Millie Bobby Brown & David Harbour, Sir David, Celebrity Traitors Finale, All Is Fair I House of Gossip | House of Gossip

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David Beckham has got his knighthood... much to Clara's dismay. The girls fantasise about how a few wrong turns for Clara could end into a rotten fruit protest out in the Cotswolds. Celebrity Traitors Finale is next on the list - what a way to end the season PLUS a Millie Bobby Brown & David Harbour update and a little top line from Sophie on All Is Fair with Kim Kardashian I House of Gossip I

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Speaker #0
Hello, good evening, good morning, good afternoon and good night. It is House of Gossip with me, Clara Kavner, and you, Sophie Lyons. We are here with your weekly dose of pop culture nourishment. Our sleeves are rolled up. We're two little hoglets at the trough of Goss ready to dive in. to this week's Celebrity Juice news, scandals, other dramatic events, etc. Sophie, how are you?
Speaker #1
I'm fabulous. Thank you so much for asking. Hello, New York.
Speaker #0
I knew when you started that hello that you were going to say New York.
Speaker #1
Good morning, New York City. We're recording this on a Friday morning and we've just finished Celebrity Charities, which we're going to talk about and I feel like we're quite amped up. I would say let's get right into J'adore and J'adest and then we can fly on out. Good morning, NYC!
Speaker #0
What are you J'adore and J'adest for the week?
Speaker #1
You won't be able to relate to it, but the trailer for Beverly Hills Housewives new season is coming up.
Speaker #0
Okay.
Speaker #1
Kyle Richards is saying she's bisexual finally, which is a big deal. It's gotten loads of coverage.
Speaker #0
Wow.
Speaker #1
And Rachel Zoe is in it. Do you remember Rachel Zoe?
Speaker #0
The stylist woman.
Speaker #1
What a flashback. Yeah, so she's divorced her husband of 25, if not 30 years. And so she's single again and back on it. Not back on it. She's single again and on it. And she used to have her own reality show, which I really, really enjoyed. I actually have her book as well. Yeah, so she's a new cast member in it. I'm very excited.
Speaker #0
Whoa.
Speaker #1
I think it's what they need. They've been struggling since Lisa Renner left. Like Rachel Zoe, I think is what they need.
Speaker #0
It's hard to fail when those big characters leave, isn't it?
Speaker #1
Especially because Rachel Zoe... is such a business persona, I suppose. But personally, it was always just her husband. Like her and her husband. I don't think she has a huge group of friends, but that could have been what I thought when I was a teenager. Like, that's probably not the case. But I'm dying to see what she's like socially.
Speaker #0
Great a dish. God, Andy Cohen really knows how to recruit. Did Julia Fox ever go on that New York one? I thought she would have been good. I would have watched that one.
Speaker #1
No, but someone told me there's rumours that the New York one is going back to the... the original cast, which would make my year.
Speaker #0
Who would that be?
Speaker #1
Like Luanne, you know, Countess Luanne.
Speaker #0
The Countess Luanne?
Speaker #1
The Countess. Ramona, Sonia, all those, which is like, it's the best TV you'll ever watch. If you're suffering from like seasonal affective disorder, low serotonin, you've broken up with someone, you hate your... manager you need to watch this will take you out of that it's the best thing ever also sorry just to side note Andy Cohen was on uh Call Her Daddy did you listen I saw a few clips yeah he didn't really give much ah come on like anything she was like who's the housewife you such and such the most and he'd be like oh that's a HR issue oh come on yeah like he's usually quite transparent but I was just like could you just give us some names and she's like literally her style of questioning is
Speaker #0
tea or coffee pink or purple bus or train chicken or beef chick it's very light touch and it's like um oh my god alex yeah like night time day time what she's done because she's
Speaker #1
completely captivated like millions of people but her interview style i think it's because it's so friend to friend would you say and like then obviously a bit of ego stroking yeah that's why people like going on it i just think you and i could do a better job yeah hey ho chicken or beef what gaza what are you what are you enjoying or is it testing i'm not enjoying anything i have another test somebody
Speaker #0
finally got their knighthood and i am raging i'm not gonna say it i'm not saying his title i'm just not You can't throw that many tantrums and get your way and then expect everybody to be happy for you.
Speaker #1
Can I just loop back to when you were like, the Victoria Beckham documentary and you were like trying to be neutral and like obviously couldn't because you can't stand them. When I saw it, I didn't even think about the fact that it had happened. I actually just thought how angry you would be.
Speaker #0
I heard him like his clip and he was like, King Charles was just so elegant. It was like, oh,
Speaker #1
he's more like King Charles would be so elegant.
Speaker #0
Okay, I've ranted and raved about him on previous episodes being a stingy bastard. He only wants his fucking title so he can charge more. It's a bit like winning an Oscar as an actor. Once you win the Oscar,
Speaker #1
I thought it was like ego,
Speaker #0
money, money,
Speaker #1
money,
Speaker #0
and greed, He said he got it for sport and charity, right? But like, the reason he didn't get it a while ago is because he was an ambassador for UNICEF, but only gave the minimum amount.
Speaker #1
I do have to question you there, sorry. The minimum amount is the minimum amount. So what's the big issue there?
Speaker #0
It's a million, but you have so much more money.
Speaker #1
But what's the issue with donating the minimum amount? I'm just wondering. I don't like that he's been knighted either. I'm just wondering.
Speaker #0
I think with a knighthood or the flag shaggery of it all, you have to go like above and beyond. And it just seems like he's like box tick, box tick. bitch about everyone. He called poor Catherine Jenkins to see you next Tuesday.
Speaker #1
Like, since those emails were leaked, that should have been like, no.
Speaker #0
You're never getting it. Like, I think it makes a mockery of the crown that they still gave it to this toddler who had a tantrum.
Speaker #1
I also just think anything worth getting like of prestige, you shouldn't vie for it.
Speaker #0
No. And like, the only reason he was in that queue for the Queen. The only reason.
Speaker #1
Do you remember like David Attenborough? Yeah. Like the reason he, I think he's the perfect person who should get it. Or like Stephen Fry. Is he Sir Stephen Fry?
Speaker #0
I think so.
Speaker #1
He should be anyway. You know those people and you're like, I doubt they're involved really. It feels like this one is, you know, for the Hollywood Walk of Fame, you've to pitch yourself to the committee. Yes,
Speaker #0
which nobody talks about.
Speaker #1
No, and it's a full proposal business plan. Like no one talks about it. And they're like, oh.
Speaker #0
You pay like 50 grand.
Speaker #1
Yeah, yeah. It's very false. He'll never be happy though.
Speaker #0
No. he's a hungry hippo.
Speaker #1
Also, can I just say, they celebrated his 50th but a few months ago and they had like five parties and then for the night they had another huge party and I'm like, the friends must be exhausted.
Speaker #0
All the gifting they'd have to do.
Speaker #1
Also, like, does he celebrate his friends?
Speaker #0
I'd love to know. I doubt it. I'd say he doesn't want to spend any money on them.
Speaker #1
I always wonder that about famous people. Do they celebrate their normal friends?
Speaker #0
I don't know. Well, You know, like they buy all their families houses and cars and stuff. But yeah, you wonder about the friends. But sorry, that Victoria Beckham documentary, the only friend we heard from was Eva Longoria. Like where are her actual... Removing the Spice Girls and her glitzy glam friends, where are the normal people?
Speaker #1
She has normal friends.
Speaker #0
Never see them. When I see them round about. Maybe they're just, I don't know. She never talks about, like in that documentary.
Speaker #1
I can't believe we're going back to the documentary.
Speaker #0
No, no, we won't. But, you know, there's never any reference of friends.
Speaker #1
What?
Speaker #0
Maybe it's quite a lonely life.
Speaker #1
No, you're just like, never see the friends.
Speaker #0
Don't exist.
Speaker #1
Let's not be mean about Victoria. This is about David.
Speaker #0
This is about David. But also, sorry, we've now entered like Cold War status with Brooklyn.
Speaker #1
I know. That's bad.
Speaker #0
The photo of them all there. So obviously I think just his parents in Victoria were laid in for the knighthood bit.
Speaker #1
But they had a family photo.
Speaker #0
Yeah. And that photo is quite haunting.
Speaker #1
It's very haunting because it's quite Victorian looking.
Speaker #0
It is. And they're all doing They're like all in black like Victorian children.
Speaker #1
But someone, I saw somewhere that like Nicola put up a post the same day.
Speaker #0
Did she?
Speaker #1
Something like that to kind of be like, he's here.
Speaker #0
But like he didn't Brooklyn didn't post anything Like a congratulations or anything But he didn't post anything about his birth His 50th either like Yeah sorry
Speaker #1
50th is a big birthday And they missed four parties
Speaker #0
And knighthood is like If you can't But maybe he's doing it behind the scenes You just don't know But he Just you want This feud I think has gone a bit dark now I just think that's quite He's quite estranged If you're not At your dad's knighthood Oh he's so estranged I'd love to hear some audio tapes of that
Speaker #1
of their fighting.
Speaker #0
I know. We need Harper.
Speaker #1
Yeah, we do.
Speaker #0
We need her to do it all.
Speaker #1
Oh my God.
Speaker #0
I'd love if she did those like confessional TikToks or those like sleuthing TikToks.
Speaker #1
I actually have a link to her.
