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• Speaker #0

  Okay, it's a bird, it's a plane, it's a new episode of Secret Identity. I'm your host, Troy Clark, and this technically illegal immigrant, Bond, co-hosted by Superman's pal, and not wearing any underwear on the inside or out, friend Burnbaum.

• Speaker #1

  I just like to be loose.

• Speaker #0

  And speaking of loose, speaking of loose, it's Lois Slater Harris. I still have to keep that part in.

• Speaker #2

  I have two pairs of underwear on to make up for Brent's.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. And I'm not lying to you. Both inside or out. I kind of got into this costume commando, so I had to adjust the camera to shoot from the waist up.

• Speaker #1

  Just say a lie.

• Speaker #0

  Say you're wearing ladies'underwear. Well, I most certainly am not, Chris. You're in the mafia. Today we are talking about, because of all the Superman hype, Superman the Animated Series, my first introduction to Superman, and I think a lot of people's, and also... The second coming of DC animated shows right before Justice League. Yeah. This was the next one. And even this one sort of sets up a bunch of different episodes, right? Like you have the Green Lantern episode. They possibly were setting up Green Lantern show. World's finest. Best arc.

• Speaker #1

  When Brainiac is like asking Luther to build a body and he like zaps him. And then later in Justice League, when you find out that Brainiac has been dormant in Luther.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah,

• Speaker #1

  yeah.

• Speaker #0

  But he remained undetected because he was taking PrEP.

• Speaker #2

  Brainiac just reminded me of Plankton's wife.

• Speaker #0

  Kryptonite, 99% Krypton, 1% weed.

• Speaker #2

  And it's all the Chum Bucket.

• Speaker #0

  What stands out about this show for you?

• Speaker #1

  I think this was the first time that I realized Superman could be cool. And I think what made him cool is that he wasn't trying to be cool. It was that he was just so unapologetically him. It's like Captain America in the MCU. What makes Captain America work is that he's not trying to be Iron Man. It's that he is a Boy Scout, and that's what makes him awesome. It's his commitment to his ideals.

• Speaker #0

  Chris Evans even said that when he was playing Captain America, where one of his toughest challenges was getting into the character because he doesn't have the darkness of Batman or the quips of Spider-Man. He's just sort of a loser. Right. That is what one thing is. I mean, he kind of is.

• Speaker #2

  It's like I can relate.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, that's what makes him. That's coming from the Tony Stark. That's what makes him a perfect juxtaposition.

• Speaker #2

  He's like, correct.

• Speaker #1

  Was Captain America rejected by two women in the same night for prom?

• Speaker #0

  Did he die a virgin?

• Speaker #1

  He did not die a virgin.

• Speaker #0

  We had confirmed that he slept with that woman on the.

• Speaker #1

  Well, he slept with the co-ed or whatever her name was in the army. Right, yeah. The one from Game of Thrones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He also went back in time and hooked up with, what's her face? Peggy. Okay, yeah, all right.

• Speaker #0

  That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• Speaker #2

  I will come back to you.

• Speaker #1

  I'm sure when he was on the run with Black Widow, they... Really? You and Black Widow? I'm so unsure.

• Speaker #0

  Could have been clap and cheek?

• Speaker #1

  Dude, when you're that looking...

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, either side of you.

• Speaker #1

  Black Widow, also famously racist. She wasn't hooking up with Sam. Yeah,

• Speaker #0

  that's wow. That's what Yeah, like you couldn't have been another reason chemistry not same likes or interest races races You like that when Wayne Brady was on 30 Rock, you don't want to ball with me because I'm racist No, it's because I think you're really born Falcon just like no, it's cuz I'm racist now. I'm gonna become Captain America. Oh you did

• Speaker #1

  I was like Black Widow was racist, but it works the other way for a falcon to be racist

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, listen, we're talking about Superman. Don't tell me what you want to do next.

• Speaker #2

  From ass-glapping to racism so quickly.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, we covered the gamut here. Wow.

• Speaker #0

  That's actually how it works.

• Speaker #2

  Well, we got all the points today, folks.

• Speaker #0

  You got really into this show today. I showed you a bunch of episodes, and you, like, were surprisingly really hooked into it. Yeah. You got hooked into it.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, because this came out in 95, right?

• Speaker #1

  97.

• Speaker #0

  97?

• Speaker #2

  97, yeah. Okay. So you were wrong. Yeah, right. I have the notes. So I was kind of thinking it was going to be outdated, kind of like flat. I don't know. But the animation we were discussing, like it's so enticing. I don't know. There's like not too much detail, but like the perspective is all there because it's most, it's like kind of like 2D. Like it's not like how animation is nowadays, like the new Mufasa movie and stuff, you know, like they're trying to make it too real.

• Speaker #1

  Is that even animation or is that just like kind of live action?

• Speaker #2

  Exactly. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, but you know what I mean? No, like anything that's like. not legitimate you know shooting the camera in the subjects right there and it's just computerized if it doesn't look like south park characters i'm not one yeah like i want to draw yeah and there's this looks like not an appeal for

• Speaker #0

  2d animation too because we saw that um boring lord of the rings movie um and wow a boring lord of the rings that is i wasn't can you believe it no i wasn't oh my god i'm gonna murder you but i saw it here's the first movie it was beautiful like just because there's no It was 2D animation, essentially, and there was like a little bit of 3D element. They have that, I don't know if you saw the trailer for the new Spider-Man cartoon. I did,

• Speaker #1

  yeah, I liked it.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, you did?

• Speaker #1

  Well, it's just like you have to. There are so many things about Marvel I don't trust right now. But X-97 was outstanding. And so it's the same team behind X-97. Is it? I mean, I know it's not the same writer. But if it's not the same essential creative team, it gives me hope that it could be good.

