- Antoine Lacouturière
Hello, welcome to Health at Your Fingertips, the podcast about wellness and healthcare. My name is Antoine Lacouturière, a former high-level badminton player, and I have been practicing osteopathy and sophrology for 10 years now. Passionate about the workings of the human body, I'm delighted to explore these subjects with you through the eyes of our experts. Today, I'm honored and privileged to welcome a visionary healthcare professional with a global impact, Dr. Kenneth H. Cooper, an American physician, inventor of aerobics, author of numerous best-selling books, creator of the famous Walno Cooper test, founder of the Kutting Head Center for Preventive Medicine, and collaborator on various projects around the world with different organizations. He is a major contributor to raising global awareness of the importance of multi-level prevention. Beyond the fact that, at 94, he is a living example of his approach. Meeting Dr. Cooper at his center in Dallas, along with my friend Jennifer Leogier, whom I thank for supporting me so well, was one of the highlights of my life. We discussed various topics his background his visionary ideas the obstacles he had to and was able to overcome no it was not all easy the world of spirituality factors of longevity and simple tools for self-care I warmly thank him for this shared moment and his particularly inspiring testimony enjoy the discovery and I look forward to hearing back from you. For start, I want to say thank you for today, for your time. It's an honor for me to be here with my podcast. In French, it's Toucher du doigt la santé. And in English, we can say maybe help at your fingertips, like the image. So before my question, I want to say thank you for another thing. When I was younger, I played in a national team in Badminton. And during hours and hours, we worked with the Cooper test.
- Dr Kenneth H Cooper
Cooper test. Yes. Cooper test.
- Antoine Lacouturière
Yesterday, I understand.
- Dr Kenneth H Cooper
That's more popular around the world than the aerobics program is, the Cooper test.
- Antoine Lacouturière
Yes.
- Dr Kenneth H Cooper
People hate me and they love me. They hate me for the Cooper test.
- Antoine Lacouturière
For my work, it's very nice. So thank you for that.
- Dr Kenneth H Cooper
Let me tell you what we did with the Brazilian team. After we tested them the first time on the Cooper test, that was in April 1969, they averaged 1.8, it was 1.86 miles. Forget the number of meters it was. But they had to run 20 miles a week. They had to do that in addition to soccer. They had to run five miles four times a week for that whole period. But Tommy tested them again, and it was in April 1974, they started playing in Mexico City in June. And they went from 1.86 miles to 2.3 miles in 12 minutes. and i told them that if they follow my recommendations this is what will happen number one it'll delay the onset of fatigue and reduce injuries because vince lombardi once said fatigue athletes get injured number two you'll play better the second half of the game of course international soccer is 45 minutes in 30 minutes and 45 minutes all teams go down if you're up here your other teams are down here you'll see it be ahead at the end of the second half number three it'll reduce injuries during the latter games of the season so you'll be in better shape the end of the season than the other teams are and number four prolonging professional career that's what i told the athletes and so what they did they did that and going from 1.86 miles to 2.3 miles in 12 minutes they were doing about 33 3300 meters in 12 minutes they went to world cup they won six consecutive matches when he retired in the world cup and for their attack they were tied there for other two matches one goal ahead and they were tied three to one with italy in the finals they won the second half by i swear four to one It was tied 1-1 in the half, and they won 4-1 at the end of the game, because they were trained by Cooper. And so everybody goes back and they get wiped out by the Germans in one of the later World Cups. We're going to have a World Cup here in a couple of years in Dallas, you probably know about that. Yeah, it's going to be interesting. Well, I won't be living that long, but I'm going to be involved in the World Cup if they have it here in Dallas, I'll guarantee you. Because I know that Havelanche was my friend, and he was the president of FIFA. So I've had a lot of contact with international soccer. And they made, because he was concerned too. About the referees and linesmen since that poor shape they couldn't keep up the international soccer Couldn't keep up with the players on the field and so the mandatory requirement I don't know whether still there or not made it mandatory that the linesmen are on 2,400 meters in 12 minutes and they have reference around 2,800 and 12 minutes That's one in three quarter miles in 12 minutes And so there's an actual standard when they had the World Cup before here in Dallas what it was that it was in out in California But we had all the linesmen and referees staying here at our hotel and they stayed here for a period of weeks in fact we had about 50 of them we're staying here and this auditorium right behind we had a little united nations we had we had simultaneous translation with it's on what the new rules are going to be and all that and we had a guard gate out there when we were during the world cup could have stayed here and then fly out to the venues during the week they were sitting for six weeks during world cup and i was i saw several of them downtown at the at the cod box some of the events we had here i went to see the finals and And L.A. too, they had to work up. And so we had a guard, had to have a guard box out here. The main entrance was here, only one entrance, the people by 2nd Hotel. And it said, is that to keep them from coming in and hurting them so they keep them from being bribed? They had to make sure somebody came to keep them from being bribed, being paid to make the decision. And a funny thing happened. completely off the subject, but one of the guards here during that period of time ended up being my son-in-law. He's married to my daughter, Berkeley. You didn't know that, Jujube. You know that? That's where he met TJS. He was a guard.
- Antoine Lacouturière
Dr. Cooper, I have a question for start to, can you share with us your vision of health?