Speaker #0
Do you?
Speaker #1
I won't say the link. Not that I would get anything out of the link, but the link, when I heard it, I was like, oh.
Speaker #0
Wow. Yeah. Six degrees. Well, I'm sure if you go to Soho Farmhouse enough, you'll see them.
Speaker #1
One of my friends, I've never seen them there. One of my friends was there and the whole crew came in. The whole family came in.
Speaker #0
Sure, you were there once and Trevor Nelson was there. Now that's my David Beckham.
Speaker #1
That was way better, to be honest. I saw Trevor Nelson and I think it was on the same trip. And Natalie Imbruglio was next to me at lunch.
Speaker #0
What?
Speaker #1
Did I tell you this?
Speaker #0
No.
Speaker #1
I think it was the same trip. I went down with...
Speaker #0
Was it so hard not to sing her song?
Speaker #1
I was just like, what is she eating? What's she ordering? She looked unbelievable. wow amazing but yeah Trevor Nelson and her and there was someone else that day I think there was three slabs I need to go there we should go there you probably get angry because it's right next to their house yeah I probably try egg the house you probably be like throwing rotten fruit over the tomatoes rotten fruit over the thing
Speaker #0
I would not be buying best self
Speaker #1
I really I would I regret how my future no you'd be in last night's pajamas with an overcoat and runners like Harold Frazzle like having such a wink like you basically came through the bush with rotten fruit People would be like, who's that loon at the front gate? And you'd be like, you know, there's people who just go off.
Speaker #0
I'll never call you sir!
Speaker #1
But you'd be so delirious. So it wouldn't be making sense.
Speaker #0
I wouldn't see sense and I wouldn't make sense.
Speaker #1
And anyone trying to talk to you, you'd just be like, no! And you'd have an exact support like, no! I'll never call you sir! It would be like that.
Speaker #0
I was like, no one's asking you to. Please go back to your room.
Speaker #1
Oh, that's a funny visual. Oh,
Speaker #0
that was funny. Like it's so not far from what I would actually do.
Speaker #1
A hundred percent.
Speaker #0
Not my best self. It would be the worst to me.
Speaker #1
I can imagine what you'd be wearing.
Speaker #0
It's definitely pajamas.
Speaker #1
runners maybe a welly boot i'm not sure we'll decide on the day yeah because it's kind of cotswolds but it's quite far sorry it's very forestry around there like the so farmhouses is in the middle of nowhere but it's stunning wow so i can just imagine you kind of you know like mud splattered yes from like twigs in your hair and stuff can we do this somebody's coat like not my own no it would be like a larger man's coat you know like when bridget jones was on Calling for its coat.
Speaker #0
Exactly that. And I'd probably do something stupid like try to rob his bees and then just end up in a hospital with a load of bee stings.
Speaker #1
With a jar of the honey. No, I'm not giving it back.
Speaker #0
All this honey all over me.
Speaker #1
Toothless.
Speaker #0
Somehow, yeah, toothless.
Speaker #1
You've lost your teeth along the way. Oh, that's very funny.
Speaker #0
It's just rage. They just burst on.
Speaker #1
You're like Anne Hathaway in Les Mis.
Speaker #0
That's exactly right.
Speaker #1
That's very funny. Right.
Speaker #0
Okay.
Speaker #1
Moving on. Oh, Slap Traders. Now.
Speaker #0
Here we go.
Speaker #1
We didn't watch it at the same. It's Friday morning, so it just finished last night. I watched it live. You watched it maybe an hour later. So we didn't, I didn't tell you anything. I just said it was a roller coaster. Whoa.
Speaker #0
Was it so?
Speaker #1
It was so good. But like in another world, I would have loved if they believed Joe.
Speaker #0
I know.
Speaker #1
Nick swapping to Joe at the very end. I was like, it must just play tricks on your mind. I'm delighted Kat was out. I'm so delighted.
Speaker #0
Kat was so steadfast the whole time. And then... just in the last few episodes just couldn't back herself. But also like, hello, numbers game here. There's three traitors. One of them has to be a woman. We've only caught one traitor. It has to be Kat. She was the last girl left.
Speaker #1
Oh yeah, I didn't think about the gender thing.
Speaker #0
Yeah, like it had to be her.
Speaker #1
Imagine they did an all-woman traitors.
Speaker #0
Yeah, that would be good.
Speaker #1
Like a celebrity one. Whoa.
Speaker #0
Yeah, because people do the numbers game. So that's why it wasn't, there was all men in this, one of the seasons of the Muggle one. but um Alan played such a blinder when he flipped on Joe, when Joe said, like, oh, I love you, Kat. Because Joe was that deciding factor for Kat.
Speaker #1
No, Nick was the big rogue one for me.
Speaker #0
He was the surprise rogue. And, like, the two smartest people, like, David and Nick, to be that smart and be so wrong. Like, David was definitely in the Kate Garraway club of, like, I haven't got a clue.
Speaker #1
I'm flabbergasted. Was he?
Speaker #0
He was so bad. Yeah. Flabbergasted. Kate and David were just shocking from start to finish. They were consistent.
Speaker #1
And they actually butted heads. Yeah.
Speaker #0
The two worst players.
Speaker #1
And she was like, I feel like you're... And he's like, that's exactly what I'm saying. I thought that was really mean. I didn't like the way they pig piled on Kate Garroway. Oh,
Speaker #0
yeah. I know. But like, she didn't have an opinion. So I think it was kind of a bit like...
Speaker #1
She was watching the final with Alan last night.
Speaker #0
I saw on his Instagram. Yeah.
Speaker #1
Oh, sorry, when he burst out crying, though, I was like, oh. Like, I thought it was very sweet the way they were like, they're like, no, no, don't worry. I thought it was very sweet.
Speaker #0
I know, because he was so in their face. And it was so funny that they were comforting him because he won and they lost.
Speaker #1
Because I think, you know, the way they were like, oh, my God, kind of pointing the finger, and then he burst out crying. You would go, oh, I'm a traitor. I assume you'd feel awful.
Speaker #0
Yeah. Because I think the traders, I'm so happy when the traders do win because they've way more balls in the air. It's such a harder job.
Speaker #1
Yeah.
Speaker #0
Like the faithfuls you live in fear because you're like, when am I going to be murdered? I can't speak up because I'll get murdered. You know, you're just thinking of that. Whereas the traders have so much more coordinating to do. I just think they actually deserve the win more.
Speaker #1
And strategy.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
It was my first time watching it. I loved it. I thought it was so good.
Speaker #0
15 million people watched it, watched the series. That's one in four in the UK. Nice.
Speaker #1
But isn't that what TV should be about? Tuning in live.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
I'm sick of this streaming garbage.
Speaker #0
I know.
Speaker #1
But I don't like the Wednesday, Thursday night.
Speaker #0
No, it should have been Sunday, Monday. Get us through the hardest part of the week.
Speaker #1
Yeah.
Speaker #0
Yeah, or like Monday, Tuesday.
Speaker #1
What are we competing with? Is there like Strictly or something?
Speaker #0
Oh, probably.
Speaker #1
Annoying.
Speaker #0
And what's nice about it is it was like, well, the normal version is three episodes. That's two. But like you could easily catch up, you know, with bigger shows like Don't Get Me Wrong, like I'm watching Big Brother and I'm a Celeb is coming out. But like if you miss a week, you've got like five, six, seven episodes to catch up on. Oh yeah,
Speaker #1
it'd be like Love Island or I'm a Celeb, yeah.
Speaker #0
Exactly. And it's really hard to catch up. Whereas Celeb Traders, I think what works for them is... The two episodes a week, you could catch that up in an evening.
Speaker #1
You're so right about Sunday, Monday.
Speaker #0
Yeah, I thought Wednesday, Thursday was annoying.
Speaker #1
It's just a really random time.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
I thoroughly enjoyed it. I will absolutely be watching the muggle version, as you call it.
Speaker #0
Yeah, I think it's out in February.
Speaker #1
Would you want to be a traitor or a faithful?
Speaker #0
I think the traitors was definitely more fun. But I don't know if I have the strategy mindset. But I would be worried if I was a faithful. And then, you know, there's so much of like trusting your gut and going with instincts and getting it wrong. I think it would absolutely destroy my sense of gut-brain connection because I'd be like, I thought I knew one thing. I think it would hammer that relationship to pieces.
Speaker #1
And you're a very gut girl.
Speaker #0
Only recently.
Speaker #1
Oh, I always think you're such a gut lady.
Speaker #0
But like, sorry, in the last like five, six years. Oh, yeah, yeah. In my 20s, that was a complete holy show mess. But I've worked very hard to build it. And then if I went on Traders as a Faithful and I had people tricking me all the time, I'd be the toothless wonder from Les Mis outside Dave Beckham's house. That's what happened to me.
Speaker #1
I think I'd want to be a traitor.
Speaker #0
Yeah, you'd be a good one.
Speaker #1
They were saying, if you're just really hard to read about Joe. I said, Joe. And that's the feedback I always get, especially in a professional environment.
Speaker #0
Yeah. That's why I think you and Joe would get on. That's why I see why you fancy him.
Speaker #1
Oh, I totally vibe. But then I Googled last night being like, is it good or bad to be hard to read? And they were like, it can be good or bad. I was like, all right, okay.