• Speaker #0

  I didn't love the animation on it just because maybe I'm so used to it. The common consensus is DC didn't knock it out of the park with their live action movies. But they always killed it. With animation. Right. Because all of it sort of fell under that same umbrella style, right? We're starting with Batman, then a miniseries, then Superman, then Batman Beyond, then Justice League. All of that was like the Bruce, Tim, Paul, Denis writing and art style. So it all fit into the same universe. And then the Spider-Man trailer that just came out. reminds me of that 2003 Spider-Man cartoon with Neil Patrick Harris that took place right after. I kind of like that one. I liked it too. It was a product of its time. My problem with it being, you come all this time from anime, all this time later, are we trying to be nostalgic with this Spider-Man trailer or are we trying to make up for the fact that we can't capture the magic of 2D animation unlike Creature Commandos, which is killing it. And it looks old. Yeah, don't need to watch that. It's very good. And it's like that. Justice League and Superman and Batman we grew up with. I miss that 2D animation style. I think that's what makes it so charming. Yeah,

• Speaker #2

  I feel like it's too advanced, but also trying to be old school, if that makes sense. Yeah,

• Speaker #0

  you said it looked like a smartphone game.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, it kind of looks like a video game or something, but done in a more paper way. I don't know.

• Speaker #0

  The Spider-Man game.

• Speaker #2

  The foreground is like...

• Speaker #0

  clear in the background's kind of like forgotten about a little bit it's like well they do that in the uh they do that in the spider-verse movies too where like yeah i was just gonna ask who did those but those were the spider-verse movies worked because it was such a it wasn't like a rushed slash we're using ai though we're gonna pretend we're not really using it uh in their production and this one i just sort of i mean not to shit on everything no had you liked about it but comparing it to dc and like why this superman show was so great It's because it was so charming for what it was. It looked like those VHS movies that you would get in the 90s. Yeah,

• Speaker #2

  it's more like natural. But

• Speaker #1

  X-97 looked like that in the finished product. And I think there are almost two routes you can go with animation. You can do what X-97 did, which is essentially another season of a beloved show. Or you could do like Batman and Caped Crusader when you bring back like... Bruce Timm, you bring in Ed Brubaker, who's one of the greatest writers of our time. But instead of doing a new version of Batman the Animated Series, which I would have been on board for, they do something new. Was Caped Crusader good? Yes. Was it not as good as animated series? Absolutely not. Well,

• Speaker #0

  that's like saying, is the Hans Zimmer soundtrack to Tenet as good as the Hans Zimmer soundtrack to literally anything else? It's like impossible to compare anything.

• Speaker #1

  But the original X-Men show from the 90s was outstanding, and X-97 surpassed it, in my opinion.

• Speaker #0

  That's why I kind of wish that they would do a Spider-Man 97.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• Speaker #0

  That would be so much cooler than a new Spider-Man show. But that also could be me being nostalgic, and like, I want something that I used to know.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, you're, like, refusing to move on.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, like, I don't... There's...

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, they're good.

• Speaker #1

  There's one in particular I want to talk about for that. Well, the... Yeah, the one that I wanted to make sure that we brought up was Apocalypse Now, which is the first time Darkseid like really comes to Earth. And that's when you meet Orion. Yeah,

• Speaker #0

  I have one of the last ones.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, that legacy is outstanding too.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, that's the one I had outlined too.

• Speaker #1

  But yeah, what I love about Apocalypse Now is like it does a great job introducing Darkseid who's been this overarching threat. You meet Orion for the first time. You really kind of enter the fourth world like Steppenwolf. And this, more than almost anything until like Mr. Miracle by Tom King, was such a legend. love letter to the king himself, Jack Kirby, because there's a character, Dan Turpin, who was created by Jack Kirby and in the show was designed to look just like Kirby.

• Speaker #0

  And that's the one that Darkseid or Superman, Darkseid killed him.

• Speaker #1

  He was the cop. And like, because in those episodes, Superman's kind of out of commission for a bit. So he's the one who's rallying like Metropolis to fight against Darkseid and his troops and then like ends up freeing Superman by its time until Orion comes in. And then as Darkseid's leaving, he's like, Kal-El or Superman, all victories come with a cost. He kills Turpin. And then Superman's so livid and it cuts to Turpin's funeral. And it's like they're saying the Mourner's Kaddish, which is the traditional Jewish prayer when someone passes. And they have a rabbi there. And you see all the Superman cast there, like Superman, Lois Lane, Lex Luthor, Jimmy Olsen. But then you also see in the back, you see Stan Lee.

• Speaker #2

  Oh,

• Speaker #1

  someone actually they drew Stanley and they have Superman at the grave for Turpin. And he said what the world didn't need was a Superman, just a brave one. And then the final card says this episode is dedicated to Jack Kirby. Rest in peace, King, because Kirby had died around like 94. So this was only a few years later.

• Speaker #2

  That's awesome.

• Speaker #0

  I never knew that.

• Speaker #2

  Me neither. My head exploded a little.

• Speaker #1

  It was it was like when I. Because I always knew that it was an homage to Kirby. Because I remember watching that and being like, oh, that's beautiful. Because I knew about Jack Kirby. I never picked up on the Stanley Easter egg.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, I was just going to say, how did you figure that out?

• Speaker #1

  I was just like watching. I was just like pausing. I was like, holy shit.

• Speaker #2

  You're 100th time watching.

• Speaker #1

  My 100th time watching it. Anyway, excuse me. I think that's Stanley in the background. And then I went on Reddit. I was like, is that Stanley in the background?

• Speaker #2

  And they were like, yes it is.

• Speaker #1

  And they confirmed it.

