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• Speaker #0

  Okay, ready for this dense ganache chocolate cake episode.

• Speaker #1

  Yummy.

• Speaker #0

  Packed with...

• Speaker #1

  Choc.

• Speaker #0

  Choc. Oh, it's me. It's me. It's me.

• Speaker #1

  It's me. Hey.

• Speaker #0

  Hi. Just noticed the fucking windows open. Hang on. Let me close. From the very wet streets of London, coming to you live in your little hoggy ears, it is House of Gossip with Clara and Sophie, bringing you a weekly dose of pop culture nourishment for all our little hoglets out there. We hope you are ready. We hope you are waiting at your little trough of gossip because my oh my, do we have the most densely populated episode in a... hog history, I'm just going to assume. We've got everything from politics, politics, bedazzled underpants, underpants, celebrities involved in like federal cases and a castaway. Oh, and plastic surgery, I believe. Yeah, it's all going down. It's huge. So how are you?

• Speaker #1

  It's going down. I'm fabulous, Gazzer. buzzing I really did miss chewing the old fat on the old celebrities

• Speaker #0

  I know now that we're back in the saddle now that we've got like hog between our thighs I just feel great to be back I also got great feedback on the news bulletin jingle oh thank you loved it it was great and thank you for everyone who messaged about Katy Perry I feel we've touched a nerve people are seeing through this inauthenticity and did you get stuff on it I did yeah thanks to you a few listeners who got in touch and I just think you know we're seeing right through you Katie we are.

• Speaker #1

  Were they agreeing? Interesting.

• Speaker #0

  Just like bleh was the main comment.

• Speaker #1

  Anything on Orlando.

• Speaker #0

  What's he doing? He looks a bit lost vibe.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah why is he there?

• Speaker #0

  Why is he there? I think she's just sucked his personality out. Not that I know maybe he didn't really have one to begin with but.

• Speaker #1

  I don't think he did.

• Speaker #0

  I don't know.

• Speaker #1

  From from memory.

• Speaker #0

  Now, so let's kick things off. Let's start this ganache of an episode. What are you loving? What are you hating? Je dors,

• Speaker #1

  je teste. Sadly, this is your test for me this week. But I've been feeling this for like the last few years, I think, especially living in London. You know, London's obviously a rat race anyway. Like from the second you leave the door in the morning, it is a rat race. And you kind of, sorry, excuse me. It's a rat race. Sorry. Going back to my T pronunciation, a rat race. Another rat race I found in the last few years, the whole thing about getting tickets for concerts now is just a joke.

• Speaker #0

  Yes. What is going on?

• Speaker #1

  It's so bad. The Oasis one, I tried for Oasis, but like there wasn't any passion behind it. But I was like, oh, I'll try anyway.

• Speaker #0

  Just to get involved?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, just to be one of the people. And like didn't get that. But like all the stuff I've heard afterwards with the surge pricing and stuff, like it's just ridiculous. And any time you get on, you're in a queue for the queue. It just...

• Speaker #0

  It's so stupid.

• Speaker #1

  I'm over it. It's like you can't get, you can never get tickets for anything now.

• Speaker #0

  Ticketmaster have obviously created this dynamic pricing, but Oasis agreed to it. So Oasis were like blame Ticketmaster, but they signed off on that kind of pricing.

• Speaker #1

  What I like, the pricing is another thing, but I'm just like, why can normal people not get concert tickets?

• Speaker #0

  But in fairness, I think there's something like 1.5 million tickets or 1.9 million tickets available for those Oasis gigs. That's how many... They're playing to like 80,000 people every night and they're doing loads of dates.

• Speaker #1

  But from anything, I'm just like, why can't I get tickets to see someone that I like? It's always just this like massive big deal. The same with Glastonbury. The way they do it is so ridiculous. Like, I'm over it.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, it's really annoying. And it's like... It creates this like supply demand and then it like creates all this hype. Like even if you look like the Taylor Swift tickets.

• Speaker #1

  And then there's like scalpers buying them and then the teenage girls. It's awful.

• Speaker #0

  And their poor parents get it under all this pressure. But then it also, I think, builds into the hype around the artist. Because it's like, oh my God, you need to get these tickets. The hottest tickets in town. It kind of boosts their fame.

• Speaker #1

  I just don't think our parents had this issue. No. And I'm over it.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, I'm pretty sure I remember my mum like ringing. ringing Ticketmaster ringing Ticketmaster for tickets to Boise yeah yeah same and was like yeah no problem where do you want to sit at Spice Girls yeah

• Speaker #1

  I'm over it gone what are you loving or hating sorry Sorry to start off on a negative note, but it's irritating.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, it is. I have two, okay, a micro judor and a macro judor. My micro judor is, since our break, I have become, I wouldn't say I'm a yogi, but I like just love yoga now.

• Speaker #1

  Oh my God.

• Speaker #0

  I still hate downward facing dogs. But oh my God, I did a class yesterday and I nearly cried with happiness. I was like, what has happened?

• Speaker #1

  Is it hot yoga or normal yoga?

