Wicked: For Good Review, Katy Perry, Timothée Chalamet, Meghan Trainor PLUS Dating Digital Detoxes I House of Gossip | House of Gossip

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This week Sophie's unresearched review of Wicked: For Good, plus a supposed update on Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande's relationship. Clara's tin foil hat is ever expanding by the day but her legal hat is on this week with Katy Perry at the centre point. Plus Timothée Chalamet is doing some of his own marketing work for his movie release, and Clara strikes again doing a comparative study on where Meghan Trainor's career path has gone... and who she is very similar to... it rhymes with Honor Naynard.

Plus the cleansing benefits of a dating digital detox.

Timothée's Movie Promo Zoom Call

Recco of the week: A Man on the Inside

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Speaker #0
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. I am Sophie Lyons here with Clara Kavner and we're coming to you from House of Gossip, our weekly dose of pop culture nourishment. We hope you're having a nice week so far. Hope you're getting into fun, festive, fantastical. How are you, Clara?
Speaker #1
I'm very well. Can't believe it. What's the 2nd of December when this episode comes out? Crazy!
Speaker #0
Are you going to do a treat?
Speaker #1
Not in the apartment. I go back to 13.
Speaker #0
Oh, my God.
Speaker #1
Once Thanksgiving is out of the way, then I can really focus on Christmas.
Speaker #0
Once the turkey day is out of the way. Yeah. Sorry, I saw Demi Lovato got in awful trouble because she did some turkey sanctuary, like PR visit a few years ago. I was like, oh, my God, these turkeys, you know, they were saved from whatever. These turkeys are so precious, like so glad I visited. And then I think within the same, was it the same year she put up her. cooked turkey and was like, thanks. Feeling grateful for you guys. She really puts her foot in it a lot.
Speaker #1
She does. What's your favorite dish? I like a mug. Sits in your hand so nicely.
Speaker #0
Yeah, she really is always putting her foot in it. We have a mishmash of gossip today. There's no like explosive headlines. So I think we have some nice variables. Should you just be joining us for the first time, you'll get a nice taster of everything but first of all Clara, let's kick it off with J'Jure and our J'Test. What are you loving or hating this week?
Speaker #1
Oh my God, I'm big J'Jure. I'm in a book club and we are doing a new book and it is called No One Saw a Thing by Andrea Mara, who's an Irish writer. You might know her if you've watched All Her Fault on Sky or Now TV, which is actually a somewhat similar story. No One Saw a Thing is a and about an Irish family going over to London for a reunion. This happens in the first page of the book, so don't worry. Mum's on her own, commuter time, Bond Street Station, Monday morning. The two little girls are skipping ahead. She gets a text message, looks down, the tube doors close, girl's on the train, she's there with the buggy.
Speaker #0
Oh, I have to read that.
Speaker #1
Maybe some listeners will remember, I'm a real clunky, slow, trodder of a reader.
Speaker #0
Me too.
Speaker #1
You know, one page a night kind of vibe. Nicole in our book club, thank you, Nicole, gave us this record and it was her suggestion. I've read like 200 pages in a week and I just I feel like I'm Usain Bolt at reading at this point.
Speaker #0
Have you finished it? No,
Speaker #1
I've got 100 pages to go.
Speaker #0
I'm sorry, what series is it similar to?
Speaker #1
The author has also written All Her Fault, which was a book that is now a TV show with Dakota Fanning and Sarah Snook from Succession in it. And it's also about a missing child.
Speaker #0
Should I watch that?
Speaker #1
Yeah, it's really good. But I'm also watching that and reading now and so I think, so I'm getting very confused with the storylines, which I like smugly love saying. I'm like, sorry, Mick, I can't remember. Is this in my book or in the show?
Speaker #0
Is this in my literature? Yeah.
Speaker #1
But it's amazing. And she paces the thriller kind of well because it flashes back to like the day they arrived in London. It has moments of the day, but then it flashes back to the weekend that they've had in London. So... the past is catching up with the present. So the two storylines are kind of going to meet by the end, I assume.
Speaker #0
Oh my God, that sounds really good.
Speaker #1
They did that in Where the Crawdad Sings because then you get way more context as to why this has happened and who could be behind it. It's brilliant. Je d'ore. November is Novembering and I've had a few boring weekends, but this book has really shushed up my life a little bit.
Speaker #0
I want to read that and I find fiction hard to read.
Speaker #1
Oh, I'll give you this. Your sister just bought it as well. So we'll all be talking about it.
Speaker #0
Oh, great. Okay.
Speaker #1
Anyway, sorry. Monologue of love over. What are you enjoying or testing?
Speaker #0
I got a lymphatic massage last weekend.
Speaker #1
They're the best.
Speaker #0
Because I too was having a boring, sober weekend. Now, I've heard mixed things about the pressure. What kind of pressure did you have?
Speaker #1
It was really light and I kind of wanted more.
Speaker #0
Okay, so did I. But apparently that's what they should be. yeah she was doing that and then she was telling me all about like different nerves and all this different stuff and then she was telling me about dry brushing so I started doing a bit of dry brushing oh my god yeah have you done dry brushing I do actually do wet brushing but yes anyway so she's telling me about dry brushing so I started like slapping myself before I have a shower which is kind of what it is Cleopatra did it why can't we yeah I've started doing it I've like started slapping my armpits and then you're like Like brushing up in threes and stuff?
Speaker #1
I got it done before the wedding. And it's just a great like de-bloater. Because like you can have so much water retention.
Speaker #0
Is that not the real tough one? That's like sculpting almost.
Speaker #1
I just got a run-of-the-mill one. But I know you can get more. But like if I've heard a good few people, like famous people on podcasts talking about getting it done. And I think people, it's way more popular amongst the Hollywood elite than we actually think.
Speaker #0
Oh, they're all getting the sculpting done, 100%.
Speaker #1
Because they say like your lymphatic system is like a plumbing system with no pump. So you have to help it.
Speaker #0
I want to get the tough one done though.
Speaker #1
it's not a massage that you'd be like a deep tish where you'd be like oh yeah it's actually kind of boring I'm like I wish I could like listen to music or a podcast you're also a bit like could you go a bit harder yeah and they really do like every area it's very but
Speaker #0
it's amazing it actually does it really does work and it's it's not even you notice it after it's like maybe the week after if anyone knows anything about the rough ones against the soft ones please tell us because I'm dying to know Like, is it frowned upon when they're rough?
Speaker #1
Yeah. Also, Gazza, from last week, we had Roisin write in. Oh, do I know this Roisin? Hang on.
Speaker #0
A matchmaker. She previously gave us some dating advice way back when. Like, she's in the matchmaking industry,
Speaker #1
I believe. Matchmaker extraordinaire. So she helped us out with a dating episode we did as 30, 30 and Pershing.
Speaker #0
So she wrote in about the non-askers. she said some of the accused would be the usual unaware remit but some others were people who were just quite lonely it seemed and maybe just exploded when they finally got a date oh sorry Roshi no no it could be true though no no it definitely is you know when you're when you meet up with someone who might live alone and they mightn't have talked to someone and you just notice.
Speaker #1
Yeah.
Speaker #0
They're kind of like that. Yeah, but then the initial gets out and then like ask one question.
Speaker #1
Regardless of the meeting up with friends. But unfortunately, then it happens on dates.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
It's still like look in the mirror.
Speaker #0
Yeah, still.
Speaker #1
You know, the Aisling from Big Brother. Know yourself. Know yourself when you speak to me.
Speaker #0
Still non-excuse.
Speaker #1
Good for context.
Speaker #0
Thank you, Roisin, but still.
Speaker #1
It's still unacceptable.
Speaker #0
They're narcissists. Now, I saw Wicked for Good, part two at the weekend.
Speaker #1
Oh, you did?
Speaker #0
As per, I didn't read any reviews because I don't like tainting my vision.
Speaker #1
Yes. Now,
Speaker #0
from what I understand, it's gotten some not good reviews. The Independent says there's no magic in the aimless slog of Wicked for Good. The New Yorker said Wicked for Good is very, very bad.
Speaker #1
Oh.
Speaker #0
Yeah, it didn't get a good vibe. I thought it was brilliant.
Speaker #1
It still broke all the records. It beat Wicked One in the box office. I think it's made like over $200 million in its opening week.
Speaker #0
That was a very good start.
Speaker #1
Thank you.
Speaker #0
I thought it was really good. I thought it was a perfect part two. I did think it could be a bit shorter, but it was very heartfelt. It was a lot about friendship. I feel like it kind of mirrors them as friends.
Speaker #1
Yes.
Speaker #0
And we can go into that in a second. And then if you don't know the story, it's kind of how the Tin Man, the Scarecrow and the Lion come about in Wizard of Oz.