- Dr Kenneth H Cooper
Let me just give you a kind of a scenario here. When I was in high school, born and raised in Oklahoma City. My father, practicing dentist, did not encourage me to participate in exercise because this was common thinking back in the 40s. This is 1949, I graduated from high school, and it was a feeling that if you exercise too much, you get an athletic heart. Athletic heart is an enlarged heart. Now, back in those days, we didn't have echocardiograms. The only thing we would see was a chest x-ray and see the heart was enlarged. And he was convinced, as my medical professors and medicals convinced, if you don't exercise too much, you've got an athletic heart, and you'll shorten your lifespan. Because that heart will get muscular, and then once you're tough, it actually converts into fat, and you die early. So he never saw me run an athletic event. He never ran four years in college. Won the state's championship in the mile run, 1,600 meters in Oklahoma. Missed the state record by one second in the state. made All-State in basketball. So I was an athlete in several areas, played football for one semester when I was in high school. Never saw me run, never saw me in athletic event. My mother went as many things as she could. She supported me. My father didn't. Because he was convinced I was going to be able to kill myself. Then in medical school back in the 50s, 52 to 56, I was in medical school. And we were taught that past 40 years of age, you don't exercise. Because again, you have an athletic heart. That was still popular when I was in medical school. We've been told people had heart attacks. If you live in a two-story house, you have to move to a one-story house. You can't walk up and down a flight of stairs anymore. So when I came around and saw the people who had heart attacks could run marathons, I was ostracized and criticized viciously. The first book came out in 1960. The street's going to be full of dead joggers if people follow Cooper. And Cuba's going to kill more people than Hitler did in World War II. Some vicious things they get after me. Even when I came to Dallas in 1970, started doing treadmill stress testing. Had to go aboard the sensors because you're going to kill people with that. So that was still prominent. In the first book, Art Yarrington, and I was in the Air Force at the time. I was in the Army for two and a half years, in the Air Force for 10 and a half, 13 years military. And in the Air Force, I was a flight surgeon. And I did have to work with a... pilots all the time. And one was named Art Harrington. And he was a fighter pilot, but he had been diagnosed as having a heart attack. And so he'd taken all the flying tests, and I've had to ground him because of that. Well, let's take you as experimental trial and see if we can do that. So I trained him, even having had a heart attack, that he could run a marathon. And he got back on flying staff. That's the success of the first book in the world, which you read about Arthur Harrington. So that kind of revolutionized how I always feel too about people with heart attacks. So that was a major controversy I had to overcome. And then the field of stress testing. The field of stress testing, we didn't have the capability when it's in the early 1960s. So we read an EKG on exercising subject. I was in the Air Force, but I transferred from the Army to the Air Force to go into the aerospace medicine program, become an astronaut. And my goal was to become a scientist astronaut with NASA. So I transferred from the Army to the Air Force in 1960 to go become a board certified person. in aerospace medicine. I had my boards in aerospace medicine. But it's a problem that in working with NASA, we had two things we tried to resolve. One is to stop the deterioration of fitness that occurs when people go into weightless state. It's like going to bed. And then you get up, you've been in bed for a while, and you pass out. And that was a fear these astronauts would pass out in a survival situation and wouldn't even live. So we had to develop an in-flight anti-deconditioning program. was the first thing. And so we had a bed rest study, it's in the new book, a bed rest study where people would lie flat on their back in bed for about two weeks. And we used the flak test to see if they would pass out. And the flak test, when you sit on a saddle and your legs are not supported, you sit there and the blood pools your legs, you pass out. And so we used that to see if the people had a problem with passing out. If they could be exercising on a supine position, a bed 45 minutes to one stage, compared to a group that didn't exercise, that was dramatic. And so that's why we got the bicycler gummeter used by the astronauts in space. So then the second thing, we did not have a real EKG because there was too much artifact. This was early 1960s. So Bill and I had the responsibility. He was my comrade, my associate, who was also in the NASA program, become a scientist astronaut. His name was Bill Thornton. And so we had to respond. We worked through a whole series of technologies using modern technology to get a readable EKG. We got one that has a perfect EKG now. We had no problem with that. So we developed the EKG technology to be used. The foundation of our work here, as you'll hear why in just a few minutes, and that revolutionized the whole field of stress testing. But that still wasn't accepted when I came to Dallas. It was in 1962. I did a thousand tests in the military. I know what I'm doing. And so I wasn't censored by the board, but they didn't slap my wrist. But the second person in town had a treadmill for stress, even the chairman of the board of censors. We've now passed 300,000 stress tests now on 150,000 patients without any major problem. But we found, too, in one of our major studies that we followed a group of people. They came to the clinic an average age of 50, 21 percent women. We fought for 25 years, got their Medicare data from 65 to 75 years of age. And the only variable we looked at was their time on the treadmill. Very poor, poor, fair, good ex, and superior. All age and sex adjusted. Compare the top 20 percentile with the bottom 20 percentile. These people had 36 percent less Alzheimer's dementia than these people had. Remember, all we measured, the level of fitness. Didn't measure the... amyloid placartal protein or anything like that. But the dramatic difference there in Alzheimer's dementia, they had 40% less chronic kidney disease requiring dialysis compared to this category. They had 25% reduction in all types of cancer and 25% reduction in congestive heart failure, which is going up around the world, or went down. The only variable was their level of fitness. So we showed, too, an amazing thing was The cost of Medicare from 65 to 75 years of age was 40% less in this category than this category. We're the first people to prove and publish some peer-reviewed articles in medical journals. We published seven articles on this to show that you can prevent Alzheimer's dementia and you can reduce the cost of health care. Also, we showed that people that come to our clinic on a regular basis, and these are people that have come to us with 1,000, 100,000 people in this study right here. And we found, if we got there, they come to us at least 20 times over a 45-year period. We got their death certificates and found that they're squaring off their curve. They're dying this way, not this way. They're condensing the time of senility and senescence into a short period immediately prior to death. They're not dying five to six years later. They're dying quickly. If I die tomorrow, praise the Lord. To me, 94 years, I've had a wonderful life. I want to go this way. I'll take that compared to having dementia for four or five years before I don't recognize my family. Listen to this. Our women are averaging 90.4 years. Our men are averaging 86.5 years. You're also going to be 94. Our average is 88.6 years. The American average is 10 years less than that. So our people are living 10 years longer, and you can take that now, than the average American because they're getting Cooperized is what it is. And Cooperized is something that we feel these people have gone through. We try to get all the people coming to our clinic Cooperized. And we've been very successful with that. With these things, we recommend. Number one, get your weight under control. Obesity is a disease, and we're rampant throughout the world. You have to keep in mind, too, that a year ago, the World Health Organization said there's over 500 million people around the world who are totally sedentary. That's costing an average of $29 billion a year to take care of diseases that could be eliminated if you eliminate inactivity. That's $300 billion over a 10-year period. Diseases related to inactivity. And so by proving this, the people being high level fitness, this bottom level of fitness, is going to have a dramatic effect on prolonging your life, reducing the cost of health, and all these various things. The same situation I've given to you, I gave to Ted Cruz and John Cornyn, are two U.S. senators here in Texas, sitting in that chair when they came through over the last six months or so. And particularly those things, you can prevent Alzheimer's dementia, you can reduce the cost of health care. We spend twice as much money as anybody else in the world on health care, ranked 43rd in longevity. We spend way too much of a health service dollar on desperate measures that often prolongs death, not life, a miserable few days. That can be changed. And so I gave those statistics to these two senators. They said, we've got to get this back to Washington. Well, I said, good luck. I've been trying that for 40 years with no success. I think now, though, with the new president. One of his members of his cabinet, his name is Scott Turner, and he's the new secretary, he's been confirmed that, of Housing and Urban Development, HUB. And he's been a patient of mine for many years. And one of the Kennedy relatives is now the new HHS secretary. And he's going to make America healthy again. He is not the ideal man to make America healthy again, because he got selected by Trump because he's anti-vaccine. And the World Health Organization said that you get autism from all these vaccinations. That's no truth to that at all. And the World Health said, you'll eliminate vaccines for these young kids. You'll kill 3 million people a year, 3 million children a year. And that's true. So I said, Scott, you get back. He wants to introduce me to the Secretary of HHS. I said, I'm not going to. I'm not anticipating meeting him. But I got a call last night. I couldn't return from the Republican Party. This was about 10 o'clock at home last night, and I couldn't return. I couldn't get the call. I couldn't get it back. So I'm expecting a call from the NRCC. I don't know what that is. It's not the Republican Party. Because Scott's going to get me trying to get back to talk to the secretary. Because if anybody knows how to make America healthy again, he's supposed to be doing that. We have the means of doing that by getting Couprod. Number one, body weight. Your body weight. Historically, we use the body mass index. And it's your weight in kilograms divided by your height in meters squared. Or it's your weight in pounds divided by your height in inches squared times 703. Use your body mass index. Normal is 18 to 25. I run about 21 is my body mass index. 