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• Speaker #0

  Welcome to Boussaiti, the first French podcast dedicated to professional hair and makeup artists. I'm Valentina, a bridal hair and makeup artist based in the French Alps. Specializing in destination weddings across Europe and beyond, every summer, as you drive to your weddings, I open this week to accompany you on the road, keeping you inspired between two venues, two trials, two early mornings. I invite aspiring wedding professionals from around the world We talk about their journey, their expertise, their mindset and what it truly takes to build a meaningful business that empowers women and elevates our industry. Let's talk the real talk. Hello Anisha

• Speaker #1

  How are you doing? Hi I'm very good, how are you?

• Speaker #0

  Fine, thank you. So how happy to have you here today.

• Speaker #1

  I'm so happy to be here thank you for having me here I'm really excited really really emocionata really how do you say emocionata thrilled thrilled yeah really comunque your

• Speaker #0

  English is perfect

• Speaker #1

  I am I am Latina yeah you can feel the Latina accent in my country we learn a lot of English we hear a lot of English so it's and I like it Thank you.

• Speaker #0

  so it's really easy for me for the accent cool so today i'm having anisha shone your your name like his french name like yes my why it's my grandpa is french oh nice oh i'm put the mixture a very good mixture because you're from peru your grandpa is french and now you live in italy in Milan.

• Speaker #1

  And I am maybe in Italian. So I have.

• Speaker #0

  Okay.

• Speaker #1

  My children are half Italian, half Peruvian, a little bit of French.

• Speaker #0

  Okay. Okay. Okay. Oh, so do your children have, no, the children usually take the father's name. So, because Shani is really like Anisha Shani. Like, it sounds like, you know, like Dior, Coco Chanel. Oh, really? Yeah, you know, like a luxury brand. That's perfect.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. They pronounce like yeah let's just start it sorry it's more france yeah there are some things that when you say in french like they're really ugly

• Speaker #0

  but some things also in italian because people always say italian is a like a language that sings like it's very but sometimes i like it more french yeah sure yes yes yes okay so today we're going to try to do an episode in english but sometimes you're going to have some mixture of french a mixture of italian as you want for me we can put spanish too yeah you know what when i go to spain i had a vacation in spain like some years ago and when people talk to me in spain spanish i used to answer in italian and we used to and we were able to understand each other you know yes

• Speaker #1

  they are really similar and i think french or latin language not french spanish italian or latin so i really similar because when i go to france i understand to the french it's i i studied french for two years but i understand too it's it's close to both i think okay yeah yeah because it's uh they're all from latin you know from latin so at the end maybe

• Speaker #0

  if you don't maybe if you don't understand everything you can understand at least the meaning of what people try to say you know you can get it so today is going to be a very interesting interesting episode i was like wait stop let's start recording because we're so before i go further could you please explain to you to the people listening to us who you are where are you from and uh like all you think is interesting for us to know about you today okay

• Speaker #1

  um so i i just how would you say i'm from peru but i live here from like almost 25 years i'm here yes i am a little bit old i was born and raised in peru and then i moved here with my mother just me here um you And then we started our lives here and I study here. And when I finished my school, I was in the typical crisis from all the young people. What do I have to do with myself now that I finished my studies? And then... I'm doing nothing. Like I go to work and then I decide what to do. And after many years that I like, I go, I changed a lot of works. I don't find my, my way. I still don't find my way at 25 years. I, I put myself and I asked to myself what I want to do, what it's the most thing that I like to do. And then I said, makeup. I really love makeup. Why can't I try? Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Why should I? I should try makeup.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. I should try to study makeup. Yeah. So I started studying makeup 25 years, I think. Yes. And I studied at math school. Do you know math school?

• Speaker #0

  No. What's that?

• Speaker #1

  It's an American school.

• Speaker #0

  Okay.

• Speaker #1

  MUD, MUD.

• Speaker #0

  Okay, in Italy.

• Speaker #1

  Yes, it's an American school, but they come to Italy.

• Speaker #0

  Okay.

• Speaker #1

  They come to Italy, I started there because I wanted to have a certificate.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah,

• Speaker #1

  exactly. That I could work all over the world.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  I want to give you this certificate that you can work in America, you can work here, you can work all over Europe. And I started math. Then I finished. It's almost, it's not too long. It's like five months. And yes. And then after I finished math, I tried to go to and work with fashion, like runways, shootings, this stuff. But it's not cut on myself. I don't like it really much to work in runways. shootings. Fashion is not for me. No, I was thinking, yes, the brides was always my favorite. But then L'Oreal called me and we started to work together. Oh,

• Speaker #0

  wow.

• Speaker #1

  They called me, we started to do the work in the brand that called NYX. NYX Professional Makeup.

• Speaker #0

  Because NYX is owned by L'Oreal also?

• Speaker #1

  Yes. Okay. One of the L'Oreal's brand.

• Speaker #0

  Okay.

• Speaker #1

  And then we start to work together. I work in the shops of NYX here in Milan. I be there for 80 years almost.

• Speaker #0

  Wow.