• Speaker #0

  Just run of the mill yoga. There's just this one teacher who's just really good at... moving your body in a way that like unlocks things i need to do that just i just felt this like elation and i was just like a nearly and you know what i was saying thank you for the class like my voice broke i was like what's happening so love yoga my macro jador is i read this scintillating article on bbc about the i was just hooked to it i'm basically just i'll put it in the show notes but like i'm basically just going to regurgitate it to you right here right now But it's all about Philip Schofield's return to showbiz. And it's talking about the PR strategy. We talk about cancelled celebs on this podcast all the time, from like Lizzo to Ellen DeGeneres to Johnny Depp, all those people. Philip Schofield, last year, 15 months ago, the news broke of him having that kind of affair with the younger colleague that was unwise but not illegal. his new like motto that he says anytime he's like near a microphone. So this BBC article talks through this astute PR comeback and it kind of goes through the narrative that they are kind of trying to sow. So you've probably seen headlines of him doing this castaway show and it starts this week. So we'll see how it all unfolds. But Scofield has turned down loads of other offers. especially from I'm a Celeb. There's loads of rumours about him doing that. There was Celebrity Big Brother, all these things. But they said that he's chosen to do this castaway show. So it's 10 days on an island in the Indian Ocean. No food, no water, no camera crew. It's just him with loads of different, his own like GoPros.

• Speaker #1

  No food.

• Speaker #0

  No food. He's taught how to survive, but it's like this 10 day survival castaway, me on my own on the island. I always find this thing of like, I suppose that's why I'm a celeb is so successful. It's like anyone who has kind of like a tarnished reputation, the public need to see them suffer as kind of a way to like kiss the ring or to like bow to us, to like show us how fucking sorry you are. That fucking bug. I want a scorpion crawling all over your crotch. I want you drowning in snakes. You know, they want the public needs, particularly the British public need. Like if someone has a scandal, it needs them to endear the public back in their favour. They need to do something that is like that strips them of all what made them who they were. Right. So the choice that this article, which I'm regurgitating, the choice to do Castaway instead of going on I'm a Celeb or another show like that is it's all pre-recorded this show. So they know the edit and they know what to promote and what releases to give.

• Speaker #1

  And what to take out.

• Speaker #0

  Headlines to the papers and what to take. Classic. They have all full control of the edit. Not like they would at I'm a Celeb. And then he's because he's doing it on his own. And particularly because like nobody wants to like no one will do anything with Philip Schofield because then their celebrity persona is attached to him. So because it's on his own, there's no other clashes with other celebrities. So it's just him. him on his own. It's not him justifying himself to other people. It's him telling his side of the story. And because it's not on a big channel like BBC or ITV, it's a way for him to test how the show goes down with viewers and without involving anybody else. So he's dipping his toe in with no kind of scrutiny of other people challenging him like they would around a campfire or around like the Big Brother sofas. And because of all these like tough conditions that he'll be living in, it's like his kind of renewal. In all the promo clips, it's like, this is my chance to tell my side of the story. I know what I did was unwise, but is it enough to absolutely destroy someone? So I think he's kind of trying to justify going like, it wasn't that bad kind of thing. Like, please forgive me kind of thing. But I don't know, I think because he was lying the whole time and there was all those other stories around him, like being hard to work with and there was more than one affair and blah, blah. It just seems really inauthentic. Like in those clips, it seems like very performative and very like it's just real PR swing of like, oh, it's not that bad. It's not that bad. The article kind of closes going like, well, Channel 5 could definitely be a future employer of Philip Schofield because he won't do ITV and he won't do BBC now. And it's got an older, probably more forgiving audience that know him better.

• Speaker #1

  Do you think they filmed it and then pitched it or the way around?

• Speaker #0

  I don't know. But like also from a security point of view, you can't just. dump someone on an island so there definitely had to be other people on the island.

• Speaker #1

  Oh sorry, there's definitely people on the island.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, or from like a health and safety point of view. Like a doctor, like if he's not eating.

• Speaker #1

  Or on sea, 100%.

• Speaker #0

  So yeah, his road to redemption has begun. So we'll see how it goes down. Anyway, I just gobbled it up. It was just very interesting to see how the like cogs are moving.

• Speaker #1

  That is interesting.

• Speaker #0

  It was really interesting and I don't know if I'm personally ready to... Not that I ever really like... I never watched this this morning or anything but... he was such a staple of like British TV life and like, I suppose, like how you navigate. And like what he did, it was, it wasn't illegal, but it was unwise. But it's just, he just seems very eager to get back in the spotlight.

• Speaker #1

  I think as well, you know, when someone has constant... publicity and money coming in and he was always on the other side of the couch questioning Kerry Katona when she seemed a bit off on air and all those things when someone's doing that for so long in the viewer's head you have them on like the right side of the law and like not on a pedestal but you know what I mean it's like that kind of stuff so when very true when it completely turns and they're vulnerable and people are saying like what were you doing it's a teeny bit entertaining to watch because like he was a bit of a judge he was such a judge Judy I didn't I didn't watch it but I remember just seeing even like the Kerry Katona one you couldn't do that now but like I thought that was quite cruel yeah I know there's producers behind that but like yeah but still

• Speaker #0

  I have no interest in him as a person though like I don't I know it's just interesting how quick he's coming back and the strategy behind it yeah it's very interesting we'll link it in the show notes but it was just a juicy little read about this yeah man's little conniving little comeback. But anyway, now on to the news.

• Speaker #1

  Thank you, Clara. But have you seen any of this stuff about the questioning going on in the Oireachtas of the, I'm sure you saw a while ago, the bike shed. outside, is it Leinster House?

• Speaker #0

  Yes.

• Speaker #1

  So the bike shed on Leinster House and then also this security hut outside government buildings. It's so ridiculous. So they're asking the Department of Finance what they spent and why they spent on their smudging the TDs. It's going back to the kind of RT scandal and that way of questioning.

• Speaker #0

  Oh no.