25 to 30 is overweight. 30 to 35 is obese. About 35 is morbidly obese. But there's a problem with that using the body mass index. The person can be very muscular. They'll have a body mass index, but they don't have any fat because what the body mass intake is indicates that your body is a cylinder. Bodies aren't cylinders. People get a pot belly and they have all their weights in their stomach. And the body mass doesn't indicate that. This came out not too long ago. It's been reported in the New England Journal. It's a body roundness index. And what that does, that measures the circumference of your waist, because that's the probability, and that's where the visceral fat is located. And that's the visceral fat related to all these different diseases, heart disease, cancer, all these things. Because we know that people who are fat have an increased risk of cancer. We know that. People who drink alcohol, we now know that has an increased risk of cancer. All these things are coming to fruition. I've been saying this for years. So number one, we're recommending that you get your body mass indexed. But to make sure if you're not suffering a lot of visceral fat because it's not picking up that pot belly you have, that's get your height and get your waist. And you should be. You can get your inches in height and divide it by one half. If you're six foot in height, that's 72 inches. Your waist should be no larger than 36 inches. If you're five feet in height, that's 60 inches, so larger than 30 inches. So if you can meet that requirement, according to your height and your waist circumference, you don't have any significant visceral fat. Very simple thing. Or you can go to the internet quite readily. You go to the internet. I use Google. And you get the body mass index. Just pipe it up. just typing in your height and your weight. But you get the body roundness index, BRI. You have to type in your age, your sex, and your waist circumference, and your body weight and your height, all of that. You type that in. And that gives you your body roundness index. Mine is five. That's ideal. It's a loop like this. It can be too low or it can be too high. The range is zero to 30. Now, if you're 30, you're morbidly obese, I'll guarantee you. You want to be about five, and that's where I am. It indicates I have less than 4% of visceral fat in my body, which is the idea. You can go to that, to the internet, and very easily type in the thing. Your sex, your age, your weight, and your height, and that's just in your pounds, or your kilograms, you can do that. So these are the things we can do, number one. And in my new book, I'm emphasizing a combination of both to get you out of your body weight. And then number two is proper diet. And proper diet, of course, Mediterranean diet is one of the most efficient diets without questions. There's no question about that. But young people do that. They're going to do that in America. So I tell them just rule of thumb. Five is fine. Nine is divine. Number of servings and fruits and vegetables you consume every day. I easily make five on a regular basis. But the other thing, too, along with that is you want to take vitamin supplements. Because vitamin supplement is important for several reasons. Now, we know that vitamin D, I take 7,000 internationals per day. Because I can give you something that will tell you what is the potential good of vitamin D. Vitamin D benefits right here. I'll read them to you. Reduces inflammation. reduces autoimmunity, reduces cancer cell growth, improves brain function, improves mood and sleep, improves immune system, reduces risk of heart disease. Vitamin D does that. But the average person, unless they're a person of color, has an average vitamin D of around 30. Unless you're regularly exposed to the sun, you may get it up to 40. But I keep mine at 65 to 70. The toxic level is 150. And I think that's why I've had Omicron virus twice. All I had was a headache and quarantined for five days. And in my age, a major risk factor for death from the virus, from Omicron, from a coronavirus, is your age. And number two is obesity. People don't realize that. So their example, obesity, you want to get that control. So again, we know that it's not the virus that causes the problem with the coronavirus, there's pneumonia and death, it's the body's response to the virus. It's called a cytokine storm. It's your autoimmune system over-responding to the virus that attacks the virus, goes to the lungs and causes pneumonia and they die. And we have found if I get that level up to 40 and people of color are down the single digits of the teens, low teens. And they have a marked increased risk of hospitalization and death. They have twice the increase, they have a five-fold increase of being hospitalized and twice the possibility of death in people of lighter skin. And that can be changed. But I'm a classic example of preventing a solitary birth and then they have to find a cure. So I'm doing that. So I've fought this over the years. But again, I write articles for Decision Magazine, and that is Franklin Graham. The first one, I've been writing these every other month since January 2021. And this was the first one. And the last one just came out. And I talked about the problem, most unappreciated, unfunded health problem in America today is home care. Because we have millions of Americans, 20% of Americans are having some type of medical problem that requires home care that is not covered by insurance. My wife has had a problem that required me to provide home care for her, and we had some home care to pay for a while. For one week, it cost $13,000 to have home care. People can't afford that at all. Thank the good Lord she's doing well. But the other thing I said here in this article... that God has had his hand on my life. And I'll stop for a second in what I'm talking about there. To get here 54 years ago and have an R.A. Medical Society on my back, had to go before the Board of the Centers to do something in exchange for treadmill stress testing, tremendous criticism during that time, that I've had to make decisions over the years. I wanted to go one way. I went the other way because the Lord didn't want me to go that way. So Divine Invention, one reason I'm here today, when they told me... You can't practice medicine and down to take care of healthy people. They won't come to you. They come to you when they're sick, not when they're well. Come and see. Let's see what happens. So we find that we can do that. But we have to understand that the whole concept of preventive medicine has been formed because in medical school, I was taught that preventive medicine is sent around the medical school because there's no profit at all. Profit is disease. You can't be successful. Let me tell you, practice care of healthy people. It was a six-month waiting list, as I mentioned. And people, 74% of patients are returning patients. So number one, divine intervention. Number two, a fantastic staff. Any CEO is going to be just as successful as his staff makes him. Number three, we've proven people are effective. Prevent disease and find a cure. And number four, people realize they have a need. You provide a service, get the results they want, they'll make you successful in any field. And that's why 74% of our patients are returning patients. So we got the model established here that we hope to get cooperized around the world. Number one, I've talked about. body weight, body roundness. Number two is your diet. But the other thing along with your diet, you want to avoid dehydration because that becomes rampant as you get older. Increase the risk of falls, increase the risk of strokes, all sorts of things. You've got to avoid getting dehydrated. In my advanced stage, I try to drink this amount of water every day. We all should be drinking at least past 50 years of age. You should be drinking at least a liter a day of water. Now you have to realize older people things that are going to aggravate this condition if you don't get enough water. You need to limit it primarily to water because alcohol and caffeine accelerate dehydration. It makes you urinate all the time. You're giving a diuret to control your blood pressure. It makes you urinate all the time. You've got to concentrate in getting your fluid and it's not alcohol. It's not caffeine. It's not sugary drinks either. It's water or fruit juice. Although fruit juice isn't as good as water. So I'm trying to get... That's about 36 ounces right there. That's about a liter. And so I try to get that in on a daily basis. So that's proper weight and proper diet. And number three, extremely important, proper exercise. And that's getting at least 30 minutes of exercise, collective or sustained, most days a week. That translates to 150 minutes a week. Now, why is that important? That'll be The American College of Sports Medicine said we should be getting a 150-minute aerobic-type activity per week. In the aerobics book, we have 41 exercises that are qualified as being aerobics, particularly the aerobics program for total well-being, published in 1985. And the top one on that list is cross-country skiing, surprisingly, because you get altitude, all the clothing and all that, and they have some of the highest calcium consumption in the world. Number two is swimming, because you involve the arms and legs. It gives you more benefit. And number three is jogging or running. Number four is cycling. Number five is walking. On down the fitness list, you'll find competitive sports. Among those five, anybody who regards age or sex can exercise enough to get benefit. To prove that, one of our most famous articles was published November 3, 1989, in the Journal of the American Medical Association, entitled Physical Fitness and All-Cause of Mortality. What we did, we looked at 8,000 people we followed for a period of years. in fact we get them to move up one block when the fitness is going from very poor to poor then a six-year increase in longevity and a 58 reduction decimal causes it they moved all the way out here it was only a 65 reduction in a nine-year increase in longevity the best return on your fitness investment is going from very poor to poor that's good news what does it take to do that 30 minutes collective versus saying most states per week will take 90 percent of people at least from this category some going higher with that So don't tell me you don't have time. Have an acronym I use. Why don't exercise? T-E-M-M-P-S. I don't have the time. I don't have the energy. I don't have the motivation. I don't have the money. And it's not fun. T-E-M-M-P. I don't have the place. And F. It's not fun. You got any excuse? I've got many excuses. People have excuses. If the two words I've heard were commonly... I've been married for 65 years, I've been practicing medicine now for 69 years. The two words I've heard over the years most commonly are, if only. If only I'd listened to you, I wouldn't be the situation today. That's why treadmill stress is so important.