Speaker #1
I've totally forgotten this storyline.
Speaker #0
Yeah. So all throughout, I'd kind of forgotten the storyline. And then I was like, is he going to be a Tin Man? And may I say the visual effects for the Tin Man are excellent.
Speaker #1
Great.
Speaker #0
Yeah, really good. Now, Jonathan Bailey and Cynthia Erivo have a bit of like. he actually likes her in the end and not Glinda and they get together and they have kind of like a little raunchy scene when I say raunchy it's not that raunchy it's on the lips she's still wearing like a heavily coated huge knitted gray coat in it he's sexing it up yeah and I saw someone say they don't have like that much chemistry or anything like that but um I thought it was brilliant. I also thought it really spoke to kind of stuff that's going on today because it's all about getting rid of munchkins and the munchkins can't travel or move across the borders and stuff. Yeah, sort of the world we're living in, if we're going to get deep.
Speaker #1
Reflective.
Speaker #0
Yeah, Ariana Grande is brilliant in it. Obviously Cynthia Erivo is, but like Ariana Grande, because her character in the first one I think is quite comical. You see her a bit more emotional in this. And it's a really lovely part two all about friendship. Yeah, I thought it was really, really good. Reviews weren't great. I thought it was excellent. Apparently, also, I didn't know they had two original songs in it.
Speaker #1
They did. I heard that. I think, though, even of the stage show of Wicked, the second half just isn't as good as the first. I did hear some people say that, like, well, they wanted to give, they wanted to hold space for, like, the whole story and do it in two parts. what would have been a bigger bang is if they just put it in one. It didn't need to be the two parts. And has the second part kind of diluted the first, which I thought was interesting. But like, I loved the first one, don't get me wrong, but I'm now like wicked sad. So that's just what I've been hearing.
Speaker #0
It would have been a lot to fit into one movie though.
Speaker #1
But I think like it's five hours.
Speaker #0
Or maybe they cut it a teeny bit before.
Speaker #1
Yeah.
Speaker #0
But everyone says that about the stage show, yeah. that the second part is a bit darker. It's also really fun because they kind of bring in then the Wizard of Oz stuff. So like you see Dorothy B. Dunstier face. You see like her feet and her dress and you see like the Alec McRose. So they're kind of all setting that up. Also, what came up this week was, I saw it last night on Instagram and then I was kind of Googling it, but I don't know what the source is. And they've defined their relationship finally.
Speaker #1
It's quite a long title.
Speaker #0
Also very confusing. Non-demi-curious semi-binary relationship.
Speaker #1
And that means...
Speaker #0
And then this article goes, and that means we're not actually a couple, but we are curious about what that could mean and everything.
Speaker #1
I just think you've gotten to the end of the press store. Just, you know... I mean,
Speaker #0
we're not actually a couple, but we are curious about what that would mean and everything. So is that like kind of when you're seeing someone, but you both know it's not going anywhere?
Speaker #1
Is it? Yeah. Like, what is that?
Speaker #0
Is it?
Speaker #1
It must be that. So obviously there's been some amazing memes about their friendship online. And like some theories are saying like for fear of it looking like pitting two women against each other, they have to go to the whole total extreme of like we would die without each other kind of love in. That kind of answer feels... Look, speak your truth, queens, but... They're open to exploring. It's just a lot to digest.
Speaker #0
I just think in the world where there's so many terms these days. Is Cynthia Erivo straight?
Speaker #1
No. Cynthia Erivo goes out with Lena Waithe, who is... She is a huge, big producer now, but she was in, if you ever saw Master of None.
Speaker #0
No, is that with Aziz Ansari?
Speaker #1
And so they met, yeah, they met in 2018 at the Met Gala. That is just such a good meet cute for these type of people.
Speaker #0
Imagine meeting at the Met Gala.
Speaker #1
I know. And they've been in a public relationship since 2022.
Speaker #0
So they're basically just saying they're kind of besties.
Speaker #1
I think that's kind of like if somebody asked you, say you had like a close male friend and someone goes, would you ever like consider, like why aren't you guys together? You get on so well. Then you would give this response. we're in a non-demi-curious semi-binary relationship.
Speaker #0
Yeah, they're kind of pulling our leg.
Speaker #1
Which basically means, you know, we might have a pact that if we're both single by the time we're 50, we'll get married. I think that's maybe the Gen Z version of what they just said.
Speaker #0
I watched that school where she goes back to her school. By the way, it's amazing.
Speaker #1
Isn't it?
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
God. And then there was also a meme I put up during the week. It was a combination of all the Wicked for Good press tour. and the caption of it was like it's like Cynthia Erivo is the only person on earth who knows that Ariana is dying and then it's like that's why she's being so protective of her and then when you watch the clips with that like lens you're like oh my god she's actually protecting her life yeah and I just don't blame them for being a bit delulue at the end sorry obviously if this is you putting an identity on your relationship that's amazing But I also don't blame them if they're extremely delirious after a two year press tour. And as we were saying last week, like there's such theatre people.
Speaker #0
Theatre folk, yeah.
Speaker #1
Such theatre folk. But I think that they're like really in their moment.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
So it's kind of to the average Joe, their whole like love in seems a bit intoxicating and seems a bit over the top. But that's just where they wear their feelings, like on their sleeve, heart on sleeve is just how they kind of roll.
Speaker #0
You know when they're going to all those premieres and there's so many it must be like but their outfits are so elaborate it must be so like oh I didn't really get to do much in that outfit.
Speaker #1
No just pose for photos.
Speaker #0
You know because it's really just a press picture.
Speaker #1
Yeah and I'd say there but I'd say Cynthia's like I can never wear green again.
Speaker #0
No.
Speaker #1
I like their love in I must say I don't I don't I can see why people find it annoying.
Speaker #0
I look them on screen they have like a bit of a fight in the second one and it's quite funny yeah I think they have really good chemistry because Ariana was on
Speaker #1
Good Hang with Amy Poehler that podcast yeah I saw a few clips I listened to it and she was saying that she's like I'm going to do one more small tour and then that's it and then people were going nuts being like oh my god she's not a singer anymore but like lest we forget she started as an actor so of course she's going to go back to acting so but especially after this new transatlantic accent she has she's clearly gone to some kind of dialect coach and her voice has totally changed So she definitely wants, she's doing Meet the Fockers. There's a fifth sequel or something.
Speaker #0
Sorry, I heard about this.
Speaker #1
But you'd love her to go into something, because she's done Galinda, and now she's doing Meet the Fockers. Like, that just seems like it's going to be a stupid comedy, American comedy. Like, you'd love to see her doing something a bit gritty. Like, you know, she's really serious about this being an actor.
Speaker #0
Oh, I like her as a funny person.
Speaker #1
I know, but give us a bit of range. You've done the funny.
Speaker #0
But that's like her first movie. But if you look back at her, like, my lips. I get it. Yeah. It's a battle. That with her now is two very different people.
Speaker #1
Two very different races.
Speaker #0
And she said her voice changed loads. because of the singing, your register and stuff changes. I think she said it in that interview.
Speaker #1
Yes. But we all saw that video in Wicked Press Store around one, when she was on with Penn Badgley and she was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that song. But yeah, I'd love to just like get into a bit more singing and stuff. Like when she changes her tone, it's like, excuse me.
Speaker #0
It's kind of like Paris Hilton.
Speaker #1
It's exactly that.
Speaker #0
She has a baby voice, yeah.
Speaker #1
She's appropriated maybe.
Speaker #0
She did get accused of blackfishing.
Speaker #1
Yeah.
Speaker #0
Now, Gazza, moving on from Wicked, you've something about Katy Perry.
Speaker #1
Ugh. A while ago, we spoke about in the pod, Katy Perry suing a veteran over the sale of a home. Yes. She was suing 85-year-old Carl Westcott, the veteran, over the multi-million dollar mansion battle. So basically, at the time, Orlando and Katy Perry bought the house. So the house is in Montecito. Her neighbours would be Oprah, Harry and Meghan.
Speaker #0
Meghan, yeah.
Speaker #1
And she bought the house for $15 million. And days after the contract was signed, Carl Westcott, the veteran, attempted to backtrack on the deal, claiming that he was incapacitated when he was signing the paperwork due to all the painkillers he was on after a major surgery. Okay. He has Huntington's disease, which is like a condition that affects your thinking and movement and mood. And yeah, Katy Perry continued the legal pursuit, saying that he had to sign over the house and they've just been in this legal battle. And he signed the contract four days after he had undergone a six hour back surgery. So he's on a cocktail of opioids and painkillers.
Speaker #0
Isn't that void if you sign a contract when you're...