• Speaker #2

  What episode did you catch it on? I was at number four. You're like, a hundred? Get out. Subreddit about Brian. He sucks.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, that you started. Yeah. Because you and Fred Skull on it.

• Speaker #2

  It already exists.

• Speaker #1

  You're the man, Fred.

• Speaker #0

  One of the first ones I showed Slater was World's Finest. A beloved crossover story featuring the two most iconic superheroes of all time, Batman and Superman.

• Speaker #1

  I couldn't get a joke in in time. I was going to say something stupid. What? I was going to say like

• Speaker #0

  Martian Manhunter and Big Bart two of the favorites of all time right next to Kate Bishop and two episodes Caitlin two shout outs you would be the Lex Luthor of our time right next to Elon and

• Speaker #1

  Elizabeth Holmes shout out to the people my two favorite answers for our clip we should play Lex Luthor What I told you about was Johnny Sins. Yeah. The other was Will Smith's wife. Oh,

• Speaker #2

  my God.

• Speaker #1

  Shada.

• Speaker #0

  Keep Luther's name out your fucking mouth. Oh,

• Speaker #2

  my God. Yeah,

• Speaker #0

  her weakness is jokes at the Emmys. Her, uh, the... This was their first meeting, I think, we ever got in animation. We probably got into the comics before this.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, yeah, you know, in the comics, for sure.

• Speaker #0

  They've met a bunch.

• Speaker #1

  That's why it's called World's Finest, because whenever Batman and Superman would meet in the comics.

• Speaker #0

  That's what it's called. And I guess not the first time in animation, because you had the Justice League, Justice Friends. Oh,

• Speaker #1

  yeah, like the Super Friends, yeah.

• Speaker #0

  This is like the first coolest meetup between the two, Batman and Superman. And it's when the Joker arrives in Metropolis with a deadly kryptonite statue covered in avian flu. proposes an alliance with Lex Luthor to kill Superman in exchange for a billion dollars. Batman follows Joker into the city, crossing paths with Superman for the first time. Their initial meeting is intense. Batman shoulder throws him. Yeah. Right when he tries to touch him. Yeah. Then he goes, I knew you were crazy. I didn't think you were stupid. And then he looked in his face, and then Batman's like, wow, that was kind of a bitch-ass move.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. You peaked. You peaked. He goes,

• Speaker #0

  Bruce,

• Speaker #1

  you peaked. in high school. I talked to Lana Lang.

• Speaker #0

  She said I could still keep my way in Enterprises business as long as you and Luther get the hell out.

• Speaker #1

  Is that why you slap around Tim Drake?

• Speaker #0

  Oh, come on. That was nothing, Bruce. You know? Luther didn't mean nothing by that. He was banging cocktail waitresses two at a time.

• Speaker #1

  In Tim Drake's case, cocktail waiters.

• Speaker #0

  Was that about time? my senses are tickling the best part of that episode is when batman's so mad at superman for looking under his mask that he not only finds out who superman is he takes his girl out for breakfast and puts a tracker on him and waits across town with binoculars waiting for superman to see him just to go ha

• Speaker #2

  ha yo yeah he went he went all the way across the rooftops and is just staring at binoculars like that was such a good peeping Tom moment.

• Speaker #1

  They kind of have good, they, they kind of have pretty good chemistry though. Bruce and, uh, and Lois. Well,

• Speaker #0

  it reminded me, you know, and the rumor is the Snyder movies, we're going to have Bruce, uh, and Lois have a baby together. Really? And that was going to be like, well, while Superman was dead, he was going to, she was going to be pregnant during the event of the first Snyder. cut movie and then two and three would have been the fallout from that and that plays in like him being in nightmare sequence i'm pretty sure that i remember that but i i agree like this shows that they had they had a real complexity to their relationship here and then also she finds out he's batman at the end and i think that also could be the chemistry between kevin conroy and dana delaney who played the phantasm in mask of the phantasm oh it was the same actress they liked her so much that they brought her back for superman the item

• Speaker #1

  animated series. Oh my god, I mean, we talked about Cartoon Crushes on Viewer Mail Part 1. Boy, did I have a crush on Lois Lane.

• Speaker #0

  I was saying that earlier.

• Speaker #1

  Oh my god, I was in love with Lois Lane. Not as much as I was in love with Jimmy Olsen. Yo, my mom, she's like a saint.

• Speaker #0

  This is the first ever full crossover between Batman the Animated Series and Superman the Animated Series, solidifying the foundation. This was the beginning of the DC Animated Universe.

• Speaker #1

  Well, because Batman the Animated Series was off the air, and then they brought it back as the new Batman Adventures, and the animation style looked like the Superman the Animated Series.

• Speaker #0

  I wasn't a big fan of... I liked the new Batman Adventures.

• Speaker #1

  It wasn't the same,

• Speaker #0

  though. It wasn't the same, but I liked the Tim Drake Robin. Almost all the character designs were better except the Joker. This was very kind of a downgrade. I hated it. It looked like something out of a... It was the same animation style in this one in the World's Finest episode. He didn't have the lipstick. He didn't have the eyeliner. It's just the white eyes and the pupils. I didn't love it as much.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, I didn't really like it.

• Speaker #0

  Was Tara Strong voicing Harley at this point?

• Speaker #1

  point did she ever no she did eventually in the i think in arkham she took over in arkham city but oh arlene sorkin was still a harley who was like okay he's like that's like a goaded performance too like arlene sorkin is harley uh wow really yeah how long did she do it for she she created the role and probably did it up until her death like wow maybe like 30 years that's pretty sick good for her harley wow

• Speaker #0

  um there were this is also my I was telling Slater earlier where I was showing you the episode. I don't know what I did to luck out to have Mark Hamill play my favorite good guy and my favorite bad guy. I know, right? And also, you have Luke Skywalker and Mr. Krabs in the same episode together.

