to tell visually the best animated spider-man show i would say is spectacular spider-man that's the fan-reviewed one i'm i but this one i would put it a close number two in if i had to like give the top five spider-man cartoons of all time i'd say animated series at number five marvel spider-man at four Hmm.

• Speaker #1

  Are these only animated series? So we're not talking about the 70 or the Japanese Spider-Man who had the machine gun?

• Speaker #2

  I don't know. I was going to say I was going to put that at three. I was going to ask you for permission to put that at three. I think that's pretty based, man. I don't know if you ever saw that.

• Speaker #0

  That call.

• Speaker #2

  Japanese Spider-Man? Oh,

• Speaker #1

  he's a jizz.

• Speaker #2

  A machine gun. He don't shoot webs. He shoots glocks.

• Speaker #0

  He shoots bullets? Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  he was that's the spider-man that was walking around hiroshima in 1945 he didn't get bit by a spider he got dropped on a radioactive bomb and then two i'd put this and when i put spectacular like uh and and i'm gonna go back this like made me the way no way home reinvigorated my love for spider-man and made me start reading comics and watch all the movies and shows again like i'm gonna go back and watch all the spider-man shows now that i've watched this it's just like i love spider-man oh dude it's my favorite what's your what's your favorite uh

• Speaker #0

  Spider-Man, like how he's portrayed and just animated stuff. It could be a movie or a show.

• Speaker #1

  Anything?

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. Like who's your favorite? Because I really liked this Peter Parker. I thought he was like very Tom Holland-y. Yeah. I thought he was very like innocent. They stay true to who Spider-Man is, like very high school. Yeah. You know, like I felt like he was a kid. What was other things? I'm like, oh, he's a little too mature. Like I don't think.

• Speaker #1

  It was Garfield, but honestly, it might be this. I think this nailed it. The two things I want to. harp on uh i make sure i mentioned before uh uh i forget that i just absolutely loved about the show is one they included a lot of villains obviously they include doc ock uh well done included million exactly main villains that was mainly yeah except major but then also like lesser known villains that i never thought i'd ever see like first off i never thought tombstone would get like yeah but like uh like this level of like uh recognition but also like speed demon you It was included. The unicorn. Oh,

• Speaker #2

  they were in the third episode, right? When they were running.

• Speaker #1

  The unicorn.

• Speaker #2

  I mean,

• Speaker #1

  what?

• Speaker #0

  That was, yeah. I didn't know them, obviously, but.

• Speaker #2

  I didn't know Unicorn was a villain. I assume that's who Rhino's going to get his tech from and then be Rhino. Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Right? Yeah. Well, yeah, exactly.

• Speaker #0

  Unicorn is the weapon that broke him out.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. Yeah. But then also to circle back to what you said earlier about, like, favorite adaptation. A lot of people love, I think his name is Josh Keaton. Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  He was. spectacular, right?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, and he's the one who voices Richard in this at the end.

• Speaker #2

  Okay, so I was going to ask you about that. What's the deal with Richard Parker? Why is he in jail?

• Speaker #1

  I have no idea. It's a completely new take on Richard Parker because in the comics, in the 616, he's a CIA agent and him and Mary, they're spies and they die in a plane crash by the Red Skull.

• Speaker #2

  Oh, it was Red Skull?

• Speaker #1

  I think so, yeah. In the Ultimate universe, he's a genius microbiologist,

• Speaker #2

  and he's working on- He created the symbiote with Eddie's dad, right?

• Speaker #1

  Exactly, and so Bolivar Trask sends them down, and they kind of do a version of that where you think Richard actually survived, and it turns out it was a clone created by Doc. We read that comic by Doc Ock during Ultimate Spider-Man.

• Speaker #0

  He helped with the symbiote stuff? Do you think they're trying to do that version for this with the little-

• Speaker #1

  I don't think so, because in the Ultimate, the symbiote- Is that it? Exactly. Oh,

• Speaker #0

  okay. Yeah. Okay. dang yeah i don't know that was a really weird like last little drop yeah the only other time i could think where you saw him portrayed in any media outside of comics was in that deleted amazing spider-man 2 scene where you see his dad at the end yeah right and is there other versions where like may knows he's alive because i feel like may is always like so transparent with peter like it's kind of weird that she's hiding that she's like i gotta go for errands aka go to jail talk your dad like that's crazy yeah that's true oh yeah i wonder if peter knows where his parents are

• Speaker #1

  I think he thinks they're both dead.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, I was thinking.

• Speaker #0

  I didn't really talk about it.

• Speaker #1

  And you don't see anything between Richard and Mary. Richard and Macy. I think that maybe he's incarcerated, like, fairly falsely.

• Speaker #0

  What was the picture?

• Speaker #2

  I think it was May and Peter, right?

• Speaker #1

  And Ben.

• Speaker #2

  Oh, that was him, Ben, and Peter.

• Speaker #0

  Oh,

• Speaker #1

  okay. I think it was May, Ben, and Peter.

• Speaker #2

  May, Ben, and Peter.