Speaker #1
100%. But it's come out now that a judge has sided with Perry in the dispute, saying that in fact he was of sound mind when the sale went through. And he presented no persuasive evidence that he lacked the capacity to enter into a real estate contract and that that contract should be respected. So now he owes Katy Perry $1.8 million in legal fees and damages.
Speaker #0
In legal fees?
Speaker #1
Uh-huh. And Perry's basically suing him for the accountable money she lost in rentals and repairs. And Perry herself testified via video call during the court case this week and said that she stands to lose money if this doesn't work in her favour.
Speaker #0
I mean, court is just so expensive.
Speaker #1
And as we also spoke about in the podcast before, like she also bought a house off a load of nuns. And one of the nuns who was trying to keep the house died in court when this was going on. So. Basically, Katy Perry continues to sue old people and is now like winning. And she's won this case and this poor family now are without their family home. And your man is 85 and she's causing all this stress. I just think that is such a sign of the type of person that she is.
Speaker #0
I can't figure her out.
Speaker #1
I think if you want to know something about somebody, look at their actions. And I think suing, OK, fool me once by suing an old person. You're not going to fool me twice by constantly suing old people. Like, I think just walk away. How important is this house? It's not even your home. You didn't even want to live in it. You wanted to rent it out.
Speaker #0
She was buying it to rent.
Speaker #1
It was a buy to let.
Speaker #0
Was it like a tax thing?
Speaker #1
I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Because after the sale went through, Orlando Bloom wrote a note to Westcott thanking him for selling him the house. So it seemed to be on, like, good terms. And they were going to live in it with their daughter, Daisy Dove. But obviously they want to rent it now. But like, why would you want to keep a house that you bought with your ex-husband? Like, just get rid of it? Like, surely from like a money point of view, they'd want to split the cash.
Speaker #0
I can't figure her out.
Speaker #1
I think we can. Easy. She is not a nice person.
Speaker #0
Can we? Like, she comes across as...
Speaker #1
But that's the thing. That's the facade. That's the Kitty Perry. Oh, I'm just an astronaut with like a sexy alien concert tour. But no.
Speaker #0
You know, she did like her kind of comeback thing. and then her auntie Bloom came out and like... they then filed for divorce very soon after.
Speaker #1
They're the facts we need to be listening to.
Speaker #0
And then she's going out with your man now. Justin Trudeau.
Speaker #1
That is the biggest romance I've ever seen in my entire life.
Speaker #0
Oh, tinfoil hot Tony.
Speaker #1
That's a good name. Fair play. But one thing we know for sure is she likes men with tousled brown hair.
Speaker #0
Don't we all?
Speaker #1
Because he looks... And then the Justin Trudeau, I just, I don't buy that for a fucking second. That is her trying to change that narrative. This is why showmances exist. She's putting out these other little press stories. So nobody is talking about the fact that she's just gotten nearly $2 million off an old dying veteran. You need to, you know,
Speaker #0
those people, the royal, the royal experts that they have on. You need to be a conspiracy theorist, like tinfoil expert.
Speaker #1
Yeah. I'd only get to go on like Piers Morgan or something. But yeah, fine.
Speaker #0
You'd be so good at it.
Speaker #1
One of those talking heads getting into arguments.
Speaker #0
Yeah. And they'd be like, tinfoil hat entrepreneur.
Speaker #1
It's such a low blow though. Like who in her team? Like she keeps getting backlash about this story, but she clearly cares more about the money and getting that house back.
Speaker #0
I don't know. Like I obviously feel sorry for the other party, but. We don't know the full story.
Speaker #1
Just from the PR alone, walk away.
Speaker #0
With what? 1.5 million less.
Speaker #1
It's an old dying man. Leave him alone. Stop suing him. Let him have the house. Just what you could have just had was like, fine, I'll walk away from the deal. Everybody just gets their money back and I don't get the house. That's what they should have done. The fact that it even went to court.
Speaker #0
I just think there might be more to the story. I don't know.
Speaker #1
Who's the tip for that now? always you no no i don't know i just think people's actions speak louder and she can't stop suing old people people actions do speak louder that's very good that's all i have to say about that i have another curiosity just a light curiosity does anyone know what megan trainer's boss is i saw her at chris jenner's party and i had no idea who it was
Speaker #0
I don't understand. Like, she's always on the Daily Mail. I saw this article this morning and it sparked my questioning of like, how is she making any money? She does like Instagram songs. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's quite like kitschy.
Speaker #1
Conor Maynard.
Speaker #0
She is the female Conor Maynard.
Speaker #1
Just an American Conor Maynard. Huge on TikTok, but not a song to thread together.
Speaker #0
That is probably the most clever thing you've ever said. How did I not connect the dots? I was like, she's kind of, she, well, yeah. She was on the Daily Mail this morning and says, Meghan Trainor shows off new boob job on red carpet after weight loss drug admission. And she's kind of always, always talking about her new teeth, her new boobs, her new body. All her music is like, It's very TikTok-y. She's also going out with your man from Spy Kids, the little fella.
Speaker #1
Sorry,
Speaker #0
they're married. Yeah, I don't know whoever does her PR. I'm confused. She is the female Conor Maynard.
Speaker #1
She's at everything. Like, she's in all the right circles.
Speaker #0
She's everywhere but she's not doing anything. And I think she's southern. Sorry, that doesn't have anything to do with anything.
Speaker #1
The connections she has are crazy. Like... Because she seemed to me like just a bit of a one hit wonder from like the 2015, like by 10 years ago.
Speaker #0
She is.
Speaker #1
But she now seems to be like more relevant than ever. But I don't know why.
Speaker #0
And she's telling everybody everything. She told someone that her and her husband, the little fella, both took a weight loss drug. She's talking about her boob job.
Speaker #1
She did SponCon, I think, for the boob job. She's done a lot of work. A lot of work.
Speaker #0
Yeah. New teeth. She is Conor Maynard. Well done. as her. I don't have anything else to say besides I don't know where she's coming from, who's giving her a push. I don't know what it is.
Speaker #1
The mystery of Meghan Trainor. It's weird how some people just hang around and be relevant and then.
Speaker #0
But she's not relevant. She's very outspoken. Maybe does she have a podcast? Maybe that's it. But like Kris Jenner in your music video.
Speaker #1
I know, yeah.
Speaker #0
Anyway, I have nothing else to back up that conversation. I just really wanted to know and you've defined it. She's Conor Maynard. That is so true. Wather. Gazzer. Not Gather. Gather. You have something on Timothée
Speaker #1
Chalamet. Just a small light musing on Timothée Chalamet and his recent press tour for Mardi Supreme. So we all know Timothée. is it Timothy or Timothy? I like Timothy.
Speaker #0
It's Timahay.
Speaker #1
Timahay. So he loves a little PR stunt, like arriving to the Bob Dylan movie on a line bike. He attended his own lookalike competition in New York.
Speaker #0
That's quite funny, to be fair.
Speaker #1
You know, he loves a little, yeah, rogue moment to show up. But now in the recent press tour for his new movie, Marty Supreme, he's got a few tricks up his sleeve. There's wild rumors that he is cosplaying or pretending to be this Scouser rapper called SD Kid, which they do look very alike in the eyes. But he definitely knows how to get the people talking. Like he does do random stuff. He showed up to the premiere in New York with kind of like a load of men around him all dressed in black with these big, what Dave Ill called it, bulbous orange masks to resemble ping pong balls because the movie's all about a ping pong. ping pong champ and he is loving the color orange he's kind of he's making jokes about trying to make like the barbie pink we're gonna do marty spream orange okay i'm wearing marty spream orange am i yeah he even got like a big orange blimp to fly over hollywood he's working with this movie director who's also doing the new charlie xex mockumentary to make all this content he also did this really funny it's like this 18 minute video where he's talking to his press team and at the beginning you think that it's serious but then it gets to be like more and more ridiculous and you realize it's just him kind of pretending to be this cult leader of his own press machine. Actually let's just put in a clip because it's actually quite funny.
Speaker #2
Orange blimp, Marty supreme right? Marty everywhere you go. marty supreme blimp like even tyler is headlining flogna we should have the blimp go above flogna and rain ping pong balls marty supreme branded rain ping pong balls on everyone i love this video yeah i do too i think
Speaker #3
one thing we'll have to kind of take into consideration is just the safety hazard yeah exactly something we'll we'll think about
Speaker #2
Yeah, and I don't want to put anybody in an unsafe condition too, but I also don't want to be too safe about putting out this movie. You know what I mean? If it's a difference between, you know what I mean, someone losing an arm putting out the movie but someone gaining an arm intellectually when they see it.
Speaker #0
I'm a fan of the latter.