- Antoine Lacouturière
Because not only does it quantify your level of fitness, and by the way, that article published, has been referenced over 10,000 times in medical literature. We've got the world interested in what we're doing here. I get we hope get France interested too. And don't think because you drank a lot of wine over there, that's going to protect you. Increase the risk of cirrhosis of the liver. Now we're finding that wine and alcohol is causing cancer. So and then when the new surgeon general wants to put a label on alcohol, this has been proven to cause cancer. And it does. So you got to do number one and number two, number three. Number four, you can't use tobacco in any form. I'm sorry to say that. Cancer is related to tobacco, number one. It's related to obesity, number two. It was related to alcohol, number three. And there are more people that die from cancer related to alcohol than down the highways are killing auto accidents from cancer from alcohol. that's something we got to recognize in america the world so if you're drank i might recommend you completely give up some studies indicate it may improve your hcl cholesterol the good cholesterol but there's not enough evidence there to prove that that i'm not going to start drinking i don't drink at all i never smoked in my life i never touched alcohol i don't do that i think that's one reason i'm alive and still working 50 hours a week i've got 40 hours a week i've dropped from 60 to 40. And by medical school graduating class of 1950, so the other six of us, only 10 of us left. I've been in that category too because I learned something the hard way. When I was in medical school, when I was in pre-med, I was on a track scholarship, University of Oklahoma, and I was sending an athlete to Oklahoma. Well, I got into medical school and I tried to make good grades. And so I ate to keep awake at night. I didn't have time to exercise. I literally didn't. And I gradually kept... Gaining weight and by the time I got in to finish my medical school I'd go up by running away when I was in in high school and college was 168 165 168 but by the time I finished my internship my internship was even worse than then was my college days But in my medical school day, but I gained up to 204 and that's a lot of kilograms. I can assure you But then what happened, I didn't do anything for six years. I was just totally sedentary. And at 29 years of age, inactive for six years, overweight. And I tried to go water skiing again up here at Lake Texoma. And I tried to see a sloth course, which I skied many times before. About halfway through it, and I got hit with chest pain. And I got hit with a fast heart rate. I thought I was having a heart attack. Give me the sight. Give me the sight. They got me to the side. By the time I got over there, the pain had resolved and the heart rate had come back to normal. So I didn't go to the hospital then, but I was still in the Air Force. The next day, I went into School of Space Medicine and took a complete diagnostic workup. The only thing wrong with you, Doc, is you're out of shape. I was hypertension and pre-diabetic. I let myself go to pot, literally and physically. I couldn't have passed the body around the sender, so I guarantee it was the fatness that I had. That shocked me back into reality. I lost the weight within six months from my first marathon a year later. And I ran for 40 years and 38,000 miles before I broke my leg snow skiing. After skiing for 52 years, we have a place in Colorado, I've been there for 40 years. I loved to ski. I loved the downhill skiing. And I tripped, fell down the mountain, and got a tibial fractal fracture in my knee. And those just don't heal well. That's that little bone there on the top of the tibia. And it was fractured into several pieces. and have some pins put in it's operating up in in vail colorado that knocked out my skiing and knocked out my running but did knock out my secondary stationary cycling which i do every day and my walking and so my routine now is i start my day with prayer and bible study i read the bible every day because i have my prayer list i go over i want to be spiritually fit as well as physically fit and i end the day by going to a fantastic fitness center I get on a recumbent bike, and I spend 30 minutes of my monitor heart rate with the recumbent bike. I keep my heart rate about 120 when I'm on the bike. And so I do that, and I watch the news on television. That's where I watch my daily news. And as soon as I get off the bicycle, I spend minutes on a circuit weight training program, working on the upper body primarily. I get the weight training I need with my legs. I don't get the upper body strength, my triceps and biceps, so I work on that. So I do, it takes about 10 minutes. Then I go home and walk my two dogs. And this is one of the highlights of my life, who kisses me more than my wife does. And this is my beautiful Maltese dog. And this is number three Scarlet. We've had three of them. The first one lived about 15 years a day, and she died a natural death. The second was killed in our backyard when a coyote got her. And that was one of the saddest days of my life. But then she's been with us for about four years. She's about five years of age. And she sleeps in bed with Millie's dog, and she has, that's my wife, and she has a Shih Tzu. We call her Sophie. They sleep in bed with us every night. And I had to get up twice last night to go out and take them out. And I'll tell you, it was cool. But I love my dogs. I'll tell people my little Maltese kisses me more than my wife does. But I've been to China many times, 13 times, as I mentioned. The last time was 2019. And I went over there. My host, Mr. William Cooper Wu, one of those wealthy Chinese gentlemen, invited me to go over and we handed out this book that they had plagiarized my aerobics book, the cover of it. But inside there was a picture of me walking with my dog and carrying my Maltese. And so the last time I was in China and then I didn't take you over there, but when I was with President Xi back in 2013. and i heard make the same fearfully me to the health of the chinese children's obesity and so realize they have a problem there and so last summer i was over there we dedicated at vital lake it's a beautiful lake outside of beijing it's the resort area outside of beijing owned by my my partner in china mr william cooper who he calls himself and so we unveiled a marbled statue of me walking with my dog is seven foot in height And in preparation for me going over there this last time, I hope to go back. The Chinese have not, and I need you to say this, they have not interfered with me at all. They know I'm a Christian. They've never suppressed me or told me if I'm doing anything at all. And they had big signs in downtown Beijing and big buildings down there with me walking with my dog. They had that sign on the highway every 400 miles, every 1,200 miles from Beijing to Hong Kong. And then here is a picture. of when they unveiled the marble statue of me walking with my dog. You can see that right there. And that is there to this day. And so I'm trying to help the Chinese improve their health. Last week, we had four people from China here. And Madam Liu is a very wealthy Chinese lady. And they've established six hospitals in China. And they are wellness hospitals, if you can believe that. They're getting way ahead of us because they're designed to have preventive medicine, acute care, and rehabilitation. And they have five of them, and they're celebrating the opening of the sixth one on my birthday, March the 4th. They've invited me to come to China, and I'm having to be careful of that because, you know, Biden says we're not going to be involved in activities in China. Make sure I can work with the State Department and do this. But I'm not planning on going there, but I am going to have a Zoom meeting with them. on the 6th, because they want us to concentrate on being the premier preventive