• Speaker #0

  Okay. That was weird. He just, like, slid it. That was my boy.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  What? Why are you giving it back?

• Speaker #1

  And this is the first time in MCU Spider-Man's acknowledged Ben. Like, we know he existed in the MCU, but, like, in No Way Home, Tobey and Andrew talk about Ben. Yeah. But Tom never really talks about it.

• Speaker #2

  Because May was his Ben, essentially. I don't even think they really need a Ben because they did it so well in No Way Home. That puts a rock in my throat every time I think about it. That scene was perfect with May. You know, is that what the goblin told you? Very power, great responsibility. Once you heard her say, with great... Remember, I saw that in theaters with you, No Way Home, and I was like, she's going to die.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  And when Toby says it to Tom and he goes, he goes, with great power...

• Speaker #2

  comes great responsibility tom's like how did you know that and then it cuts to andrew and he goes uncle ben said it yeah yeah me too oh i got it i also love lani stopped score uh him from killing scorpion the same way toby yes stopped tom from yeah oh where he grabbed oh mr

• Speaker #1

  white that's crazy but yeah who's uh who's uh to go back to slady's question now what's your favorite version of uh it's interesting because i want to say

• Speaker #2

  toby mcguire because that's who i grew that's it's so hard because i was thinking just animated animated uh animated definitely that's in my opinion yeah that's what i'm thinking yeah i would put this and then if i can if i can include the video games i would say insomniac spider-man because he uh i i love adult spider-man i grew up on spider-man ps1 i love a uh maybe it's because i've seen spider-man in high school my whole life i like knowing what does he do in his adult life and by adult i mean like you know 24 to 30 uh sometimes he gets married to uh to am hey to marry oh god my stepdad just stuck in the dryer spider-man when he was from alabama um i i love an adult spider-man we're like he's been doing because you know figure he started in ultimate what was he like 14 15 yeah yeah so if he's 25 he's been doing this for 10 years the insomnia game i liked because they had a mysterio they had a scorpion the only villains that they were like really introducing for the first time were doc ock Mr. Negative, Venom, and Kraven. And all those, I think, work for an adult Spider-Man. And the other ones he could sort of grow up with. But to Brent's point, I would have to say this one embodies everything that I love. It's like what I liked about what I love about Tom Holland. Tom Holland, to me, is a perfect Peter Parker. And he's a perfect Spider-Man.

• Speaker #0

  You like him more than Miles Morales in No Way Home?

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, in Beyond the Spider-Verse? Yeah. I like Miles'... character i love miles's arc my problem with miles is he's still in his infancy so pretty much every iteration of miles is the same story where miles is coming in after spider-man miles learns about the prowler miles has his destiny in front of him and then miles decides he wants to be miles that's how every story of miles has been for years and i'm not faulting that miles is still the fact that most people know who miles morales is false love so and i think it's so cool but they still need to push them out totally seeing what happens when audiences know a character as long as they have like peter parker where you don't have to do the uncle ben thing you barely have to show you ever got bit by a spider it worked in this show because it obviously ties into the last yeah that's the thing it was so like quick they hit all the dots that you had to do yeah like they didn't spend much time like

• Speaker #0

  showing you again everything happened the people watching this no I really enjoyed it. The soundtrack was freaking killer.

• Speaker #2

  It was very cool. I like modern soundtracks and stuff like this. A lot of the time companies won't do that because they want like their Danny Elfman or John Williams theme to be synonymous, whatever they're swinging into. MCU doesn't really have that. The Avengers movies kind of have their theme a little bit, but like nothing really else does. I like when they put modern music in the thing. Black Panther, amazing soundtrack with all the Kendrick Lamar. Yeah. And the theme song was like, here we go. Here we go.

• Speaker #1

  It's weird that DC is doing only Drake stuff now.

• Speaker #0

  I found a way. I found a way. We weren't talking about that.

• Speaker #1

  We weren't. No, it's a good callback.

• Speaker #2

  They not like us, Peter.

• Speaker #0

  You know what? All the Drake's are problematic.

• Speaker #1

  Not Tim Drake. Drake,

• Speaker #0

  Drake.

• Speaker #2

  We like him. Are we ready for the last thoughts on your friendly neighborhood, Spider-Man? Friendly. I rate this show a...

• Speaker #0

  uh into the spider-verse part one on a scale of uh amazing spider-man two to uh across the spider-verse my praise yeah i put it right in it into the spider-verse i put it right around say like eight eight and a half almost a nine i'd give it a nine out of ten yeah you know i'm gonna say nine it's a nazi joke it's a nazi I give it five Brents yes that's all five I give it two nipple rub and if you want to hear us talk more about Spider-Man Nightwing whatever else we're going to be talking about Kirby tear we're going to play a little Ultimate Spider-Man 2 subscribe to Kirby tear follow along with us here until next what's our next week's book bone part two then Supergirl then Supergirl please Thank you for 35,000 true believers following us along as always. Thank you for those who are subscribing along on Kirby tier. Until next week, I'm your host, Troy Bond, co-creator. Okay, I love you. Bye-bye. And Slater. I'm done.