• Speaker #1

  Then I work a little bit with campaigns for Mugler, with influencers. um so what are things that the laurel called me for doing and um then i have my second child okay i work in there then i have my second child and i was asking to myself if i wanted to stay there too because it goes like eight years together and i i feeling that i have to change something to myself with with my job because i was happy laurel it's a good group It's beautiful. But something, it's like, it's not my vibe now, no? Yeah, something shifted. Yeah, something shifted. Maybe I'm growing. Yeah. Because I started with really young, then I grew and I have two children. And working like from Monday to Sunday with different... times with different days difficult for me i want to be i want to decide my time what what to do with my time so to decide if working this day or not working this day um like i i was needed to be more a very well yes a mother that work but a mother they want to be with their child too

• Speaker #0

  That's something that happens really often that when you have a kid, especially when you're pregnant or when you desire to get pregnant, you revalue everything. Like, is it really worth it? Because I have a nice job, I have a nice salary, but is it really worth it to just spend all my time in a job instead of spending my time with people I love, my kids, my husband, etc. That's often a question, as you say also, you grow up. like the 25 years old that Anisha the no one the same the same life maybe and yeah everything shifts and it's something that happens very often that's a normal for a woman yeah yeah but obviously

• Speaker #1

  You have to think, no? Because that was a good contract. That is really difficult to find.

• Speaker #0

  Take courage to change.

• Speaker #1

  Yes, absolutely. Because I have two children.

• Speaker #0

  Exactly.

• Speaker #1

  I have two children now. But the salary was really good too. Yeah. Start all over from the beginning. It's really, really difficult. you I have a great husband that he told me, I think it's the time you have to do what you love and what you want to do. I'm here for you. So we can do it together. We can do it. We can do it. Don't worry. Try it. Yes. Leave the job. Try it. And then I'm here.

• Speaker #0

  So you have to... it makes it more easy to have someone that backs you up, like just leave your job and go 100% in what you love.

• Speaker #1

  Yes, it's not so easy to find someone that can, by your side, that helps you or stay. Because I was thinking if I was by just myself, a single mom, probably I could not do it, this one, this thing. But with my husband, we decided that we can do it together. you um it was more easy i was very lucky i understand that there is some mothers or that cannot choose to leave a job because it's a luxury to leave a job yeah it's a luxury yes to leave a job and do what you love it it could go well it cannot go well obviously uh but we have to try yeah try and i am Obviously, a lot more with my kids. I just, yes, I'm really tired, obviously.

• Speaker #0

  Why did I make that choice? Like, why? Why did I leave my job? Why did I do this to me?

• Speaker #1

  I don't know if it's the same for you, but I always say when I go to the job, It's my... it's it's not working for me it's like for me my first job is to do the mom exactly yes when i talk with my friends at the phone i have to work i have to go to work but they uh but why if you are home what do you have to work i have to take my kids at school i have to go but yeah this is my first work like go and stay with the kids yeah exactly exactly exactly well that's really that's really worth it even if it's very tiring to stay with the kids because like Absolutely.

• Speaker #0

  Sometimes like, like mommy, mommy,

• Speaker #1

  All the time.

• Speaker #0

  What?

• Speaker #1

  You have one. I have two.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  My oldest have seven years and the younger have two years.

• Speaker #0

  Okay.

• Speaker #1

  And they are completely different as a person. Like my older is the most kind, um, accent boy. so so so yeah and it's a really good boy my second one it's oh my god i don't know it's it's

• Speaker #0

  we say in italian morello you know it's really really intense yeah yeah people always say it's more difficult to pass from one to two than from... two to three because the second one like the first one is always like the first one is the baby kid the first one is really calm like my son is the same age because he's he was born in 2018 sorry 2018 i think you're yours too no my my first 2019 2019 so they're almost the same age it's seven years old too and uh you he was very like very calm even since when he was born like ill asleep he'll eat really a little bit of because the the the the pampers you need to change but just really no that's a perfect baby hungry that's all that's all very nice boy very and he he talks with people he's not like wow And I'm really afraid to have a second one because everybody, like everybody, everyone says the second one is a disaster.

• Speaker #1

  The second one is that one that you can say, I have like chills when I...

• Speaker #0

  Five children. The second one counts for four.

• Speaker #1

  Yes. I don't know if it's the terrible two, no, because there is this terrible two. But mine is terrible one, two, and I think it's going to be... more than three four yes it's really well actually the terrible two might mean terrible second you know i think it's more terrible second yeah my husband is like i don't want more kids okay

• Speaker #0

  talking about kids uh let's go more about your um your journey because you are from peru And yeah, you came to Italy when you were young, like 13 years. So like we were talking in Italian because we were talking off the podcast that like your Italian accent like is very like you have Italian accent when you speak Italian. I forgot you were from Peru. And that's something that's very, very I'm attached to because I'm also an immigrant. I'm from Nigeria. I lived in Italy for like... three years and then uh i'm in i'm in france since uh 17 years now like uh like and i will say like when i speak italian i have the italian accent let's even say romano yes you have the roman accent

• Speaker #1

  when you start to talking it was like okay but i forgot to tell you yeah Yeah. speak like roman act with the roman accent that i see i i love roman accent the tuscany accent roman accent naples accent are my favorite ones i see napolitan napoli yes napoli napolitan i i love it too no no nobody accent is is very strong accent i feel like yes but that's italian thing yes yeah my husband is from apulia yeah yeah and then he has the apulian accent it's another one yeah um that one it's i don't know i don't like it too much but I am beautiful too. All the accents here are beautiful. Yes. But for me, Roman, Tuscany and Napoleon are the best.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, Roman, You have the Roman accent,

• Speaker #1

  absolutely.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. So previously you said that you did your, you passed your certificate at MAD, MAD, to be able to work internationally. Yes.

• Speaker #1

  that that would have been possible if you did like a like a normal certificate anywhere else um i i i don't know i think maybe it's an international school yeah that's why you can work with this certificate because it's an international school it's from america for it's it it he born in los angeles yeah in um and then moved to slovenia There is some in Slovenia, I think the first one that come in Europe, then we have now Milan, Roma. Yes, when they started to do math here, it was in English.