Speaker #1
Look, as we've seen and spoken about, like the Wicked press tour, the Don't Worry Darling press tour, the It Ends With Us, you know, to get people talking about your movies, you do have to get, people are getting very either like stunt dressing like Barbie or stunt dressing like Wicked. You know, there's lots of now new ways that people are coming up with creating a conversation, getting people talking and promoing a film. And Timothy is... Going about it in quite a unique and quite funny way.
Speaker #0
He's had a real attitude change, hasn't he?
Speaker #1
Do you think it's the Kylie effect?
Speaker #0
When he did something like Little Women, he was like, really like, and kind of like bashful and like, eee, like when he was getting in. So now he's really like, I don't know what the effect is, but he's had a real change in his tune.
Speaker #1
The nonchalance of Kylie.
Speaker #0
Pretty like, cool. Well, apparently they're broken up.
Speaker #1
I know. Sorry, I actually don't. But... but they were together for a while so I'm sure she had an effect on it whether they're together or not yeah she's putting up a lot of sultry pics which if he did break up with her is a great way to get back at him what are your stances are if you break up with someone and then like you still have them on Instagram as just as a normal human you need to hide them though hide them from seeing your stuff or hide them from you seeing them from you seeing them because I think you get caught in a loop you can't forget them if you're seeing their stories and stuff and it's hard
Speaker #0
But do you want them to see your stories?
Speaker #1
Yes, but I know it's wrong.
Speaker #0
Yeah, like as in a therapist would say no.
Speaker #1
Yeah, yeah, yeah. As much as you shouldn't see their stuff, they shouldn't be seeing your stuff.
Speaker #0
But there's nothing better than when you put up a really fire pick and then you see they've seen it also really early on.
Speaker #1
Yes, because then you know that you're in their algorithm real high.
Speaker #0
That's like that drop of dopamine. Yes. I recently just deleted someone on Instagram. I should have done it like over a year ago, but I got the nice feeling.
Speaker #1
Yeah. And it feels a bit final.
Speaker #0
Sorry, I had hidden him, but he can still see my stuff. But I removed him.
Speaker #1
It does feel cleaner. It feels like it's like modern day closure, I guess.
Speaker #0
Totally like deleting the WhatsApp conversation.
Speaker #1
Yeah. Do you know what? Somebody only told me to do that after like way too long after the breakup. I was like, duh, why would I have this toxicity in my smartphone?
Speaker #0
I don't know. And I put it in my archives and then I saw it and I was like, why? And this is like over a year later. I was like, I'll delete that. Like, why was it there?
Speaker #1
Like it's the digital reminders that then take you back.
Speaker #0
But then you're like, do you want the receipts? And you're like, no, why would you want the receipts?
Speaker #1
Exactly.
Speaker #0
I deleted that.
Speaker #1
And it does feel like very cleansing. It's like.
Speaker #0
does this spark joy no it doesn't yeah you're so right though you know and it takes you back to that and you're like oh that was awful I know and you know you look at the messages and you're like did I write that who was that like that version of me and that version of them yeah
Speaker #1
and it because like even if I look over like old emails to friends I'm like I don't remember writing that at all oh the way you talk yeah the way you talk and then I have okay so everything's gone off like texts and whatsapps and instagrams it's all like blocked and very clean breaky but I do have emails and sometimes I read it this was like our final email and sometimes I read it or like think of it and I go and I look at it and it was me just giving it like receipt after receipt I was like don't you dare one of your quotes like don't you dare talk to me like that and like a real just final mentee I look at it and I won't delete that one because I'm like, I'm so glad I spoke up for myself. And that was it then. And I was just like, fuck you. Goodbye. And it was great.
Speaker #0
Oh, yeah. Do you remember the screenshots I showed you of the ones I sent the one I was talking about there who I deleted? Oh,
Speaker #1
yes. Yes.
Speaker #0
It was like four months later or something. And I got some messages and I was so delighted with how I replied. And I think that's why I kept the messages there for a while.
Speaker #1
But you need them as a reminder. It's not really about the person, but it's like, here's proof of me standing up for myself.
Speaker #0
Or that it was awful. Why are you thinking like it was a teeny bit nice? Because it wasn't.
Speaker #1
Exactly. And it's proof to yourself and you showing the universe that you're like, I do not put up with this shit anymore. No siree, Bob.
Speaker #0
No.
Speaker #1
Not today.
Speaker #0
And then deleting it was kind of like, I've gotten over that whole thing anyway. Like, I know I did it, so I deleted it. Anyway, I would recommend, ladies.
Speaker #1
Good digital clear-outs. They're good. They're good for the soul. They're hard, but you feel so much lighter.
Speaker #0
Yeah, I was doing another one and I was like, oh, do I want to delete it? Because I look at that one a bit more fondly and then I'm like, no, I should. Sorry to delete it.
Speaker #1
And another thing you can do if you've got an iPhone, ladies and gentlemen, like, you know, the way like memories and stuff pop up.
Speaker #0
Oh, yeah.
Speaker #1
The way they recognize people. You can then say, hide this person from me.
Speaker #0
I don't like him.
Speaker #1
Best top tip. because then when you get a flash on your phone, you're like, I didn't look for this. So I've had that hidden. Even their dog is hidden.
Speaker #0
I didn't have a lot of photos of the one I can't stand. So thank God.
Speaker #1
Oh,
Speaker #0
that's really good. He comes up.
Speaker #1
Look at this. I had to block the dog's Instagram because the dog's Instagram was fucking sniffing around me. And I said, I can't believe I'm having to block a dog here. And I had to say that. You're forcing me to block a dog's Instagram because you can't start getting in touch with me drunkenly. Piss off.
Speaker #0
Oh, was it drunkenly?
Speaker #1
Yes. And you know, you kind of like, when I have fights with anyone, particularly someone in a relationship, even with Mick now, I like my trauma, not, okay, trauma response is like a bit of a dramatic way to say it.
Speaker #0
Fight or flight.
Speaker #1
But with fights. I just don't remember them. I don't remember what they were about. Even like the next day. You blocked them out. I literally, that's how I deal with them because of this one relationship that the fights were that bad that I just was like.
Speaker #0
You had to block them out.
Speaker #1
It's honestly the closest thing I could call to a trauma response. Because now I just can't remember. Even like having fights with Mick now, I'm like, I can't remember what they were about, even though it could have been about like.
Speaker #0
I'm mad at you, but I can't remember why.
Speaker #1
Yeah, it's like just something stupid and trivial.
Speaker #0
So is your underpants.
Speaker #1
Iron your underpants immediately. But I still, it's actually a hangover from that.
Speaker #0
Memory blocks are a trauma response.
Speaker #1
Which I definitely get. And then I'm like, I can't remember what that was about. And it was like,
Speaker #0
it was yesterday.
Speaker #1
It was great for me. Yeah, yeah. He's like, boop, boop, boop, boop.
Speaker #0
Very funny. That got a bit more personal and that was really nice. Ladies, we will end it on another personal note. A recommendation from the tinfoil hat connoisseur herself. Gazza, what are you recommending?
Speaker #1
Oh. I have a lovely, gentle show on Netflix. I recommended season one. Season two is Back Baby. It's Ted Danson from Cheers fame. He's 76. In his show, A Man on the Inside. Season one was set in a nursing home. You might remember I spoke about it. And he basically gets a job as a private investigator trying to solve a case in a nursing home. Season two has moved on a year later. And he's in a college university.
Speaker #0
That I can do. I couldn't do the nursing home.
Speaker #1
Oh, it was so sweet. A bit teary. This season is definitely more fun.
Speaker #0
I really like him though.
Speaker #1
Yeah. Oh my God. Every episode he's in a suit and tie. It's so cute. But it's so funny. It is just a lovely half an hour. If you need like just a nice little gentle show to shield yourself from all the shit that's going on in the world. It's made by Michael Schur. who did Parks and Rec, The Office, A Good Place. He's just one of the really big producers in Hollywood, I guess. And he's very funny. And there's loads of like in-jokes from it now. It just really celebrates people of all ages. And it's just a lovely, like heartwarming, funny show. And season two is just as funny as season one was. Maybe even more. I laughed so much at it. It's just like a lovely little... show and he's the best and his real life wife is in it who's his real life wife she is a woman she plays the mum in stepbrothers she's in book club with diane keaton oh my god you know what's her name mary steenbergen i didn't know they were married i love that she's in loads of american like comedies she's cheekbones for days she is great and they've been married for 30 years
Speaker #0
That's what we need.
Speaker #1
But also Schmitty from New Girl is in it and he's basically playing Schmidt. It's amazing. He's kind of evil.
Speaker #0
So this one I actually could watch.