Speaker #0
Oh, can we just take a moment though and talk about the final...
Speaker #1
Oh, I know what you're going to say.
Speaker #0
Outfits of what they're all wearing. Who briefed them?
Speaker #1
Well, whoever briefed Nick, he got the brief.
Speaker #0
A velveteen rabbit. Like He's so tiny.
Speaker #1
He is tiny.
Speaker #0
Cutesy little tuxedo. And then that's totally jars with Joe, who's in an aviator outfit. He looks like he's a pilot from World War One.
Speaker #1
The leather jacket looks ridiculous. But it was like outerwear.
Speaker #0
The huge big collar and his...
Speaker #1
Was he wearing shorts?
Speaker #0
He was, no, he had an exposed boot and the boot was like mid-calf. So it was like a pedal pusher.
Speaker #1
Right, I didn't see his lower half. but I'm shocked they let him wear that because it was so heavy for TV.
Speaker #0
He looks like Amelia Earhart. I'm not a biker version.
Speaker #1
You're so right.
Speaker #0
And his fashion the whole way through has been terrible.
Speaker #1
All that's missing was the goggles.
Speaker #0
Yes, and a scarf.
Speaker #1
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, like a breeze. David just wore what he normally wears. Alan got the brief.
Speaker #0
He looked like Bridal White.
Speaker #1
Kat didn't get the brief, classic.
Speaker #0
No, well, for her style, she was dressed up, but that's... not saying a lot because she's very casual she just laid down didn't she yeah she did in the whole series she just took a lie down because you're not naturally a liar and deceiving people all the time for any of the traitors you do you see them run out of gusto so then like you know when they start to get to the finish they're like oh fuck I can't you know it's so hard to keep up that bravado but her her whole thing of just like you know I didn't want to give an opinion
Speaker #1
Because I didn't really know. I was like, well, no one knew.
Speaker #0
It's like, you need a better excuse.
Speaker #1
Alan was really good at randomly throwing in, I thought that was very interesting, like those kind of things. I thought he was really good at that.
Speaker #0
Because the final, you're properly grilled. He did quite a Jonathan Ross. It was really good at the round table, like Kool Camp collected, like he kind of sealed his fate as a faithful then. And I thought that was...
Speaker #1
Sorry, also, can we talk about the pyrotechnics?
Speaker #0
Were they fake?
Speaker #1
What was that? That was... beautiful do you mean the fireworks at the end no the cauldron oh sorry when she threw in their their ceremonial pouches i was like this is budget to boot i know well like it's the biggest show since adolescence so but it was also very medieval it was like your ceremonial pouch in your tiny wooden box and then they threw it in and it was like harry potter
Speaker #0
It was so Harry Potter.
Speaker #1
It was like the color. I thought it was brilliant.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
And the exploding train.
Speaker #0
I know. It was very Mission Impossible.
Speaker #1
Yeah, it was. I love those kind of Ridley bits.
Speaker #0
Yeah. It was cool about the R.I.P. and the rip. I thought that was very clever. So I wouldn't have figured that out. Anyway, it was great. Really enjoyed it. And because I was a bit like as soon as Celia left, my love for the show died a lot. And I was just going into that final being like, because we. Touchdown in Dublin. And like as the final was starting, so it was like racing to try and get home and catching air coaches and all that blabber. I was like, I'm just not that excited because I just think it's going to be the Faithfuls are going to win. Joe's going to coerce them all. And the fact that he didn't even end up making it to the last three was just beyond me. I was like, oh my God, Joe is going to beat up Nick. It's a very schoolboy, schoolbully energy. And I was like, he's going to get some nuggy down the back of the castle from Joe.
Speaker #1
He's tiny. What height do you think he is?
Speaker #0
Oh, like five foot one, two. He's so small. He's five, four and a half. Oh, it was great, though. I'm very excited for the normal version to come out. It's just really struck a chord, I think, at Traitors. Remember Love Island in like 2017, 2018 was like the big show. that grips the nation. Whereas I really think that that Traitors is that now. And what I love about Traitors is it's just like normal people deceiving each other. It's nothing to do with what anyone looks like or it's nothing to do with like your value being placed externally. You know, it's like I really like the way it's just a normal people's game. I hope you don't miss Joe Marler too much anyway.
Speaker #1
Well, you certainly won't.
Speaker #0
No. Okay, let's just dive straight into the David Harbour of it all. Reports came out on the Daily Mail that Millie Bobby Brown had filed a harassment and bullying, not sexual, case against David Harbour before the beginning of filming of Stranger Things Season 5. Bear in mind, this was two years ago. So when this came out on the Daily Mail, it obviously went everywhere. If it wasn't true, Millie Bobby Brown or anyone would have denied it. So the fact that there was no denials, it seemed like it was true. So the reason why... I didn't talk about it last week was Jumoa said that apparently it was a misunderstanding over lines and they sorted it and like everything's fine. So it seemed like a bit of a stormy teacup. But what I don't understand is the Daily Mail were saying that it was a source close to Millie Bobby Brown. There was pages and pages of documents and that she had to have a representative on set.
Speaker #1
Who Millie Bobby Brown is.
Speaker #0
yeah wasn't she always because she's a kid but like she's 21 now she would have been 19 like i know she started this when she was 11 and yeah so what i don't know is like why would you throw around the claims of harassment and bullying if it wasn't that deep really or like who knows where the truth is really wasn't it just rumored that she was making a complaint the source is a source close to millie bobby brown so the leak came from her team and nobody denied it So there's no way of knowing, was it actually her?
Speaker #1
It's not a formal complaint in any case.
Speaker #0
Now, note of bene here is, remember we talked about it at the time, Millie Bobby Brown came out and spoke about how the tabloids were awful to her. Remember she had that big thing being like, you're always commenting on how I look, you're always saying about my hair and my weight and everything. So why would Millie Bobby Brown give the exclusive or the source leak to Daily Mail? The one publication. that has been so horrible about her in the press.
Speaker #1
Oh, yeah, because she started on your one. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker #0
And then that journalist, like, resigned. In a nutshell, that's the harassment suit. Then now we've had the Stranger Things premiere and who arrives together, hugs on the red carpet, full of lols and laughs and light and love is Millie Bobby Brown and David Harbour. So they're clearly trying to squash the beef or put an end to the rumours.
Speaker #1
Do you think he like went up to her beforehand or something? I'd say they had like a mediation or something beforehand.
Speaker #0
Yeah. Imagine the crisis pure. I'd say this was as bad as when Will Smith slapped Chris Rock at the Oscars. I'd say this was known as getting any fucking sleep. So Millie Bobby Brown was interviewed on the red carpet at the Stranger Things premiere. Entertainment Tonight weren't like trying to get a scoop or anything. They were just because they're in every scene together, David Harbour and Millie Bobby Brown. So they were like, oh, you have such like a special relationship and, you know, it's so nice to see and it's so sad that it's all ending or whatever. And then she was like, yeah, we have such a like father daughter relationship. So like if you had a fight with.
Speaker #1
That's weird, though.
Speaker #0
But yeah, you know, like you fight with the parent. But if you had had a fight with somebody two years ago and then it all gets leaked now, you would be like, well, that fight was ages ago. We're fine now. And we have that kind of familial relationship. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend this man at all. Sometimes with like stories when it's like everyone's jumping on the bandwagon of hating someone you know like when when all the Lily Allen stuff was coming out don't get me wrong I think everything Lily Allen has said is true but then everyone starts digging up all these stories of like how a woman died in his apartment when he wasn't there like she jumped out the window and you know the Architectural Digest video and they start going like oh my god he's so creepy in it which he is and he's making terrible jokes. But you know that one joke at the beginning where he's like, oh my God, I haven't seen you in so long. Like, welcome. Like, it was just a shit joke because he had done another Architectural Digest from potentially the Palace. Yeah, there's another Architectural Digest video of David Harbour in another smaller apartment. This is years before he met Lily. I think that was like a back reference to his other video. Anyway, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to defend David Harbour. I think he's an awful man who's tricked us all. This fake charm thing bullshit isn't working anymore. And he's there on the red carpet. He was interviewed on his own giving like wishy-washy. We're all a family like PR spin. So I think like this story is going to keep evolving. But I'm just, it's hard to not think it's a bloody PR stunt or a ruse. Because this is getting so much attention on Stranger Things. I don't like, was that leak a ruse?
Speaker #1
What a genius.
Speaker #0
I did hear one crazy rumour that... the leak could have been from Lily Allen because they would have been together two years ago. And is it a smear campaign from her?
Speaker #1
I like that whole thing. What an icon.