• Speaker #0

  Okay,

• Speaker #1

  I don't know if they, like now it's Italian because it's almost 10 years ago. So, um... Now they do it in Italian, but for the first years it was in English because some teachers were internationally.

• Speaker #0

  I thought it was because since you are from Peru, maybe you needed to do a special certificate.

• Speaker #1

  No, Just because I want to, when I was more young, I have it because now it's not more like this. I have the American dream. I want to go to America.

• Speaker #0

  I have a dream.

• Speaker #1

  I changed completely my mind.

• Speaker #0

  Okay.

• Speaker #1

  But I want to like the that I love to speak and work in English yeah I love to work with other people from all over the world wow yeah yes I love to to meet some person new person from all over so that's why I always be like travel and live in other places yeah but obviously now I have two children it's more difficult but I can do any of my work you for some days maybe I can move it so I searched something that could give me this possibility to work in other places too for this because I love to meet people from all over yeah okay and sorry sorry that's why I choose wedding destinations too yeah

• Speaker #0

  in fact like wedding destination is like very like Everybody dreams about wedding destination, etc. Like, wow, the must-have, the goal. Like, you know, when you're a makeup artist, everybody wants to be a destination makeup artist. But I feel it's not something for everyone, you know? Like, as you said, you love working with people from all over the world, from multicultural, multi-language, etc. but that's just the fun part you know that's that's the very fun part but there is also the the part that we don't really see on instagram because he's not really instagram instagramable like instagram friendly because like as you said your mother you have kids etc so uh it's sometimes do you feel sometimes challenging to um to have a career that's like yes you can decide off your time but you cannot decide of the wedding day of your clients you know obviously exactly so and sometimes you have to go away several days like i say i saw that lately you had a wedding in rome so for sure you have to go for several days so um yes do you feel the challenge or not really for you?

• Speaker #1

  I have to say that I'm really lucky because I have my mother. my and my husband that they stay with my kids yeah like if it's not my mother uh that they stay here with them um it's obviously my husband my husband is the first one that stay with my kids but obviously he works too yeah so sometimes uh it's my mother to stay here so i really lucky that I have both to say here, obviously, because... I understand that it's not so easy, but if I'm not having them, it would be really hard to leave. Like, because in Rome, I'll be there for three days. Yeah. And from Thursday to, no, sorry, from Wednesday to Sunday. Yeah. Wednesday to Saturday, sorry. Wednesday to Saturday. So it was, there was a school, there was the job. Yeah, so. My mother leaves the job sometimes and can come here to help me with this thing, yes. And obviously when my husband is at home, because sometimes he's at home, they're working from home, he says, okay, it's not a problem, I can do it. I can do it, so I have this luxury thing too, because it's not so common too. I think when I see maybe other American parties that cannot leave the babies, it's more difficult, obviously. So I feel so lucky to have my mother that helped me too.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, because often people think that you can only make that only being like when you're young, when you don't have kids, when you don't have a family life. It's possible. Like I had my son, I was 20 years old and my husband is actually a military. So he's like never, never home. Almost never at home. But like, until now, I was very, very lucky that every time I had to go away, he was always at home. Like, he may go away like for six months. But anytime I need to go away, he's like at home. So there was a period, I remember the first year I really started traveling for work. I remember like sometimes you will be out of the home for like... one month, he will come back, then I'll leave the next day, and I'll come back, and then he will leave, like, it was always, like, um,

• Speaker #1

  okay, like, okay, yeah,

• Speaker #0

  the first year I really started moving for work, it was really, really tough, because I didn't, like, there was one year, like, we're, we're together since nine, nine years now, but you can remove one year. you know so when and when he said he's uh he's like uh six months away and six months at home it depends sometimes like actually now since last year he's not moving a lot because he he changed uh the department he's working actually uh but before he was one of the the the people that used to move a lot like he couldn't move like usually like four months then after four to five months and after sometimes one month sometimes two months sometimes one day sometimes two days two weeks it depends but at the end like it was at home like maybe two three months in a year so um that was a lot but i had i was really lucky because i in my in my for me i don't have parents you know i don't have parents that can take care of my kid so I'm only me my son and my husband and I'm also lucky that I have good neighborhood like a very good neighborhood yeah and uh yeah sometimes like when it's not possible because my husband's that early well is my neighbor that will take brian to school and then after my husband won't pick them up or sometimes the neighbor that pick them up so i have a very good neighborhood i'm very well surrounded oh that's nice yeah that really helps i think to uh i think yeah the is you don't need to like if for the people listening to the people listening like you don't really need to be young or without kids or uh to be uh to to start doing destination weddings like if you want you can like uh yes there is always a solution exactly you have to find a solution obviously yeah yeah yeah it's not easy because obviously it's not easy if you are but

• Speaker #1

  uh if you really like it you can try maybe oh it's more easy to do it uh something in in in this area no like milano but you can move it to try maybe one one to traveling maybe the other month another exactly yes so increase gravity exactly it's like mine because like the my my the first year from my my child my second child uh milan is fooled from child in for like baby but um How do you say nido?

• Speaker #0

  Nido, the kindergarten.

• Speaker #1

  I have no space for my baby for the first year. So I cannot move it because I've been there with him, like, always, all the day. Like, I cannot go to work. I'm starting, like, to move it a little bit. I'm starting to do my things. to increase maybe some makeups with my page, start working with other things. So then when my baby go to the kindergarten, I can travel. I can go, obviously, when he start to go. It's more easy. I started really gradually.