• Speaker #1

  Now it's moved focus to a body, which is so much better than just doing it towards bloody Ryan Tuberty, the poor guy. They're saying that it was revealed that a security hut at the entrance to government buildings cost more than 1.4 million.

• Speaker #0

  What the hell?

• Speaker #1

  If you saw this security hut, it's like, I'm not good at width or depth, but it's a little, like it's a glass. It's on a box, maybe a couple of boxes with just a curved tin roof and it costs 1.4 million. and they're saying what's going on. And they're obviously also under scrutiny for spending £336,000 on a glass-covered bike shelter on the grounds of Leinster House. It's not even a bike shelter. It's like a bike roof. And it looks like it only houses like 20 bikes, but they're all saying this is really disrespectful to the taxpayer, the questioning. Yes. it's like it's like porn it's so good I was watching like clips and then full bits and they're saying like who's reviewing these because like these are these aren't competitively priced who's signing off but they're saying there needs to be someone to answer for this because at the moment there's not a person that can go in and look at what the quote is and then approve it. There's no one person who can answer back, basically. And they're saying that that's what needs to happen. But the guy who is the head of the Department of Finance, they asked about the security hut and he said that they are fairly significant costs, but that the project included mechanical and electrical systems that connected to the government building campuses. If you saw the hut, it's an absolute joke. It's just a oblivion of expenditure and no one there's no one to answer to somebody signing off like millions to spend on a hut because it's a department like it's a body so it's just like I suppose it just goes up ranks and like let's say one person does it and then the person above them goes yeah fine it's not competitively priced the bike shed the bike shed there's like 1.4 million and like it's just it's unbelievable what's happening and like I do kind of love everything that's kind of being uncovered and I just

• Speaker #0

  I like I'm gasping for more stuff to come out like all your tax paying money going in to fund a fucking bike shed yeah and they're always talking about like

• Speaker #1

  like the homeless crisis and all this kind of stuff. And then they're just...

• Speaker #0

  Use that money to help someone.

• Speaker #1

  I know. It's so, like, sorry, it's obviously not entertaining, but like...

• Speaker #0

  The security one, like the roof is quite, it's like, it's an architectural...

• Speaker #1

  It's very camp.

• Speaker #0

  It's got a bit of flourish. It's got panache.

• Speaker #1

  I know it's a government building. So like, you needed to have a bit of sass.

• Speaker #0

  There's cheaper ways of doing it. I agree. It looks like a wave, the roof.

• Speaker #1

  And it's kind of bronzy copper.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, I don't think they needed to use those materials. I think you can do a far more modest one for a security hut.

• Speaker #1

  They also said about the bike shed that it was in keeping with its surroundings from like a sustainability point of view. Like, it's just like your man. Like, I feel sorry for him. Yeah, if anyone needs something to take you out of your...

• Speaker #0

  Drury L Tuesday have a look at that make you annoyed yeah that's my political piece for this week

• Speaker #1

  politics with sophie and back back to you in the studio clara now clara for my topics this week i have a few bits and pieces that i picked up uh i know you've a big juicy one so mine is a bit more quick and delish i don't know jojo siwa my favorite blogger or whatever she is has made turns head heads turn this week she's on a new magazine cover called lady gun with two n's she's 21 bear in mind i haven't talked about her since obviously since the break but um if anyone knows i'm quite a fan of jojo siwa she's quite outrageous but she's pushing the boundaries this week she is wearing a bejeweled tone mailed torso corset on the cover and then like very gladiator yeah kind of a plate I could see someone wearing it at the Met Gala yes and to add to it she's wearing a matching rhinestone studded thong which features phallic detailing it's like a cup she's wearing a willy like a diamond willy if any of you are on your phones just have a quick look so you can have it's like a budgie smuggler sorry it's not like a bejeweled actual willy it's like as if she was wearing speedos with the big willy things called jock straps yeah it's like a bejeweled jock strap and this obviously caused another ream of controversy around her she's only 21 I think she's doing Eurovision for Poland next year there's rumors of that she's rehearsing for that I think she just loves the shock value and I love it for her like I think when you look at her she's having a bit of crack I do think she's doing kind of like what Miley Cyrus did

• Speaker #0

  10 years ago when she came out with bangers yes you know the shock factor is real she's wearing a bejeweled willy yes I do like the gender bendiness of it I think that's cool and it was nice to see her actually in more I think she is doing it to like grab a headline for sure because she loves the publicity look she drives a car with her face printed all over it so she's doing it to kind of create waves but I do really appreciate the the gender bendiness of it and the photos are cool it was nice seeing her in something that wasn't so like rainbow or that construction worker aesthetic she has going on I'm just so sick of that it's a costume where it was nice seeing her in something a bit more like fashion-y or something a bit less costume.

• Speaker #1

  I agree I'd love to know who's making her decisions also there's you know that Demi Lovato documentary she's doing on child stars. Okay, so it's come out on Disney. I haven't watched it yet because someone locked me out of my Disney account, so I need to resubscribe. Fucker. So, once I resubscribe, I'll be watching it. But Demi Lovato has this new documentary and she's interviewing like Drew Barrymore, Raven-Symoné. Wow. You know that one Alison Statter, she was in Cheaper by the Dozen and Missy Elliott's video. That girl,

• Speaker #0

  her parents took all her money. Oh, yeah, she's a good story.

• Speaker #1

  Did they?