medicine program and put that. And we have a place in Nanjing, been there since 2017. It's called the Cooper Obstetrics Health and Wellness Center in Nanjing, China. And it's still functioning. They have not curtailed us in any form or fashion. And so they want that to be the premier Cooper evaluation center in China, our program in Nanjing. I should be the ambassador to China. because i have such a good relationship with chinese but going on down the list of being cooperized we got to alcohol and i said if you're going to drink don't drink more than drink a day it used to be women can drink a day or seven a week or women men could drink 200 or 14 per week a big british study a large study followed people a period of years they found if men drank two drinks today shortened their lifespan one half a two year so that alcohol can shorten your life alcohol can increase the risk of cancer and can certainly increase the risk of cirrhosis of the liver. There's no question about that. And next on that list is to control stress. I control stress by exercising at the end of the day. My days are very stressful with interviews, with working on the book, and all these various things I have to do. But I'm relaxed by the time I go home, after I get my hour of exercise in before I go home. So I'm combining that. In the book I recommend, too, and I'll do this occasionally myself, Herbert Benson wrote a book entitled Relaxation Response. and all you do is just break away from the activity of the day and just sit back in your chair and just start with your feet and go all the way to your head and try to relax every muscle in your body. Try to do it. It's hard to do that. It's a process to do this. But have a focus word like shalom. Mine is praise the Lord. It's my focus word. You sit back there and you take a deep breath and then you blow it out. You do it slowly and repeat your focus word. And all of a sudden, a lot of this stress just seems to disappear. And so I recommend that in the book because I think it pipes, pretends people, business, whatever it may be, just take a point away. and get back in a restful place where you stretch your head back and just go through this and think of your focus work and you'd be amazed how it controls your strength and in doing that too the other thing you do as far as controlling strength there's no question about dementia being related to lack of sleep you need to get at least seven hours of sleep per night i get that with ease now because i'm totally relaxed when i get home and except the dogs got me up twice last night to take them out of that cold weather i had to put some clothing on and take them out in the backyard. But by the way, it was snowing a little bit here last night. We had some dusting or so. I saw that. I was out there busy and saw it about 4 o'clock in the morning. And the final thing getting cooperized is you need to have an examination. People can't come through here and they just make a $4,000 or $5,000 examination. But we try to get a group of people here that can't afford that. So I get to do a lot of complimentary work here too. And I have a lot of people of color come because we're trying to get a better. evaluation of the American population. They just have a lot of rich people coming through here. But what we tried to do in China is have little mini Cooper clinics around China. That's been held back down because the man who's paid for our program in Nanjing is now in Singapore. And Mr. Wu is in Beijing. He's still involved there. We talked about having, it's almost like having a franchise. of little Cooper clinics around China, but as a minimum, you could have a bicycle or gama to get your level of fitness. You get your body weight, get your body mass index and body roundness index. You get your blood pressure, get tests for diabetes, get your lipid profile. That wouldn't cost more than about $50 to do that. So here is something anybody can do. If I get physicians to do it, but I can't get physicians to do it. That's why one of these major documentaries is going to a physician, try to motivate to start doing it. Another documentary is to try to get in medical school. I was taught nothing in medical school about nutrition, exercise, physiology, but I got a master's in public health. That's where I learned nutrition and exercise physiology. Worked on doctorate exercise physiology. That's where I got my training, not in medical school. 80% of the medical curriculum does not have a thing about nutrition and about exercise. They don't know anything about preventive medicine. So the physicians, I don't know what you're talking about. They're trying to get this American Academy of Lifestyle Medicine. to get them to do something. And that's why you get board certified, just like board certified in internal medicine. You can get board certified in lifestyle medicine now. Encourage your people to do that. I hope they can do this in France and try to get more people. I'm certified with lifestyle medicine. I've been going through that program. I am certified with our own program that we have. So get people to do that. But physicians say, I don't know how to do it. I don't have time to do it. I'm not paid for it. And they're not. And so that's why they can't do it. They won't do it. We've got to change the way that we're covering insurance and covering insurance, I said, with his home care. You couldn't get any coverage at all from that. So we can reduce the cost of health care. I've already told you that. We can improve that. But we can start putting some of this back into home care and help people around the world. They're doing that in Canada. We found that out in this article that I wrote because they've been having fun developing. To go to people, the caregiver, because the caregiver is having more heart attacks and strokes. than the person they're taking care of because they mention whatever it may be. That thing's all fouled up. So again, you have to realize it's your health, it's your responsibility. It's not the government's responsibility, the insurance responsibility. It's what you do for yourself determines how long you live and how well you live, and that's what that chart shows you right there. Do I want to live a long, healthy life to the fullest and condense the time of solitude and self-sufficiency? Yes, I want to do. If I die tomorrow, praise the Lord. I don't want to die tomorrow, but if He calls me home, I'm ready to go. So that's why we're here today. And why there was the family, because when I lost that weight, the blood pressure problem disappeared, the diabetes disappeared. I hadn't planned on being, especially in preventive medicine. When I finished that fantastic internship up in Seattle, Washington, and I was engaged to a girl from Seattle. She actually was from Anchorage, Alaska, and her father was a very wealthy young lady. And he was in the cold storage business. Why do you need a cold storage business in Alaska? That's where they hunt, and that's where they put their meat in. And so it was very wealthy, and I told my wife. Now, 65 years, I wouldn't trade you for a million dollars, but I did. When I didn't marry Diane, it's in the book, I'm not telling you something I shouldn't be telling. But Millie pointed out, the two girls almost before I married Millie have all passed away. I said, Millie, if they'd been married to me, they may not have died. Because I would have encouraged them to practice preventive medicine. And we've shown, why are you thinking that? She'll soon be 90 years of age. And July the 1st will be 90 years of age. He goes from Bill's province recently, but he prays Lord. And I praise every day when we get back to New Orleans. So those are reasons why we're here today. So those are reasons to be Cooperized. And so if I can Cooperize the world with my new book, Getting Healthier as You Grow Older, then the Lord has answered my prayer.
- Dr Kenneth H Cooper
Thank you for the story. It's just beautiful, very inspiring.