• Speaker #1

  It's amazing.

• Speaker #0

  Clancy Brown, just one of the best. All right, Joker, you have to owe me money.

• Speaker #1

  Who was the housing manager in my fraternity years before I was? Who was? Clancy Brown. Oh, I'm sorry. And Sigma Chi at Northwestern,

• Speaker #2

  yeah. Oh, my gosh. You have such an interesting story. Hold on,

• Speaker #1

  you picked up that name you dropped. Oh, I'm sorry. What's it doing behind your ear? I'll be here all week.

• Speaker #2

  Now it's up my ass.

• Speaker #1

  Yo, what was that?

• Speaker #0

  My favorite quotes from this episode of Batman and Superman. Last time I checked, I don't work for you. Superman goes, shut up.

• Speaker #2

  Shut up.

• Speaker #1

  It's crazy. Does he say shut up?

• Speaker #0

  No.

• Speaker #2

  I did like.

• Speaker #0

  I could see

• Speaker #2

  I'm done with you.

• Speaker #0

  My favorite scene in that whole thing is when Batman helps Superman save Lois, and he goes, you know, without you, I really wouldn't have been able to save Lois. And he goes, I'm already aware of that. Just grabs him off and walks away. And he's like, you know, for someone who works alone, you're not that bad at teamwork. It's just so good. There were so many...

• Speaker #1

  Oh, it's an incredible sequence. Do you know what my favorite scene in that is? Which one? It's when after Superman already knows... that Bruce is Batman, and Bruce is at the planet asking Lois out. And, like, it really shows you the range Kevin Conroy had, because he's using the higher...

• Speaker #0

  Hi, Lois, I'd like to take you out later.

• Speaker #1

  Exactly. And then when she steps away...

• Speaker #0

  I hope you don't mind. I use an herbment facial mask before I put on my black mask.

• Speaker #2

  I'm trying to get us a reservation.

• Speaker #1

  I think it's for hip to be square.

• Speaker #0

  Try getting reservations at the Tale of the Planet now, you fucking stupid bastard.

• Speaker #1

  Hey, Paul!

• Speaker #0

  Hey, Paul!

• Speaker #1

  But when Lois steps away, then Superman turns to Bruce. He goes, any luck finding the clown? And then Bruce switches from the high-pitched voice to the voice he uses as Batman and says, like, countless nights.

• Speaker #0

  I'll let you know after.

• Speaker #1

  Exactly. And it shows you that that's his true voice. That's the voice he uses. with Alfred even when the mask is off. Yeah,

• Speaker #0

  because there was that episode of the animated series where somebody was getting in his own head and they were starting to mess with his own memories and he was able to break out of it because his subconscious was calling him Bruce and Terry was like, how did you know? And he goes, because that's not what I call myself.

• Speaker #2

  Ooh.

• Speaker #0

  And that's like, you know, you could play into the Bruce is the mask.

• Speaker #1

  Call myself daddy.

• Speaker #0

  I call myself Big Dick Batman.

• Speaker #1

  Daddy. You're great, Daddy. You have all right next to your eye. That's probably a perfect scene. You just need to imagine the fire.

• Speaker #0

  Did you watch the episode In Brightest Day?

• Speaker #1

  I didn't, no.

• Speaker #0

  One of the best introduces one of the most beloved characters in the DC Universe, Green Lantern. Again,

• Speaker #1

  it serves as like a-A Rainer Green Lantern.

• Speaker #0

  A Rainer Green Lantern. Superman is investigating a mysterious ship crash. an alien inside that crashed is Abin Sur, Green Lantern, who was mortally wounded protecting the universe. With his last breath, he entrusts his power ring to find a worthy successor. The ring chooses Kyle Rayner, a humble artist working at the Daily Planet. And at first you go, well, why wouldn't the ring go to Superman? And then later in the episode they go to, the lantern takes Superman to Oa, and they go, oh, it's the Kryptonians. You know, maybe because he's the ring supposed to go to the best who deserves it. But like the the Kryptonian, they know he's the last Kryptonian and he has all the power already. So there's just probably something in the final cabinet that goes, don't get it to the clip.

• Speaker #1

  They just gave how Jordan's origin story to Kyle Rader. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

• Speaker #0

  that's all they did.

• Speaker #1

  Because there's the 90s and stuff, like, because Hal Jordan had gone crazy. And so, like, they were like, all right, I guess we can't have Hal Jordan be Green Lantern in this.

• Speaker #0

  What happened with Hal Jordan?

• Speaker #1

  So Hal Jordan, in, like, a typical 90s thing, some writer just sniffed a bunch of, just ripped, like, five lines. He goes, why don't we make Hal Jordan evil, okay? Like, basically, during the death of Superman arc from the 90s, Mongol ends up blowing up Coast City, which is Hal Jordan's hometown. Right. And the Guardians of Oa won't let him resurrect them. And he goes crazy. And he's like, you're all corrupt. He goes, you're all out of touch. So he murders all the Green Lantern Corp. He murders Kilwog. I think everyone dies except for Jon Stewart. And, like, his ring, he becomes a villain.

• Speaker #0

  Does he go yellow?

• Speaker #1

  He doesn't go yellow. He just takes all the rings for himself. And then one of the remaining rings.

• Speaker #2

  It's a sophisticated golem.

• Speaker #1

  It's true. Yeah, yeah,

• Speaker #2

  yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Can we get a little golem?

• Speaker #2

  My precious. I can't do it. My precious. Nope, that's a witch.

• Speaker #0

  I've heard that girl stuck in my VCR before.

• Speaker #2

  My, yeah, my VCR. I'm really trying.