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. Yeah, they basically, she basically, all her money was supposed to, like, go on an account that you can't touch until you're 18. And, like, I think her parents, like, robbed it from her, basically. Or put themselves on big salaries. Who else? Oh,

• Speaker #1

  Keenan Thompson from Keenan and Kel. Like, there's loads of people in it. And there's a few clips. And your one, Alison, is, like, when we were working on Camp Rock, you were, like, quite difficult to work with. And then Raven Simone is, like, yeah, like, I'm not, I'm going to be honest. Like, it was, you weren't friendly. All this kind of stuff. Anyway, apparently...

• Speaker #0

  Is Demi just sitting there going...

• Speaker #1

  Well, I think she's basically talking about how her childhood led to a load of destruction for her and, you know, child stardom is really difficult and stuff.

• Speaker #0

  Right.

• Speaker #1

  Because she, you know, the way she's had loads of struggles. But apparently Jojo Siwa in it was like, I never realized I was the first child star to come out ever.

• Speaker #0

  Oh, good Jojo.

• Speaker #1

  She was like, there's no other child start to come out. So I do like, I kind of like the way she's wearing Bejeweled's male chests because it is kind of unprecedented, if you will. She is a bit like Looper, but it's not boring.

• Speaker #0

  No, it's a cringe watch, but you kind of feel sorry for her rather than a hate watch.

• Speaker #1

  But I can't stop watching. I can't stop looking. It's so awkward, but it's good. So have a look at her Bejeweled Willie, if you have time, ladies.

• Speaker #0

  Secondly,

• Speaker #1

  there's a Days digital piece, which is very interesting. I don't know if anyone has seen. Christina Aguilera lately has... She looks like she was 20 years ago. Her face, her bod, her outfits, everything. She looks unbelievable. And it's like, I think it's 25 years of Christina Aguilera and she's only 43, but they're saying that her recent appearance has sparked discussion. They're saying she's on different types of weight loss, I don't know, treatments, whatever you call them. But also like the work that she has done to her face. They're saying that this is now. the undetectable era of plastic surgery. People are wondering like, what is it that's different? And it's just like she hasn't aged. So this doctor is saying it's like a natural look and it's about maintaining her youth because she's 43 now and this is looking like she was in like early 2000s. But he's saying it's all towards skincare. So like all these growth factors that are revolutionizing technology.

• Speaker #0

  Okay.

• Speaker #1

  So that's where you get it from patients. blood we can also source them from things like bone marrow unbiblical cords and even bioengineering them in the lab and these treatments can dramatically improve the aging process of the skin and it's taking the aesthetic skin world to an entirely new level so he's saying that that's what's going on with her it's all these growth factors whoa and also if you look at someone like lindsey lohan she's also undetectable era you can't tell anything have you seen her recently yeah

• Speaker #0

  I think people are moving away from that kind of like turkey teeth, plumped up face and into more natural looking, never aging.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. Like also, if you look at Gwen Stefani, she's never aged.

• Speaker #0

  Actually, she's a really good one.

• Speaker #1

  Isn't she? And they're all saying like now because you're not aging like people used to, it gives more longevity in their careers. Because, you know, they say actresses, once they hit like 35 or something, they're playing 50 year old mums. And they're saying this is the opportunity. But then also from a psychological aspect, what does that do? We don't know.

• Speaker #0

  Very interesting. Because like, look at J-Lo. She's 52, 53. She looks better than ever. Beyonce looks better than ever. Like Gwyneth Paltrow. I know she probably has a few gut cleansing juices to thank for and weird fucking plants to thank for that. But like, she's, you're right about it extending your career. Russell Kane, you know, that kind of quiffy English comedian, black hair.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• Speaker #0

  He looks insane. Google him now. Why? Google him now. Why? If you look at him. Google. Google him now, Russell Kane. Just Google image him, right? And I'll tell you his age. Yeah. 49. Oh. That man is 50 and he looks 41. What,

• Speaker #1

  does he have a supplement company?

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, it's called Jolt. Biohacking bitches.

• Speaker #1

  Benjamin Button City, I'm here for it.

• Speaker #0

  So because, sorry, just on the note of plastic surgery. finished the perfect couple. Nicole Kidman's face is, her forehead's like an ice rink. And I think it's suited that character. But then, you know, that kind of kooky French lady who's there and nobody really knew why. She looked like Cher.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Her face was like plasticine. Those two ladies in that show, the faces are frozen and the wigs. I'm so sick of Nicole Kidman and her weird blonde wigs. They're not working. Get a better wig, woman.

• Speaker #1

  They're not working for you.

• Speaker #0

  They're not working for you. It's multi-toned. It never moves. And once you notice it...

• Speaker #1

  I didn't notice the wig.

• Speaker #0

  Her and the share lady, the woman who looks like Cher in that thing, in Perfect Couple, the wig game is, they really, the budget was huge for this. But they really scrimped on the wigs.

• Speaker #1

  The budget was massive. I just saw your one. You know your one, Megan Fahey? She's so hot. She's my girl crush.

• Speaker #0

  She's captivating.

• Speaker #1

  She's amazing. She had to do a body mold because, you know, the way obviously, I don't think this is a spoiler because it happens in the first episode. Her body washes up and she had to do it for hours and hours where they make a mold like to her body as in like it wasn't a generic body. Like that alone in the budget would have been insane. insane like just make a generic bod and the dance oh my god

• Speaker #0

  I love the dance like the first episode I was like what is this and like by episode 6 I was dancing on the couch I thought maybe it had something to do with the story but no no I like the way it kind of jars oh my god I loved it I loved it it definitely wasn't like like it was sold to me as a bit of a white lotus it was definitely a bit more cheesier than white lotus a little bit it didn't it I think there was a good few plateaus. I agree. And it felt a bit rushed.