Speaker #1
So yeah, totally recommend Netflix. Man on the Inside season two. It's just a delight.
Speaker #0
I love that, Casa. Thank you so much. I will be watching it because it's not set in a nursing home and that would hurt my spirit a bit much. Thank you all so much for listening. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram at Soph underscore Lions at Classic Cabana at House of Gossip. pod and we'll talk to you later happy festive week

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Speaker #0
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. I am Sophie Lyons here with Clara Kavner and we're coming to you from House of Gossip, our weekly dose of pop culture nourishment. We hope you're having a nice week so far. Hope you're getting into fun, festive, fantastical. How are you, Clara?
Speaker #1
I'm very well. Can't believe it. What's the 2nd of December when this episode comes out? Crazy!
Speaker #0
Are you going to do a treat?
Speaker #1
Not in the apartment. I go back to 13.
Speaker #0
Oh, my God.
Speaker #1
Once Thanksgiving is out of the way, then I can really focus on Christmas.
Speaker #0
Once the turkey day is out of the way. Yeah. Sorry, I saw Demi Lovato got in awful trouble because she did some turkey sanctuary, like PR visit a few years ago. I was like, oh, my God, these turkeys, you know, they were saved from whatever. These turkeys are so precious, like so glad I visited. And then I think within the same, was it the same year she put up her. cooked turkey and was like, thanks. Feeling grateful for you guys. She really puts her foot in it a lot.
Speaker #1
She does. What's your favorite dish? I like a mug. Sits in your hand so nicely.
Speaker #0
Yeah, she really is always putting her foot in it. We have a mishmash of gossip today. There's no like explosive headlines. So I think we have some nice variables. Should you just be joining us for the first time, you'll get a nice taster of everything but first of all Clara, let's kick it off with J'Jure and our J'Test. What are you loving or hating this week?
Speaker #1
Oh my God, I'm big J'Jure. I'm in a book club and we are doing a new book and it is called No One Saw a Thing by Andrea Mara, who's an Irish writer. You might know her if you've watched All Her Fault on Sky or Now TV, which is actually a somewhat similar story. No One Saw a Thing is a and about an Irish family going over to London for a reunion. This happens in the first page of the book, so don't worry. Mum's on her own, commuter time, Bond Street Station, Monday morning. The two little girls are skipping ahead. She gets a text message, looks down, the tube doors close, girl's on the train, she's there with the buggy.
Speaker #0
Oh, I have to read that.
Speaker #1
Maybe some listeners will remember, I'm a real clunky, slow, trodder of a reader.
Speaker #0
Me too.
Speaker #1
You know, one page a night kind of vibe. Nicole in our book club, thank you, Nicole, gave us this record and it was her suggestion. I've read like 200 pages in a week and I just I feel like I'm Usain Bolt at reading at this point.
Speaker #0
Have you finished it? No,
Speaker #1
I've got 100 pages to go.
Speaker #0
I'm sorry, what series is it similar to?
Speaker #1
The author has also written All Her Fault, which was a book that is now a TV show with Dakota Fanning and Sarah Snook from Succession in it. And it's also about a missing child.
Speaker #0
Should I watch that?
Speaker #1
Yeah, it's really good. But I'm also watching that and reading now and so I think, so I'm getting very confused with the storylines, which I like smugly love saying. I'm like, sorry, Mick, I can't remember. Is this in my book or in the show?
Speaker #0
Is this in my literature? Yeah.
Speaker #1
But it's amazing. And she paces the thriller kind of well because it flashes back to like the day they arrived in London. It has moments of the day, but then it flashes back to the weekend that they've had in London. So... the past is catching up with the present. So the two storylines are kind of going to meet by the end, I assume.
Speaker #0
Oh my God, that sounds really good.
Speaker #1
They did that in Where the Crawdad Sings because then you get way more context as to why this has happened and who could be behind it. It's brilliant. Je d'ore. November is Novembering and I've had a few boring weekends, but this book has really shushed up my life a little bit.
Speaker #0
I want to read that and I find fiction hard to read.
Speaker #1
Oh, I'll give you this. Your sister just bought it as well. So we'll all be talking about it.
Speaker #0
Oh, great. Okay.
Speaker #1
Anyway, sorry. Monologue of love over. What are you enjoying or testing?
Speaker #0
I got a lymphatic massage last weekend.
Speaker #1
They're the best.
Speaker #0
Because I too was having a boring, sober weekend. Now, I've heard mixed things about the pressure. What kind of pressure did you have?
Speaker #1
It was really light and I kind of wanted more.
Speaker #0
Okay, so did I. But apparently that's what they should be. yeah she was doing that and then she was telling me all about like different nerves and all this different stuff and then she was telling me about dry brushing so I started doing a bit of dry brushing oh my god yeah have you done dry brushing I do actually do wet brushing but yes anyway so she's telling me about dry brushing so I started like slapping myself before I have a shower which is kind of what it is Cleopatra did it why can't we yeah I've started doing it I've like started slapping my armpits and then you're like Like brushing up in threes and stuff?
Speaker #1
I got it done before the wedding. And it's just a great like de-bloater. Because like you can have so much water retention.
Speaker #0
Is that not the real tough one? That's like sculpting almost.
Speaker #1
I just got a run-of-the-mill one. But I know you can get more. But like if I've heard a good few people, like famous people on podcasts talking about getting it done. And I think people, it's way more popular amongst the Hollywood elite than we actually think.
Speaker #0
Oh, they're all getting the sculpting done, 100%.
Speaker #1
Because they say like your lymphatic system is like a plumbing system with no pump. So you have to help it.
Speaker #0
I want to get the tough one done though.
Speaker #1
it's not a massage that you'd be like a deep tish where you'd be like oh yeah it's actually kind of boring I'm like I wish I could like listen to music or a podcast you're also a bit like could you go a bit harder yeah and they really do like every area it's very but
Speaker #0
it's amazing it actually does it really does work and it's it's not even you notice it after it's like maybe the week after if anyone knows anything about the rough ones against the soft ones please tell us because I'm dying to know Like, is it frowned upon when they're rough?
Speaker #1
Yeah. Also, Gazza, from last week, we had Roisin write in. Oh, do I know this Roisin? Hang on.
Speaker #0
A matchmaker. She previously gave us some dating advice way back when. Like, she's in the matchmaking industry,
Speaker #1
I believe. Matchmaker extraordinaire. So she helped us out with a dating episode we did as 30, 30 and Pershing.
Speaker #0
So she wrote in about the non-askers. she said some of the accused would be the usual unaware remit but some others were people who were just quite lonely it seemed and maybe just exploded when they finally got a date oh sorry Roshi no no it could be true though no no it definitely is you know when you're when you meet up with someone who might live alone and they mightn't have talked to someone and you just notice.
Speaker #1
Yeah.
Speaker #0
They're kind of like that. Yeah, but then the initial gets out and then like ask one question.
Speaker #1
Regardless of the meeting up with friends. But unfortunately, then it happens on dates.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
It's still like look in the mirror.
Speaker #0
Yeah, still.
Speaker #1
You know, the Aisling from Big Brother. Know yourself. Know yourself when you speak to me.
Speaker #0
Still non-excuse.
Speaker #1
Good for context.
Speaker #0
Thank you, Roisin, but still.
Speaker #1
It's still unacceptable.
Speaker #0
They're narcissists. Now, I saw Wicked for Good, part two at the weekend.
Speaker #1
Oh, you did?
Speaker #0
As per, I didn't read any reviews because I don't like tainting my vision.
Speaker #1
Yes. Now,
Speaker #0
from what I understand, it's gotten some not good reviews. The Independent says there's no magic in the aimless slog of Wicked for Good. The New Yorker said Wicked for Good is very, very bad.
Speaker #1
Oh.
Speaker #0
Yeah, it didn't get a good vibe. I thought it was brilliant.
Speaker #1
It still broke all the records. It beat Wicked One in the box office. I think it's made like over $200 million in its opening week.
Speaker #0
That was a very good start.
Speaker #1
Thank you.
Speaker #0
I thought it was really good. I thought it was a perfect part two. I did think it could be a bit shorter, but it was very heartfelt. It was a lot about friendship. I feel like it kind of mirrors them as friends.
Speaker #1
Yes.
Speaker #0
And we can go into that in a second. And then if you don't know the story, it's kind of how the Tin Man, the Scarecrow and the Lion come about in Wizard of Oz.
Speaker #1
I've totally forgotten this storyline.
Speaker #0
Yeah. So all throughout, I'd kind of forgotten the storyline. And then I was like, is he going to be a Tin Man? And may I say the visual effects for the Tin Man are excellent.
Speaker #1
Great.