• Speaker #0

  Gradually, yeah,

• Speaker #1

  gradually. I started really gradually, yes.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. you know what that that was because my son is like seven years old now and we are be trying to have a second kid and for a long time i was really uh i was really stressed about the fact that imagine if i get pregnant i have to labor during the wedding season etc so i was like planning to get pregnant at a certain moment to not have to work like you know and i feel that was very very stressful for me because like for the first one i didn't even think about it i was like i just want a kid let's go for the kid and that's all but for the second one is more reflecting but now i'm like if i have to breastfeed during a wedding i would breastfeed during the wedding you know like i'll just come with a nanny with me and then do the bride and then after go breastfeed like you can always find option you can always find a way to um to adapt your your work to your personal life because mostly you try to adapt your personal life to your work and that's not very the best way to go like in long terms it's not really the best way to go because as you said you had the good work you had a good salary but at the end you choose something that was more um more uh more good for your personal life at the end so now what the do you mostly work in milan or other places I work in other, like all the venues, obviously, it's like one hour or two hours from Milan. So yes, sometimes I work from two hours to three hours from Milan, like Ferrara. I have in Tuscany, I have two weddings in Tuscany. Yeah. One in Ferrara, in Como. And like close to Milano, Bergamo, it's like the same as Como, it's one hour. Yeah. From here to Como, it's one hour. Yes. Yes, I travel. Like, I never go to more down than Rome. Okay. No, Just here in this part from the north.

• Speaker #1

  No Amalfi wedding yet.

• Speaker #0

  No, I would love.

• Speaker #1

  What would be your dream destination for a wedding? Because you're talking like, yeah, I work in Milan, Como, Ferrara, Tuscany. Like, oh, yeah. Like, I take a cup of coffee and then I go to a wedding in Tuscany. Like, okay, super.

• Speaker #0

  I'm like,

• Speaker #1

  girl, girl, I want to work there.

• Speaker #0

  I think I'm lucky because I'm here, obviously.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. in Italy so yeah but you are you have the reason yeah yeah yeah because let me just tell to people because oh she was saying like Italy don't have a lot of nice place huh you know like it's very small you know it's not really interesting you know I'm like what the yeah no I say you have beautiful places in France too because

• Speaker #0

  you have castles like more castles than italy yeah but you have the villas yeah there'd be a lot of villas yes a lot of them but it's true it's so stunning i

• Speaker #1

  don't know if you know uh lake maggiore laco maggiore sorry i know by name but i've never been I don't want to say that it's better,

• Speaker #0

  but it's better. really close to Como. I think they have a lot of beautiful villas too. But Como is like more... it's...

• Speaker #1

  more international, you know?

• Speaker #0

  Like now it's really Instagrammable. Yeah,

• Speaker #1

  Instagram friendly, yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Yes, it's a lot famous because obviously all the famous come here and they make the weddings here so... I think everything starts with John Legend and Chrissy Teigen wedding. So, and then comes another, They start there. But not all the people know that there is another lake. It's Lake Maggiore that happened in the last two. Yeah, but

• Speaker #1

  I feel Lake Como is a bit, like, a little bit going down. Like, I don't know, because there was a hype. but there is a lot but i feel that the hype is going is going like everything goes up and then comes yeah yeah yeah like tuscan is more interesting now i feel yeah como is uh tuscan it's really romantic too i think yeah yeah yeah yeah countryside romantic como it's more luxury more yeah definitely yes like like very bling bling not not bling bling i can't say like Like, yeah.

• Speaker #0

  like yeah i have money you know like yes and like yeah i i i love como yeah but like i i'm going to to merida next year so i was thinking maybe to go to toscany or um piedmont you know yeah yes yes all the langhe where there is a francia corta alba there is another places too to merida that's really nice too okay okay

• Speaker #1

  Is Milan a competitive sector or not really for makeup artists?

• Speaker #0

  Oh, we have a lot of makeup artists, yes. Yeah. Italians, obviously, yes. Maybe for wedding destinations, we are a lot for wedding destinations too, but not all the makeup artists speak in English very well. So I don't speak very well. I speak well, but...

• Speaker #1

  days no you speak very well oh thank you like you're doing a podcast in english i'm really hard to myself i always really hard to myself i know not too hard you're doing great you're doing great thank you yes um

• Speaker #0

  Oh. I think one of the important things a bride has to have in mind is that you need to talk and communicate really well with your makeup

• Speaker #1

  artist. Or even every vendor, any vendor.

• Speaker #0

  Yes, exactly. And so you need to know and to speak very well English to work with them, obviously. and to understand what what the brides want no so we are a lot of destination makeup artist but we're not to italian obviously here in milan so milan works for it's out for like the milan brides

• Speaker #1

  no and all the tuscany and como there is a lot of destination okay okay okay that's that's interesting that's very interesting and um Yeah, no, that's, um, how do you, what do you think, um, like if someone wants to, wants to go on, on the, on the market, like, um, because you also work in Barcelona, I saw on your Instagram.

• Speaker #0

  Yes. I, I strive to, to working in Barcelona because I have a lot of, I have, I have my, my brother-in-law that lives there.

• Speaker #1

  So in French you say pied-à-terre. That means you have a place to stay when you go to...

• Speaker #0

  Exactly Yes, I want to start to travel to Barcelona too because I have a place to stay. And it's not so easy to find in Barcelona. It's really hard to find some place in Barcelona, but in Madrid too. I have a big... From my mother, I have a big family and they live in Madrid.

• Speaker #1

  Okay.