• Speaker #1

  I agree with you. At the end, I was like, I wanted more at the end when we found out who it was.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, and it was kind of like, oh, the last person standing or like, it could be this, but like, let's explore every single avenue. I just, it wasn't as slick as, say, White Lotus.

• Speaker #1

  I couldn't agree with you more.

• Speaker #0

  I love an ensemble cast. I love. Eve Hewson and Nicole Kidman. I could watch them just have pissy little arguments with them all day. The whole show could have been about that and I would have been happy.

• Speaker #1

  The dad, he's really hot.

• Speaker #0

  I thought he was very good in the sense that like, from like, okay, he's a serial adulterer. But he's so charming and such a fucking stoner. It was a bit, all the joints were a bit, he was just, probably doesn't remember.

• Speaker #1

  Also, I thought a plot hole was that we didn't find out what was happening with him and the maid because there was definitely something that they were about to go into that they didn't explore or they cut.

• Speaker #0

  Or they cut, yeah. Or they just didn't have time to film. But like, they did him very well in the sense of like, because he's very charming. Oh, I know. And he is that like alpha dog. He's so flawed. But then there was that, I think that explained it quite well in the sense that like the gaslighting that went on from him or his cheating and all his lying. But he's still really charming. And I thought that that was a that was quite interesting because you really warm to him, even though he's such an arsehole. I agree. So that was quite clever.

• Speaker #1

  And apparently he really threw himself into the dance routine.

• Speaker #0

  Good on him.

• Speaker #1

  Good on him, sure. You know, apparently the rest of the cast were like freaking out and he just came in ready dancing. That's my dream.

• Speaker #0

  Well, you can really see it. That's.

• Speaker #1

  It is. Sorry, I got a bit way late. My third bulletin point is the Victoria's Secret fashion show is coming back.

• Speaker #0

  What?

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, it was cancelled in 2019. I think everyone remembers how kind of out of touch they became. And was it the CEO said some stuff about like transgender models and stuff? Bit of a sticky area. But they're coming back and they're filming on October 15th. And Cher is the headliner. also tyla who i really like she's so sexy yeah tyla's also performing a k-pop rapper lisa from the band black pink oh yeah they're huge i've heard of them gg hadid's in it tyra banks is coming back for it and they're like just kind of bread crumbing information at the moment well i'd be very interested to see how they modernize this because it was just victoria's secret is one of those brands similar to mac makeup

• Speaker #0

  who just never, not that Mac Makeup's done anything wrong, but just has never changed.

• Speaker #1

  Never developed, no.

• Speaker #0

  They've never developed. They've never tried to stay up with competition. With Charlotte Tilbury, say, Mac has just like, just kind of stayed the same. Especially during COVID, like Victoria's Secret, like just always stayed the same. Stayed with this, like in their lane of, you have to be a Brazilian glamazon freak of... science, what's humanly possible for how beautiful a woman should look and just never, ever, well, until they got kind of stopped in their tracks and people just stopped buying them because that kind of like, I always associate Victoria's Secret with American Pie, that kind of like teeny tiny blonde girl with huge boobs and like the pink satiny bra.

• Speaker #1

  I have to say, I'm all about inclusion and diversity, but... I think inclusion for inclusion's sake is becoming a bit exhausting to a point where it's not authentic to the brand.

• Speaker #0

  They're only doing it because people are calling them out for it. And it's a it's a it's a like a grab for cash because they're like shit.

• Speaker #1

  And I just know now what we're in store for with the show. And that's not authentic to who they are. And I think if it's not authentic to the brand, it just looks stupid. It's like, it's like Katy Perry.

• Speaker #0

  It's, oh my God, I was just about to say that.

• Speaker #1

  It's like Katy Perry, she's just doing stuff because she's like, I think this is cool. Like I'll, I'll get robot legs made and like, I'll wear like flesh coloured corsets and there's no meaning behind it.

• Speaker #0

  There's no substance. It's just inauthentic.

• Speaker #1

  This isn't in their brand DNA. So I just, I know exactly what I'm in for. And again, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with diversity. I'm all for it and inclusion. but to a point where it makes sense to the brand. And I know it won't marry up to their guidelines.

• Speaker #0

  No, and it'll look like a copy of the Fenty shows, Rihanna's, where she had like disability models. She had Lizzo. She had non-binary people.

• Speaker #1

  She had a woman in labor going down.

• Speaker #0

  You know.

• Speaker #1

  But that's that brand.

• Speaker #0

  And that's the problem with those longstanding brands is to change perception is so hard. You're trying to, it's like trying to move a cruise ship. in the Suez Canal.

• Speaker #1

  Totally. But they could have just like, if they just toned it down a bit, they wouldn't have had to do this whole reworking and be so, what I'm assuming is going to be extremely inauthentic. Because like, Victoria's Secret reminds me of like, Y2K. Like, do you remember going into their shops and it would be Bejeweled and Boudoir and like, That's a bit of fun to go into. And I know their sales declined, but like I still love trotting into one every now and again and just seeing what's going on.

• Speaker #0

  They should really go down the Anne Summers route and make it a really sexy brand rather than trying to go, I don't know, own their past.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, because it is sexy.

• Speaker #0

  But not do tokenistic moves. Totally. To try and get more cash out of people.

• Speaker #1

  Also since then loads of models have come out being like I've never been more uncomfortable as I was when I was working on the Victoria's Secret fashion show.

• Speaker #0

  But then now why are people like Tyra Banks and fucking Cher and Tyler signing on?