Speaker #0
Yeah, really good. Now, Jonathan Bailey and Cynthia Erivo have a bit of like. he actually likes her in the end and not Glinda and they get together and they have kind of like a little raunchy scene when I say raunchy it's not that raunchy it's on the lips she's still wearing like a heavily coated huge knitted gray coat in it he's sexing it up yeah and I saw someone say they don't have like that much chemistry or anything like that but um I thought it was brilliant. I also thought it really spoke to kind of stuff that's going on today because it's all about getting rid of munchkins and the munchkins can't travel or move across the borders and stuff. Yeah, sort of the world we're living in, if we're going to get deep.
Speaker #1
Reflective.
Speaker #0
Yeah, Ariana Grande is brilliant in it. Obviously Cynthia Erivo is, but like Ariana Grande, because her character in the first one I think is quite comical. You see her a bit more emotional in this. And it's a really lovely part two all about friendship. Yeah, I thought it was really, really good. Reviews weren't great. I thought it was excellent. Apparently, also, I didn't know they had two original songs in it.
Speaker #1
They did. I heard that. I think, though, even of the stage show of Wicked, the second half just isn't as good as the first. I did hear some people say that, like, well, they wanted to give, they wanted to hold space for, like, the whole story and do it in two parts. what would have been a bigger bang is if they just put it in one. It didn't need to be the two parts. And has the second part kind of diluted the first, which I thought was interesting. But like, I loved the first one, don't get me wrong, but I'm now like wicked sad. So that's just what I've been hearing.
Speaker #0
It would have been a lot to fit into one movie though.
Speaker #1
But I think like it's five hours.
Speaker #0
Or maybe they cut it a teeny bit before.
Speaker #1
Yeah.
Speaker #0
But everyone says that about the stage show, yeah. that the second part is a bit darker. It's also really fun because they kind of bring in then the Wizard of Oz stuff. So like you see Dorothy B. Dunstier face. You see like her feet and her dress and you see like the Alec McRose. So they're kind of all setting that up. Also, what came up this week was, I saw it last night on Instagram and then I was kind of Googling it, but I don't know what the source is. And they've defined their relationship finally.
Speaker #1
It's quite a long title.
Speaker #0
Also very confusing. Non-demi-curious semi-binary relationship.
Speaker #1
And that means...
Speaker #0
And then this article goes, and that means we're not actually a couple, but we are curious about what that could mean and everything.
Speaker #1
I just think you've gotten to the end of the press store. Just, you know... I mean,
Speaker #0
we're not actually a couple, but we are curious about what that would mean and everything. So is that like kind of when you're seeing someone, but you both know it's not going anywhere?
Speaker #1
Is it? Yeah. Like, what is that?
Speaker #0
Is it?
Speaker #1
It must be that. So obviously there's been some amazing memes about their friendship online. And like some theories are saying like for fear of it looking like pitting two women against each other, they have to go to the whole total extreme of like we would die without each other kind of love in. That kind of answer feels... Look, speak your truth, queens, but... They're open to exploring. It's just a lot to digest.
Speaker #0
I just think in the world where there's so many terms these days. Is Cynthia Erivo straight?
Speaker #1
No. Cynthia Erivo goes out with Lena Waithe, who is... She is a huge, big producer now, but she was in, if you ever saw Master of None.
Speaker #0
No, is that with Aziz Ansari?
Speaker #1
And so they met, yeah, they met in 2018 at the Met Gala. That is just such a good meet cute for these type of people.
Speaker #0
Imagine meeting at the Met Gala.
Speaker #1
I know. And they've been in a public relationship since 2022.
Speaker #0
So they're basically just saying they're kind of besties.
Speaker #1
I think that's kind of like if somebody asked you, say you had like a close male friend and someone goes, would you ever like consider, like why aren't you guys together? You get on so well. Then you would give this response. we're in a non-demi-curious semi-binary relationship.
Speaker #0
Yeah, they're kind of pulling our leg.
Speaker #1
Which basically means, you know, we might have a pact that if we're both single by the time we're 50, we'll get married. I think that's maybe the Gen Z version of what they just said.
Speaker #0
I watched that school where she goes back to her school. By the way, it's amazing.
Speaker #1
Isn't it?
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
God. And then there was also a meme I put up during the week. It was a combination of all the Wicked for Good press tour. and the caption of it was like it's like Cynthia Erivo is the only person on earth who knows that Ariana is dying and then it's like that's why she's being so protective of her and then when you watch the clips with that like lens you're like oh my god she's actually protecting her life yeah and I just don't blame them for being a bit delulue at the end sorry obviously if this is you putting an identity on your relationship that's amazing But I also don't blame them if they're extremely delirious after a two year press tour. And as we were saying last week, like there's such theatre people.
Speaker #0
Theatre folk, yeah.
Speaker #1
Such theatre folk. But I think that they're like really in their moment.
Speaker #0
Yeah.
Speaker #1
So it's kind of to the average Joe, their whole like love in seems a bit intoxicating and seems a bit over the top. But that's just where they wear their feelings, like on their sleeve, heart on sleeve is just how they kind of roll.
Speaker #0
You know when they're going to all those premieres and there's so many it must be like but their outfits are so elaborate it must be so like oh I didn't really get to do much in that outfit.
Speaker #1
No just pose for photos.
Speaker #0
You know because it's really just a press picture.
Speaker #1
Yeah and I'd say there but I'd say Cynthia's like I can never wear green again.
Speaker #0
No.
Speaker #1
I like their love in I must say I don't I don't I can see why people find it annoying.
Speaker #0
I look them on screen they have like a bit of a fight in the second one and it's quite funny yeah I think they have really good chemistry because Ariana was on
Speaker #1
Good Hang with Amy Poehler that podcast yeah I saw a few clips I listened to it and she was saying that she's like I'm going to do one more small tour and then that's it and then people were going nuts being like oh my god she's not a singer anymore but like lest we forget she started as an actor so of course she's going to go back to acting so but especially after this new transatlantic accent she has she's clearly gone to some kind of dialect coach and her voice has totally changed So she definitely wants, she's doing Meet the Fockers. There's a fifth sequel or something.
Speaker #0
Sorry, I heard about this.
Speaker #1
But you'd love her to go into something, because she's done Galinda, and now she's doing Meet the Fockers. Like, that just seems like it's going to be a stupid comedy, American comedy. Like, you'd love to see her doing something a bit gritty. Like, you know, she's really serious about this being an actor.
Speaker #0
Oh, I like her as a funny person.
Speaker #1
I know, but give us a bit of range. You've done the funny.
Speaker #0
But that's like her first movie. But if you look back at her, like, my lips. I get it. Yeah. It's a battle. That with her now is two very different people.
Speaker #1
Two very different races.
Speaker #0
And she said her voice changed loads. because of the singing, your register and stuff changes. I think she said it in that interview.
Speaker #1
Yes. But we all saw that video in Wicked Press Store around one, when she was on with Penn Badgley and she was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that song. But yeah, I'd love to just like get into a bit more singing and stuff. Like when she changes her tone, it's like, excuse me.
Speaker #0
It's kind of like Paris Hilton.
Speaker #1
It's exactly that.
Speaker #0
She has a baby voice, yeah.
Speaker #1
She's appropriated maybe.
Speaker #0
She did get accused of blackfishing.
Speaker #1
Yeah.
Speaker #0
Now, Gazza, moving on from Wicked, you've something about Katy Perry.
Speaker #1
Ugh. A while ago, we spoke about in the pod, Katy Perry suing a veteran over the sale of a home. Yes. She was suing 85-year-old Carl Westcott, the veteran, over the multi-million dollar mansion battle. So basically, at the time, Orlando and Katy Perry bought the house. So the house is in Montecito. Her neighbours would be Oprah, Harry and Meghan.
Speaker #0
Meghan, yeah.
Speaker #1
And she bought the house for $15 million. And days after the contract was signed, Carl Westcott, the veteran, attempted to backtrack on the deal, claiming that he was incapacitated when he was signing the paperwork due to all the painkillers he was on after a major surgery. Okay. He has Huntington's disease, which is like a condition that affects your thinking and movement and mood. And yeah, Katy Perry continued the legal pursuit, saying that he had to sign over the house and they've just been in this legal battle. And he signed the contract four days after he had undergone a six hour back surgery. So he's on a cocktail of opioids and painkillers.
Speaker #0
Isn't that void if you sign a contract when you're...
Speaker #1
100%. But it's come out now that a judge has sided with Perry in the dispute, saying that in fact he was of sound mind when the sale went through. And he presented no persuasive evidence that he lacked the capacity to enter into a real estate contract and that that contract should be respected. So now he owes Katy Perry $1.8 million in legal fees and damages.
Speaker #0
In legal fees?