• Speaker #0

  My husband, he has her brother-in-law there. So I want to start to travel to work in Barcelona. Like I'll be there for one month in August.

• Speaker #1

  Okay.

• Speaker #0

  So I was talking with some makeup artists that work there for assisting there. Assisting, yeah. For a large, for a bridesmaid or that. things because I don't know if you see but Barcelona have beautiful venues too yeah

• Speaker #1

  Spain is becoming famous for wedding also people are now turning to like for now it was like Mexico Italy, France Greece but

• Speaker #0

  Spain is becoming place to be Mallorca maybe is a little bit more far from Barcelona but you

• Speaker #1

  uh yes it's an interesting place to to work so i want to go there to work too um i will try maybe this summer i will start so it's very interesting because like you are a very humble person because like you are in the industry since like more than 20 years you've worked for l'oreal you like you you you know what you're doing you you have experience but you're going to to stay in Barcelona for one month and you still contact makeup artists to assist them with all the experience you have and I think that's very very very it's not humble like it's obvious to do that but some people don't really think it's like it's valuable to assist but there is a real value assisting someone because that person is going to help you enter a market that you couldn't maybe enter by yourself you have to try everything Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  right at that point and you have to like the best i cannot work in never one no you have to try and if i want to start in the place obviously i would love to have brides i'm trying to start in barcelona with right but i i i have to be realized that i don't know any any any venues i didn't see any venues i don't know how they work i don't know how what spanish were persons there yeah so i need to uh start somewhere yeah so i prefer to start there and make a network for other with other makeup artists working like this and maybe next year i will have my brides from there yeah so in italy it's the same like i have obviously have my brides too But if another colleague, another makeup artist called me, like the wrong wedding that you see on Instagram, is a makeup artist from a wedding destination, they call me, look, I have three persons to do, I need some help, do you want to come with me? And obviously I say yes. Yeah. Why not? Yeah. They bring me experience. They bring me to, like I say, I want to know another person from all over the world. This is from a Nepal, Indian Nepal wedding. So I met a lot of people. I see Indian wedding, like what's really beautiful. Oh, wow. So why not? Yeah. You have to connect. You have to do networking.

• Speaker #1

  Exactly.

• Speaker #0

  Or like... One thing that I do when I quit my job, when I leave my job, it's okay. What I have to do now? I don't have an Instagram that works because I work with L'Oreal. So I don't think to my Instagram.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, exactly.

• Speaker #0

  I never have an Instagram for a makeup art for my job. So what I have to do? I have to start somewhere. What I have to do? So I take it. I write to venues i write to other makeup artists i write to wedding planners and sometimes they reply me sometimes they're not so but i find some a lot of connection from that mail so yeah but obviously it's like 10 from the 100 that they replied me but yeah even if it's one percent at least you you have a response like you Yeah, I have a response. Then I have a really fine wedding planner that they become really friends now. So we work a lot together. But they start like this. Like I'm writing and I say, hi, I'm Anisha. I'm a makeup artist. I would love to meet you and to present myself and working together maybe one day. you You can discover that she's like my neighbor because she lives here.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I would like to have a neighbor in my wedding planner as a neighbor.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. It was really fun.

• Speaker #1

  A late Como wedding planner, please.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, yeah. I write it to Como wedding planners. I write it to everybody.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  You have to start. You don't need to have an Instagram. I have 300 followers in my Instagram. Yeah. Yeah, really. It's really small, my Instagram. But I'm working because I'm doing networking. It's the first thing everybody has to do.

• Speaker #1

  Real life. Real life networking.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. Yes, Instagram, it's everything. But sometimes you have to be seen. You have to have a lot of followers.

• Speaker #1

  I don't know.

• Speaker #0

  I don't have time to have a lot of followers to start to work. So I start to work and then I have,

• Speaker #1

  I follow. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Nice. You're saying like, yeah, you don't have a lot of, you don't have a lot of followers, but you have amazing weddings. Well, let's say that your location helps, but let's say that having a wedding planner as a neighbor helps. Okay.

• Speaker #0

  But that's what's up. really lucky like you can just go and want hey one cafe it starts like this like i see that she likes uh she have a love a laboratory just here he goes and say you know i'm here when i make a party it's your worthy plan we can take a coffee i live in this place and like and she said oh my god i live in this place too it's taking a coffee and like it starts everything there yeah

• Speaker #1

  Sometimes it's very simple. Like, it don't take a lot. Like, you just find something in common and then after.

• Speaker #0

  But then you have to start somewhere.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  You have to do it that things. Maybe you sometimes we think, oh, I need to have this to have the other things. I have to wait to have this to this thing.

• Speaker #1

  No.

• Speaker #0

  You will have this thing when you start.

• Speaker #1

  Exactly.

• Speaker #0

  yeah you have to be to start to have everything yeah exactly exactly well if you need an assistant i said oh obviously yeah if you need a decision i am here for you yeah by the way are you available on september 5th 5th 5th or 15th 5th 5 september 5th yes now september i have one uh i have one no no okay i have to win one with ching kue and one at 19.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, always, always. I was lucky because the fifth was my only date in September that was still available. And I received, like I told you before, I received four inquiries this week. Two on same date and two on same date next year. So I'm like, okay, fifth, I'm available. So happy. But I was like, maybe Anisha, but I'll see during the podcast if she's available. But I'll keep in mind, it is in Paris.

• Speaker #0

  Wow.