• Speaker #1

  That's what I'm wondering because they were like backstage was like absolutely horrific and all these different stuff and it was always played as this like really fun like it was so fun when it was in its peak and they had all these amazing artists I just like I'll be interested to see but Cher will be amazing.

• Speaker #0

  God. I know. Just feels a bit box-ticky until we see it in real life, but I think it'll just look like a knock-off of Fenty. So we've been, in a way, avoiding talking about this topic because it's just so dark and depressing. It's a layer of Hollywood that we're only just being enlightened into, but now I think, as the case is really going full gung-ho... the web is being uncovered. We just have to talk about it. So Diddy's been arrested for racketeering conspiracy, sex trafficking by force and transportation for purposes of prostitution. The feds have been raiding his many, many properties for the last while now. And as everyone knows, they found the thousand bottles of baby oil for his freak offs in which the freak offs were meant to be these big like orgy parties that people needed like. IV drips afterwards due to exhaustion or to like keep going. And it's coming out now. So there's 11 accusers. He's pleading non-guilty. He's been denied bail twice, even after an offer of $50 million.

• Speaker #1

  He put up his mum's house, didn't he, for clavicle or something? Yeah,

• Speaker #0

  like I'd love to know his, because he always talks so warmly about his mum in any interview. He is eager to testify. He is eager to get in front of a jury to like prove his innocence. The next court date appearance is October 9th. I think the white parties were kind of at a surface level.

• Speaker #1

  It's quite confusing.

• Speaker #0

  Because I think the white parties were the kind of the surface level. But then underneath you had the freak offs. So it's a bit like what I'm imagining it is, you know, the way when you go to or like there are some clubs, especially in Germany. Let's take what's the big one that no one can get into? Bergheim. Bergheim. At the level. to top level, just a bit of a raver all night event. But as you go lower, the kind of darker, more sexual it gets. So the freak offs might have been happening on like a regular Tuesday. I don't know how linked, just because somebody went to a white party doesn't mean that they were in a freak off. Because there's so many people. involved in this much it's basically Puff Daddy is like the Weinstein or the Epstein of fucking music at this point so I'd say loads of people are staying really quiet because loads of people are involved and it's like who knew what and who did nothing about like who just standed by and watched it all happen so apparently in some of the freak-offs what would happen was he would like orchestrate or coerce people into doing this via spiking like a lot of time even if people ask for water it would be laced with drugs So then they would get them into these positions, like a sexual position. Everything would be videotaped. And then Diddy would use that to bribe people. So much like what Epstein did. To bribe. So say Leonardo DiCaprio. Okay. He was a big white party goer. So say DiCaprio goes to that party and say he gets spiked. Allegedly say he gets spiked. So he say he gets into some kind of sexy orgy time with girls who probably aren't consenting into it, who might have been trafficked. You know, like it's not a very legal situation in terms of consent. And then it's all videotaped. And then after it, Diddy will go, well, I want to be in your next movie, Leo. I've got these videos for you. So he used those hidden videos as leverage.

• Speaker #1

  Like blackmail.

• Speaker #0

  Yes. From my understanding, what the prosecution are saying, that's how he used it to get ahead. Because he was able to bribe. And then the more powerful he got, he got this huge rep. Also, it's not only Diddy doing this. There were cameramen. There were like a whole team orchestrating this. It's not just Diddy doing this.

• Speaker #1

  Cameramen?

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. It's mad.

• Speaker #1

  Oh, it wasn't like a phone in the corner?

• Speaker #0

  No. So one sex worker, a male sex worker, has turned in a freak off tape that he had on the condition. You know the way if you like give the feds loads of information, you can't be prosecuted. So he's allowed. Yeah. And he said that he's a sex worker and has sex with a woman while... Diddy videotapes and gets involved. So which harks back to what Diddy's lawyers are saying and how they're defending this. So what they're saying was they're calling freak-offs what they used to call threesomes, which does kind of tie in. But by all accounts, there's been orgies going on. The line of the defense is the feds want to take down a successful black man. They're disregarding his visionary for business and his billionaire mogul lifestyle. and reducing him to activities in the bedroom. And it's like, but we've all seen the fucking video of you beating up Cassie. Like, you're no fucking angel here, Tiddy. Like, why? That's kind of clutching a straw. Christ. But now, like, everybody's staying very silent. You have a lot of people deleting a lot of social media right now. You've got loads of people wiping Instagrams, wiping Twitter pages.

• Speaker #1

  And wiping and deleting following him. Like, unfollowing him.

• Speaker #0

  100%. And it's a bit like that kind of makes me look a little bit more guilty. And you can't just delete the past. Hello, like the internet is full of sleuths that are going to pull up all these things on you. But you have people like Aubrey from, what's her second name? Aubrey from...

• Speaker #1

  Aubrey from Danity Kane. Aubrey O'Day.

• Speaker #0

  Aubrey O'Day. She's been calling him out for years now and we listen to her. Or when all this stuff was coming out. And like she was always very honest, being like, I'm not going to answer any of those questions. Like, no, he's awful. No one was listening. 50 Cent has been calling him out for literally 10 years. Because they were friends, but they started feuding. when he said that Diddy was involved with Biggie's shooting, which is weird because they were meant to be very close. And 50 Cent called Diddy's parties fruity, which I think is laced in a little bit of homophobia. And I think a lot of this is laced in homophobia, like just because the sexual relationships were, doesn't matter if they were hetero or homo, you know, there's still, what matters is the consent. It doesn't, like... I feel a lot of the attention is going on the fact that he could be gay or like engaged in like gay sex or whatever.