Speaker #0
You never know. And there was one thing, yeah, it was her sister and stuff. But look, that's me going down a Reddit rabbit hole. Alleged, alleged, alleged. But also it's a thing of like, okay, Millie Bobby Brown and David Robert could have squashed the beef. But like, there's also a thing of like, women are like, have to be so pressured. You know, if someone's mean to you, but then you... want to try seem like oh I'm fine I'm fine I'm fine and I don't want to make a scene and I don't want to make them look bad so I'm just going to be fine on the red carpet so it seems like it looks like it was water under the bridge but I don't know it's definitely all adding to the hype machine it just seems weird that they're like giggling on the carpet if there was a problem they look like familial like it looks very like they're totally fine so either they're both great actors whatever one slight little rabbit hole I just want to tiny bit go down on because I've obviously been listening to a lot of content on this and a lot of people are now talking about like open marriages and there was one theory online that like Jada and Will Smith were the like do you remember when she came out and being like we're in an open marriage or whatever they were almost like the sacrificial lambs that was a couple testing the fact that they were in an open marriage and nobody the public just hated it all and like coupled with him slapping the Chris Rock and they've they totally fell from grace yeah they it. so then there was loads of like blind items about other couples that are in open marriages and they said one of the tells is if there's a cheating scandal but the couple don't break up i.e justin timberlake jessica beale emily blunt and john krasinski she apparently is super open apparently her and matt damon oh yeah sorry i've heard that is that you who told me that no that's why they always do movies together which is crazy beyonce and jay-z obviously chris martin and gwyneth paltrow apparently he is quite the renaissance man And just is kind of a free love 70s queen.
Speaker #1
And he's going out with Sophie Turner. Where did she get her connect? She was going out with some like aristocrat. I know.
Speaker #0
And she's a super Coldplay fan. Didn't Joe Jonas like organize like a meet and greet or some video from Chris Martin?
Speaker #1
I mean, that's the dream to be a super Coldplay fan.
Speaker #0
But then he's in Brazil at the moment and he was photographed with some other woman. So very singer girl.
Speaker #1
Chris Martin?
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
I don't say that.
Speaker #0
yeah so I think he's just but they could have just gone on one date you know you're allowed to go on others like David and Victoria Beckham they could definitely be in an open relationship you just don't know I think we know that they are do we not yeah they must be well otherwise there's just a whole lot of cheating but like and people stay together for the brand or whatever oh of course to hark back sorry to Chris Martin and Gwyneth Paltrow Gwyneth Paltrow like was sharing Lily's album um so much and you know she was like this is the best album ever and I was like well are Are you hard relating here, Gwenny?
Speaker #1
I mean, potentially.
Speaker #0
I know. So what I love about Lily's album, like it's gotten such conversation going. It's the first time like open relationships has been discussed. I'm just so happy to see her do so well and like call out fucking David's bullshit. It's just so good.
Speaker #1
Yeah, it is great that it's not like under a veil of something. It's actually just like, who the fuck's Madeline?
Speaker #0
Yeah, and like I've been following this press tour she's been on with their Chateau Marmotte, everything. I'm just so happy she's getting her. Big global flowers.
Speaker #1
Day in the sun.
Speaker #0
Yeah, it's a bit like when Charlie XCX had Brat. This is like, Lena Dunham called it West End Winter or something like that, which I love.
Speaker #1
West End, I like that.
Speaker #0
Yeah, instead of Brat Girl Summer. So let's go. Yeah,
Speaker #1
I wouldn't be sure about the Millie Bobby Brown and thing.
Speaker #0
I just think it's so, there's so much truth and fakeness to that, that it's very hard to read. And I'm just going to be glued to this press tour now.
Speaker #1
He's quite wicked looking, isn't he?
Speaker #0
He is, yeah. Sorry, his outfit on the red carpet. He looked like a cartoon lawyer. Like these massive pinstripes with a matching tie.
Speaker #1
Yeah, he does look like a cartoon.
Speaker #0
He does. He looks like a dastardly man.
Speaker #1
You're so right. You're so right.
Speaker #0
God, this is good. And it's great when the music is just so amazing as well. I'm glad I can end on a high.
Speaker #1
Me too. From one red carpet to another, I watched the first episode of All's Fair.
Speaker #0
Pray tell.
Speaker #1
I feel like we both say it. I definitely do that. Like, I don't like reading press or reviews before I watch things. House of Guinness was a most recent example. And I'm going to say it again. Don't read the reviews and not watch it.
Speaker #0
I really liked it. Great.
Speaker #1
It's sassy. It's hot. It's like, by no means is it supposed to be. award-winning acting like it's very like tongue-in-cheek it's like sexy and like women power and like the scenery is amazing and it's like a load of gals like what's the problem here i really liked it i only watched the first episode i did get zero percent on rotten tomatoes which i loved but i just think people need to get over this whole thing like as in what were we talking about oh was it emily in paris when it originally came out and people were like this is such garbage And I was like, It's not supposed to be excellent acting. No. Like, you know, a thrilling storyline. Like, it's bubblegum girly.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
Like, everything can't be like that. I loved it. I loved the press tour they're going on. I think they all seem like really good friends. Oh,
Speaker #0
my God. Their pajama party look gas.
Speaker #1
And Sarah Paulson is like a nut in it.
Speaker #0
Yeah. So Kim Kardashian posted, like, all the reviews on her Instagram. And some of them are so good. It's like
Speaker #1
all's fair is scream queens but for wine moms and millennial gays you just don't get it well yeah i was watching and i was like what's the problem and i was talking to people and they're like no i'm not gonna i'm not gonna watch it the reviews are awful as a year actually so uneducated like cop on what age are you it got a bad review in such and such i'm not gonna watch it if that's the way you go through life, I actually feel sorry for you.
Speaker #0
Yeah, does it need to be good? The answer is no, it doesn't. We have legendary actresses here giving the worst performances of their career. It takes a special kind of talent to pull that kind of inability out of them. Amazeballs.
Speaker #1
It's so good. Also, the guy she's with in it is so not her type. It's quite funny.
Speaker #0
Oh, good. I like seeing that for her.
Speaker #1
And the costume and stuff is fab. I really liked it. So people need to get over themselves.
Speaker #0
I saw one really good clip from it and I don't know the name of the actress and she was like, you're going to want to pull your wig forward because this is going to be... blow your mind something such a good line it's it's really like it's camp yeah I'd recommend it where is it in the like okay Emily in Paris to all and just like that like where is it in the that kind of bin oh I would say midpoint more steering towards
Speaker #1
And just like that.
Speaker #0
Okay.
Speaker #1
It's sexy, like. At one point, she's wearing this, like, waistcoat. Kim, sorry. She's wearing a waistcoat with, like, a tailored waistcoat with a matching tailored skirt on her hips. But then the camera pans and there's a thong cut out. So it dips and then she's wearing a thong in the office. Like, that's what I'm looking for.
Speaker #0
Stop. That's campy.
Speaker #1
it's done so well though it's done the most watched title on disney plus in the world ranking first in 28 countries including the united states i really like it's in the top 10 in a total of 36 territories all around the globe don't you yeah i think it'd be a good like is it a good maybe hangover watch or like when you don't need a lot of you know you want something a bit i'm just sick of these like people who think they're like on another level with their television watching and they're like oh that's like
Speaker #0
You know,
Speaker #1
like the high-low of like, you know, watching something that's very highbrow and then mixing it with the lower stuff. Like, as in just get over yourself and experience it for yourself.
Speaker #0
I might get that a go over the weekend. I've really enjoyed the press tour anyway. I think that's a lot of fun.
Speaker #1
I am too. And they're all like doing their TikTok.
Speaker #0
I just can't believe she did Graham Norton. Like, that's crazy.
Speaker #1
I need to watch it. Her and Sarah Paulson seem like, sorry, in the Kardashian show, they have...
Speaker #0
this bit of where they're on set and her and Sarah Paulson just can't stop giggling with each other it's so funny and they ask her about a jack of potato yeah and then she's like what are you talking about and then when she figures out what when Kim figures out what a jack of potato is she's like oh my god sour cream bacon chili like she has a full I love her appetite I know also who liked that lady yeah exactly you always hear of her ordering loads of food. Like I love that Kim has an actual appetite.
Speaker #1
Oh yeah.
Speaker #0
There's always like blind items and stuff about.
Speaker #1
She's doing great work on TikTok. Not miming. She's like doing full videos. It's fab.
Speaker #0
Oh good. We hate the miming. So thank you so much for that. Now before you go you have a little recommendation for us to share with the group.
Speaker #1
I do have a recommendation. To be super transparent. I just got quite an irritating professional message. So my first recommendation is don't take any shit from anyone, ladies. My second recommendation is Hilary Duff is having a resurgence. Oh,
Speaker #0
wow.
Speaker #1
She's done a new song. I think the new song's out today called Mature. And the whole thing is her older self talking to her younger self.
Speaker #0
Oh.
Speaker #1
Of her like kind of Hilary Duff.
Speaker #0
To Lizzie McGuire.
Speaker #1
Teenage days. But she's gone on to. that podcast Therapus.
Speaker #0
Oh, yeah.
Speaker #1
And she's done like, I think it's like an hour and a half with him. I love her anyway, but she's so sound. Wow. And she talks about Lizzie McGuire. She talks about being a pop star and then like now a mum. And it's a really good listen. It's a full like hour and a half. She's so nice and normal.
Speaker #0
Oh, go on.
Speaker #1
Yeah. And then she just released her new song Mature, which is quite boppy. Oh,
Speaker #0
wow.
Speaker #1
So I would recommend listening to it. It was a really nice listen.
Speaker #0
I'm glad Hills is back me too I love her also she hasn't aged a bit what the hell she looks so good she's had like she has three if not four kids what I know so I'd recommend that one great okay well thank you so much you guys for listening we hope you've enjoyed this week's visit to the trough of Goss with your sweet hogs Clara and Sophie do follow us on Instagram at houseofgossippod or at soph underscore lions at classy cabana We will be there in the DMs waiting for your thoughts on somebody, David Beckham. All's fair. Have you watched it? The Traders finale, what did you think? Do you have the same boner? Soaps for Joe Marler. And also, let's bitch about David fucking Harper. Until next week.