• Speaker #1

  It's like a huge bright-up party, 10 people, but it's still in discussion. But I'll see if it goes ahead. But it's with a wedding planner that, like, you know, we're talking about networking. Because, like, you can network in real life. But networking on Instagram is also important. Because, like, okay, having a good, a lot of followers, okay. But that doesn't bring money. Like, what brings money is what you do with your followers. Like. On Instagram, I don't really interact a lot with people. I choose the people I interact with. I don't interact with random people. I don't know. I prefer to do quality than quantity. And one day, I was watching some stories. And I saw this wedding. I was like, wow, amazing. I would love to work in this kind of wedding, etc. and i contacted the wedding planner was like oh wow you are doing that the the wedding is stunning like i just said like just a message like oh wow etc like really excited because not just like stunning just to say that like you write like every time i see stunning on their comments i'm like i imagine the people like stunning you know you know like people are like stunning but they don't care you know but no I was really like oh my god it's amazing etc and then the wedding planner just go and look at my work and she was like oh i love your work could you please send me your brochure so i can see i can contact you etc so i sent that i sent my brochure and then after i discovered that this this wedding planner uh she works at changrila in paris like those weddings in such a place i was like oh and she want my brochure you know like like sometimes people see people think it's very difficult to to to find contacts etc but sometimes just be like be be genuine with your interaction with people like oh would you like to drink a coffee or would you be genuine of it be genuine and talk with people talk to get interested in them and maybe one day you come to assist me in in france and i would love i would hope one day i will come to

• Speaker #0

  Italy no matter where I'm coming even for free no no we will have a free opportunity you know no no no there is one thing that I don't do because I don't like it it's like to asking something for free it can work almost one day maybe if I will have followers and everything no it's not it can work I don't like it when When they ask me to for free. So I don't know. No, They ask me a lot to do something for free sometimes. But that's things that when you start, you do it.

• Speaker #1

  When you start, the first year. Yes. After you stop.

• Speaker #0

  I do it. I do it after I leave my job. Obviously, I do something because I need to put something in my Instagram too.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  But then you have to be like two or three and working really good with them.

• Speaker #1

  to maybe the other things you have to do it yeah you have to see the outcome of it you know you have to see if if like as i say a lot to my student because i have some i do some coaching and as i say to my student like the first year you can do free the second year you reflect before you accept free the third year free must be and must be bring you an outcome unless you don't accept like like i even tell that even now i am capable of setting some things Because I know that will bring me more in the future, you know.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, you have to choose really well. Yeah,

• Speaker #1

  really wisely. Yeah,

• Speaker #0

  it has to be something that comes to you and then works for you. Yeah. Not only for the other person. Exactly. It works for you before the other one.

• Speaker #1

  Exactly. Yeah, it's important.

• Speaker #0

  It's very important. You have to do some free stuff, it's normal. Yeah. Yeah, it's always, but I really like to pay the people.

• Speaker #1

  Maybe that's why, because in fashion, because you said you worked in fashion. Oh, yes. Because in fashion, I feel like.

• Speaker #0

  A nightmare.

• Speaker #1

  The big air makeup artists are free walkers.

• Speaker #0

  After I finished the math school, math helps a lot to the students to find something in fashion. The math school helps a lot. But always, always, everything was free. If I see the picture, okay, the jobs, I say, oh, meno male. Meno male, it was free. Like, it's okay that it was free because it was. It was the beginning. So it was really bad, my first shoot. Oh, my God. But then everything that comes was free, Yeah,

• Speaker #1

  always collaboration.

• Speaker #0

  Always collaboration. That's why when L'Oreal called me, I said yes, obviously.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah,

• Speaker #0

  So, because it was like, I can't remember. Was it the 30% of the jobs that I do in fashion was payment?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, that's really a big problem because, like, fashion is, like, luxury. Like, they show luxury. They show dresses that can go, like, 100,000 just for one dress. Yes. But still, the makeup artists work for free.

• Speaker #0

  They look the experience, obviously. They look when you finish the school. So, yes, you have to.

• Speaker #1

  to always free but i think that's something to really change in the industry because i always dream to work in the in fashion like my dream my dream uh still today is to work in the fashion week at least once just for fun you know just for fun so even if it's free i'll go because it's a dream just for fun but like it's not normal to say like with the experience i have like going to work for fashion week that is something internationally known that you're ready to go work for free because you know that you you have like one chance out of four to be paid so like you're ready to do anything i think that's why they're they they still continue that because they know many people are ready to do that you feel lucky to work there yeah yeah yes

• Speaker #0

  and you're not there is scam this scam yeah i really don't like it the energy too bad for me not too bad you I really like the relaxing. Obviously, sometimes the weddings are not relaxing, but...

• Speaker #1

  No, it's something else, like emotion, relax, like... Yes,

• Speaker #0

  Italians are really wild sometimes on the wedding day, but it's good. I really like it.

• Speaker #1

  They are really what? Wild?

• Speaker #0

  Italians' weddings today are really wild sometimes. Ah,

• Speaker #1

  wild.

• Speaker #0

  They are wild, wild. It's okay.

• Speaker #1

  okay yeah italian are very they're also very loud no yes yes i remember italians are loud like okay french are really oh small little little little little little really yeah yeah like sometimes i'm talking like my normal voice and people are like oh stop shouting like i'm just talking yeah in italy like It's normal, everybody's like, Hey, what's up? Hey, how are you?

• Speaker #0

  It's like coffee. Every hour. Every minute.

• Speaker #1

  Coffee, good coffee. Long, short,

• Speaker #0

  as you want. Sugar, milk, macchiato. No, my husband is like this. I have coffee every hour.

• Speaker #1

  Oh my God. Oh my God.