• Speaker #0

  You're precious, Brian? You read about your precious? You like the ring? You didn't have second breakfast, Brian? No, no, no. I didn't think so. No, it's up up in a way, not up in I'm K, Brian.

• Speaker #1

  You're like, what was that about BK?

• Speaker #0

  I was looking at it.

• Speaker #2

  Free poppers,

• Speaker #0

  but earlier.

• Speaker #2

  I gotta listen to him and then I'm gonna come back and do it again.

• Speaker #0

  You listen to him, but you have to spend a few days in his skin, Brad.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, I'm gonna just be locked in my room, dark, hunched over.

• Speaker #0

  Before and after they put Kyle Reiner's girlfriend in the fridge.

• Speaker #1

  I know, seriously. I think this is probably around the same time.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, Kyle Reiner got the ring in the comics and then eventually they found it. They're like, oh, Hal Jordan wasn't crazy. Parallax was actually a little parasite in his head. It was stupid. And then also DC realized, you know what? Jon Stewart... character.

• Speaker #0

  And they're still going with Jon Stewart, which is why I loved it. But I've been on a little bit of a Green Lantern kick lately and that's what made me love it. The next episode that I loved, we were just talking about Legacy. We read Mr. Miracle and we fear Granny Goodness and we know the Dark Side is. He's terrifying.

• Speaker #1

  So terrifying.

• Speaker #2

  Free version of everything.

• Speaker #0

  Granny?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. I got Ed Asner to voice her.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. Oh, is that Ed Asner? The guy from Up?

• Speaker #2

  I was wondering who was, I didn't know if it was a man or a woman. And then I figured it was a man.

• Speaker #1

  It's an old Jewish man.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  He has perfect grandma.

• Speaker #1

  He does.

• Speaker #2

  Wait, he did Up?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, he was the guy from Up.

• Speaker #2

  The old man?

• Speaker #1

  The old man, yeah.

• Speaker #2

  He's the plain old man.

• Speaker #1

  He was Doug the dog.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  um and this was the dark side episode legacy uh uh it's the it's widely regarded as the most intense and impactful episodes of the series going over you know themes trust identity redemption before i go into that way i gotta ask you a question about kara what's her deal kara yeah like in the continuity of this story like did she get sent to earth the same time clark left i think i actually i i need to re-watch those episodes but the finale of season two i think he's in space and he sees kara

• Speaker #1

  And so, like, I think she probably got sent around the same time. I don't really know the age difference.

• Speaker #0

  And then there was something that took her on another trajectory.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, okay.

• Speaker #0

  I think that's what happened.

• Speaker #2

  She got derailed.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  She's shopping.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, yeah. She's like, hang on, pull over. I've got to get something.

• Speaker #1

  Is she actually his cousin or, like?

• Speaker #0

  I'm pretty sure that's the continuity. If not, then he was helping her out at the dryer way too many times. But in Legacy, this episode opens with Superman being brainwashed by Darkseid, who used the Alt-Right pipeline and a bunch of Andrew Tate videos to manipulate the Man of Steel into a servant of the clock. Under Darkseid's command, Darkseid. Yes. Superman.

• Speaker #1

  Don't hit my Darkseid. Oh,

• Speaker #0

  yeah.

• Speaker #2

  That should be a villain. Darkseid.

• Speaker #1

  Darkseid.

• Speaker #2

  He's all over you.

• Speaker #0

  You won't stop me again this time, Darkseed.

• Speaker #1

  I've got my Darkseed. I'm right here.

• Speaker #2

  He's always coming, never going.

• Speaker #1

  What was that? It's never coming.

• Speaker #0

  You're a national treasure, Darkseed.

• Speaker #2

  We love you. We'll follow the trail.

• Speaker #0

  After they broke free from Darkseed's control, Superman's horrified by the destruction he caused and lost the trust of the people of Earth after a few of his old tweets came out, and he wanted to atone, so he battled Darkseed in a brutal... I'm waiting for people to comment. so they could suck out some of my dark seed.

• Speaker #1

  You know, when you go out, it's actually a very enjoyable experience. Come on, Mendelsohn. Come on. Does he want to come out? Do it. Help me. Help me.

• Speaker #2

  Just close your eyes.

• Speaker #0

  That's McKinney.

• Speaker #1

  Where's my buddy?

• Speaker #2

  You just buy him a set of knee pads for Christmas.

• Speaker #1

  You know what I mean.

• Speaker #0

  It says one. It says face again. It says off.

• Speaker #1

  Uh, yo, I was in that movie.

• Speaker #2

  Face off, ass down.

• Speaker #1

  What I liked about... Name of my biography.

• Speaker #0

  That's the real grease. What I loved about the episode is Darkseid is like my favorite Superman villain. There's just something about him being Superman's ultimate nemesis. Like, what would you... Would you say that, like, you look at him and you go, Oh, Superman's about to get his nitties knocked.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, I mean, I think of Lex Luthor, obviously, as his arch nemesis, but, like, Darkseid is, like, the ultimate evil. Yeah,

• Speaker #0

  because, I mean, Darkseid can land a punch.

• Speaker #1

  Like, yeah, if you were to ask me who the greatest villain in all of DC is, I would say Darkseid. And if you say that Superman is the greatest hero in all of DC, which he probably is, kind of, it makes sense that they're on a collision course together.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  This was Darkseid, like, the front man in...

• Speaker #1

  Mr. Miracle.

• Speaker #2

  Okay. Okay.

• Speaker #0

  He was in Mr. Miracle. That's what you've seen so far.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. Anything else, though? I feel like he has a lot to offer, and he's not really covered.

• Speaker #1

  He was in the Snyder Cut Justice League. They were trying to make him be the ultimate villain.