- Antoine Lacouturière
Let me give you some of these books too, because this goes to about a million people around the world. And I'll be doing this for one more year, throughout 2025. I told Franklin then, I'm through with it then. But I've got more responses from these articles that I've written. And the next one that we're working on right now is just trying to get the body around this index. And because that gives you so many wonderful things. It gives your visceral fat, it gives your body mass, it gives percent body fat, all these various things in one thing. If you type it in, and that's the simplest way. It's too complicated of a formula to do it. Just type it in. I use Google to do that. It's very simple. Like here's one. This is back in May of 2024. Exercise is not just for kids. And here's another one. You'll find it here. It's usually on page 34. I don't have this marked. But this is 10 Ways to Improve Your Life and Health in 2022. This is taken from one that was, I feel this is one of the best ones that I wrote. This is just out of the book. Spiritual and Physical Fitness School together. That's what I've been trying to preach, body and soul, because you see body and soul. That's where Franklin talks about the soul. I talk about the body. And so I've told the people from the Samaritan's Purse, and that's Franklin Graham, that we finish all of these. there'll be 30 of them and then i'm going to put those into a broken form and then give them to the samaritans first they can solve whatever they want and get i don't get any revenue from writing these articles decision magazine i'm happy to do that for them and before i i let you go until i'm trying to get rid of it but the chinese came with gifts last week And then Dr. Hu, who's one of the foremost cardiologists in China, was with us with this group last week. In fact, the first time I went to China was 1988. And I was on the front page of the Beijing News, my picture of my first visit to China. This is back in 1988. And Dr. Hu was a cardiologist who sponsored my visit. And so he was with the group. And we reminisce on the time that. He was there, and he lived in an apartment house. And they are an agrarian society. They play down professionalism. And so they're treating their medical people and their professionals and all that very poorly in China. They were then, at least. All he had was a bicycle. And he was doing catheterizations of the heart. And while we were there, he had to get up early in the morning and go down several sites of flare to get the anesthesiology, go down and get on his bicycle. to ride the hospital to do the angioplasty, or whatever, the cardiac cath. But it's changed now, thank the good Lord. But he remembered that, and he gave me this. I don't know what to do with all these. My office, I got lots of awards from all over the world, and I'm running out of space. That's why I did not let them renovate this office when they renovated the clinic. I said, Todd, you're not gonna do that, because this is gonna become a museum. this office is. I'm going to display this somewhere. Look at this. Isn't that beautiful? Panda Cubs is what it is. And that's all elevated. That's very expensive. So they're trying their best to get it worked with them. Lord willing, the State Department's not going to object. I'll be looking forward to going back to Chantilly's one more time.
- Dr Kenneth H Cooper
You are an exceptional scientist and my question is how did you find the strength, the ability to pursue your idea for the preventive medicine because today it's okay for the
- Antoine Lacouturière
World but it's going the other way and how to find anybody to help me That's a good statement because I said I spent 13 years in military to if you're in the army to know if you're in the Air Force I met my wife. I was in the army by the way, of course, Oklahoma But got to Dallas didn't have any money and because you don't get rich in the military I have to say about ten thousand dollars. You can't do much with that I need 1.6 million dollars to make this first purchase only 8.6. We have 30 acres here now We purchased whole block as you know with 15 million dollars in expenditures i get this in fact uh back in 1988 i had 9.6 million dollars left the 15 million dollars i had borrowed and the blue bank came in and called my note because they came in all the banks went under back in 1988 88 to 91. i fought the banks for three years trying to save this but almost four times in the last year 2021 i had foreclosure notes limited me on friday afternoon at 5 30. everyone block up the gates It slows me down completely. So that's why God has had his hand on my life. That's why I'm talking about that. So I fought, of course, about $300,000 in legal expenses. Just I'd had bankruptcy attorney on call for three years, that kind of stuff. It was very, very difficult. I almost went back in the Air Force a few times because I had so much criticism or resistance. So I didn't have any money. But then an amazing man who heard me speak, his name was Joe McKinney, was still in the Air Force, and he heard basically they had a place, an organization called Saturn Industries. and i spoke for his group he had a conglomerate i spoke for his group down at lakeway near austin texas and he was so impressed i was talking about aerobics this was earlier the book came out 1968. if you ever decide to leave the air force and come to dallas you need help maybe i can help you i thought with the sale of my books but my books were sold primarily in softback form you don't generate much revenue from that and so i didn't have the 1.6 million dollars so i went to joe and said can you help me he said yes So I had that answered prayer. And so the top three, Joe McKinney, Fred Meyer, and C.A. Rundell, the top three people. And these were top people. And Joe McKinney, all three of them ranked in the top ten when they graduated from Harvard Business School. I didn't have any business training at all. I had to have some business help to help me get through this time. And so Fred Meyer became my confidant. He ranked number one in his class in Harvard Business School. I wouldn't make a financial decision at all. Without Fred Meyer, he encouraged me. And unfortunately, he's passed away. But he was about 92, 93 years of age. But again, it was the help that I had, and it's in the book, I had from the Saturn Industries. It was called Tyler Industries later. It was changed after Tyler, Texas. They had Tyler Pipe, which was one of their subsidiaries. And that's why we named our son Tyler. It was after that group, in honor of them. And that's why my son now is, he's the president. and ceo of the organization he's talking about a lot of the ministry i'm taking over the pr aspect of this i do the interviews through the books uh the writing articles all the time doing something i'm staying very busy doing these things but that's what i enjoy doing so i had to concentrate about oh four or five years ago can i spend my time seeing patients like i was doing the best thing for patients as always see that takes a lot of time of dictation work with the patient debrief them and all that. I still debrief my patients when they're seen by another physician. I don't do the hard work of all the dictation, making sure everything in the form is right. I just go to the results with them, like I did this morning with the patient. So I do that, and I still have the time to cuss out all the things I'm doing. I think that combination has enabled me to get by and not suffer. Because what happened, my medical school said, studied the students, colleagues, they had the same problem. They all gained weight, stopped exercising, and half my medical school class smoked. Back in those days, it was in newspaper magazines, my physician smokes camels. I've got a slide of that. Can't believe that. Because until 1964, they had the Surgeon General Report talking about the harmful effects of tobacco. I graduated in 1956. So my half my class smoked. I never smoked. But again, they didn't have that epiphany, I call it, in my life. They changed my loss of that weight and changed my habits and got rid of the hypertension, got rid of the diabetes. And I thought I was going to be an ophthalmologist and leaving it. because I was in the Pacific Northwest, and I'm marrying Diane. I had to have two years I had to pay in the military because I was deferred from the draft in the military. This was back in the Vietnam days, and I would have gone into the military, and so they deferred me. So I had to pay back two years, and so I decided to go to Fort Sill, Oklahoma. It was close to my home in Oklahoma City. That's where they said I wanted to go to South Korea. I wanted to go to Germany. They sent me nearby, 90 miles from home. because they know my two years up they had to pay me to get back to my home so that's what they did that but that's where i married mary miller she was in special services there