Speaker #1
Bye.
Speaker #0
Bye. Amazing.

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Speaker #0
Hello, good evening, good morning, good afternoon and good night. It is House of Gossip with me, Clara Kavner, and you, Sophie Lyons. We are here with your weekly dose of pop culture nourishment. Our sleeves are rolled up. We're two little hoglets at the trough of Goss ready to dive in. to this week's Celebrity Juice news, scandals, other dramatic events, etc. Sophie, how are you?
Speaker #1
I'm fabulous. Thank you so much for asking. Hello, New York.
Speaker #0
I knew when you started that hello that you were going to say New York.
Speaker #1
Good morning, New York City. We're recording this on a Friday morning and we've just finished Celebrity Charities, which we're going to talk about and I feel like we're quite amped up. I would say let's get right into J'adore and J'adest and then we can fly on out. Good morning, NYC!
Speaker #0
What are you J'adore and J'adest for the week?
Speaker #1
You won't be able to relate to it, but the trailer for Beverly Hills Housewives new season is coming up.
Speaker #0
Okay.
Speaker #1
Kyle Richards is saying she's bisexual finally, which is a big deal. It's gotten loads of coverage.
Speaker #0
Wow.
Speaker #1
And Rachel Zoe is in it. Do you remember Rachel Zoe?
Speaker #0
The stylist woman.
Speaker #1
What a flashback. Yeah, so she's divorced her husband of 25, if not 30 years. And so she's single again and back on it. Not back on it. She's single again and on it. And she used to have her own reality show, which I really, really enjoyed. I actually have her book as well. Yeah, so she's a new cast member in it. I'm very excited.
Speaker #0
Whoa.
Speaker #1
I think it's what they need. They've been struggling since Lisa Renner left. Like Rachel Zoe, I think is what they need.
Speaker #0
It's hard to fail when those big characters leave, isn't it?
Speaker #1
Especially because Rachel Zoe... is such a business persona, I suppose. But personally, it was always just her husband. Like her and her husband. I don't think she has a huge group of friends, but that could have been what I thought when I was a teenager. Like, that's probably not the case. But I'm dying to see what she's like socially.
Speaker #0
Great a dish. God, Andy Cohen really knows how to recruit. Did Julia Fox ever go on that New York one? I thought she would have been good. I would have watched that one.
Speaker #1
No, but someone told me there's rumours that the New York one is going back to the... the original cast, which would make my year.
Speaker #0
Who would that be?
Speaker #1
Like Luanne, you know, Countess Luanne.
Speaker #0
The Countess Luanne?
Speaker #1
The Countess. Ramona, Sonia, all those, which is like, it's the best TV you'll ever watch. If you're suffering from like seasonal affective disorder, low serotonin, you've broken up with someone, you hate your... manager you need to watch this will take you out of that it's the best thing ever also sorry just to side note Andy Cohen was on uh Call Her Daddy did you listen I saw a few clips yeah he didn't really give much ah come on like anything she was like who's the housewife you such and such the most and he'd be like oh that's a HR issue oh come on yeah like he's usually quite transparent but I was just like could you just give us some names and she's like literally her style of questioning is
Speaker #0
tea or coffee pink or purple bus or train chicken or beef chick it's very light touch and it's like um oh my god alex yeah like night time day time what she's done because she's
Speaker #1
completely captivated like millions of people but her interview style i think it's because it's so friend to friend would you say and like then obviously a bit of ego stroking yeah that's why people like going on it i just think you and i could do a better job yeah hey ho chicken or beef what gaza what are you what are you enjoying or is it testing i'm not enjoying anything i have another test somebody
Speaker #0
finally got their knighthood and i am raging i'm not gonna say it i'm not saying his title i'm just not You can't throw that many tantrums and get your way and then expect everybody to be happy for you.
Speaker #1
Can I just loop back to when you were like, the Victoria Beckham documentary and you were like trying to be neutral and like obviously couldn't because you can't stand them. When I saw it, I didn't even think about the fact that it had happened. I actually just thought how angry you would be.
Speaker #0
I heard him like his clip and he was like, King Charles was just so elegant. It was like, oh,
Speaker #1
he's more like King Charles would be so elegant.
Speaker #0
Okay, I've ranted and raved about him on previous episodes being a stingy bastard. He only wants his fucking title so he can charge more. It's a bit like winning an Oscar as an actor. Once you win the Oscar,
Speaker #1
I thought it was like ego,
Speaker #0
money, money,
Speaker #1
money,
Speaker #0
and greed, He said he got it for sport and charity, right? But like, the reason he didn't get it a while ago is because he was an ambassador for UNICEF, but only gave the minimum amount.
Speaker #1
I do have to question you there, sorry. The minimum amount is the minimum amount. So what's the big issue there?
Speaker #0
It's a million, but you have so much more money.
Speaker #1
But what's the issue with donating the minimum amount? I'm just wondering. I don't like that he's been knighted either. I'm just wondering.
Speaker #0
I think with a knighthood or the flag shaggery of it all, you have to go like above and beyond. And it just seems like he's like box tick, box tick. bitch about everyone. He called poor Catherine Jenkins to see you next Tuesday.
Speaker #1
Like, since those emails were leaked, that should have been like, no.
Speaker #0
You're never getting it. Like, I think it makes a mockery of the crown that they still gave it to this toddler who had a tantrum.
Speaker #1
I also just think anything worth getting like of prestige, you shouldn't vie for it.
Speaker #0
No. And like, the only reason he was in that queue for the Queen. The only reason.
Speaker #1
Do you remember like David Attenborough? Yeah. Like the reason he, I think he's the perfect person who should get it. Or like Stephen Fry. Is he Sir Stephen Fry?
Speaker #0
I think so.
Speaker #1
He should be anyway. You know those people and you're like, I doubt they're involved really. It feels like this one is, you know, for the Hollywood Walk of Fame, you've to pitch yourself to the committee. Yes,
Speaker #0
which nobody talks about.
Speaker #1
No, and it's a full proposal business plan. Like no one talks about it. And they're like, oh.
Speaker #0
You pay like 50 grand.
Speaker #1
Yeah, yeah. It's very false. He'll never be happy though.
Speaker #0
No. he's a hungry hippo.
Speaker #1
Also, can I just say, they celebrated his 50th but a few months ago and they had like five parties and then for the night they had another huge party and I'm like, the friends must be exhausted.
Speaker #0
All the gifting they'd have to do.
Speaker #1
Also, like, does he celebrate his friends?
Speaker #0
I'd love to know. I doubt it. I'd say he doesn't want to spend any money on them.
Speaker #1
I always wonder that about famous people. Do they celebrate their normal friends?
Speaker #0
I don't know. Well, You know, like they buy all their families houses and cars and stuff. But yeah, you wonder about the friends. But sorry, that Victoria Beckham documentary, the only friend we heard from was Eva Longoria. Like where are her actual... Removing the Spice Girls and her glitzy glam friends, where are the normal people?
Speaker #1
She has normal friends.
Speaker #0
Never see them. When I see them round about. Maybe they're just, I don't know. She never talks about, like in that documentary.
Speaker #1
I can't believe we're going back to the documentary.
Speaker #0
No, no, we won't. But, you know, there's never any reference of friends.
Speaker #1
What?
Speaker #0
Maybe it's quite a lonely life.
Speaker #1
No, you're just like, never see the friends.
Speaker #0
Don't exist.
Speaker #1
Let's not be mean about Victoria. This is about David.
Speaker #0
This is about David. But also, sorry, we've now entered like Cold War status with Brooklyn.
Speaker #1
I know. That's bad.
Speaker #0
The photo of them all there. So obviously I think just his parents in Victoria were laid in for the knighthood bit.
Speaker #1
But they had a family photo.
Speaker #0
Yeah. And that photo is quite haunting.
Speaker #1
It's very haunting because it's quite Victorian looking.
Speaker #0
It is. And they're all doing They're like all in black like Victorian children.
Speaker #1
But someone, I saw somewhere that like Nicola put up a post the same day.
Speaker #0
Did she?
Speaker #1
Something like that to kind of be like, he's here.
Speaker #0
But like he didn't Brooklyn didn't post anything Like a congratulations or anything But he didn't post anything about his birth His 50th either like Yeah sorry
Speaker #1
50th is a big birthday And they missed four parties
Speaker #0
And knighthood is like If you can't But maybe he's doing it behind the scenes You just don't know But he Just you want This feud I think has gone a bit dark now I just think that's quite He's quite estranged If you're not At your dad's knighthood Oh he's so estranged I'd love to hear some audio tapes of that
Speaker #1
of their fighting.
Speaker #0
I know. We need Harper.
Speaker #1
Yeah, we do.
Speaker #0
We need her to do it all.
Speaker #1
Oh my God.
Speaker #0
I'd love if she did those like confessional TikToks or those like sleuthing TikToks.
Speaker #1
I actually have a link to her.
Speaker #0
Do you?
Speaker #1
I won't say the link. Not that I would get anything out of the link, but the link, when I heard it, I was like, oh.
Speaker #0
Wow. Yeah. Six degrees. Well, I'm sure if you go to Soho Farmhouse enough, you'll see them.