Speaker #1
Uh-huh. And Perry's basically suing him for the accountable money she lost in rentals and repairs. And Perry herself testified via video call during the court case this week and said that she stands to lose money if this doesn't work in her favour.
Speaker #0
I mean, court is just so expensive.
Speaker #1
And as we also spoke about in the podcast before, like she also bought a house off a load of nuns. And one of the nuns who was trying to keep the house died in court when this was going on. So. Basically, Katy Perry continues to sue old people and is now like winning. And she's won this case and this poor family now are without their family home. And your man is 85 and she's causing all this stress. I just think that is such a sign of the type of person that she is.
Speaker #0
I can't figure her out.
Speaker #1
I think if you want to know something about somebody, look at their actions. And I think suing, OK, fool me once by suing an old person. You're not going to fool me twice by constantly suing old people. Like, I think just walk away. How important is this house? It's not even your home. You didn't even want to live in it. You wanted to rent it out.
Speaker #0
She was buying it to rent.
Speaker #1
It was a buy to let.
Speaker #0
Was it like a tax thing?
Speaker #1
I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Because after the sale went through, Orlando Bloom wrote a note to Westcott thanking him for selling him the house. So it seemed to be on, like, good terms. And they were going to live in it with their daughter, Daisy Dove. But obviously they want to rent it now. But like, why would you want to keep a house that you bought with your ex-husband? Like, just get rid of it? Like, surely from like a money point of view, they'd want to split the cash.
Speaker #0
I can't figure her out.
Speaker #1
I think we can. Easy. She is not a nice person.
Speaker #0
Can we? Like, she comes across as...
Speaker #1
But that's the thing. That's the facade. That's the Kitty Perry. Oh, I'm just an astronaut with like a sexy alien concert tour. But no.
Speaker #0
You know, she did like her kind of comeback thing. and then her auntie Bloom came out and like... they then filed for divorce very soon after.
Speaker #1
They're the facts we need to be listening to.
Speaker #0
And then she's going out with your man now. Justin Trudeau.
Speaker #1
That is the biggest romance I've ever seen in my entire life.
Speaker #0
Oh, tinfoil hot Tony.
Speaker #1
That's a good name. Fair play. But one thing we know for sure is she likes men with tousled brown hair.
Speaker #0
Don't we all?
Speaker #1
Because he looks... And then the Justin Trudeau, I just, I don't buy that for a fucking second. That is her trying to change that narrative. This is why showmances exist. She's putting out these other little press stories. So nobody is talking about the fact that she's just gotten nearly $2 million off an old dying veteran. You need to, you know,
Speaker #0
those people, the royal, the royal experts that they have on. You need to be a conspiracy theorist, like tinfoil expert.
Speaker #1
Yeah. I'd only get to go on like Piers Morgan or something. But yeah, fine.
Speaker #0
You'd be so good at it.
Speaker #1
One of those talking heads getting into arguments.
Speaker #0
Yeah. And they'd be like, tinfoil hat entrepreneur.
Speaker #1
It's such a low blow though. Like who in her team? Like she keeps getting backlash about this story, but she clearly cares more about the money and getting that house back.
Speaker #0
I don't know. Like I obviously feel sorry for the other party, but. We don't know the full story.
Speaker #1
Just from the PR alone, walk away.
Speaker #0
With what? 1.5 million less.
Speaker #1
It's an old dying man. Leave him alone. Stop suing him. Let him have the house. Just what you could have just had was like, fine, I'll walk away from the deal. Everybody just gets their money back and I don't get the house. That's what they should have done. The fact that it even went to court.
Speaker #0
I just think there might be more to the story. I don't know.
Speaker #1
Who's the tip for that now? always you no no i don't know i just think people's actions speak louder and she can't stop suing old people people actions do speak louder that's very good that's all i have to say about that i have another curiosity just a light curiosity does anyone know what megan trainer's boss is i saw her at chris jenner's party and i had no idea who it was
Speaker #0
I don't understand. Like, she's always on the Daily Mail. I saw this article this morning and it sparked my questioning of like, how is she making any money? She does like Instagram songs. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's quite like kitschy.
Speaker #1
Conor Maynard.
Speaker #0
She is the female Conor Maynard.
Speaker #1
Just an American Conor Maynard. Huge on TikTok, but not a song to thread together.
Speaker #0
That is probably the most clever thing you've ever said. How did I not connect the dots? I was like, she's kind of, she, well, yeah. She was on the Daily Mail this morning and says, Meghan Trainor shows off new boob job on red carpet after weight loss drug admission. And she's kind of always, always talking about her new teeth, her new boobs, her new body. All her music is like, It's very TikTok-y. She's also going out with your man from Spy Kids, the little fella.
Speaker #1
Sorry,
Speaker #0
they're married. Yeah, I don't know whoever does her PR. I'm confused. She is the female Conor Maynard.
Speaker #1
She's at everything. Like, she's in all the right circles.
Speaker #0
She's everywhere but she's not doing anything. And I think she's southern. Sorry, that doesn't have anything to do with anything.
Speaker #1
The connections she has are crazy. Like... Because she seemed to me like just a bit of a one hit wonder from like the 2015, like by 10 years ago.
Speaker #0
She is.
Speaker #1
But she now seems to be like more relevant than ever. But I don't know why.
Speaker #0
And she's telling everybody everything. She told someone that her and her husband, the little fella, both took a weight loss drug. She's talking about her boob job.
Speaker #1
She did SponCon, I think, for the boob job. She's done a lot of work. A lot of work.
Speaker #0
Yeah. New teeth. She is Conor Maynard. Well done. as her. I don't have anything else to say besides I don't know where she's coming from, who's giving her a push. I don't know what it is.
Speaker #1
The mystery of Meghan Trainor. It's weird how some people just hang around and be relevant and then.
Speaker #0
But she's not relevant. She's very outspoken. Maybe does she have a podcast? Maybe that's it. But like Kris Jenner in your music video.
Speaker #1
I know, yeah.
Speaker #0
Anyway, I have nothing else to back up that conversation. I just really wanted to know and you've defined it. She's Conor Maynard. That is so true. Wather. Gazzer. Not Gather. Gather. You have something on Timothée
Speaker #1
Chalamet. Just a small light musing on Timothée Chalamet and his recent press tour for Mardi Supreme. So we all know Timothée. is it Timothy or Timothy? I like Timothy.
Speaker #0
It's Timahay.
Speaker #1
Timahay. So he loves a little PR stunt, like arriving to the Bob Dylan movie on a line bike. He attended his own lookalike competition in New York.
Speaker #0
That's quite funny, to be fair.
Speaker #1
You know, he loves a little, yeah, rogue moment to show up. But now in the recent press tour for his new movie, Marty Supreme, he's got a few tricks up his sleeve. There's wild rumors that he is cosplaying or pretending to be this Scouser rapper called SD Kid, which they do look very alike in the eyes. But he definitely knows how to get the people talking. Like he does do random stuff. He showed up to the premiere in New York with kind of like a load of men around him all dressed in black with these big, what Dave Ill called it, bulbous orange masks to resemble ping pong balls because the movie's all about a ping pong. ping pong champ and he is loving the color orange he's kind of he's making jokes about trying to make like the barbie pink we're gonna do marty spream orange okay i'm wearing marty spream orange am i yeah he even got like a big orange blimp to fly over hollywood he's working with this movie director who's also doing the new charlie xex mockumentary to make all this content he also did this really funny it's like this 18 minute video where he's talking to his press team and at the beginning you think that it's serious but then it gets to be like more and more ridiculous and you realize it's just him kind of pretending to be this cult leader of his own press machine. Actually let's just put in a clip because it's actually quite funny.
Speaker #2
Orange blimp, Marty supreme right? Marty everywhere you go. marty supreme blimp like even tyler is headlining flogna we should have the blimp go above flogna and rain ping pong balls marty supreme branded rain ping pong balls on everyone i love this video yeah i do too i think
Speaker #3
one thing we'll have to kind of take into consideration is just the safety hazard yeah exactly something we'll we'll think about
Speaker #2
Yeah, and I don't want to put anybody in an unsafe condition too, but I also don't want to be too safe about putting out this movie. You know what I mean? If it's a difference between, you know what I mean, someone losing an arm putting out the movie but someone gaining an arm intellectually when they see it.
Speaker #0
I'm a fan of the latter.
Speaker #1
Look, as we've seen and spoken about, like the Wicked press tour, the Don't Worry Darling press tour, the It Ends With Us, you know, to get people talking about your movies, you do have to get, people are getting very either like stunt dressing like Barbie or stunt dressing like Wicked. You know, there's lots of now new ways that people are coming up with creating a conversation, getting people talking and promoing a film. And Timothy is... Going about it in quite a unique and quite funny way.