• Speaker #1

  That did he is.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. Like these were like orgies. So but I think, though, when you get to this level of fame, having sex isn't about gender. It's about power and knowing that every single person in the room wants to have sex with you because you are this like worldwide global superstar. But anyway, back to 50 Cent. He's been calling him out for years and it's just mad that we're only listening now and he has that Netflix show coming out 10 years in the making. Netflix has just bought it and it's called Did He Do It? Love. So Eminem was calling him out as well. Eminem released a song back in July warning about Did He? And the lyrics are so good. He goes, I'm like an R-A-P-E-R Yeah. Got so many S-A's Yeah. S-A's, like the letter. Wait, did he just spell the word rapper, leave out a P, did he? So it spells raper. And then he goes, did he just spell the word rapper? No, he left out a P. Diddy. Ooh.

• Speaker #1

  Where did you see that?

• Speaker #0

  It's in one of Eminem's songs.

• Speaker #1

  Oh my God.

• Speaker #0

  There's loads of people on TikTok figuring it out. Yeah.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, sorry. TikTok is like a world I don't explore, but I feel like all the conspiracies and just like reading into everything goes on there. Yeah.

• Speaker #0

  Because we talked about in a previous episode about like where the fuck has Beyonce gone since she released her record. and the rumour has it that it's because of all these Diddy revelations that are going to come out about the two of them and what they knew about Puff Daddy.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah, so sorry, I've heard that they're saying that Jay-Z is at the top of this.

• Speaker #0

  Allegedly. Allegedly. So they've been friends for 30 years. Jay-Z is the only man allowed to call Diddy Sean, except for Sean's mum, Iroh. It's like, ooh, cool. And they've been like kind of business partners. They've been friends for years. Always went to the Y parties. But now they've gone really quiet on it. And Jay-Z has shown no public support for Diddy. No one's shown him any public support. Like you'd be fucking, he's a hot potato. Like, why would you bother? 50 Cent noted that Jay-Z seemed to abandon Combs amid the allegations, despite their friendship. And they're saying... OK, if Jay-Z was just a friend and didn't know anything about the freak offs, he could be subpoenaed because he could have like witnessed it, but didn't. He might not have participated. He might have just witnessed it. And it's a bit of like, why were you a bystander? So he could be subpoenaed.

• Speaker #1

  There's also just so much that I feel like we're going to find out in like the next week, like about like Ashton Kutcher and Justin Bieber is a big thing that they're saying.

• Speaker #0

  The Justin Bieber one is so dark because he was so young.

• Speaker #1

  I don't really understand the Justin Bieber one. They're saying what, like he was exposed to it?

• Speaker #0

  To understand it, we need to go a little bit further back to Usher.

• Speaker #1

  Yes.

• Speaker #0

  Because Usher lived with Diddy from the age of 14. That's not great. And Usher told Howard Stern in an interview that it was L.A. Reid's idea, you know, the music producer. And it was like L.A. Reid was like, you need to see the lifestyle. Now, what 14 year old boy needs to be exposed to that? And whether or not L.A. Reid knew about the freak offs, we don't know. But Howard Stern asked Usher. was like, oh, there must have just been topless girls and orgies everywhere. And he said, and Usher said, I couldn't indulge in it, yet even understand what was going on. And then a few years later, Usher told Rolling Stone that there was orgies all the time. And since the news has broken, Usher has completely deleted his Twitter saying he was hacked. Like, yes, you fully deleted it. Because like, who knows what like old tweets that people can like dig out. So then with the Bieber thing. Usher discovers Bieber and obviously with Usher's close relationship with Diddy, Diddy gets to know Bieber. And similar thing happens like as a 15 year old, Diddy, there's this really weird clip that has gone viral of Diddy saying that he is 48 hours custody of the 15 year old Justin Bieber.

• Speaker #1

  But is the stuff saying that he's very distressed, is that because he was just exposed to a lot of gross stuff when he was 15?

• Speaker #0

  It could have been similar to what happened with Usher, being like, if you see all these orgies going on, or like if people are out of it having sex, you don't know, nobody knows really what was going on. Yeah. To maybe correlate the two. But remember Justin Bieber had, when he was like, I don't know, mid-twenties, he had like a bit of a breakdown and he wasn't well, and he had to go to rehab and all this stuff. They're saying like, well, maybe he was exposed, maybe he was groomed. Maybe that played a part. And like he's choosing not to speak out about an outlook. He's just a baby. He doesn't need to explain himself to anyone. But all these revelations might give some context to what Justin Bieber went through. And Diddy was like, oh, it was like, this is a 15 year old's dream to have, be under my custody for 48 hours. So he said, I've been given custody of Bieber. He signed Usher and I had legal guardianship of Usher when he did his first album. I don't have legal guardianship of Bieber, but for the next 48 hours, he's with me and we're going to go full crazy. It just feels like a lot of like weird shit. Then there's like also like Naomi Campbell was like, she was at Diddy's 54th birthday and was like hanging out. She was hanging out with him last year. There's rumors they went out. She's also wiped her photos. Janet Jackson's wiped her photos. Then you have Ashton Kutcher. who was literally like the king of going to the white parties. He really embraced that era. And when he was on that Hot Wings show, you know, that YouTube series. Yeah,

• Speaker #1

  I saw that.