Speaker #1
One of my friends, I've never seen them there. One of my friends was there and the whole crew came in. The whole family came in.
Speaker #0
Sure, you were there once and Trevor Nelson was there. Now that's my David Beckham.
Speaker #1
That was way better, to be honest. I saw Trevor Nelson and I think it was on the same trip. And Natalie Imbruglio was next to me at lunch.
Speaker #0
What?
Speaker #1
Did I tell you this?
Speaker #0
No.
Speaker #1
I think it was the same trip. I went down with...
Speaker #0
Was it so hard not to sing her song?
Speaker #1
I was just like, what is she eating? What's she ordering? She looked unbelievable. wow amazing but yeah Trevor Nelson and her and there was someone else that day I think there was three slabs I need to go there we should go there you probably get angry because it's right next to their house yeah I probably try egg the house you probably be like throwing rotten fruit over the tomatoes rotten fruit over the thing
Speaker #0
I would not be buying best self
Speaker #1
I really I would I regret how my future no you'd be in last night's pajamas with an overcoat and runners like Harold Frazzle like having such a wink like you basically came through the bush with rotten fruit People would be like, who's that loon at the front gate? And you'd be like, you know, there's people who just go off.
Speaker #0
I'll never call you sir!
Speaker #1
But you'd be so delirious. So it wouldn't be making sense.
Speaker #0
I wouldn't see sense and I wouldn't make sense.
Speaker #1
And anyone trying to talk to you, you'd just be like, no! And you'd have an exact support like, no! I'll never call you sir! It would be like that.
Speaker #0
I was like, no one's asking you to. Please go back to your room.
Speaker #1
Oh, that's a funny visual. Oh,
Speaker #0
that was funny. Like it's so not far from what I would actually do.
Speaker #1
A hundred percent.
Speaker #0
Not my best self. It would be the worst to me.
Speaker #1
I can imagine what you'd be wearing.
Speaker #0
It's definitely pajamas.
Speaker #1
runners maybe a welly boot i'm not sure we'll decide on the day yeah because it's kind of cotswolds but it's quite far sorry it's very forestry around there like the so farmhouses is in the middle of nowhere but it's stunning wow so i can just imagine you kind of you know like mud splattered yes from like twigs in your hair and stuff can we do this somebody's coat like not my own no it would be like a larger man's coat you know like when bridget jones was on Calling for its coat.
Speaker #0
Exactly that. And I'd probably do something stupid like try to rob his bees and then just end up in a hospital with a load of bee stings.
Speaker #1
With a jar of the honey. No, I'm not giving it back.
Speaker #0
All this honey all over me.
Speaker #1
Toothless.
Speaker #0
Somehow, yeah, toothless.
Speaker #1
You've lost your teeth along the way. Oh, that's very funny.
Speaker #0
It's just rage. They just burst on.
Speaker #1
You're like Anne Hathaway in Les Mis.
Speaker #0
That's exactly right.
Speaker #1
That's very funny. Right.
Speaker #0
Okay.
Speaker #1
Moving on. Oh, Slap Traders. Now.
Speaker #0
Here we go.
Speaker #1
We didn't watch it at the same. It's Friday morning, so it just finished last night. I watched it live. You watched it maybe an hour later. So we didn't, I didn't tell you anything. I just said it was a roller coaster. Whoa.
Speaker #0
Was it so?
Speaker #1
It was so good. But like in another world, I would have loved if they believed Joe.
Speaker #0
I know.
Speaker #1
Nick swapping to Joe at the very end. I was like, it must just play tricks on your mind. I'm delighted Kat was out. I'm so delighted.
Speaker #0
Kat was so steadfast the whole time. And then... just in the last few episodes just couldn't back herself. But also like, hello, numbers game here. There's three traitors. One of them has to be a woman. We've only caught one traitor. It has to be Kat. She was the last girl left.
Speaker #1
Oh yeah, I didn't think about the gender thing.
Speaker #0
Yeah, like it had to be her.
Speaker #1
Imagine they did an all-woman traitors.
Speaker #0
Yeah, that would be good.
Speaker #1
Like a celebrity one. Whoa.
Speaker #0
Yeah, because people do the numbers game. So that's why it wasn't, there was all men in this, one of the seasons of the Muggle one. but um Alan played such a blinder when he flipped on Joe, when Joe said, like, oh, I love you, Kat. Because Joe was that deciding factor for Kat.
Speaker #1
No, Nick was the big rogue one for me.
Speaker #0
He was the surprise rogue. And, like, the two smartest people, like, David and Nick, to be that smart and be so wrong. Like, David was definitely in the Kate Garraway club of, like, I haven't got a clue.
Speaker #1
I'm flabbergasted. Was he?
Speaker #0
He was so bad. Yeah. Flabbergasted. Kate and David were just shocking from start to finish. They were consistent.
Speaker #1
And they actually butted heads. Yeah.
Speaker #0
The two worst players.
Speaker #1
And she was like, I feel like you're... And he's like, that's exactly what I'm saying. I thought that was really mean. I didn't like the way they pig piled on Kate Garroway. Oh,
Speaker #0
yeah. I know. But like, she didn't have an opinion. So I think it was kind of a bit like...
Speaker #1
She was watching the final with Alan last night.
Speaker #0
I saw on his Instagram. Yeah.
Speaker #1
Oh, sorry, when he burst out crying, though, I was like, oh. Like, I thought it was very sweet the way they were like, they're like, no, no, don't worry. I thought it was very sweet.
Speaker #0
I know, because he was so in their face. And it was so funny that they were comforting him because he won and they lost.
Speaker #1
Because I think, you know, the way they were like, oh, my God, kind of pointing the finger, and then he burst out crying. You would go, oh, I'm a traitor. I assume you'd feel awful.
Speaker #0
Yeah. Because I think the traders, I'm so happy when the traders do win because they've way more balls in the air. It's such a harder job.
Speaker #1
Yeah.
Speaker #0
Like the faithfuls you live in fear because you're like, when am I going to be murdered? I can't speak up because I'll get murdered. You know, you're just thinking of that. Whereas the traders have so much more coordinating to do. I just think they actually deserve the win more.
Speaker #1
And strategy.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
It was my first time watching it. I loved it. I thought it was so good.
Speaker #0
15 million people watched it, watched the series. That's one in four in the UK. Nice.
Speaker #1
But isn't that what TV should be about? Tuning in live.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
I'm sick of this streaming garbage.
Speaker #0
I know.
Speaker #1
But I don't like the Wednesday, Thursday night.
Speaker #0
No, it should have been Sunday, Monday. Get us through the hardest part of the week.
Speaker #1
Yeah.
Speaker #0
Yeah, or like Monday, Tuesday.
Speaker #1
What are we competing with? Is there like Strictly or something?
Speaker #0
Oh, probably.
Speaker #1
Annoying.
Speaker #0
And what's nice about it is it was like, well, the normal version is three episodes. That's two. But like you could easily catch up, you know, with bigger shows like Don't Get Me Wrong, like I'm watching Big Brother and I'm a Celeb is coming out. But like if you miss a week, you've got like five, six, seven episodes to catch up on. Oh yeah,
Speaker #1
it'd be like Love Island or I'm a Celeb, yeah.
Speaker #0
Exactly. And it's really hard to catch up. Whereas Celeb Traders, I think what works for them is... The two episodes a week, you could catch that up in an evening.
Speaker #1
You're so right about Sunday, Monday.
Speaker #0
Yeah, I thought Wednesday, Thursday was annoying.
Speaker #1
It's just a really random time.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
I thoroughly enjoyed it. I will absolutely be watching the muggle version, as you call it.
Speaker #0
Yeah, I think it's out in February.
Speaker #1
Would you want to be a traitor or a faithful?
Speaker #0
I think the traitors was definitely more fun. But I don't know if I have the strategy mindset. But I would be worried if I was a faithful. And then, you know, there's so much of like trusting your gut and going with instincts and getting it wrong. I think it would absolutely destroy my sense of gut-brain connection because I'd be like, I thought I knew one thing. I think it would hammer that relationship to pieces.
Speaker #1
And you're a very gut girl.
Speaker #0
Only recently.
Speaker #1
Oh, I always think you're such a gut lady.
Speaker #0
But like, sorry, in the last like five, six years. Oh, yeah, yeah. In my 20s, that was a complete holy show mess. But I've worked very hard to build it. And then if I went on Traders as a Faithful and I had people tricking me all the time, I'd be the toothless wonder from Les Mis outside Dave Beckham's house. That's what happened to me.
Speaker #1
I think I'd want to be a traitor.
Speaker #0
Yeah, you'd be a good one.
Speaker #1
They were saying, if you're just really hard to read about Joe. I said, Joe. And that's the feedback I always get, especially in a professional environment.
Speaker #0
Yeah. That's why I think you and Joe would get on. That's why I see why you fancy him.
Speaker #1
Oh, I totally vibe. But then I Googled last night being like, is it good or bad to be hard to read? And they were like, it can be good or bad. I was like, all right, okay.
Speaker #0
Oh, can we just take a moment though and talk about the final...
Speaker #1
Oh, I know what you're going to say.
Speaker #0
Outfits of what they're all wearing. Who briefed them?
Speaker #1
Well, whoever briefed Nick, he got the brief.