that's where that that was an act of god too so many of these acts of god but even how i got this property was an act of god because mrs clary snickle owned this property 22 acres and she just had the 22 we have 30 now we had bought the church property too but the 1.86 makers and i finally got approval from the board to go ahead develop but didn't have the money to do it and i got that from her But first of all, she wasn't going to sell it to me. I was trying to find a place, selling the Air Force, and trying to find a place to sell the Ducks before 1970, by 1969. And so I came upon this place, the beautiful lakes, the ducks, there's geese out there this morning, I noticed on the water, Canada geese. And it was just the idea of what I wanted. And big enough to have a quarter mile track, a half mile, and a full one mile tartan surface track here, a light half mile. This was perfect for me. But the 8.6 acres. And she turned the realtor down twice. and i asked you go back a third time and so i went back and because you turned me down what i'm going to but all i could take was one point at the next six seconds i wanted to take the 22 acres i'll take an escrow on that i'll just just hold that reserve and i won't do it i'm not gonna break it down for anybody quote that was a decision and then i just went back this third time another answer prayer so just a minute is he the one that spoke with the layman's dinner champion institute for hard butt up in colorado springs colorado and he asked me say yes My wife and I had spoken up there for her husband, and that was before I left the Air Force. I'd been invited to speak and go up and give a testimony. And she was sitting in the office and sitting in the auditorium and heard Millie and I give a testimony. And she decided at that time that she was going to help that young couple if she ever could. And so she said, I will do that. You think it wasn't an answer to her? We have a mark right here, a tree in honor of Mrs. Clarice Nichols. And we still have on the... on the chimney out there the initials of their three children i kept that in her request all these things shouldn't have happened that's why i'm so strong in my belief let me tell you an amazing story for me to tell this story without without uh getting emotional because god has had his son on my life that's what the article said and to uh and to the nth degree that has happened many many times got his name alive two experiences of the air force we had an engine failure You're going to make an emergency landing without any problem. And situations like that. I was climbing mountains in Colorado, and I decided to go down a different way than I went up. And I got on the edge of a cliff, and I started to fall over, and I didn't. And I finally realized I was by myself, and we have a place in Colorado for 40 years. I went back the same way that I'd come down because there was a sure drop-off. There was no way to get down. this in the summertime and so i almost fell but just examples like that but the classic was this and pam would have to excuse it because you heard it so many times my son and i had made trips around the world because during those early years the early years i didn't have any time to spend with my son i was so busy fighting all the people trying to run me out of town And four times that final year, they would lock up the gates on Monday, that kind of stuff. And I was fighting for survival. And I literally almost went back to the Air Force. Without a promising career, I had been promoted up to a full colonel. I was going to be a lieutenant colonel. I was going to be a full colonel. That's what we call an 06. I was an 05, 06. And they said, Dr. Kupu, you could be the sergeant general of the Air Force. If you'd stay in, because my first two books were published on the Air Force. I had quite a reputation in the Air Force. That's why I spoke to that group in Falls Church, Virginia. all the Surgeon Generals. I could have been a Surgeon General. So I had to make that decision. Well, I was going to do that, stay in, but I decided not to do that in 1970. And Bill Thornton did stay in, and it took him 70 years to get his first flight into space. That had been a mistake. If I stayed in, I'd become a scientist astronaut. But so I didn't have the time to spend with my son. And so we've taken trips all over the world. We've been to the Antarctic twice. That little penguin right there, that big penguin, came from my second trip to the Arctic. We've been to the Arctic on twice. We've been to Machu Picchu. We've been to Galapagos Islands. We've been lots of places. But the one I remember distinctly was back in 1980, and I remember like it was yesterday. And my son, along with other two fathers and sons, were going to climb Kilimanjaro. The title of my son is a real mountaineer. He's climbed all 54 of the 14,000 feet in Colorado. And he hasn't climbed Mount Whitney yet. He tried to climb Alconacog, got up to 18,000 feet in Alconacog in Argentina. Couldn't get any higher. That's 19,000 feet. But Kilimanjaro is 19,400 feet. I've climbed Mount Rainier twice. That's 14,410 feet. So we got together. We trained in Kenya for about a week running at 10,000 feet. We're running four or five miles a day at 10,000 feet. We try to get prepared for this. 19,600 feet and so that night after 20 we were first of all in getting over from from Kenya to Tanzania first of all they wouldn't let me across because I stamped in my passport from South Africa I've been there several Gary Player is a very good friend of mine and I spoke for the prime minister of South Africa on one occasion so they saw my stamp from something you cannot be in Tanzania where Kilimanjaro is located so what could I do and we had a guide with us And he said, maybe I can help you. Came back and said, what's it going to cost me? He said, $30. I said, I can handle that. So I bribed myself to get across the border into Tanzania to try to take that hike up to Kilimanjaro. But that night we had a briefing at the base of the mountain. And they said, you have to be careful because this is a dangerous mountain. And it's 19,600 feet high. You get cerebral edema. and you get a severe headache. If you don't get off the mountain or get off immediately, you can die. And I said, Todd, as you were getting that briefing, I said, I have second thoughts about this because my requirements in the Air Force as a flight surgeon, I had to take pilots and potential flight surgeon of the Air Force up to 43,000 feet in altitude chamber and show them harmful effects of hypoxia and how to pressure breathe and all that. And so go up to... 43 000 feet and your time of useful conscience only about 40 seconds before you pass out they would have an explosive decompression drop down to 25 000 feet where the time useful conscience is about six minutes and so i take off my mask then at 25 000 feet and just start breathing the ambient air and i was in my writing my name rank and shirley number before long i was doing this i did not realize that put my mask back on i was doing that I couldn't believe that. That was insidious hypoxia. That could happen to you if you're even above 10,000 feet. You start getting hypoxia, you don't even know it. For example, not too long ago, this pilot with some crew on board, with some passengers on board, got into the security zone in front of the Capitol in Washington. They couldn't contact him. They had sent up an F-16, got by trying to get a hold of him. He was slumped over the control. and he was flying at about 20,000 feet, slumped over the controls. They couldn't get him. He flew into the ground and was killed. Classic example of suffering from severe hypoxia. Tyler, I'm going to bomb out. I'm not going to go on this trip. I made the decision by myself. So the next morning they left. I did go to, they went to the south side of the mountain. It took them two days to climb over the mountain, circumnavigate. the top and come back down and he said dad you ought to be at 18 000 feet winds blowing about 30 miles an hour and it's about 15 degrees and you got diarrhea in a mountain tip he also said that uh we had peter hillary the son of sir edmund hillary was the one who went and climbed me and when he tried to a mountain we tried to climb there's another event but had people like that they said why don't you climb mount evers and they told me you have to realize that it takes about 90 days the time you get down and get back because you have to train to go to altitude that's about a hundred thousand dollars to do that you have to understand that the death rate is 25 percent above 25 000 feet and mount everest is 29 000 feet as you know and so i thought it might handle number one and number two i can't hold number three but again go back to the story that next morning i watched the north side of the mount with me coming back in about two days three days and i found somebody they would take me up the 14 000 foot level a good