• Speaker #0

  I don't know how he can drink so much coffee.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, my God. Time's running. So nice. Well, I'm going to ask you some signature question of the podcast. It was so lovely chatting to you today. Like, oh, my God, I didn't see the time fly. But just to say a little bit that this podcast was created, like, after a big challenge I had. you I like asking to my guests what is your bigger challenge you have in your career since you started and what did you learn from this challenge?

• Speaker #0

  Challenge like something really difficult for me.

• Speaker #1

  Something really difficult, something that gone very bad and that was like oh my god I'm going to stop I can't continue.

• Speaker #0

  Oh like always like I think the most challenging thing is that I'm really hard with myself. That's true. In everything. Everything I do, I can do it better. It's beautiful. No matter if the bride is really happy. It's like I come back and I see the picture and I say, I can do better. I cannot do this thing. But then... I have to quiet myself and say, okay, keep calm and look it with other eyes. Because you are doing your best. You're trying to do your best. You're doing your, you ask to yourself, are you doing your best, Anisha? And you say, yes. I say, okay, that's a good job. That's the thing that comes with me every time. I don't have a challenge. Never happened to me something that I can work like and I can do it. But the most difficult part for me, it's myself.

• Speaker #1

  Like you're your biggest challenge. Yes. Yeah. We call it here.

• Speaker #0

  That's I forgot the name. Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Autosabotage.

• Speaker #0

  ways that's the most challenging and i'm trying to do to to be more um to be more nice with myself sometimes yeah i feel like an imposter the imposter syndrome bravo yeah the imposter syndrome is very high yeah i think that that it's more in my life yeah that's the imposter syndrome yeah i know that i can do it i know that i work well i know i like what i do but i always say Anishinaabemowin.

• Speaker #1

  you have to do better yeah yes yeah it's not good enough yeah like what what's the shape like what yeah sometimes i like to come back to my work like the next day or even one week later because i always happen to you too yeah i really understand because like sometimes i when i when i work i look at my work i'm like what's this but i never say because like i always prefer to the bright tool give an impression before i say anything because sometimes like especially on trial days you know sometimes i'll do a makeup uh and i'm like oh my god she's going to hate this is is awful etc and the bride is like she's almost crying because oh my god it's amazing thank you very much i'm like uh uh you're welcome are you sure like yes it happens to me too yeah and i'm like hopefully she doesn't see that the aligner is not good.

• Speaker #0

  And it's something that we see because, yeah, it's always easy. You know what I do when I see something like I'm doing eyes now and I say, oh, my God, this one is really bad. I have to touch it. But I say, OK, Anisha, try to do other things like pass to the skin, finish the skin and then back to the eyes.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  You will see a completely different thing.

• Speaker #1

  Exactly. Exactly.

• Speaker #0

  You will see that it's not so bad. It's just to adjust or maybe not.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, exactly.

• Speaker #0

  It happens always to me too. But I have something that challenges me. Okay. I work with Italian brides and I work with destination brides.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  And I don't know if it happens to you, but they are completely different.

• Speaker #1

  Different. French and destination are completely different clients.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. For me, it's more easy. I'm sorry. It's more... Difficult to understand, not to understand, but to work with Italian brides because they don't like to do makeup too much.

• Speaker #1

  Italian and French, they're the same. I thought Italian like makeup.

• Speaker #0

  No, I have like two trials that I do the makeup and the bride didn't like it because for the bride was too much. but I understand that she doesn't wear makeup. And I really don't put anything on. Nothing.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  But for her, it was too much.

• Speaker #1

  Okay.

• Speaker #0

  I have to take off all the eyeshadow.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  I have to take off the light gloss.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  The only thing that she liked was the skin.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, good. Yes,

• Speaker #0

  so she wants just the makeup for the skin. Mascara And maybe, I don't remember if it was a lipstick or just a gloss.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. The other thing that I put like a minimal eyeshadow and a little bit of eyeliner.

• Speaker #1

  Was too much.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, it was too much.

• Speaker #1

  Okay. I had the bra like this in my first year. Like, yeah, the first year I started doing makeup because I started doing only hair. and after I started doing makeup and then I had three brides in a row because they were like, I don't like wearing makeup. We do the trial. And then for the wedding day, they were like, I don't want foundation. I'm like, am I the problem? I thought I was the problem. But fortunately, I talked with another makeup artist and she said, no, me too. So that gave me like, I was more like, okay, maybe I'm not the problem. so on the wedding day i was like is she really going to like the makeup with that foundation is she really going to like it and like she gave me a review i was like wow yeah a review is still pinned until today yeah yeah like i thought she was going to hate the makeup like how can you get married without foundation i thought she was going to hate it And she gave me like a review, like as long as a page on compliments.

• Speaker #0

  You know, sometimes we need to understand that what we like, it's not the same as the makeup.

• Speaker #1

  Exactly.

• Speaker #0

  But the other part, you have to choose really well the makeup artist too.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  But you see on Instagram, it's something on my page, like it's really natural, my makeup, but it's makeup. It's makeup. I put makeup it's not like natural makeup it's like soft really soft makeup but it's makeup so you have i i i i begin in talking with this with this bride and say my makeup it's makeup if you want to see yourself like this you have to put a little bit more yeah i try i i always start with italian brands like this because uh they they usually use just a tiny tiny tiny tiny makeup yeah yeah yeah i thought that's my my my difficult challenges are italian brides because they don't want to wear almost yeah yeah but it's important you say it's important to really choose your makeup artist because choose someone that's going to listen to you because uh like

• Speaker #1

  sometimes ago i heard the old bride that was saying that on a wedding day uh she asked to have really little makeup but makeup artists will say no but on the picture you have to you have to see the makeup but makeup is not only makeup like you put on makeup makeup is also the way the person is going to feel so if she feel like shit with foundation or with eyeliner eyeshadow she's not going to be beautiful on the pictures but if she doesn't have foundation or lip gloss or eyeshadow but she feels really confident with the makeup you did, well, she's going to be beautiful in the picture. You have to really listen.