Speaker #0
A velveteen rabbit. Like He's so tiny.
Speaker #1
He is tiny.
Speaker #0
Cutesy little tuxedo. And then that's totally jars with Joe, who's in an aviator outfit. He looks like he's a pilot from World War One.
Speaker #1
The leather jacket looks ridiculous. But it was like outerwear.
Speaker #0
The huge big collar and his...
Speaker #1
Was he wearing shorts?
Speaker #0
He was, no, he had an exposed boot and the boot was like mid-calf. So it was like a pedal pusher.
Speaker #1
Right, I didn't see his lower half. but I'm shocked they let him wear that because it was so heavy for TV.
Speaker #0
He looks like Amelia Earhart. I'm not a biker version.
Speaker #1
You're so right.
Speaker #0
And his fashion the whole way through has been terrible.
Speaker #1
All that's missing was the goggles.
Speaker #0
Yes, and a scarf.
Speaker #1
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, like a breeze. David just wore what he normally wears. Alan got the brief.
Speaker #0
He looked like Bridal White.
Speaker #1
Kat didn't get the brief, classic.
Speaker #0
No, well, for her style, she was dressed up, but that's... not saying a lot because she's very casual she just laid down didn't she yeah she did in the whole series she just took a lie down because you're not naturally a liar and deceiving people all the time for any of the traitors you do you see them run out of gusto so then like you know when they start to get to the finish they're like oh fuck I can't you know it's so hard to keep up that bravado but her her whole thing of just like you know I didn't want to give an opinion
Speaker #1
Because I didn't really know. I was like, well, no one knew.
Speaker #0
It's like, you need a better excuse.
Speaker #1
Alan was really good at randomly throwing in, I thought that was very interesting, like those kind of things. I thought he was really good at that.
Speaker #0
Because the final, you're properly grilled. He did quite a Jonathan Ross. It was really good at the round table, like Kool Camp collected, like he kind of sealed his fate as a faithful then. And I thought that was...
Speaker #1
Sorry, also, can we talk about the pyrotechnics?
Speaker #0
Were they fake?
Speaker #1
What was that? That was... beautiful do you mean the fireworks at the end no the cauldron oh sorry when she threw in their their ceremonial pouches i was like this is budget to boot i know well like it's the biggest show since adolescence so but it was also very medieval it was like your ceremonial pouch in your tiny wooden box and then they threw it in and it was like harry potter
Speaker #0
It was so Harry Potter.
Speaker #1
It was like the color. I thought it was brilliant.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
And the exploding train.
Speaker #0
I know. It was very Mission Impossible.
Speaker #1
Yeah, it was. I love those kind of Ridley bits.
Speaker #0
Yeah. It was cool about the R.I.P. and the rip. I thought that was very clever. So I wouldn't have figured that out. Anyway, it was great. Really enjoyed it. And because I was a bit like as soon as Celia left, my love for the show died a lot. And I was just going into that final being like, because we. Touchdown in Dublin. And like as the final was starting, so it was like racing to try and get home and catching air coaches and all that blabber. I was like, I'm just not that excited because I just think it's going to be the Faithfuls are going to win. Joe's going to coerce them all. And the fact that he didn't even end up making it to the last three was just beyond me. I was like, oh my God, Joe is going to beat up Nick. It's a very schoolboy, schoolbully energy. And I was like, he's going to get some nuggy down the back of the castle from Joe.
Speaker #1
He's tiny. What height do you think he is?
Speaker #0
Oh, like five foot one, two. He's so small. He's five, four and a half. Oh, it was great, though. I'm very excited for the normal version to come out. It's just really struck a chord, I think, at Traitors. Remember Love Island in like 2017, 2018 was like the big show. that grips the nation. Whereas I really think that that Traitors is that now. And what I love about Traitors is it's just like normal people deceiving each other. It's nothing to do with what anyone looks like or it's nothing to do with like your value being placed externally. You know, it's like I really like the way it's just a normal people's game. I hope you don't miss Joe Marler too much anyway.
Speaker #1
Well, you certainly won't.
Speaker #0
No. Okay, let's just dive straight into the David Harbour of it all. Reports came out on the Daily Mail that Millie Bobby Brown had filed a harassment and bullying, not sexual, case against David Harbour before the beginning of filming of Stranger Things Season 5. Bear in mind, this was two years ago. So when this came out on the Daily Mail, it obviously went everywhere. If it wasn't true, Millie Bobby Brown or anyone would have denied it. So the fact that there was no denials, it seemed like it was true. So the reason why... I didn't talk about it last week was Jumoa said that apparently it was a misunderstanding over lines and they sorted it and like everything's fine. So it seemed like a bit of a stormy teacup. But what I don't understand is the Daily Mail were saying that it was a source close to Millie Bobby Brown. There was pages and pages of documents and that she had to have a representative on set.
Speaker #1
Who Millie Bobby Brown is.
Speaker #0
yeah wasn't she always because she's a kid but like she's 21 now she would have been 19 like i know she started this when she was 11 and yeah so what i don't know is like why would you throw around the claims of harassment and bullying if it wasn't that deep really or like who knows where the truth is really wasn't it just rumored that she was making a complaint the source is a source close to millie bobby brown so the leak came from her team and nobody denied it So there's no way of knowing, was it actually her?
Speaker #1
It's not a formal complaint in any case.
Speaker #0
Now, note of bene here is, remember we talked about it at the time, Millie Bobby Brown came out and spoke about how the tabloids were awful to her. Remember she had that big thing being like, you're always commenting on how I look, you're always saying about my hair and my weight and everything. So why would Millie Bobby Brown give the exclusive or the source leak to Daily Mail? The one publication. that has been so horrible about her in the press.
Speaker #1
Oh, yeah, because she started on your one. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker #0
And then that journalist, like, resigned. In a nutshell, that's the harassment suit. Then now we've had the Stranger Things premiere and who arrives together, hugs on the red carpet, full of lols and laughs and light and love is Millie Bobby Brown and David Harbour. So they're clearly trying to squash the beef or put an end to the rumours.
Speaker #1
Do you think he like went up to her beforehand or something? I'd say they had like a mediation or something beforehand.
Speaker #0
Yeah. Imagine the crisis pure. I'd say this was as bad as when Will Smith slapped Chris Rock at the Oscars. I'd say this was known as getting any fucking sleep. So Millie Bobby Brown was interviewed on the red carpet at the Stranger Things premiere. Entertainment Tonight weren't like trying to get a scoop or anything. They were just because they're in every scene together, David Harbour and Millie Bobby Brown. So they were like, oh, you have such like a special relationship and, you know, it's so nice to see and it's so sad that it's all ending or whatever. And then she was like, yeah, we have such a like father daughter relationship. So like if you had a fight with.
Speaker #1
That's weird, though.
Speaker #0
But yeah, you know, like you fight with the parent. But if you had had a fight with somebody two years ago and then it all gets leaked now, you would be like, well, that fight was ages ago. We're fine now. And we have that kind of familial relationship. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend this man at all. Sometimes with like stories when it's like everyone's jumping on the bandwagon of hating someone you know like when when all the Lily Allen stuff was coming out don't get me wrong I think everything Lily Allen has said is true but then everyone starts digging up all these stories of like how a woman died in his apartment when he wasn't there like she jumped out the window and you know the Architectural Digest video and they start going like oh my god he's so creepy in it which he is and he's making terrible jokes. But you know that one joke at the beginning where he's like, oh my God, I haven't seen you in so long. Like, welcome. Like, it was just a shit joke because he had done another Architectural Digest from potentially the Palace. Yeah, there's another Architectural Digest video of David Harbour in another smaller apartment. This is years before he met Lily. I think that was like a back reference to his other video. Anyway, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to defend David Harbour. I think he's an awful man who's tricked us all. This fake charm thing bullshit isn't working anymore. And he's there on the red carpet. He was interviewed on his own giving like wishy-washy. We're all a family like PR spin. So I think like this story is going to keep evolving. But I'm just, it's hard to not think it's a bloody PR stunt or a ruse. Because this is getting so much attention on Stranger Things. I don't like, was that leak a ruse?
Speaker #1
What a genius.
Speaker #0
I did hear one crazy rumour that... the leak could have been from Lily Allen because they would have been together two years ago. And is it a smear campaign from her?
Speaker #1
I like that whole thing. What an icon.
Speaker #0
You never know. And there was one thing, yeah, it was her sister and stuff. But look, that's me going down a Reddit rabbit hole. Alleged, alleged, alleged. But also it's a thing of like, okay, Millie Bobby Brown and David Robert could have squashed the beef. But like, there's also a thing of like, women are like, have to be so pressured. You know, if someone's mean to you, but then you... want to try seem like oh I'm fine I'm fine I'm fine and I don't want to make a scene and I don't want to make them look bad so I'm just going to be fine on the red carpet so it seems like it looks like it was water under the bridge but I don't know it's definitely all adding to the hype machine it just seems weird that they're like giggling on the carpet if there was a problem they look like familial like it looks very like they're totally fine so either they're both great actors whatever one slight little rabbit hole I just want to tiny bit go down on because I've obviously been listening to a lot of content on this and a lot of people are now talking about like open marriages and there was one theory online that like Jada and Will Smith were the like do you remember when she came out and being like we're in an open marriage or whatever they were almost like the sacrificial lambs that was a couple testing the fact that they were in an open marriage and nobody the public just hated it all and like coupled with him slapping the Chris Rock and they've they totally fell from grace yeah they it. so then there was loads of like blind items about other couples that are in open marriages and they said one of the tells is if there's a cheating scandal but the couple don't break up i.e justin timberlake jessica beale emily blunt and john krasinski she apparently is super open apparently her and matt damon oh yeah sorry i've heard that is that you who told me that no that's why they always do movies together which is crazy beyonce and jay-z obviously chris martin and gwyneth paltrow apparently he is quite the renaissance man And just is kind of a free love 70s queen.