• Speaker #0

  And he was just like, they were like, tell me about the Diddy parties. And he was like, oh, I can't, there's a lot I can't tell. I'm cycling through them all. Can't tell, can't tell, can't tell. And he was just like, oh, they were just some like weird memories. Then there was like rumours during the week that Mila Kunis was like leaving him. But then the sources, i.e. Ashton and Mila, have said. via a source to People magazine that no, no, no, she's staying where she is or whatever. But like that couple cannot stop embroiling themselves in fucking sexual misconduct. Like whether it's defending that fucking sicko. What's his name? Danny Masterson. They defended... Remember those letters got leaked of them trying to plea for Danny Masterson?

• Speaker #1

  They're in hot water a lot in the last few years,

• Speaker #0

  aren't they? They wrote a letter to a court to support Danny Masterson who's being sentenced for rape.

• Speaker #1

  They did an apology video, didn't they?

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, which was bullshit. And then they resigned from... They had a child sex abuse organisation that they were head of that they had to resign from because they got caught defending a fucking rapist. So it's just like... I think it's coming down to like what people knew and when and like, OK, if it was part of the culture, why? Because you always heard about his white parties and like everybody was going there. And then there was that clip of the Kardashians where Khloe comes in drunk and she was like, I was on a plane at half five from a Diddy party. Kourtney was like obsessed with going to those parties. And like Khloe was in an old clip of the Kardashians was like, oh, there was just naked people everywhere. So it's kind of like did the white. parties turn kind of saucy at one point what we find out in the as this kind of case goes on it's oh my god and just to finish j-lo so when i won tiktok thing i did look at i don't know how true it is but all there's apparently because he's recorded everything there's tapes of everything now what's been destroyed in the meantime we don't know but there was something they were called the diddy tapes and apparently this one tinfoil hat was like there's videos of j-lo embroiled in all of this And that was the reason that her and Ben Affleck divorced. Oh. Speculation. Who knows? But. Oh,

• Speaker #1

  my God.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah. It's really quite dark. And it is such a web of so many people. So those kind of federal cases, they don't take them up unless they know they're going to win. And they just are really fucking gung ho.

• Speaker #1

  Yeah. It seems like it's just been a very long time coming from what they have, basically, isn't it? And I feel like loads of people are going to get out of it in the next while.

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, but then if you look at it, like, because there's so much money involved in it and like, will it be like an Epstein thing of like, you know, what if he dies and all the information goes with him? Or like,

• Speaker #1

  what if he's in the same holding place as Jeffrey Epstein?

• Speaker #0

  Yeah, it's interesting. Or like, because he knows, because he could just start like squawking and, you know, to get a plea deal to get out of a prison sentence. And he could take all those people down with him. So like, he could reveal and go like, I'm going to.

• Speaker #1

  tell you everything you need to know and then maybe he's like much like Epstein better off dead apparently he's not eating because he thinks someone's gonna poison him interesting isn't it so interesting wow Gazza thank you for bringing me because I found it very confusing trying to read everything there's a lot of content it's a lot it's really a lot and like there's a lot of jokes online about the thousand bottles of baby oil and

• Speaker #0

  I see all the jokes and like, okay, it is like a weird thing to find in somebody's house. But I also think like there are victims at the heart of this and it isn't actually, I don't think we should be joking too much about. I get that it's a funny thing to laugh about, but, because it's such a weird thing to find. But I do, like a lot of my feed is like making light of the baby oil, but I do think it is actually disgusting and really dark. Yeah,

• Speaker #1

  it is.

• Speaker #0

  I agree. So yeah, on that downer.

• Speaker #1

  I'm sure we'll know more about this by next week.

• Speaker #0

  What a dense episode.

• Speaker #1

  I know. I feel like I've learned a lot. And I'm kind of depressed now.

• Speaker #0

  Fizzing after that. He's just such a charming man. And then his public persona.

• Speaker #1

  I know. And everyone wanted to party with him.

• Speaker #0

  I know. He was like, no, Mr. Party.

• Speaker #1

  Now no one wants to party with him.

• Speaker #0

  It makes you just look at the whole culture and the network that he created to support him and the fear that came down around him. was just shows you how people use fame and power in the worst way possible really yeah so then I think with Diddy I just feel like there'll be an unjust end that like you know we won't find out the real network of it he'll be the scapegoat and that's it it's terrifying whoo it's my chance for a recommendation this week yes let's lift us up soaps

• Speaker #1

  I'm gonna give a recommendation that I actually haven't watched but I've heard it's amazing and once I get my Disney account activated I will be watching it's The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, I think it's called. I've heard it's excellent. I think it's only eight or ten episodes. And I've watched the trailer. It looks nuts. And I've heard great things about it.

• Speaker #0

  Everyone's talking about it.

• Speaker #1

  Any show involving a wife, that's reality. I'll be there.

• Speaker #0

  So I watched, I came recommended to me by great listener Becky. Because my reality TV scape is Drag Race or like Married at First Sight. Like very... either dating related or drag related. For me to jump from that to a wives show was I think I should have done a Gateway Housewives. into Roger Secret Lives of Mormon Wives because it was just too much of a gear change but all the girls who watch in Housewives love it it is I thought Mormons could have like 80 loads of wives I thought it was polygamy but this one can't and they all look the exact same they have this like real Kardashian look and they might be like 23 but they look like I'm really excited because of just they have that like frozen face and they're like hot moms and then the inner politics it is it's housewives on crack from what I gather yeah I'm really excited when they all turn on each other it's um it's electric yeah yeah I'm really excited to watch it good for the winter when the flashing rain outside at least you can be cosy don't put something in it's puffing season thank

• Speaker #1

  you so much for listening let us know if you want us to talk about anything at closetcabana south underscore lines on instagram review rate subscribe have a lovely week stay warm And until next time, goodbye.

• Speaker #0

  Goodbye.