• Speaker #2

  I'm just an advocate. Well,

• Speaker #1

  honestly, the issue with Darkseid is, and this is just a lesson on getting there first, is Thanos, and we've mentioned before on this podcast, is a flat-out ripoff of Darkseid. Yeah, yeah. Like, Darkseid almost feels like a Marvel villain because he was created by Kirby. But, like, when Jim Starlin was creating Thanos, he literally just ripped off Darkseid. But because Thanos is a great villain in its own right and Thanos has been adapted perfectly, Darkseid will now just look like a ripoff of Thanos if they adapt him.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. Yeah, and also, to your point, Thanos was deserved when we got him when we did in Infinity War. Like, that was a... 10-year build, right, to get to that point. The issue, and we've both said we like the Snyder Cut. We both really enjoy the Snyder Cut. The issue with it is almost everything that happened in the DCAU after that, or EU, whichever one it was, was kind of pointless because you go up against Darkseid first. What's the threat of a flash rogue or anything going to be? You know, like Darkseid is the ultimate baddie. He's the last villain in the Justice League show. He's the last villain Clark has to go up against.

• Speaker #1

  The anti-life equation.

• Speaker #0

  The anti-life equation. Like there's nothing.

• Speaker #2

  The ultimate baddie.

• Speaker #0

  He's the ultimate baddie.

• Speaker #1

  You can get it.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, baddie, daddy.

• Speaker #0

  And they did it correctly when they, you want to say who killed the DC universe?

• Speaker #1

  Jesse James.

• Speaker #0

  I was thinking Jesse Eisenberg. He wasn't that bad.

• Speaker #1

  Making him a tech bro was actually a good idea.

• Speaker #0

  yeah they're they're they're yeah that was that's that that was my two cents yeah actually video killed the dc universe that would have been funnier at the moment dc universe video kill then um after there was one more oh identity crisis uh oh that's just bizarre is the best he's my number two superman villain i would say of all time and then and you feel but you also feel for him i feel yeah i imagine you were fucking cloned and then you had all those memories you would honestly think you were and then you look like a troll and just even if you're your rating yeah i'm yeah they'll think he's superman watch the game to lois and then like yeah well in in identity crisis um it's a standout episode that explores themes of uh you know it's got individuality and and identity and and what it means to be superman uh it introduces his one of his most intriguing you couldn't even you don't have to agree and say he's one of the greatest but he's one of the most intriguing superman adversaries bizarro who's a flawed clone man of steel steel pronounced s-t-e-a-l the right thing you can't spell the article begins with superman investigating reports of someone impersonating him across metropolis uh they stole his security card they're making a bunch of fraudulent charges uh at walmart's across the the country and a genetically unstoppable clone created by lex luther is actually the one who's been doing these things uh bizarro as he was called by eve tash master when she was like you oh mercy and call me bizarro mercy could also get it yeah i mean she gets mercy she got legs for days yeah she does and she's like his security guard slash uh driver slash uh it's

• Speaker #2

  coming out of your oh that was the same chick i just thought he had a like fleet of women that's like that I was like, damn, this dude is getting me.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, no, Lex knows how to lose her.

• Speaker #2

  So she's the one that got freaking knocked in the face by Harley.

• Speaker #0

  By Harley Quinn. Like the squirty clown. Yeah, yeah. And then she's there to always be his Peggy.

• Speaker #1

  To peg him.

• Speaker #0

  To peg him. Well, like, even despite, like... Bizarro, like his flawed nature, he still has this childlike innocence and wonderment about him that you want to just, you want to see him win. And it's also funny to just be like, he's an idiot. Right.

• Speaker #1

  There's nothing malicious about Bizarro. No.

• Speaker #0

  If anything, he's trying to prove he's Superman. Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  But it's so funny because he's so dumb. So he's like trying to fix situations that are not needing to be fixed.

• Speaker #1

  It's like Chuck McGill about Jimmy McGill. He's like, he goes, slipping Jimmy with a law degree. It's like, it's a chimpanzee with a machine gun. That's Bizarro.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. Well, even there is a redeeming quality about Bizarro and Lois sort of points out at the end because in order to save. Oh,

• Speaker #1

  what a joke. What a joke.

• Speaker #0

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Clark. Even like one of the at the end, he had to save Lois and he sacrificed himself by doing it. And Superman goes, well, he still had to have a good heart.

• Speaker #2

  for him to do that and lois said well he comes from great stock because he was still a clone of superman that's the mile at the end when she says you are a hero yeah that's all he wanted to hear notice though like he was holding up that like ceiling part that fell or whatever and like they weren't even underneath it like he was just holding his own piece yeah oh i didn't notice that we're gonna let you believe in that he's like hold on me

• Speaker #0

  good like you.

• Speaker #1

  That is a great episode.

• Speaker #2

  It really is. I really felt for him.

• Speaker #0

  He saved people like real Superman.

• Speaker #1

  Oh no.

• Speaker #2

  He's like bridge fall apart. Me fix. The ship's trying to go through.

• Speaker #0

  Oh yeah when he laser beamed the ship together.

• Speaker #2

  He's like bridge broken.

• Speaker #1

  Me fix with Simon Garfugl's song. Life just can't be found like Bridge over troubled water. Oh,

• Speaker #2

  poor guy.

• Speaker #0

  Are there any standout episodes for you that you want to...

• Speaker #2

  Oh, yeah. What was your one?

• Speaker #0

  I mean, those are the ones that I have.

• Speaker #1

  Those are great. I particularly love Legacy. And also, I love how Legacy sets up Justice League. Yes. Because you see how Hamilton gets scarred by what Superman did. And then he starts Cadmus with Amanda Waller.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, my God. Yeah, when he picked up Superman at the end, and then he puts him down, and he goes, he's never going to see me the same ever again. Oh, I never picked up on that.