Speaker #1
And he's going out with Sophie Turner. Where did she get her connect? She was going out with some like aristocrat. I know.
Speaker #0
And she's a super Coldplay fan. Didn't Joe Jonas like organize like a meet and greet or some video from Chris Martin?
Speaker #1
I mean, that's the dream to be a super Coldplay fan.
Speaker #0
But then he's in Brazil at the moment and he was photographed with some other woman. So very singer girl.
Speaker #1
Chris Martin?
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
I don't say that.
Speaker #0
yeah so I think he's just but they could have just gone on one date you know you're allowed to go on others like David and Victoria Beckham they could definitely be in an open relationship you just don't know I think we know that they are do we not yeah they must be well otherwise there's just a whole lot of cheating but like and people stay together for the brand or whatever oh of course to hark back sorry to Chris Martin and Gwyneth Paltrow Gwyneth Paltrow like was sharing Lily's album um so much and you know she was like this is the best album ever and I was like well are Are you hard relating here, Gwenny?
Speaker #1
I mean, potentially.
Speaker #0
I know. So what I love about Lily's album, like it's gotten such conversation going. It's the first time like open relationships has been discussed. I'm just so happy to see her do so well and like call out fucking David's bullshit. It's just so good.
Speaker #1
Yeah, it is great that it's not like under a veil of something. It's actually just like, who the fuck's Madeline?
Speaker #0
Yeah, and like I've been following this press tour she's been on with their Chateau Marmotte, everything. I'm just so happy she's getting her. Big global flowers.
Speaker #1
Day in the sun.
Speaker #0
Yeah, it's a bit like when Charlie XCX had Brat. This is like, Lena Dunham called it West End Winter or something like that, which I love.
Speaker #1
West End, I like that.
Speaker #0
Yeah, instead of Brat Girl Summer. So let's go. Yeah,
Speaker #1
I wouldn't be sure about the Millie Bobby Brown and thing.
Speaker #0
I just think it's so, there's so much truth and fakeness to that, that it's very hard to read. And I'm just going to be glued to this press tour now.
Speaker #1
He's quite wicked looking, isn't he?
Speaker #0
He is, yeah. Sorry, his outfit on the red carpet. He looked like a cartoon lawyer. Like these massive pinstripes with a matching tie.
Speaker #1
Yeah, he does look like a cartoon.
Speaker #0
He does. He looks like a dastardly man.
Speaker #1
You're so right. You're so right.
Speaker #0
God, this is good. And it's great when the music is just so amazing as well. I'm glad I can end on a high.
Speaker #1
Me too. From one red carpet to another, I watched the first episode of All's Fair.
Speaker #0
Pray tell.
Speaker #1
I feel like we both say it. I definitely do that. Like, I don't like reading press or reviews before I watch things. House of Guinness was a most recent example. And I'm going to say it again. Don't read the reviews and not watch it.
Speaker #0
I really liked it. Great.
Speaker #1
It's sassy. It's hot. It's like, by no means is it supposed to be. award-winning acting like it's very like tongue-in-cheek it's like sexy and like women power and like the scenery is amazing and it's like a load of gals like what's the problem here i really liked it i only watched the first episode i did get zero percent on rotten tomatoes which i loved but i just think people need to get over this whole thing like as in what were we talking about oh was it emily in paris when it originally came out and people were like this is such garbage And I was like, It's not supposed to be excellent acting. No. Like, you know, a thrilling storyline. Like, it's bubblegum girly.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
Like, everything can't be like that. I loved it. I loved the press tour they're going on. I think they all seem like really good friends. Oh,
Speaker #0
my God. Their pajama party look gas.
Speaker #1
And Sarah Paulson is like a nut in it.
Speaker #0
Yeah. So Kim Kardashian posted, like, all the reviews on her Instagram. And some of them are so good. It's like
Speaker #1
all's fair is scream queens but for wine moms and millennial gays you just don't get it well yeah i was watching and i was like what's the problem and i was talking to people and they're like no i'm not gonna i'm not gonna watch it the reviews are awful as a year actually so uneducated like cop on what age are you it got a bad review in such and such i'm not gonna watch it if that's the way you go through life, I actually feel sorry for you.
Speaker #0
Yeah, does it need to be good? The answer is no, it doesn't. We have legendary actresses here giving the worst performances of their career. It takes a special kind of talent to pull that kind of inability out of them. Amazeballs.
Speaker #1
It's so good. Also, the guy she's with in it is so not her type. It's quite funny.
Speaker #0
Oh, good. I like seeing that for her.
Speaker #1
And the costume and stuff is fab. I really liked it. So people need to get over themselves.
Speaker #0
I saw one really good clip from it and I don't know the name of the actress and she was like, you're going to want to pull your wig forward because this is going to be... blow your mind something such a good line it's it's really like it's camp yeah I'd recommend it where is it in the like okay Emily in Paris to all and just like that like where is it in the that kind of bin oh I would say midpoint more steering towards
Speaker #1
And just like that.
Speaker #0
Okay.
Speaker #1
It's sexy, like. At one point, she's wearing this, like, waistcoat. Kim, sorry. She's wearing a waistcoat with, like, a tailored waistcoat with a matching tailored skirt on her hips. But then the camera pans and there's a thong cut out. So it dips and then she's wearing a thong in the office. Like, that's what I'm looking for.
Speaker #0
Stop. That's campy.
Speaker #1
it's done so well though it's done the most watched title on disney plus in the world ranking first in 28 countries including the united states i really like it's in the top 10 in a total of 36 territories all around the globe don't you yeah i think it'd be a good like is it a good maybe hangover watch or like when you don't need a lot of you know you want something a bit i'm just sick of these like people who think they're like on another level with their television watching and they're like oh that's like
Speaker #0
You know,
Speaker #1
like the high-low of like, you know, watching something that's very highbrow and then mixing it with the lower stuff. Like, as in just get over yourself and experience it for yourself.
Speaker #0
I might get that a go over the weekend. I've really enjoyed the press tour anyway. I think that's a lot of fun.
Speaker #1
I am too. And they're all like doing their TikTok.
Speaker #0
I just can't believe she did Graham Norton. Like, that's crazy.
Speaker #1
I need to watch it. Her and Sarah Paulson seem like, sorry, in the Kardashian show, they have...
Speaker #0
this bit of where they're on set and her and Sarah Paulson just can't stop giggling with each other it's so funny and they ask her about a jack of potato yeah and then she's like what are you talking about and then when she figures out what when Kim figures out what a jack of potato is she's like oh my god sour cream bacon chili like she has a full I love her appetite I know also who liked that lady yeah exactly you always hear of her ordering loads of food. Like I love that Kim has an actual appetite.
Speaker #1
Oh yeah.
Speaker #0
There's always like blind items and stuff about.
Speaker #1
She's doing great work on TikTok. Not miming. She's like doing full videos. It's fab.
Speaker #0
Oh good. We hate the miming. So thank you so much for that. Now before you go you have a little recommendation for us to share with the group.
Speaker #1
I do have a recommendation. To be super transparent. I just got quite an irritating professional message. So my first recommendation is don't take any shit from anyone, ladies. My second recommendation is Hilary Duff is having a resurgence. Oh,
Speaker #0
wow.
Speaker #1
She's done a new song. I think the new song's out today called Mature. And the whole thing is her older self talking to her younger self.
Speaker #0
Oh.
Speaker #1
Of her like kind of Hilary Duff.
Speaker #0
To Lizzie McGuire.
Speaker #1
Teenage days. But she's gone on to. that podcast Therapus.
Speaker #0
Oh, yeah.
Speaker #1
And she's done like, I think it's like an hour and a half with him. I love her anyway, but she's so sound. Wow. And she talks about Lizzie McGuire. She talks about being a pop star and then like now a mum. And it's a really good listen. It's a full like hour and a half. She's so nice and normal.
Speaker #0
Oh, go on.
Speaker #1
Yeah. And then she just released her new song Mature, which is quite boppy. Oh,
Speaker #0
wow.
Speaker #1
So I would recommend listening to it. It was a really nice listen.
Speaker #0
I'm glad Hills is back me too I love her also she hasn't aged a bit what the hell she looks so good she's had like she has three if not four kids what I know so I'd recommend that one great okay well thank you so much you guys for listening we hope you've enjoyed this week's visit to the trough of Goss with your sweet hogs Clara and Sophie do follow us on Instagram at houseofgossippod or at soph underscore lions at classy cabana We will be there in the DMs waiting for your thoughts on somebody, David Beckham. All's fair. Have you watched it? The Traders finale, what did you think? Do you have the same boner? Soaps for Joe Marler. And also, let's bitch about David fucking Harper. Until next week.
Speaker #1
Bye.
Speaker #0
Bye. Amazing.

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