• Speaker #0

  You have to understand that sometimes, obviously, we're makeup artists, so we like to put...

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, more, more.

• Speaker #0

  Yes, absolutely. We like to play, to put things on the face, but the other person does not usually do these things.

• Speaker #1

  Sometimes less is more.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, it depends on the bride, obviously. But for me, I really like someone that obviously doesn't want to make up. Yes. And it's really, you have to learn to listen.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  I think that's one thing that we have to do more.

• Speaker #1

  Listen. That's nice. Yeah, I'm okay with that. And what's your biggest... Like the most amazing thing that happened to you during your career?

• Speaker #0

  Amazing things that happened to my career. Oh, it's always the reaction for the brides. It's something that you go happy with when you finish and you see they are really happy with your work. It's always a good feeling. But for now, I cannot say there is something think that it's wow so great i i would love to work obviously in in some villas like um that's one of the things that i want to do you know the villa balbianello balbiano like oh it's not so small anymore i'm joking no i know it's beautiful but now i say you that When you will see, you will see that it's small, it's not so big that like...

• Speaker #1

  Not even Villa Balbiano, I thought it was bigger than that. Villa Balbiano, like I've seen like Villa Balbiano with some beautiful decoration when I was there like, oh this Villa Balbiano, okay, okay, it's nice but okay.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, it looks more bigger in the picture and it's a little bit, it's not so big, that's nice. And yeah, but it's one of my, how do you say my dream or goal? My goal. Yes. With the bride.

• Speaker #1

  Yes. Okay. Okay. Well, I wish you all that. And I really hope we're going to work one day together and I hope we can get through. I think your episode will be, will come out after I'm, I'm coming to Lake Como. But I hope we can meet and take a coffee together.

• Speaker #0

  I write in my calendar that you will be here.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Then we... When you're here, we're talking when you say what you do. Perfect. Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Perfect. I don't drink coffee, but I can drink water.

• Speaker #0

  And alcohol, you don't drink Prosecco?

• Speaker #1

  No. No. I'm...

• Speaker #0

  You don't drink alcohol?

• Speaker #1

  no no no i drink only water or or ananas juice oh come on yeah like like if i drink alcohol like it can be like um i don't know if you have this in italy but in france there's a drink called monaco um it's like uh it's like some i think it's red beer with some um fruit syrup and uh like sprites It's like... it's a soda it's not alcohol yeah we we yeah we have the the beer the the normal beer with the sprite yes yeah but but with some fruit syrup because one time they put too much beer inside i was like oh can you remove beer and put more syrup i'm like this the the the bar mom was like

• Speaker #0

  what uh do you want beer or you want to like just i will bring i i will bring the juice from my kids for you yeah so you will be happy with this one i will put with the can perfect i will bring that in my purse for you that's

• Speaker #1

  good for me thank you so much anisha so if you have one last thing to say to like what should the people listening to us today What should people remember about the chat today?

• Speaker #0

  Oh, I think the tips that we do it, that we say it, some tips.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  I got to take it. And it was a nice chat. So really fun. So maybe they have this connection that we have too. And oh my God, I really didn't know.

• Speaker #1

  to say let me help you a little bit because i know this question is a little bit difficult but i would say what i would say to that people should remember about this today is that the fact that networking is really important because um being humble in the industry is important being humble that no matter the experience you have uh you can always learn like i'm younger younger than you but you you came and told me like if you need assistant and I'm here for it. And I'm also, I'm also there for that. And even for someone younger than me, I'll also go to assist that person. And even, I have to say, assisting is fun because you don't have the stress to, to take care of the emails, et cetera. You just go, you work and that's all. And you. Yes,

• Speaker #0

  absolutely. That's why I assistant at the Indian wedding. I say my, I see my friend like going crazy.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  bride and her sisters and I assisted with just the mothers and like I was like they love me yeah and I see like running people crazy people like and I was like oh my god

• Speaker #1

  normally that was here with them yeah so assisting is really really funny i feel like i'm going to assist it opens a lot of of doors yeah yeah it's something that everybody will have to this yeah

• Speaker #0

  yeah you want to start somewhere you can start like this and maybe the next time will be your your your wedding as well yeah yeah yeah yes i think assistant is a good thing to start Hmm. And networking absolutely is a thing we have to do.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, assisting networking and to listen.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, absolutely.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, assisting networking and listen. Oh, assisting networking and listen. Oh, assisting.

• Speaker #0

  Empathic?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, empathic. I think empathetic, empathic. Yeah, you guys understand. We're not English. Okay, actually I'm English. Oh, shit.

• Speaker #0

  I think it's something that you have to have. with this word is very important thank you yeah thank you to valentina it was really a pleasure nice and nice hours with you i hope to see you hope here in milano so yeah so

• Speaker #1

  we will see hope to see you soon bye bye thank you Thank you so much for listening. If this episode resonated with you, make sure to subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. It truly helps the podcast grow. You'll find all the details about today's guest, as well as how to connect with both of us in the show notes. And if you'd like to connect directly, you can find me on Instagram at ValentinaDenis. See you next week for more Real Talk.