• Speaker #1

  And when he's fixing Kara then, he uses that blood to create Galatea, who becomes one of the main villains in Justice League Unlimited.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, man. Well, I know I did it three months ago, but it might be time to watch Justice League all over again.

• Speaker #1

  It's time. Bruce is always paying attention.

• Speaker #0

  Always paying attention. Well, if that covers it for animated series, I do.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, one other episode I want to shout out just because.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, I had one more too. Oh,

• Speaker #1

  yeah. But just because we are comedians here.

• Speaker #2

  Two hours later.

• Speaker #1

  Two hours later. That's one.

• Speaker #2

  We do the whole fucking series.

• Speaker #1

  Nice fun, Barbara. Yeah. But because we are comedians, we have to shout out when one of the greatest comedians of all time is on Superman, which is Gilbert Gottfried as Mr. Mixed Yistapilk. Oh my God.

• Speaker #0

  What a perfect casting. Yeah. What happens in that one?

• Speaker #1

  That's just mixed Yistapilk. He's bored. He wants to mess with Superman because he's sick of messing with humans because like all the stories of imps and leprechauns and genies, those are always just Mr. Mixed Yistapilk, who was a fourth dimension or fifth dimensional being who was voiced by Gilbert Gottfried. He just, he just starts by walking around. in a way McGurk where's McGurk where did McGurk go he killed my parent it turns out McGurk is like Rodan's thinker who like gets up and starts walking there you are McGurk we got places to go I always just think of Aladdin my daughter was murdered by a live wire live wire do you wanna fuck a parrot

• Speaker #2

  Come get your choice.

• Speaker #1

  It's just fun watching him voice this character he's so perfect as. Yeah,

• Speaker #0

  yeah, yeah. He died, right?

• Speaker #1

  I don't know if he did. Superman makes him disappear. Oh, Gilbert Gottfried died. Yeah, like a rare blood disease.

• Speaker #0

  Wow, man.

• Speaker #2

  That sucks.

• Speaker #1

  Four comedic gods all died together. Him, Bob Saget, Louis Anderson, and one other. James Caan?

• Speaker #2

  Was that the actor? James Caan.

• Speaker #1

  The actor? Ronald Reagan, the actor?

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, yeah. That's Norm. Great people. Oh,

• Speaker #1

  okay. Wow. Oh, wow.

• Speaker #2

  That's a fucking.

• Speaker #0

  You know, Norm, people say he told us years ago, he told us he was going to die a joke. He's doing a Hitler joke, as he always does. And he goes, what, Hitler died? And he goes, yeah. He's like, I didn't even know he was sick.

• Speaker #1

  That's how he saw John Orme die.

• Speaker #0

  When he found out he died of cancer, everybody was like, I didn't even know he was sick. Oh,

• Speaker #2

  my gosh. What a full circle moment.

• Speaker #0

  Well, if that covers animated series, I do, before we get out of here, want to talk about the trailer.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, yeah. And also, quick nerd news, they officially confirmed it that Jason Momoa is Lobo. Really?

• Speaker #0

  Oh,

• Speaker #1

  they confirmed? Shout out my buddy Joe, who texted me right before this podcast.

• Speaker #2

  Oh, my God.

• Speaker #0

  I also think that they just delayed the Batman 2 because they're going to integrate Pattinson and Superman. You think? I think they're going to do DC.

• Speaker #1

  You don't think they're going to do Batman Brave and the Bold?

• Speaker #0

  I don't think so. I think they're going to do Pattinson with Corn Sweet. I think Gunn waited to see what fan response would be to that. I think most people kind of want that. I think we, as an American society, have had too many elections of I'm or I'm not Batman. Pattinson is just fine. Men love him. Women love him. I want to be inside of him. Keep Pattinson on as Batman as long as he bring it out.

• Speaker #1

  I want Pattinson inside of me.

• Speaker #0

  I want Pattinson inside of me. And I want Mr. Freeze inside of that movie. That'd be a great way to...

• Speaker #1

  That'd be amazing. Oh, my God. It would be incredible.

• Speaker #0

  They weren't the Dungeons.

• Speaker #1

  Maria, please, please. If I was cast in the Baptist movie,

• Speaker #0

  would you take me back? Listen to him, Jackie. I mean, Maria, same rules apply.

• Speaker #1

  Yes. Arnold, yes.

• Speaker #2

  Yes.

• Speaker #1

  I've come back to life so you can build me. Well,

• Speaker #0

  did you... Any last thoughts on Superman and Man of the Series before I go into the trailer?

• Speaker #2

  No, no. I'm pumped for the trailer.

• Speaker #0

  Trailer was beautiful.

• Speaker #1

  Trailer was amazing. I take back everything I said about Nicholas Hilde. He looks incredible as Luthor.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. He looks like he hates a guy just from being Superman. Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  He's good. He's such a little slithery snake. He always does weird, weird roles, man.

• Speaker #1

  He does,

• Speaker #2

  yeah. He dives in. He becomes those characters. He's a path law. Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  He's a...

• Speaker #2

  He was in that He was in that Nikola Tesla Yeah He was in that Nikola Tesla Right?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah Nikola Tesla He played him Yeah Huh? In the Prestige Kobe? Bowie Oh Oh yeah Yes that's right Yeah

• Speaker #2

  He was in that weird vampire movie With Nick Cage Oh yeah With the cold bodies

• Speaker #1

  Yes where he played Dracula Yeah

• Speaker #0

  He's been Now he's

• Speaker #1

  Now he's See Nosferatu

• Speaker #2

  He's definitely in it He's in it Yeah He's the husband of the girl Who's like getting haunted by Is Bill Skarsgård Nosferatu?