Speaker #0
He's had a real attitude change, hasn't he?
Speaker #1
Do you think it's the Kylie effect?
Speaker #0
When he did something like Little Women, he was like, really like, and kind of like bashful and like, eee, like when he was getting in. So now he's really like, I don't know what the effect is, but he's had a real change in his tune.
Speaker #1
The nonchalance of Kylie.
Speaker #0
Pretty like, cool. Well, apparently they're broken up.
Speaker #1
I know. Sorry, I actually don't. But... but they were together for a while so I'm sure she had an effect on it whether they're together or not yeah she's putting up a lot of sultry pics which if he did break up with her is a great way to get back at him what are your stances are if you break up with someone and then like you still have them on Instagram as just as a normal human you need to hide them though hide them from seeing your stuff or hide them from you seeing them from you seeing them because I think you get caught in a loop you can't forget them if you're seeing their stories and stuff and it's hard
Speaker #0
But do you want them to see your stories?
Speaker #1
Yes, but I know it's wrong.
Speaker #0
Yeah, like as in a therapist would say no.
Speaker #1
Yeah, yeah, yeah. As much as you shouldn't see their stuff, they shouldn't be seeing your stuff.
Speaker #0
But there's nothing better than when you put up a really fire pick and then you see they've seen it also really early on.
Speaker #1
Yes, because then you know that you're in their algorithm real high.
Speaker #0
That's like that drop of dopamine. Yes. I recently just deleted someone on Instagram. I should have done it like over a year ago, but I got the nice feeling.
Speaker #1
Yeah. And it feels a bit final.
Speaker #0
Sorry, I had hidden him, but he can still see my stuff. But I removed him.
Speaker #1
It does feel cleaner. It feels like it's like modern day closure, I guess.
Speaker #0
Totally like deleting the WhatsApp conversation.
Speaker #1
Yeah. Do you know what? Somebody only told me to do that after like way too long after the breakup. I was like, duh, why would I have this toxicity in my smartphone?
Speaker #0
I don't know. And I put it in my archives and then I saw it and I was like, why? And this is like over a year later. I was like, I'll delete that. Like, why was it there?
Speaker #1
Like it's the digital reminders that then take you back.
Speaker #0
But then you're like, do you want the receipts? And you're like, no, why would you want the receipts?
Speaker #1
Exactly.
Speaker #0
I deleted that.
Speaker #1
And it does feel like very cleansing. It's like.
Speaker #0
does this spark joy no it doesn't yeah you're so right though you know and it takes you back to that and you're like oh that was awful I know and you know you look at the messages and you're like did I write that who was that like that version of me and that version of them yeah
Speaker #1
and it because like even if I look over like old emails to friends I'm like I don't remember writing that at all oh the way you talk yeah the way you talk and then I have okay so everything's gone off like texts and whatsapps and instagrams it's all like blocked and very clean breaky but I do have emails and sometimes I read it this was like our final email and sometimes I read it or like think of it and I go and I look at it and it was me just giving it like receipt after receipt I was like don't you dare one of your quotes like don't you dare talk to me like that and like a real just final mentee I look at it and I won't delete that one because I'm like, I'm so glad I spoke up for myself. And that was it then. And I was just like, fuck you. Goodbye. And it was great.
Speaker #0
Oh, yeah. Do you remember the screenshots I showed you of the ones I sent the one I was talking about there who I deleted? Oh,
Speaker #1
yes. Yes.
Speaker #0
It was like four months later or something. And I got some messages and I was so delighted with how I replied. And I think that's why I kept the messages there for a while.
Speaker #1
But you need them as a reminder. It's not really about the person, but it's like, here's proof of me standing up for myself.
Speaker #0
Or that it was awful. Why are you thinking like it was a teeny bit nice? Because it wasn't.
Speaker #1
Exactly. And it's proof to yourself and you showing the universe that you're like, I do not put up with this shit anymore. No siree, Bob.
Speaker #0
No.
Speaker #1
Not today.
Speaker #0
And then deleting it was kind of like, I've gotten over that whole thing anyway. Like, I know I did it, so I deleted it. Anyway, I would recommend, ladies.
Speaker #1
Good digital clear-outs. They're good. They're good for the soul. They're hard, but you feel so much lighter.
Speaker #0
Yeah, I was doing another one and I was like, oh, do I want to delete it? Because I look at that one a bit more fondly and then I'm like, no, I should. Sorry to delete it.
Speaker #1
And another thing you can do if you've got an iPhone, ladies and gentlemen, like, you know, the way like memories and stuff pop up.
Speaker #0
Oh, yeah.
Speaker #1
The way they recognize people. You can then say, hide this person from me.
Speaker #0
I don't like him.
Speaker #1
Best top tip. because then when you get a flash on your phone, you're like, I didn't look for this. So I've had that hidden. Even their dog is hidden.
Speaker #0
I didn't have a lot of photos of the one I can't stand. So thank God.
Speaker #1
Oh,
Speaker #0
that's really good. He comes up.
Speaker #1
Look at this. I had to block the dog's Instagram because the dog's Instagram was fucking sniffing around me. And I said, I can't believe I'm having to block a dog here. And I had to say that. You're forcing me to block a dog's Instagram because you can't start getting in touch with me drunkenly. Piss off.
Speaker #0
Oh, was it drunkenly?
Speaker #1
Yes. And you know, you kind of like, when I have fights with anyone, particularly someone in a relationship, even with Mick now, I like my trauma, not, okay, trauma response is like a bit of a dramatic way to say it.
Speaker #0
Fight or flight.
Speaker #1
But with fights. I just don't remember them. I don't remember what they were about. Even like the next day. You blocked them out. I literally, that's how I deal with them because of this one relationship that the fights were that bad that I just was like.
Speaker #0
You had to block them out.
Speaker #1
It's honestly the closest thing I could call to a trauma response. Because now I just can't remember. Even like having fights with Mick now, I'm like, I can't remember what they were about, even though it could have been about like.
Speaker #0
I'm mad at you, but I can't remember why.
Speaker #1
Yeah, it's like just something stupid and trivial.
Speaker #0
So is your underpants.
Speaker #1
Iron your underpants immediately. But I still, it's actually a hangover from that.
Speaker #0
Memory blocks are a trauma response.
Speaker #1
Which I definitely get. And then I'm like, I can't remember what that was about. And it was like,
Speaker #0
it was yesterday.
Speaker #1
It was great for me. Yeah, yeah. He's like, boop, boop, boop, boop.
Speaker #0
Very funny. That got a bit more personal and that was really nice. Ladies, we will end it on another personal note. A recommendation from the tinfoil hat connoisseur herself. Gazza, what are you recommending?
Speaker #1
Oh. I have a lovely, gentle show on Netflix. I recommended season one. Season two is Back Baby. It's Ted Danson from Cheers fame. He's 76. In his show, A Man on the Inside. Season one was set in a nursing home. You might remember I spoke about it. And he basically gets a job as a private investigator trying to solve a case in a nursing home. Season two has moved on a year later. And he's in a college university.
Speaker #0
That I can do. I couldn't do the nursing home.
Speaker #1
Oh, it was so sweet. A bit teary. This season is definitely more fun.
Speaker #0
I really like him though.
Speaker #1
Yeah. Oh my God. Every episode he's in a suit and tie. It's so cute. But it's so funny. It is just a lovely half an hour. If you need like just a nice little gentle show to shield yourself from all the shit that's going on in the world. It's made by Michael Schur. who did Parks and Rec, The Office, A Good Place. He's just one of the really big producers in Hollywood, I guess. And he's very funny. And there's loads of like in-jokes from it now. It just really celebrates people of all ages. And it's just a lovely, like heartwarming, funny show. And season two is just as funny as season one was. Maybe even more. I laughed so much at it. It's just like a lovely little... show and he's the best and his real life wife is in it who's his real life wife she is a woman she plays the mum in stepbrothers she's in book club with diane keaton oh my god you know what's her name mary steenbergen i didn't know they were married i love that she's in loads of american like comedies she's cheekbones for days she is great and they've been married for 30 years
Speaker #0
That's what we need.
Speaker #1
But also Schmitty from New Girl is in it and he's basically playing Schmidt. It's amazing. He's kind of evil.
Speaker #0
So this one I actually could watch.
Speaker #1
So yeah, totally recommend Netflix. Man on the Inside season two. It's just a delight.
Speaker #0
I love that, Casa. Thank you so much. I will be watching it because it's not set in a nursing home and that would hurt my spirit a bit much. Thank you all so much for listening. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram at Soph underscore Lions at Classic Cabana at House of Gossip. pod and we'll talk to you later happy festive week

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