shipment i could do that we raced up and back it's going to take us about six hours he said had a day to spare there we made it an hour and a half it was about three miles up and back they talked about the beautiful trip up to kilimanjaro and it was a muddy path my shoes were somebody i threw them away when i got back and that armed guards every thousand meters protected from the bandits i'm going up and down the mountain there it wasn't what they talked about a beautiful trip up malik kill me charlotte but i found somebody to take me back And he had a... He had a Volksbus. He speaks a little English. When he found out I was from Dallas, I thought he was a fan of the Dallas TV program. I told him Linda Gray was my patient, and he was impressed. He was very little interest, but he was impressed. I had taken care of Linda Gray from Dallas. Got back to the border. We got close to the border, and I was sweating blood by that time. I guarantee you, I don't have anybody to help me now, and I don't know what's going to happen. I was really worried sick and I was standing in line there. My blood pressure was sky high and my heart rate was sky high, I'm sure. And I was really worried sick. I remember this like it was yesterday. A beautiful white woman came up beside me and said, Dr. Cooper, I've been waiting for you. How did she know that? I arranged everything myself to get back. How did she know that? Give me your passport. So she took me my passport and walked up with me, opened up in front of the agent. and said, stamp it, the term for it, she said, give it back to me, give it back to me. And so I turned to thank that lady. No one was there. That's a true story. Hard to believe. God has had his hand on my life. Final thing, we were successful because we established a research institute before... I came to Dallas. Six months before I came to Dallas. The first two books were in the airport, based on average population of 28 years of age. The majority of people that bought the first book were over 40 years of age. That's where I wrote the second book in the Air Force, the new aerobics. But then I spent a lot of money over the years in trying to keep the research unit alive because we collect 3,000 bits of data on all patients coming in. It goes into our data repository, the largest in the world. that we have 150 000 patient database over 300 000 micro performance treadmill stress test and over 2.2 million per year as a follow-up on those patients over 700 articles published in peer-reviewed journals so it's safe to say we've bridged the gap from fadism to scientific legitimacy you exercise the price of medicine no one can argue with those statistics now so there's fantastic irrepressible i was in fear of losing it because who's going to cover that when I pass on. I've been the major fundraiser. I've been the major contributor to the Research Institute. My son, bless his heart, does not have the interest in research. We've already bridged that gap, he feels. No, there's so much more, Tyler, that we can get from data that we publish in the present time. And so, Ted Mitchell, who worked for me for 17 years, was pulled to Texas Tech to become the dean of the medical school. He was so successful that he moved up, became the president, and now he's the chancellor of Texas Tech. And we just opened up on the 4th of November. They've now changed the name of the Cooper Institute to the Kenneth H. Cooper Institute. There, and this is Ted Mitchell and his wife, their director of their medical services, and then me. You can take that picture. and that is now located in downtown Dallas across the street from Southwestern Medical School, where they hated my guts from day one. And they took our data and published articles and never paid a penny for that. I said, that's going to happen, and Ted made sure of that. But now they're a school of public health, and they have the medical school at Texas State. They have 42,000 students in the university out there. They have satellites in medical school in Odessa, in El Paso. and Abilene and Amarillo. They've got all of West Texas now. Ted Mitchell, who's the chairman of the board of our Research Institute, and so he made possible for us to have that move on the 4th of November. And now all the funding, in fact, my monthly $1,000 a month, is going to Texas Tech to help support them with that endeavor. So we're home free. So I want to get the book out, and then I'm ready to go. Florida calls me home, but I'm planning on leaving. and what my wife would do with me. She's extremely dependent upon me. But again, if the Lord calls me home, I'm ready to go. So it's been a wonderful experience. You probably heard more than a lot of what you wanted to hear. I wanted to share those stories with you.
- Dr Kenneth H Cooper
Thank you for all that. If you can share with us one advice for health practitioners, because we understand a lot of things about your story, about your study, your recommendation for patients and if you can give and share advice for practitioners.
- Antoine Lacouturière
You know, being an osteopath, we're closely associated with the Parker Osteopathic School here in Dallas. You know that? You know Parker Osteopathic School here in Dallas? It's a very famous school. Yeah, you know about it. Yeah, and so we're doing the FitNet. We're doing the Cooper test there with the students going through the osteopathic school. So I'd say that osteopaths in general should start embracing this concept of using treadmill stress testing. Well, let's keep in mind, too, it's not only getting the level of fitness that correlates so well with all these different diseases, but it's picking up heart disease is being missed by the routine EKG. Because we have some 13 to 14 percent of the people come to the clinic think they're perfectly healthy, and we find abnormal stress tests on them. And we find that only 5 percent of the people coming through knew they had heart disease. We had about 10 percent of the people have heart disease diagnosed by the tremor stress, and they had no symptom. Because the most common first symptoms of severe heart disease is sudden death. People don't realize until it's too late. And you'll find in the book and the documentaries, George W. Bush said coming to the Krippler Clinic saved his life. Because I've been my patient all these years. And he was the most highly conditioned president. When he was president for the eight years, he still cycled all the time. He cycles now. But after he left, I was eight years as a president. came back and the first stress test he had had was abnormal here. All the stress tests, even at Bethesda Naval Hospital, were normal. But the one here was abnormal. Immediately got him over to the hospital and did an angioplasty and found that he had 90% obstruction of the widowmaker, the LAD. Immediately, that was nine years ago. Immediately had an angioplasty that saved his life. And now his stress test is normal. So if he hadn't come to the clinic, he'd have been dead because six weeks later, he was scheduled to have a six-kilometer bicycle ride. That's an act of God. Just like Trump says in the newspaper this morning that God saved my life. That's true. God has set his hand on Trump's life. God has set his hand on my life. I hope God has set his hand on your life. Because what about the future? Do you know about the future? Do you feel comfortable? I feel comfortable about the future. Don't worry about that at all. My wife, I see a million of your faith in the strongest mind because she's worried about dying. with all the problems she had where she hit her head and had this all these various things i've mentioned another subdural hematoma and all that kind of stuff we got through that all right but she even had to have a hernia orphe it's the 15th of october and she got in the hospital we didn't spend the night in the hospital so she did that so she said she's afraid she's going to die she's always afraid she's going to die from an anesthesia or something whatever it be and she said she's afraid you're going to die and She's going to die, and her son will never forget her because he's the one that insisted that she have that hernia repair because it was going to be incarcerated. She had a loop of intestine and the appendix and a hernia, and that can get up there and get incarcerated and twisted. You can die. And she had to have that taken care of. Praise the Lord. She survived that. Didn't even spend a night in the hospital. She said, the second time I was afraid I'd die, I wouldn't know the results of the election. That's really all the way. Yeah, that was fascinating. Thank you so much for your time. You're most welcome. It's a pleasure to meet you.
- Dr Kenneth H Cooper
It's a beautiful title.
- Antoine Lacouturière
Hope you can embrace some of these concepts and get French Cooper eyes, more than just oxygen a la carte.
- Dr Kenneth H Cooper
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