• Speaker #1

  Huh? Is Bill Skarsgård Nosferatu?

• Speaker #2

  Um, yes. Okay. Yep. Yeah. And then I don't know what Willem Dafoe's role in it is, but you could throw him in anything and he'll make his own.

• Speaker #0

  Yay. He has a special connection to Nosferatu. There are many interesting things.

• Speaker #2

  He's ex-blood.

• Speaker #0

  He'll be back in the sequel, Nosferatu.

• Speaker #1

  I love every time you just explain Mace Hughes. You do it as Willem Dafoe.

• Speaker #0

  He has a wife, a child. He's plotted a plot in the military. There are many interesting things. Hughes. You know, he's something of an alchemist himself.

• Speaker #1

  Full metal alchemist.

• Speaker #0

  Full metal alchemist. Yeah, that's all I really had to cover for Supes.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, no, I mean, the trailer looks, I mean, the movie's going to be great. It's going to be great. Because Gunn's batting 1,000.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah, no, it was like, just the cinematography of it and everything was captured. It's colored. Yes, it's bright.

• Speaker #0

  There's colors. Superman's fighting a savage.

• Speaker #2

  He's saving a little kid.

• Speaker #0

  I was crying. Clark Kent and Superman actually look. like different people for once, which I thought was impossible to do and they pulled it off perfectly. Yeah. And also to quote Jim Brown, man, it looks straight out of a comic book.

• Speaker #2

  It does. And the dog, what's his name again? Crypto.

• Speaker #0

  Dude,

• Speaker #1

  Crypto's in it. I never thought I'd be excited to see Guy Gardner in a movie. Dude,

• Speaker #0

  just with his hair and everything. Yeah, I love it. It looks great. And I'm glad that we're seeing another Green Lantern before we get Hal Jordan.

• Speaker #1

  Yes. And because I think the I think that Green Lantern show is going to be amazing with John Stewart and Hal Jordan. Yes. And then Guy Gardner is even going to be a part of that. Yeah.

• Speaker #2

  Yeah. I think they're on the they're on like the rise.

• Speaker #0

  Something they said everything was fighting on Superman. And I think it's a perfect gamble for the show to be because I mean, first of all, I'm glad that they're kind of going ahead and doing Superman. Because at first everybody was like, well, sort of follow the path that Marvel and DC did. Right. Focus on the lesser known heroes like Iron Man, Cap, Winter Soldier, build up the B's and C's. So the A's like Spider-Man. or even the X-Men, when they come to the forefront, they'll really be there. You kind of need Superman to be the heart of the DC. There's nothing you can... And Marvel is very weary of having...

• Speaker #2

  It's got to have respect.

• Speaker #1

  Marvel also didn't have Spider-Man and the X-Men and the Fantastic Four. They had to use these B-list characters. Yeah. DC has them.

• Speaker #0

  DC has them. DC is not playing with the house's money. It's really just fighting with Warner Brothers and it's fighting with... with what's the discovery and like all these big mergers that they're dealing with, where if this movie does everything that it's supposed to do, then superhero movies as a whole, it's great. When Marvel does well, it's great. When DC does well, it's great for each other when they both do really well. I hope that fantastic or even image and dark or image and dark horse doing incredibly well. When the, when people are going out and they're supporting that thing, I'm hoping that fantastic for them.

• Speaker #1

  isn't is great and i hope that superman is great because they both come out around the same time i was just gonna say when's their release like a week apart not the same day oh my god i can't wait to see pedro oh my god dude and i mean a live action galactus which is something i've wanted for an actual live action galactus not a fucking cloud like yeah that wasn't galactus that was a spit in my mother's mouth yeah

• Speaker #0

  look at your brother yeah no i think i'll write the kiss right in the kisser i mean i'm okay That's definitely why they delayed Batman, because they're going to bring in Corn Sweet Superman to go along with him, and they're going to have to retool some things and figure out, because you can have...

• Speaker #1

  How did we bring Victor back? There you stay.

• Speaker #0

  That's not... What?

• Speaker #1

  Bring Victor back?

• Speaker #0

  Not out of the question.

• Speaker #2

  What?

• Speaker #1

  Ow.

• Speaker #0

  Not out of the question. What? I heard it's not out of the question.

• Speaker #1

  Batman, I'm...

• Speaker #2

  One more time.

• Speaker #1

  I'm going to stop you. I'm actually sad.

• Speaker #0

  I got all these cats climbing out of the river.

• Speaker #1

  You want to know how I got these scars?

• Speaker #0

  Not really.

• Speaker #2

  I feel like I don't have enough time.

• Speaker #1

  My Sharona.

• Speaker #2

  Happy Harlequin. What is it, night seven?

• Speaker #1

  I don't know. I don't know. I got my gifts. Well,

• Speaker #0

  by the time it's out, it's been the new year. And Hanukkah has been.

• Speaker #2

  And Hanukkah.

• Speaker #1

  But we would like.

• Speaker #0

  No one was saying anything.

• Speaker #2

  You said Hanukkah. You said Hanukkah.

• Speaker #1

  there's a famous thing in Judaism that's not Holocaust or a holla is just a bread that we eat oh I love that holla oh yeah a silent C yeah

• Speaker #0

  I always said holla holla at your boy well true believers we want to thank you for 35,000 subscribers on this show thank you for riding into another year with us happy new year from The three of us going commando on this pod. We hope there's time next year. You'll be with us going up, up in a way. And six months from now, we'll be talking about how I should have been in the Superman movie. Cause I auditioned for it, but next time I could be audition. I can audition and play like Robin stunt double or something, but any last words?

• Speaker #2

  Thank God we're waist up. Cause we are truly naked.